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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
Topic Started: Jun 14 2012, 05:36 PM (77,617 Views)
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Jun 19 2012, 08:51 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 08:46 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 04:48 PM

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It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering.
Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term
I thought after she lost the baby they told her she could not get pregnant again, that it was impossible. :shrug: But I don't quite remember.
She was told years ago that her shooting meant she'd never have kids. Dr Baker told her even if she got pregnant the same thing would happen. Her uterus is scarred and can't expand the way it should. The reason it's rediculous she's pregnant is because it's totally irresponsible of her to get that way in the first place when multiple doctors have told her she can't carry to viability.
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Jun 19 2012, 06:47 PM
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I don't think Nicole will have her baby. I think she will lose it and Brady having lost Madison will help her through it or Eric will be back just in time to help her heal.

The fact that they are bringing Eric back, when they could just have reunited Bricole :wub: , tells me that they want to give Nicole a fresh start. And that to me spells no EJole baby.

I can see them giving Eric and Nicole a fertility SL down the road.
Eric being brought back is probably about Sami, not Nicole. :shame:
He is her twin brother so it would not surprise me if the show focuses on that relationship to a degree, at least in the beginning. However, I think he'll be focused on Nicole for the most part if Ari testing with possible candidates is any indication; I remember the guy who plays Cameron saying he did the same with KM too.
I hope you're right. Sami hates Nicole so I can see her inserting herself somehow in this. As a good sister should to protect her brother. However Sami usually has ulterior motives. This will be fun and I don't really mean it in a sarcastic way :D
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Jun 19 2012, 11:54 AM
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Jun 19 2012, 11:50 AM
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Jun 19 2012, 11:39 AM
MarDar should have been fired sooner. This show is an utter disaster. :shame: If this crappy writing is NBC's doing then be prepared to say goodbye to Days sooner then 2013.
I wonder if Nicole will miscarry because she had sex with Dan...
Or either that the baby will turn out orange. :puke:
I'm glad I don't subscribe to HD programming because honestly Dan looks the same color as every other causcasion on the show on my t.v.
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

supercool74
Jun 19 2012, 08:50 PM
Another thing about the Nicole and Daniel debacle. Not only do I not believe that Nicole would risk her pregnancy this way, but for Daniel to have sex with her after he himself told her that shouldn't be under any stress. That any stress could harm the pregnancy. So he doesn't think this might stress her just a little? She's pregnant with EJ's baby and even though she's pissed at him she still loves him (or so I thought). I guess Daniel is not thinking about any ramifications this may have on her afterwards. Not counting the actual sex, I would think this may cause some stress in and of itself. But then Daniel is an idiot, so what am I saying?


How is having sex stressful? It's better than her lies for the past months. surely that was not good for the baby.

I am just glad they are removing her from E.J.'s orbit. Nicole was at her best with Brady and against Victor. Now with Eric back, she has 2 guys to choose from, who loved her and would have done anything for her. That is not E.J.
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Jun 19 2012, 08:55 PM
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Also, keep in mind that MarDar might have been canned much earlier than when the actual announcement was made to the public. It's also possible that Tomlin was already sketching out things ("plotting") prior to that -- in unofficial consultations with Bruce Evans, Sr VP at NBC.

I'm not disagreeing that we're still seeing MarDar's stuff and will continue to do so for a while. Just pointing out that official dates and actual dates don't always line up. It's highly unlikely that this regime change happened overnight.

I agree but I don't think that they rewrote a certain number of epis the way mardar did. We heard of inserted/rewritten to fit Justin and Adrienne somewhere in there, we've seen the cut Ian walking stick spoiler and I suspect others. I have reason to believe that was tomsells edits. We know that what we are seeing now is mardar's work even if they got canned even before we heard. I think that by mid July we should see a more clear direction and that IMHO is when we can credit tomsells more. However I still don't get why it's do inconceivable to think that maybe when tomsell came they ended all storylines and shifted gears. It's what normally happens in a writing change, look at what happened when Tomlin/dena got canned and mardar took over. That is exactly what occured.
When MarDar came on board, I think they were subject to the whims of a number of people, each of whom wanted to impose their story ideas, right up until the time they were let go. The BTS infighting for control of the show absolutely affected the writing.

The difference now, I believe, is that NBC has taken firm control, and will make the story line decisions. Tomlin does not have autonomy, IMO. Whether that is good or bad for the show remains to be seen.
We're not hearing much about Sony, and I think that might be where the conflict is coming in.
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
My question exactly. I have heard them say that stress is not good for the baby, but I have not heard anyone say that sex is not good for the baby.
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Jun 19 2012, 09:24 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
My question exactly. I have heard them say that stress is not good for the baby, but I have not heard anyone say that sex is not good for the baby.
Yeah I thought Nicole made that up after she miscarried so Ej wouldn't figure out she lost her baby. Did any of the doctors ever tell her that she wasn't allowed to have sex while pregnant? I don't remember that.
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I love the spoilers. Everything sounds interesting to me. I'm not invested in Ejole, and I'm not crazy about Nicole (I apologize for saying this, as it is very obvious to me that they have a lot of supporters here), and personally I think that Nicole is being written in character at the moment. JMO.
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Sounds like it's at the same place, but after the service.

Does anyone else think it's weird that they're holding the service at Chez Rouge?
No you are not the only one, I find the whole funeral setting unbelievable.

I don't know why they could'nt have it at the church.
Seriously...I mean, if you're going to pull out the Chez Rouge set why not the church? Unless it is written that Lexie wanted her service to be a happy event/party? But I don't have that much faith in the writing. More likely is they wanted the CR set for Nicole and Dan's upcoming date. *puke*
My guess is since Ejami just have to dance, Abe and Celeste would not have appreciated them doing so in a church.
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
My question exactly. I have heard them say that stress is not good for the baby, but I have not heard anyone say that sex is not good for the baby.
Yeah I thought Nicole made that up after she miscarried so Ej wouldn't figure out she lost her baby. Did any of the doctors ever tell her that she wasn't allowed to have sex while pregnant? I don't remember that.
I don't know that anyone on the show specifically told her that having sex would be bad for the baby. I just know that in some instances, in some high risk pregnancies, sex can be harmful. Considering hers is probably about as high risk as it can get, considering she was told she can not carry a baby to term...that she would not take any chances. But the writers are going to have her do whatever it is they want her to do. It just doesn't make sense to me, but it is a soap opera.
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Well, having her miscarry was also been there done that ;)
It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering.
Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term
No, Nicole's Fallopian tubes were damaged. It was trouble conceiving. The whole story got retconned though and not only was she able to conceive, she suddenly wanted to be a mother. :eyeroll:
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will may not be chlid but on everything we saw screen will should not confidence to tell ej stuff like he will on today show where he was when stefano died he look like ej little bitch with stuff like that


and show dismiss about lucas being very on will life just add pile to rest of the shit
Why shouldn't he have the confidence to tell EJ? EJ's his boss, gave him a job, home, car, treated him like an adult. The Will
before EJ gave him a job was a disaster walking.

It's not Will's fault or EJ's that Lucas has nothing to do with Will. Will himself pointed out to Lucas when he returned
that EJ was there for him when Lucas wasn't.
Will wasn't a disaster walking until Ej screwed up his life, made his mother divorce his father whom she loved and he blackmailed her into a marriage to save the Dimeras from killing off their family. Will's impulsive actions were the direct result of what Ej did to his family. If you can go back to the ONE reason why Will should not be trusting of Ej it's right there.....

The writing is pushing an agenda to showcase Ej and Will as having this fatherly bond that does NOT exist, while downplaying any bond that Will had/has with Lucas. They were always very close and sure CM has said that he and BD are intentionally playing it colder since Will blames Lucas moving to HK for 2 years as part of it. But notice that there has been virtually no mention by Will of how much he appreciates what his dad did for him...sure a basic 2 word "Thank you" and that was it...while Will was shown torn up about his betrayal of EJ. If there is ONE thing that Will should realize is that his father went to JAIL to save him from it, got beaten up and almost died and came back to the most horrible of circumstances. Lucas was willing to sacrifice not seeing his daughter for a decade and being away from him for a decade in order for Will to be kept from prison. He lost the love of his life, and a chance at a happy family, as a result of all the decisions that were made to keep Will from going to prison....so to showcase this contrived BS relationship with Ej over what appreciation he should have for his own father is plain stupid, IMHO
Well then thank god for at least one thing from MarDar having EJ bully him or whatever, because Will is the only interesting character in his age set, and gets some decent writing. Bully on, because I couldn't go back to Will hanging out with the Scooby gang at the diner. I do think Will can fight his own battles. He inserted himself into his situation, and wanted to run with the big dogs, so be it. I watch all his scenes, he's never boring.
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Jun 19 2012, 05:17 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 05:07 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 12:18 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
they made a big deal out of it before
I thought the no sex thing kicked in after the miscarriage when she had fake baby belly..
Weren't they going away for Romantic weekend in a cabin just before the miscarriage.
That's the way I remember it too. It was all a scam Nicole cooked up to hide the rubber belly.

She did use that scam to hide the rubber baby belly, but I'm referencing a scene before she miscarried. She and EJ came home from the hospital. They were kissing in the foyer and I swear she told him that she got the 'okay' to have sex. I want to say they went up and had sex. Then shortly after is when EJ wanted to take her away for the weekend to that cabin. He got called away on business. She went anyways. He was supposed to meet her there. She started to miscarry and called Brady.

I remember it because at the time I recall wondering if they would attribute her miscarriage to the EJole sex in any way. I hoped they wouldn't because that would be awful.

Aw, hell, I'm going to have to try and dig up this scene, aren't I?
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Jun 19 2012, 12:54 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
Because sex has a tendency to shake things loose (semen has oxytocin which is the hormone that induces labor). Nicole not only has a history of miscarriage (I think the show retconned it to where her baby was stillborn which increases the risk for the next pregnancy) but her insides are mangled too. Actually, I'm pretty sure a good doctor would put her on bed rest for the remainder of her pregnancy.


Nicole's mantra of "the only thing I want in life is to be a mother" is full of crap. I'm not sure what Dan's story is, I guess he has no self control. I really hope that Nicole miscarries after sex because it might be interesting to see Dan's unethical behavior as a physician come to a head.

I'm really hoping that Ej finds out that Nicole sleeps with Dan so that there is no question in his mind that this woman is beneath him.

eta: oops not oxytocin but it has prostaglandins




Why would her sleeping with Dan make her beneath EJ? Is he looking for a virgin? Too late in Salem I'm afraid. And apparently nothing is beneath him if he can sleep with a woman who shot him in the head and mocked his romance/lovemaking skills in front of Rafe and her papa.
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Jun 19 2012, 09:36 PM
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It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering.
Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term
No, Nicole's Fallopian tubes were damaged. It was trouble conceiving. The whole story got retconned though and not only was she able to conceive, she suddenly wanted to be a mother. :eyeroll:
She was shot in the lower abdomen through her girl parts. They were stitched back up and are badly scarred. They wouldn't stretch properly allowing the baby to grow large enough to survive in the outside world. Sex would be off limits. Anything other than lying in bed would be off limits if she wanted to try to carry until viability.
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Why shouldn't he have the confidence to tell EJ? EJ's his boss, gave him a job, home, car, treated him like an adult. The Will
before EJ gave him a job was a disaster walking.

It's not Will's fault or EJ's that Lucas has nothing to do with Will. Will himself pointed out to Lucas when he returned
that EJ was there for him when Lucas wasn't.
Will wasn't a disaster walking until Ej screwed up his life, made his mother divorce his father whom she loved and he blackmailed her into a marriage to save the Dimeras from killing off their family. Will's impulsive actions were the direct result of what Ej did to his family. If you can go back to the ONE reason why Will should not be trusting of Ej it's right there.....

The writing is pushing an agenda to showcase Ej and Will as having this fatherly bond that does NOT exist, while downplaying any bond that Will had/has with Lucas. They were always very close and sure CM has said that he and BD are intentionally playing it colder since Will blames Lucas moving to HK for 2 years as part of it. But notice that there has been virtually no mention by Will of how much he appreciates what his dad did for him...sure a basic 2 word "Thank you" and that was it...while Will was shown torn up about his betrayal of EJ. If there is ONE thing that Will should realize is that his father went to JAIL to save him from it, got beaten up and almost died and came back to the most horrible of circumstances. Lucas was willing to sacrifice not seeing his daughter for a decade and being away from him for a decade in order for Will to be kept from prison. He lost the love of his life, and a chance at a happy family, as a result of all the decisions that were made to keep Will from going to prison....so to showcase this contrived BS relationship with Ej over what appreciation he should have for his own father is plain stupid, IMHO
Well then thank god for at least one thing from MarDar having EJ bully him or whatever, because Will is the only interesting character in his age set, and gets some decent writing. Bully on, because I couldn't go back to Will hanging out with the Scooby gang at the diner. I do think Will can fight his own battles. He inserted himself into his situation, and wanted to run with the big dogs, so be it. I watch all his scenes, he's never boring.
Exactly. It's not like Will is coming into this circle as a 'normal' innocent little teenager. He shot EJ in the back. It's gonna take alot for me to see Will as EJ's 'victim' because of this little fact. EJ could have sent his ass to jail, but didn't. Add to that the whole reason EJ blackmailed him in the first place is because Will tried to blackmail EJ.

Someone obviously needs to school this kid and knock him down a peg or two. I happen to love the dynamic in the EJ and Will scenes anyways, so works for me.

His lack of scenes/dialogue, etc with Lucas I see as a separate issue, especially since the lack of Lucas scenes are not just specific to Will. They are currently not writing for BD/Lucas very much at all, with or without Will.
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I like that Will is getting meatier storylines and is not just hanging around with the teen crowd too. I am happy to see how his dynamic with EJ evolves -- I want to see a quick-thinking, no-shit-taking, scheming and more adventurous side of Will's character develop. I just don't like the growing pains I am seeing right now. I skip over a lot of his scenes b/c they make me uncomfortable. His saying things like "Because you told me to stay" when EJ asks why he is still at the DiMansion. A lot of times I can't believe how whimper-y (just made up that word) he is. I don't like it so I don't watch it. But I am being understanding he needs time to season, and am patient for the day Will shows some balls and gets his hands dirty. That is why I am excited for this week's spoilers.

I don't not like the Ejill storyline totally, because I DO want to see an edgier, more interesting Will. I just don't like certain aspects of it, such as this being any excuse to give EJ and Sami any reason to be involved with each other (more than they need to be as co-parents, that is), taking time away from Will sharing scenes with Lucas (disagree with me, but that's what I think is happening), or to see Will acting like a whipping boy at the moment. When he takes a firmer stance and uses his brain to turn the tables on EJ, I will be happy. So if EJill is the platform from which such a storyline will take off, then color me satisfied.
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Nicole and Daniel = :puke:

EJ and Sami = :puke:

Lexie... :'(
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It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering.
Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term
No, Nicole's Fallopian tubes were damaged. It was trouble conceiving. The whole story got retconned though and not only was she able to conceive, she suddenly wanted to be a mother. :eyeroll:
See, that's what I thought. She was never supposed to be able to get pregnant, which is a whole different thing from a pregnancy where they tell you to avoid sex so you don't go into pre-term labor. I thought the whole "high risk, no sex, afraid she might lose the baby" was a bunch of shit Nicole made up to explain why she couldn't have sex with EJ.

Basically, once the second "miracle" happened, Nicole shouldn't be any higher risk than any other pregnant woman, even if she's had a miscarriage before.
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Jun 19 2012, 11:16 AM
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Sounds like the stories are turning the corner, and we're beginning to see NBC's influence

I don't understand why you would think that. This should be the last of the last of the stuff that was fully MarDar. It's right before a sweeps period so just like everything MarDar did its transitioning to something different.
I think NBC's influence started right after the Christmas shows.
Me too. Everyone got a personality transplant overnight. Something big happened.
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