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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
Topic Started: Jun 14 2012, 05:36 PM (77,616 Views)
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Jun 19 2012, 07:36 PM
just so long as he keeps Bryan Dattilo. I want to see him, with or with out Sami. I'd stilll like to see Autumn Fall, Miss October...:-)
That's what worries me.

Tomlin fired Bryan.

He could do it again.

This stuff might not be the best TV experience but at least Bryan is still on the show. It might not be that way for long.
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Jun 19 2012, 09:49 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 08:44 PM

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Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term
No, Nicole's Fallopian tubes were damaged. It was trouble conceiving. The whole story got retconned though and not only was she able to conceive, she suddenly wanted to be a mother. :eyeroll:
See, that's what I thought. She was never supposed to be able to get pregnant, which is a whole different thing from a pregnancy where they tell you to avoid sex so you don't go into pre-term labor. I thought the whole "high risk, no sex, afraid she might lose the baby" was a bunch of shit Nicole made up to explain why she couldn't have sex with EJ.

Basically, once the second "miracle" happened, Nicole shouldn't be any higher risk than any other pregnant woman, even if she's had a miscarriage before.
Conception for Nicole has always been an issue, hence all the MIRACLE! talk w/ Ejole baby number 1 and 2.
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Will wasn't a disaster walking until Ej screwed up his life, made his mother divorce his father whom she loved and he blackmailed her into a marriage to save the Dimeras from killing off their family. Will's impulsive actions were the direct result of what Ej did to his family. If you can go back to the ONE reason why Will should not be trusting of Ej it's right there.....

The writing is pushing an agenda to showcase Ej and Will as having this fatherly bond that does NOT exist, while downplaying any bond that Will had/has with Lucas. They were always very close and sure CM has said that he and BD are intentionally playing it colder since Will blames Lucas moving to HK for 2 years as part of it. But notice that there has been virtually no mention by Will of how much he appreciates what his dad did for him...sure a basic 2 word "Thank you" and that was it...while Will was shown torn up about his betrayal of EJ. If there is ONE thing that Will should realize is that his father went to JAIL to save him from it, got beaten up and almost died and came back to the most horrible of circumstances. Lucas was willing to sacrifice not seeing his daughter for a decade and being away from him for a decade in order for Will to be kept from prison. He lost the love of his life, and a chance at a happy family, as a result of all the decisions that were made to keep Will from going to prison....so to showcase this contrived BS relationship with Ej over what appreciation he should have for his own father is plain stupid, IMHO
Well then thank god for at least one thing from MarDar having EJ bully him or whatever, because Will is the only interesting character in his age set, and gets some decent writing. Bully on, because I couldn't go back to Will hanging out with the Scooby gang at the diner. I do think Will can fight his own battles. He inserted himself into his situation, and wanted to run with the big dogs, so be it. I watch all his scenes, he's never boring.
Exactly. It's not like Will is coming into this circle as a 'normal' innocent little teenager. He shot EJ in the back. It's gonna take alot for me to see Will as EJ's 'victim' because of this little fact. EJ could have sent his ass to jail, but didn't. Add to that the whole reason EJ blackmailed him in the first place is because Will tried to blackmail EJ.

Someone obviously needs to school this kid and knock him down a peg or two. I happen to love the dynamic in the EJ and Will scenes anyways, so works for me.

His lack of scenes/dialogue, etc with Lucas I see as a separate issue, especially since the lack of Lucas scenes are not just specific to Will. They are currently not writing for BD/Lucas very much at all, with or without Will.
I don't particularly care for Will, but I just find their whole story frustrating because so many things are being ignored. It's not like WIll shot him for kicks and giggles. As a matter of fact, Will had the balls to actually shoot EJ whereas EJ merely threatened him...when he was still a child. I have a hard time seeing WIll as a pupil of EJ's when they're really on about the same level. I kind of find it laughable that EJ thinks he can teach him anything when IMO it seems like Will has had a tad bit more success at getting his way. And they both just like to throw tantrums a lot. The master/pupil thing just falls flat because Will doesn't seem to really need EJ's help.
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I thought the no sex thing kicked in after the miscarriage when she had fake baby belly..
Weren't they going away for Romantic weekend in a cabin just before the miscarriage.
That's the way I remember it too. It was all a scam Nicole cooked up to hide the rubber belly.

She did use that scam to hide the rubber baby belly, but I'm referencing a scene before she miscarried. She and EJ came home from the hospital. They were kissing in the foyer and I swear she told him that she got the 'okay' to have sex. I want to say they went up and had sex. Then shortly after is when EJ wanted to take her away for the weekend to that cabin. He got called away on business. She went anyways. He was supposed to meet her there. She started to miscarry and called Brady.

I remember it because at the time I recall wondering if they would attribute her miscarriage to the EJole sex in any way. I hoped they wouldn't because that would be awful.

Aw, hell, I'm going to have to try and dig up this scene, aren't I?
Well, if you're not busy... ;) I do remember them having sex just before EJ left, but not the conversation about getting the green light surrounding it (not that it didn't happen)
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I think this show is bad no matter who is at the helm. Tomlin isn't going to fix it; he's no better than MarDar. He's worse, in fact.

It's going to come down to what you want to see.

I think I enjoyed more stuff since MarDar took over than I did in all the time Tomlin wrote.

After all, he violated us with the garbage that was Safe. And of course, there was the sanctimonious piece of shit that is called Rafe. I still want to know who Gering is blowing over at the studios 'cause I want to go there and do the same thing so they see things my way. ;)

Not to mention - Tomlin is the shitbag who fired Bryan. I won't forgive him for that.

I liked MarDar 'cause they split Safe and started writing Sami the way I liked her. I'll take them any day over Tomlin no matter how bad everything else is. I might not be sorry to see them go now but I will be. Very soon.
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
Because sex has a tendency to shake things loose (semen has oxytocin which is the hormone that induces labor). Nicole not only has a history of miscarriage (I think the show retconned it to where her baby was stillborn which increases the risk for the next pregnancy) but her insides are mangled too. Actually, I'm pretty sure a good doctor would put her on bed rest for the remainder of her pregnancy.


Nicole's mantra of "the only thing I want in life is to be a mother" is full of crap. I'm not sure what Dan's story is, I guess he has no self control. I really hope that Nicole miscarries after sex because it might be interesting to see Dan's unethical behavior as a physician come to a head.

I'm really hoping that Ej finds out that Nicole sleeps with Dan so that there is no question in his mind that this woman is beneath him.

eta: oops not oxytocin but it has prostaglandins




Why would her sleeping with Dan make her beneath EJ? Is he looking for a virgin? Too late in Salem I'm afraid. And apparently nothing is beneath him if he can sleep with a woman who shot him in the head and mocked his romance/lovemaking skills in front of Rafe and her papa.
Nicole has always been white trash and beneath Ej. At least now if EJ finds out that she slept with Dan, he would see her for what she truly is. It's so beyond GROSS to sleep with another man while pregnant. It shows that she's too horny and devious that she would risk EJ's child's viability and risk getting an STD (I will be shocked if there is a condom involved). I don't think there are too many men out there thinking that would be understandable.
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Jun 19 2012, 09:45 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 09:36 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 03:56 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 03:46 PM

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Will wasn't a disaster walking until Ej screwed up his life, made his mother divorce his father whom she loved and he blackmailed her into a marriage to save the Dimeras from killing off their family. Will's impulsive actions were the direct result of what Ej did to his family. If you can go back to the ONE reason why Will should not be trusting of Ej it's right there.....

The writing is pushing an agenda to showcase Ej and Will as having this fatherly bond that does NOT exist, while downplaying any bond that Will had/has with Lucas. They were always very close and sure CM has said that he and BD are intentionally playing it colder since Will blames Lucas moving to HK for 2 years as part of it. But notice that there has been virtually no mention by Will of how much he appreciates what his dad did for him...sure a basic 2 word "Thank you" and that was it...while Will was shown torn up about his betrayal of EJ. If there is ONE thing that Will should realize is that his father went to JAIL to save him from it, got beaten up and almost died and came back to the most horrible of circumstances. Lucas was willing to sacrifice not seeing his daughter for a decade and being away from him for a decade in order for Will to be kept from prison. He lost the love of his life, and a chance at a happy family, as a result of all the decisions that were made to keep Will from going to prison....so to showcase this contrived BS relationship with Ej over what appreciation he should have for his own father is plain stupid, IMHO
Well then thank god for at least one thing from MarDar having EJ bully him or whatever, because Will is the only interesting character in his age set, and gets some decent writing. Bully on, because I couldn't go back to Will hanging out with the Scooby gang at the diner. I do think Will can fight his own battles. He inserted himself into his situation, and wanted to run with the big dogs, so be it. I watch all his scenes, he's never boring.
Exactly. It's not like Will is coming into this circle as a 'normal' innocent little teenager. He shot EJ in the back. It's gonna take alot for me to see Will as EJ's 'victim' because of this little fact. EJ could have sent his ass to jail, but didn't. Add to that the whole reason EJ blackmailed him in the first place is because Will tried to blackmail EJ.

Someone obviously needs to school this kid and knock him down a peg or two. I happen to love the dynamic in the EJ and Will scenes anyways, so works for me.

His lack of scenes/dialogue, etc with Lucas I see as a separate issue, especially since the lack of Lucas scenes are not just specific to Will. They are currently not writing for BD/Lucas very much at all, with or without Will.
I can't totally disagree with this, as Will did want to try his hand at the blackmail game, and EJ is teaching him what happens when he does that, in a sense. He starts something with a "DiMera," he is going to face the consequences.

It's other aspects that make me think of EJ as a bully. His manhandling of Will, someone younger and smaller. His hitting him in the face a few times with a folder. And, also, as to why he didn't send Will's ass to jail years ago -- again, this whole story was retconned, so believe what you like -- but from what EJ said, he did this because he knew he could use this information to his advantage later on. His measures it when he gets information, he told Will, and knew he could keep this gem in his pocket for later use. Some might argue that future blackmail is nothing versus sending Will to jail. I think allowing Will's father to go to jail, lull him into a false sense that he was cleared, and then coming back at some future point to use this information against him or his family in some way is much more villainous. Maximize possible pain inflicted. But, from EJ, I wouldn't expect anything else -- quite a good villain-y move on his part, actually.

So I don't think of Will as EJ's victim per se, but I do see EJ as a bully, continuing to want to torment a younger person who got in over his head. Seems like EJ should have bigger fish to fry, but whatever.

But let Will learn his lesson. If all this is schools Will so that he becomes stronger, smarter, schemier, and uses this knowledge to give back in kind, manipulate EJ successfully at some later point, then I am all for it. I just don't like seeing Will so much under EJ's thumb at the moment (which I think he is). Hope that changes soonish.

As for Lucas not having more storylines, that is absolutely true and not all to do with Will. But it is one more opportunity for him to have scenes and dialogue he's now not getting, or a role that is being limited for him. And so as a Lucas fan who wants to see his return amount to something significant, that is bothersome to me. But who knows. Maybe EJill will occasion more scenes and storyline opportunities for him. ??
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No, Nicole's Fallopian tubes were damaged. It was trouble conceiving. The whole story got retconned though and not only was she able to conceive, she suddenly wanted to be a mother. :eyeroll:
See, that's what I thought. She was never supposed to be able to get pregnant, which is a whole different thing from a pregnancy where they tell you to avoid sex so you don't go into pre-term labor. I thought the whole "high risk, no sex, afraid she might lose the baby" was a bunch of shit Nicole made up to explain why she couldn't have sex with EJ.

Basically, once the second "miracle" happened, Nicole shouldn't be any higher risk than any other pregnant woman, even if she's had a miscarriage before.
Conception for Nicole has always been an issue, hence all the MIRACLE! talk w/ Ejole baby number 1 and 2.
Remember, EJ has super swimmers. :ermm:
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See, that's what I thought. She was never supposed to be able to get pregnant, which is a whole different thing from a pregnancy where they tell you to avoid sex so you don't go into pre-term labor. I thought the whole "high risk, no sex, afraid she might lose the baby" was a bunch of shit Nicole made up to explain why she couldn't have sex with EJ.

Basically, once the second "miracle" happened, Nicole shouldn't be any higher risk than any other pregnant woman, even if she's had a miscarriage before.
Conception for Nicole has always been an issue, hence all the MIRACLE! talk w/ Ejole baby number 1 and 2.
Remember, EJ has super swimmers. :ermm:
Apparently bathed in Miracle Grow too.
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That's the way I remember it too. It was all a scam Nicole cooked up to hide the rubber belly.

She did use that scam to hide the rubber baby belly, but I'm referencing a scene before she miscarried. She and EJ came home from the hospital. They were kissing in the foyer and I swear she told him that she got the 'okay' to have sex. I want to say they went up and had sex. Then shortly after is when EJ wanted to take her away for the weekend to that cabin. He got called away on business. She went anyways. He was supposed to meet her there. She started to miscarry and called Brady.

I remember it because at the time I recall wondering if they would attribute her miscarriage to the EJole sex in any way. I hoped they wouldn't because that would be awful.

Aw, hell, I'm going to have to try and dig up this scene, aren't I?
Well, if you're not busy... ;) I do remember them having sex just before EJ left, but not the conversation about getting the green light surrounding it (not that it didn't happen)
Well, that didn't take long at all. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp9-HgbmM1M&feature=relmfu

Okay, so there was no period of 'abstinence' prior to this prenatal visit, or maybe there was, but either way both Nicole and EJ were scared to have sex without getting the 'it's okay' from Dan (of all people :x ) So like I said there may have been some implied abstinence until they got the 'okay' especially since EJ tells her he won't be able to stop after they start kissing. Maybe they were holding back before, but either way, it was an issue of concern for both of them. Really highlights how concerned Nicole was (and EJ for that matter) about the health and wellbeing of that unborn baby the first time around. Too bad Nicole could seem to give a rat's ass this time.
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Fast Forward to 6:30. The original problem was with natural conception, not pregnancy.
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I will say that Daniel sexing it up with Nicole is way worse then his hook up with Jennifer. Atleast with Jennifer, she was emotionally & physically distant from her husband and they spent time nuturing a relationship, even if it was just a few dates. Daniel and Nicole is just insta-sex. I would have been happier with the SL if Daniel was her emotional support, they spent time and build a friendship, etc, they could cuddle & kiss, but do they really need to have sex? Who is the sex for? Not Nicole, I still say she is going to use it to keep his his mouth shut about the paternity switch.

The spoilers makes Nicole look desperate and Daniel a manwhore. What is this man thinking? He's admited to screwing up his past relationships, so what does Nicole have to offer him? The insta-family that he tried to steal from Jack. Daniel is a bone-ass, Daniel can't be in this for the sex, he must want something else. Other than an insta-family, Daniel can't really believe that this ex-hooker, dancer, stripper loves and wants him. SL is a fucking mess!
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She did use that scam to hide the rubber baby belly, but I'm referencing a scene before she miscarried. She and EJ came home from the hospital. They were kissing in the foyer and I swear she told him that she got the 'okay' to have sex. I want to say they went up and had sex. Then shortly after is when EJ wanted to take her away for the weekend to that cabin. He got called away on business. She went anyways. He was supposed to meet her there. She started to miscarry and called Brady.

I remember it because at the time I recall wondering if they would attribute her miscarriage to the EJole sex in any way. I hoped they wouldn't because that would be awful.

Aw, hell, I'm going to have to try and dig up this scene, aren't I?
Well, if you're not busy... ;) I do remember them having sex just before EJ left, but not the conversation about getting the green light surrounding it (not that it didn't happen)
Well, that didn't take long at all. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp9-HgbmM1M&feature=relmfu

Okay, so there was no period of 'abstinence' prior to this prenatal visit, or maybe there was, but either way both Nicole and EJ were scared to have sex without getting the 'it's okay' from Dan (of all people :x ) So like I said there may have been some implied abstinence until they got the 'okay' especially since EJ tells her he won't be able to stop after they start kissing. Maybe they were holding back before, but either way, it was an issue of concern for both of them. Really highlights how concerned Nicole was (and EJ for that matter) about the health and wellbeing of that unborn baby the first time around. Too bad Nicole could seem to give a rat's ass this time.
Wow, you're good lol.

Man, AZ was really bad back then.
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Well then thank god for at least one thing from MarDar having EJ bully him or whatever, because Will is the only interesting character in his age set, and gets some decent writing. Bully on, because I couldn't go back to Will hanging out with the Scooby gang at the diner. I do think Will can fight his own battles. He inserted himself into his situation, and wanted to run with the big dogs, so be it. I watch all his scenes, he's never boring.
Exactly. It's not like Will is coming into this circle as a 'normal' innocent little teenager. He shot EJ in the back. It's gonna take alot for me to see Will as EJ's 'victim' because of this little fact. EJ could have sent his ass to jail, but didn't. Add to that the whole reason EJ blackmailed him in the first place is because Will tried to blackmail EJ.

Someone obviously needs to school this kid and knock him down a peg or two. I happen to love the dynamic in the EJ and Will scenes anyways, so works for me.

His lack of scenes/dialogue, etc with Lucas I see as a separate issue, especially since the lack of Lucas scenes are not just specific to Will. They are currently not writing for BD/Lucas very much at all, with or without Will.
I can't totally disagree with this, as Will did want to try his hand at the blackmail game, and EJ is teaching him what happens when he does that, in a sense. He starts something with a "DiMera," he is going to face the consequences.

It's other aspects that make me think of EJ as a bully. His manhandling of Will, someone younger and smaller. His hitting him in the face a few times with a folder. And, also, as to why he didn't send Will's ass to jail years ago -- again, this whole story was retconned, so believe what you like -- but from what EJ said, he did this because he knew he could use this information to his advantage later on. His measures it when he gets information, he told Will, and knew he could keep this gem in his pocket for later use. Some might argue that future blackmail is nothing versus sending Will to jail. I think allowing Will's father to go to jail, lull him into a false sense that he was cleared, and then coming back at some future point to use this information against him or his family in some way is much more villainous. Maximize possible pain inflicted. But, from EJ, I wouldn't expect anything else -- quite a good villain-y move on his part, actually.

So I don't think of Will as EJ's victim per se, but I do see EJ as a bully, continuing to want to torment a younger person who got in over his head. Seems like EJ should have bigger fish to fry, but whatever.

But let Will learn his lesson. If all this is schools Will so that he becomes stronger, smarter, schemier, and uses this knowledge to give back in kind, manipulate EJ successfully at some later point, then I am all for it. I just don't like seeing Will so much under EJ's thumb at the moment (which I think he is). Hope that changes soonish.

As for Lucas not having more storylines, that is absolutely true and not all to do with Will. But it is one more opportunity for him to have scenes and dialogue he's now not getting, or a role that is being limited for him. And so as a Lucas fan who wants to see his return amount to something significant, that is bothersome to me. But who knows. Maybe EJill will occasion more scenes and storyline opportunities for him. ??
I do recall EJ saying he was hanging onto the fact that Will was his shooter to use at a later date. The way I saw it though is he wouldn't/didn't pull it out to use until Will gave him no choice. I saw it as more of 'insurance' EJ kept in his back pocket. Is he above using it for something else? Of course not, but he hadn't so far so............

I understand what you are saying about the mandhandling. I don't disagree with that either. I prefer EJ just control him with his words. EJ shouldn't need that extra crap, and it does make it look more foolish.

I would be okay with the pupil one-upping the master at a later date, but not now. I think it would be unrealistic to do it this soon. I also think it would add to the drama of it all if they would build on this relationship over time, and THEN do some kick-ass story where Will does totally turn the tables on EJ by utilizing everything EJ taught him. That could be very good.

As far as Lucas, it should present more opportunities for Lucas to have scenes. First off, I like EJ/Lucas scenes. So them having a power struggle of sorts over Will would be good stuff. Showing Will being pulled back from the dark side by his father while still drawn to the appeal of all the dark side has to offer would be good stuff. Add to that his father has been there and could add in his first hand words of wisdom. Yeah, that could and should work. I'd be good with that added layer to this story. I understand the frustration. I just don't agree removing EJ/Will scenes would equate to more Lucas/Will scenes. I see that as an unfortunate fact of the regime's preferences. As a Jack D fan, I certainly empathize with your frustration in that respect.
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I thought the no sex thing kicked in after the miscarriage when she had fake baby belly..
Weren't they going away for Romantic weekend in a cabin just before the miscarriage.
That's the way I remember it too. It was all a scam Nicole cooked up to hide the rubber belly.

She did use that scam to hide the rubber baby belly, but I'm referencing a scene before she miscarried. She and EJ came home from the hospital. They were kissing in the foyer and I swear she told him that she got the 'okay' to have sex. I want to say they went up and had sex. Then shortly after is when EJ wanted to take her away for the weekend to that cabin. He got called away on business. She went anyways. He was supposed to meet her there. She started to miscarry and called Brady.

I remember it because at the time I recall wondering if they would attribute her miscarriage to the EJole sex in any way. I hoped they wouldn't because that would be awful.

Aw, hell, I'm going to have to try and dig up this scene, aren't I?
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Jun 19 2012, 10:11 PM


Fast Forward to 6:30. The original problem was with natural conception, not pregnancy.
And to round it out



From :55 to 2:50, Brandon and Nicole go back and forth about whether she wants kids. Brandon thinks she's playing tough, while Nicole claims her infertility is a good thing and that her only problem is that Victor is upset.
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Geez I never thought I would catch up on this thread but I finally did after skipping a few pages...lol

Some of the spoilers sound good and some not so good. Love the Ejami scenes and that Lexie might tell Ej to be with Sami. What is going on with Nicole?? Maybe Ian has been slipping her some horny pills because that girl has to get her fix.

maybe they were/are planning on having her sex with Daniel as being the reason she may miscarry or go into labor early and Ej will have a reason to hate Daniel and Nicole both.
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I don't put a lot of stock in supposed facts on soaps. Reality doesn't come into play. How many times have the writers "forgotten" character history? Miracles, unrealistic storylines happen all the time. Why shouldn't Nicole conceive? Even in real life nature defies human predictability and logic. That being said, I would like to see the real Nicole surface. The one who will take EJ to the cleaners, because the real Nicole would. IMO she's manipulating Dan to do her bidding, she's using Rafe, and she'll make sure EJ gives her everything he's got.
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Jun 19 2012, 12:11 PM
Why do folks think Nicole having sex is going to endanger the baby? Was she warned not to have sex while pregnant?
Because sex has a tendency to shake things loose (semen has oxytocin which is the hormone that induces labor). Nicole not only has a history of miscarriage (I think the show retconned it to where her baby was stillborn which increases the risk for the next pregnancy) but her insides are mangled too. Actually, I'm pretty sure a good doctor would put her on bed rest for the remainder of her pregnancy.
It just seems weird because I had two miscarriages myself and was never warned to avoid sex during later pregnancies, so I don't get the big deal. Unless there's a specific issues with the pregnancy (experiencing pre-term labor, etc.), I don't get why prior miscarriages would mean that she can't have sex. But whatever, it was clearly just a plotpoint in her previous pregnancy story that they've decided not to make a plotpoint now.
A pregnant woman is allowed to have sex right up to the last month before her due date. Just not with her Dr.
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Jun 18 2012, 07:41 AM
must disagree, I still want Ej and Nicole a family. I hate how the Ejoles have been robbed of such a wonderful baby story line buy this nonsense.
You ain't kidding! Ejoles have waited forever for a baby story-only to have MarDar rob them of it! I hope this is a turning point and we start to see Ejole moving toward each other (I wish at record breaking speed but will settle for slowly). It's time that GT, CW start putting things back in order again, if they expect to have a show next year!! This craziness of Nicole hiding her beloved baby has got to stop! And hopefully EJ starts learning something about delivering a baby--because that HAS to happen!!
I love that we are finally getting Ejole. I love that Nicole is getting sneaky again. I can hardly wait to see what havoc the ejole baby will reek on Salem.
Where does it say you are finally getting EJole?
EJole has been on for years and is on their second baby story. We had EJole 1.0, 2.0, 3.0. I'm not sure if we are on 4.0 or more 3.0. This is similar to Ejole 1.0 which was pretty good really, so this is like a bad remake version of 1.0. Kind of like Highlander 3 was a redo of Highlader 1. Now in all fairness, Lumi have had about 6 versions and EJami 3 or 4. So I don't think any fans have been shorted, other than things never went smoothly in any of these cases, which will never happen because this is a soap. :shrug:

I take what I enjoy from the show and toss the rest. Like I won't be watching reprehensible, gross Dicole sex. I am looking forward to tomorrow and Lexies last scenes and her memorial. I enjoy the EJami scenes they've been showing because I think the actors are fun together and it's a relief to see the characters acting like human beings. I like Lucas, and I like Nicole, and don't want to see them written into corners like they have Lucas -again. I like Lucas and Sami, I've enjoyed them over the years, and during the last few months, though it feels like Sami has moved on and Lucas hasn't. Lumi were given some good stories that I enjoyed. They hated each orher and did some terrible things, but moved past it and became close. Sami and EJ can do the same, but they have to be given the same chance to put things in the past. I admit I don't understand the appeal of EJ and Nicole. They're like a watered down EJami and I've liked Nicole so much better with other guys. I'm excited about the idea of Eric coming back and being put in her orbit. She deserves to be someones first choice and true love.

I dont buy that some couples nasty things they've done to each other are better or worse than the nastly things a different couple did to each other. A lot of it is the luck if the draw, who the writers were when they decided to fuck the couple up. Dena was a hack and went to extremes. Sami should never have shot EJ, and EJ shouldn't have done Rafe 2. I didn't buy that either would do those things. It was reprehensable writing for shock value. Lazyass writing. The whole story was out there in crazy land, and I think Dena was off her medication. Its almost not fair to throw it at EJamis because it was so rediculous. This thing with Dancole sex is the same thing. It's so disgusting and insane, I'm willing to never speak of it again. LOL. The writers do this shit, not the characters. Anyway, all these couples are so fucked up, I cant say my favorite characters bad behavior is ok because someone else's was much worse.

I refuse to watch Rafe/Safe, both should die painfully and can't hold a candle to either Lumi or EJami who have interesting histories and relationships because of all the fucked up stuff they've done, as well as the nice moments they've shared. I feel a bond between Sami and those two guys I never felt from Safe. I say rejoice in the fucked up because it's never boring. In a soap, you do have to move on from the fuckery, otherwise you're left with two options. You can rationalize the crazy stuff your favorites did, which is impossible, other than saying yours is worse than mine, which is a weak argument. Or, you can have the characters act realistically, which means you'll have no characters left outside prison, and speaking to each other accept Roman and Abe. God that would be boring. I can see the promo now. Watch "The Roman and Abe Show." We guarantee no fuckery and absolutely no entertainment. Just a couple of ex partners eating Chinese takeout while watching WWF pay per play.
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