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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
Topic Started: Jun 14 2012, 05:36 PM (77,612 Views)
LuvingLumi
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six
Jun 20 2012, 10:54 AM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:37 AM
Hopeless_Dreamer
Jun 20 2012, 10:31 AM
One eyed Willy wanting his parents to dance at a funeral. Doesn't get much more contrived then that. :shame:
It's actually been used before on this show, not just for Lumi either. So if it is contrived for EJami, I guess Lumi was contrived, so was Jack & Jen, etc....etc....

I think it will be soo cute. At Johnny's age it's completely natural to want to see his parents like that. If he's 16 and still harping on them to be "together", then I'll have issues and think the kid needs to get a grip.
but with the others it wasn't at a funeral....lol

It makes sense to me. Sex after your child dies, dancing after your sister died. I guess they forgot to do something in between, like making out to mark Stefano's death.

Seriously though, even irl, a lot of people see no difference between a funeral and a regular family gathering.
I've been to two celebration of life in lieu of funerals, people ate, gathered and even at one, a few specific songs were played that the deceased wanted played at this gathering, but no one danced, lol...maybe it was just too much...who knows....Maybe it's my bias showing but I would LOVE for Sami to tell Johnny that it's not appropriate to do such a thing given the circumstances of where they are.
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I'm done with this version of Nicole. EJ royally screwed up when he screwed Sami but at least he had a half-way decent excuse for his actions and was technically single at the time. Nicole is out of excuses. :flipoff:
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but with the others it wasn't at a funeral....lol

It makes sense to me. Sex after your child dies, dancing after your sister died. I guess they forgot to do something in between, like making out to mark Stefano's death.

Seriously though, even irl, a lot of people see no difference between a funeral and a regular family gathering.
I've been to two celebration of life in lieu of funerals, people ate, gathered and even at one, a few specific songs were played that the deceased wanted played at this gathering, but no one danced, lol...maybe it was just too much...who knows....Maybe it's my bias showing but I would LOVE for Sami to tell Johnny that it's not appropriate to do such a thing given the circumstances of where they are.
It's also inappropriate to have sex after finding out your child had died but that certainly didn't stop Sami. On the plus side, I am glad that she's at least being a friend to EJ.
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Jun 20 2012, 09:39 AM

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I disagree with your first sentence. The ONLY person that I can say with certainty that Sami has forgiven completely and forgotten about all the bad blood between them is Lucas. Aside from that Sami is still holding grudges with virtually everyone she was holding grudges with over 10 years ago. She still can't stand John, she has her beef with Carrie and Marlena, she has her issues with Kate. But with Ej, it's never actually made sense for her to be fine one minute and then hating on him the next and then back to fine, etc. After over a decade of fighting custody battles for Will, lying and scheming to get him away from Lucas for no reason other than to try to trap Austin with the idea of being around for Will, she does NOTHING like that with Ej. She gives him Johnny as if he deserved a prize for his behavior. It's so freaking out of character it's ridiculous....look how it is that the ONLY way that Sami was able to get full custody of both Johnny and Syd was when Ej GAVE it to her.
But she's been inconsistent with her hate with most people, so why not with EJ? I thought it was odd that Sami didn't fight for custody of Johnny as a newborn, but her actions with Grace were worse than the original lie about Will. At least with Will, she didn't set out to deceive Lucas from day one. She was also planning a custody battle after the double Rafe story. EJ just ended things before they began.

But she didn't have a 'reason' to deceive Lucas from day 1, she was his friend, she wasn't even enemies with Kate back then...in contrast she had reasons for everything she did to keep Syd away from Ej. Whether we agree they were the right reasons or not, she had a valid argument....she already was forced into raising one child into that family, she didn't want another suffering the same, but then why didn't she at least try to prevent the first one from that at all? It never made sense to me, but then again Sami's actions the last 5 years at least haven't made sense to me either.....
Well, like I said, her actions with Johnny didn't make sense to me either. I think we can probably all agree on that, but my point is that it's not true that she never gave EJ a taste of the things she gave Lucas. Justified or not, she did. And while she did initially keep Will from Lucas for selfish reasons, Lucas did give her plenty of good reason later on. It's only through pure luck that Will isn't dead because of Lucas. I think Sami's argument on Grace was valid on the surface and fell apart once examined more closely, but we've done that conversation to death.
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Jun 20 2012, 10:31 AM
One eyed Willy wanting his parents to dance at a funeral. Doesn't get much more contrived then that. :shame:
It's actually been used before on this show, not just for Lumi either. So if it is contrived for EJami, I guess Lumi was contrived, so was Jack & Jen, etc....etc....

I think it will be soo cute. At Johnny's age it's completely natural to want to see his parents like that. If he's 16 and still harping on them to be "together", then I'll have issues and think the kid needs to get a grip.
yeah you don't really see Will supporting his parents getting back together, I think Will is going to be one of Ejami's biggest supporters.
I some how doubt that and if he is , I will quit watching this loathesome show all together. I refuse to watch anything like was just suggested. But since I don't see that written in an spoilers, it aint gonna happen. :moon:
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Jun 20 2012, 02:32 AM
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I don't see why this is a big deal. Ej sent Nicole to jail mostly because he was angry and hurt by her and I forgave him that so I'll forgive Nicole too and Ej banged a pig and a twig while married to Nicole so I'll forgive Nicole her whore-ange ommpa loompa. As long as they don't start raping or trying to kill each other I'm good. Hell I even forgave Todd punching Tea on OLTL once upon a time but couldn't bring myself to for give him telling Blair her son was dead when he wasn't mmmm :shrug: I also wouldn't want either of them to force the other to go straight. I like them bad and manipulating even if it is sometimes with each other like right now as long as I still believe they love each other (and I definitely do) I'm ok with this. I do think however that mardar where trying hard to assassinate the Nicole character so I'm glad those hacks are gone. What they don't see is they screwed up every other character in the process. Taniel was suppose to stop this crap because everyone hated it = fail Sami doesn't give a crap her son is being blackmailed making her look like an even crappier slut of a mother (if thats possible) = Fail Ej getting beaten down AGAIN and rolling around in rock bottom while no one else pays for their deeds = fail The fact that the still haven't gotten me to invest in any other characters on the show = huge FAIL
I know this is completely off-topic but OMG I think that Todd telling Blair that Jack was dead was truly one of the worst thing he's ever done to Blair, but that was one awesome baby storyline, I did forgive him for that (and pretty much everything else he's ever done), mostly because of the dialogue in his scenes with David, the nuns, and then with the guy that thought he was "Ditter's" father. It was absolutely hilarious. It's kind of hard to hold a grudge about something that I'm laughing about. Too bad we can't get that kind of writing on Days. C'est la vie.
Agreed I miss that kind of writing. It had a beginning middle and an end. You saw the motive behind the action, you saw the emotions because of the action and you saw real repercussions. All of this has been lacking on Days lately. I think that is one of the major reason I can't get invested past the couple I love. It is sad really since I think that is what is killing this soap. I also want to add that I did forgive Todd (how could I not) but I never really bought their love after that.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:57 AM
Friday ("The Memorial Service")
A tribute to Lexie takes place at Chez Rouge; Sami comforts EJ; Nicole and Daniel grow closer.
LOOK! Another Sami comforts ________ spoiler. How totally rare.

:puke:
Ah, the thumbs down. ;) Let me be clearer. What I really mean is that this is ANOTHER spoiler with "Sami" and "comfort" in it. My comment wasn't ONLY about this spoiler pertaining to EJ/Ejami. I happen not to like that aspect, of course, but my greater point was that there have been at least once-a-week spoilers, it seems, about Sami comforting so and so or being comforted by so and so or seeking comfort from so and so. It's just such an overused spoiler that it shouldn't even be a spoiler at this point...but rather a totally expected and predictable item. THAT is really my chief complaint (not solely to do with Ejami). If I had a nickel for every one of those comforting spoilers we've seen in recent weeks............I'd have many nickels.
Any spoiler beginning with Sami is MY chief complaint regardless of the name of the man following it. I need a Sami break and since I'm not getting it from Days, I've been giving myself a Days break.
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but with the others it wasn't at a funeral....lol

It makes sense to me. Sex after your child dies, dancing after your sister died. I guess they forgot to do something in between, like making out to mark Stefano's death.

Seriously though, even irl, a lot of people see no difference between a funeral and a regular family gathering.
I've been to two celebration of life in lieu of funerals, people ate, gathered and even at one, a few specific songs were played that the deceased wanted played at this gathering, but no one danced, lol...maybe it was just too much...who knows....Maybe it's my bias showing but I would LOVE for Sami to tell Johnny that it's not appropriate to do such a thing given the circumstances of where they are.
Oh, I definitely think it's weird that they're going to dance (and that it's at a restaurant). At the last funeral I was at, people brought their own instruments and danced (church style though, not romantic) and took pictures etc. :shrug:
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Jun 20 2012, 09:54 AM
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Jun 20 2012, 09:26 AM
The spoilers never mentioned E.J. with Sami at Stefano's funeral actually.

Why is Sami ruined? Because she is back in E.J.'s orbit, slowly moving away from Lucas?

E.J. might be blackmailing Will, but he is the one who keeps wanting to be around E.J. He didn't have to accept E.J. bailing him out, but he did. And he is helping Will beat the charges. Why should Sami be mad at E.J.? Will himself is apparently mad at his mother for confronting E.J. E.J. and Will have something going on that doesn't involve Sami and so far, their dynamics has done wonders for Will. I can see her not holding it against E.J., who has been there for Will according to himself.

Funny how Sami wasn't ruined when she shot E.J.!
It's MY opinion that Sami is ruined and it's not just because she's moving into Ej's orbit now and away from Lucas'...I've felt this way back in 2007 when I didn't see Sami fight for custody of Johnny, when I saw Sami forgive and trust Ej wasy too easily after she had trouble forgiving Lucas, Kate, Marlena, John and others who she perceived 'wronged' her. She never went out for revenge against Ej back then and her attempts at 'getting back at him' were stupid, it was more about protecting her kid, than getting revenge on Ej. I know that Sami is capable of shooting people to kill them, she did it to Lucas and Kate before, so no I don't perceive that as something that would ruin her character, for the reasons I stated above and because Ej had it coming FOR YEARS, IMHO. Was the timing of it a bit off? Maybe, I think it would have played out more if she would have done it around 2007, but hey, nothing about this show has made sense for about 5 years so I don't expect it to make sense now all of a sudden.

Sami by nature is not a forgiving person.....she doesn't forgive many people and she doesn't do it often. The fact that she's fine with Ej blackmailing her son, not once but twice is NOT in character for her. So yeah, it's strange and I don't give a flip if Will wants to be around Ej....since when has that stopped Sami....what other people wanted was never a concern for her.
I think Sami's happy Will is speaking to her again and she doesn't want to rock the boat with him. He's out of jail and she's grateful for that. It's a "never look a gift horse in the mouth" kind of thing.

Ultimately, EJ has helped Will and he's done some things that were not to the benefit of Will. Will did need someone to take a firm hand with him. Usually when young people are spinning out of control they subconsciously want someone to reign them back in. When they're confused about their place in the world, there is comfort in someone setting clear boundaries. Is blackmail the recommended way to do so, of course not. But EJ got Will to stop running around scattered, and to focus in the only way EJ knows how. By laying down the law and negative reinforcement. But because of EJ's experience with father/son relationships, he used money and power as a positive reinforcement, which is wrong. But that's what Stefano gave him for being a good boy.

EJ took Will as-is, set boundries and expectations, and followed through with consequences when Will crossed the lines. He rewarded Will money, but also with his affection and trust. EJ did the right thing in his own fucked up way. The only other person doing anything for Will was Marlena. Between her unconditional love and EJ's clear boundaries Will ended up better off than he would have been with his own parents. Sami is lousy at unconditional love, and Lucas is lousy about setting boundaries and standards for acceptable behavior and following through with consequences. Maybe because lucas didn't have a man do that for him when he was young. Victor didn't bother and Kate encouraged Lucas to run wild. It's impressive he's gotten his life together at all.

EJ didnt do a perfect job, but it was more than anything anyone else was doing. If it was left to Sami and Lucas, Will would have run away. His self loathing and heredity would probably have him roaming the streets of Chicago, turning tricks to buy booze and get by. "Why are you still here?" "Because you told me to stay." is not aweful and abusive. Its what Will needs and wants right now. Someone to take enough interest in him to reign him in. That person just happens to be a fucked up and imperfect parent, as we all are to different degrees. I think Sami understands this. She's not focused on the blackmail because it's not Will's real problem. It was part of the solution, not the best way, but effective.
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but with the others it wasn't at a funeral....lol

and I had issues with Sami in her 20s wanting to have Roman and Marlena together.....I sometimes can't believe I liked that character so much, lol
I'm guessing it's not the funeral portion since it's at Chez Rouge. We'll see how it plays out. Maybe Lexie stressed she wanted a 'celebration' of life more than a mourning? An Irish wake minus alot of Irish Whiskey and toasts? If so, her nephew is right in step with his aunt's last wishes. Obviously, I don't think Johnny is going to cue music all by himself. There's obviously music already playing in the background and/or maybe people already dancing. The kid's good but not that good. He must get the idea from somewhere.

But if little Johnny wanted to dim the lights a bit and cue Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get It On" as EJami start to dance, I'd buy the kid a new pony. :D
You aren't going to buy him a new penguin? or FBI jacket...the old one must be in ruins since he used it so much.

I kid....I kid
A wha or a wha??? I know not what you speak of :P
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Jun 20 2012, 09:26 AM
The spoilers never mentioned E.J. with Sami at Stefano's funeral actually.

Why is Sami ruined? Because she is back in E.J.'s orbit, slowly moving away from Lucas?

E.J. might be blackmailing Will, but he is the one who keeps wanting to be around E.J. He didn't have to accept E.J. bailing him out, but he did. And he is helping Will beat the charges. Why should Sami be mad at E.J.? Will himself is apparently mad at his mother for confronting E.J. E.J. and Will have something going on that doesn't involve Sami and so far, their dynamics has done wonders for Will. I can see her not holding it against E.J., who has been there for Will according to himself.

Funny how Sami wasn't ruined when she shot E.J.!
It's MY opinion that Sami is ruined and it's not just because she's moving into Ej's orbit now and away from Lucas'...I've felt this way back in 2007 when I didn't see Sami fight for custody of Johnny, when I saw Sami forgive and trust Ej wasy too easily after she had trouble forgiving Lucas, Kate, Marlena, John and others who she perceived 'wronged' her. She never went out for revenge against Ej back then and her attempts at 'getting back at him' were stupid, it was more about protecting her kid, than getting revenge on Ej. I know that Sami is capable of shooting people to kill them, she did it to Lucas and Kate before, so no I don't perceive that as something that would ruin her character, for the reasons I stated above and because Ej had it coming FOR YEARS, IMHO. Was the timing of it a bit off? Maybe, I think it would have played out more if she would have done it around 2007, but hey, nothing about this show has made sense for about 5 years so I don't expect it to make sense now all of a sudden.

Sami by nature is not a forgiving person.....she doesn't forgive many people and she doesn't do it often. The fact that she's fine with Ej blackmailing her son, not once but twice is NOT in character for her. So yeah, it's strange and I don't give a flip if Will wants to be around Ej....since when has that stopped Sami....what other people wanted was never a concern for her.
I think Sami's happy Will is speaking to her again and she doesn't want to rock the boat with him. He's out of jail and she's grateful for that. It's a "never look a gift horse in the mouth" kind of thing.

Ultimately, EJ has helped Will and he's done some things that were not to the benefit of Will. Will did need someone to take a firm hand with him. Usually when young people are spinning out of control they subconsciously want someone to reign them back in. When they're confused about their place in the world, there is comfort in someone setting clear boundaries. Is blackmail the recommended way to do so, of course not. But EJ got Will to stop running around scattered, and to focus in the only way EJ knows how. By laying down the law and negative reinforcement. But because of EJ's experience with father/son relationships, he used money and power as a positive reinforcement, which is wrong. But that's what Stefano gave him for being a good boy.

EJ took Will as-is, set boundries and expectations, and followed through with consequences when Will crossed the lines. He rewarded Will money, but also with his affection and trust. EJ did the right thing in his own fucked up way. The only other person doing anything for Will was Marlena. Between her unconditional love and EJ's clear boundaries Will ended up better off than he would have been with his own parents. Sami is lousy at unconditional love, and Lucas is lousy about setting boundaries and standards for acceptable behavior and following through with consequences. Maybe because lucas didn't have a man do that for him when he was young. Victor didn't bother and Kate encouraged Lucas to run wild. It's impressive he's gotten his life together at all.

EJ didnt do a perfect job, but it was more than anything anyone else was doing. If it was left to Sami and Lucas, Will would have run away. His self loathing and heredity would probably have him roaming the streets of Chicago, turning tricks to buy booze and get by. "Why are you still here?" "Because you told me to stay." is not aweful and abusive. Its what Will needs and wants right now. Someone to take enough interest in him to reign him in. That person just happens to be a fucked up and imperfect parent, as we all are to different degrees.
There are ways to do that without Ej blackmailing Will again and again. If he truly had Will's best interest at heart and he cared for Sami then why continue to have Will under his thumb.
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I get MarDar wanted Ejami, but there was no excuse to trash Nicole like this. Beast can forgive Ej for blackmailing her son, enough to comfort him. Yet Nicole who we have seen love and support Ej can't and to top it off has nasty sex with Dan. It's so obvious what MarDar were doing here.Trash Nicole and Ejole beyond belief to make the audience root for Ejami. All its making me do is turn the tv off and I'll continue to tune out until that changes. :shame:
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I get MarDar wanted Ejami, but there was no excuse to trash Nicole like this. Beast can forgive Ej for blackmailing her son, enough to comfort him. Yet Nicole who we have seen love and support Ej can't and to top it off has nasty sex with Dan. It's so obvious what MarDar were doing here.Trash Nicole and Ejole beyond belief to make the audience root for Ejami. All its making me do is turn the tv off and I'll continue to tune out until that changes. :shame:
I feel for ya, this is how I felt about Nicole when she was the show darling and EJ was trashed and to a certain extent Sami. It was beyond frustrating that the story was about Ejami's baby but all they ever showed me was Nicole's trials and tribulations. MarDar are a lot nicer about it than Dena was.
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It makes sense to me. Sex after your child dies, dancing after your sister died. I guess they forgot to do something in between, like making out to mark Stefano's death.

Seriously though, even irl, a lot of people see no difference between a funeral and a regular family gathering.
I've been to two celebration of life in lieu of funerals, people ate, gathered and even at one, a few specific songs were played that the deceased wanted played at this gathering, but no one danced, lol...maybe it was just too much...who knows....Maybe it's my bias showing but I would LOVE for Sami to tell Johnny that it's not appropriate to do such a thing given the circumstances of where they are.
Oh, I definitely think it's weird that they're going to dance (and that it's at a restaurant). At the last funeral I was at, people brought their own instruments and danced (church style though, not romantic) and took pictures etc. :shrug:
and in my family everything is a celebration in some regard even funerals. We consider it celebrating someone's life rather than mourning their death. It's still somber but a celebration nonetheless.
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The spoilers never mentioned E.J. with Sami at Stefano's funeral actually.

Why is Sami ruined? Because she is back in E.J.'s orbit, slowly moving away from Lucas?

E.J. might be blackmailing Will, but he is the one who keeps wanting to be around E.J. He didn't have to accept E.J. bailing him out, but he did. And he is helping Will beat the charges. Why should Sami be mad at E.J.? Will himself is apparently mad at his mother for confronting E.J. E.J. and Will have something going on that doesn't involve Sami and so far, their dynamics has done wonders for Will. I can see her not holding it against E.J., who has been there for Will according to himself.

Funny how Sami wasn't ruined when she shot E.J.!
It's MY opinion that Sami is ruined and it's not just because she's moving into Ej's orbit now and away from Lucas'...I've felt this way back in 2007 when I didn't see Sami fight for custody of Johnny, when I saw Sami forgive and trust Ej wasy too easily after she had trouble forgiving Lucas, Kate, Marlena, John and others who she perceived 'wronged' her. She never went out for revenge against Ej back then and her attempts at 'getting back at him' were stupid, it was more about protecting her kid, than getting revenge on Ej. I know that Sami is capable of shooting people to kill them, she did it to Lucas and Kate before, so no I don't perceive that as something that would ruin her character, for the reasons I stated above and because Ej had it coming FOR YEARS, IMHO. Was the timing of it a bit off? Maybe, I think it would have played out more if she would have done it around 2007, but hey, nothing about this show has made sense for about 5 years so I don't expect it to make sense now all of a sudden.

Sami by nature is not a forgiving person.....she doesn't forgive many people and she doesn't do it often. The fact that she's fine with Ej blackmailing her son, not once but twice is NOT in character for her. So yeah, it's strange and I don't give a flip if Will wants to be around Ej....since when has that stopped Sami....what other people wanted was never a concern for her.
I think Sami's happy Will is speaking to her again and she doesn't want to rock the boat with him. He's out of jail and she's grateful for that. It's a "never look a gift horse in the mouth" kind of thing.

Ultimately, EJ has helped Will and he's done some things that were not to the benefit of Will. Will did need someone to take a firm hand with him. Usually when young people are spinning out of control they subconsciously want someone to reign them back in. When they're confused about their place in the world, there is comfort in someone setting clear boundaries. Is blackmail the recommended way to do so, of course not. But EJ got Will to stop running around scattered, and to focus in the only way EJ knows how. By laying down the law and negative reinforcement. But because of EJ's experience with father/son relationships, he used money and power as a positive reinforcement, which is wrong. But that's what Stefano gave him for being a good boy.

EJ took Will as-is, set boundries and expectations, and followed through with consequences when Will crossed the lines. He rewarded Will money, but also with his affection and trust. EJ did the right thing in his own fucked up way. The only other person doing anything for Will was Marlena. Between her unconditional love and EJ's clear boundaries Will ended up better off than he would have been with his own parents. Sami is lousy at unconditional love, and Lucas is lousy about setting boundaries and standards for acceptable behavior and following through with consequences. Maybe because lucas didn't have a man do that for him when he was young. Victor didn't bother and Kate encouraged Lucas to run wild. It's impressive he's gotten his life together at all.

EJ didnt do a perfect job, but it was more than anything anyone else was doing. If it was left to Sami and Lucas, Will would have run away. His self loathing and heredity would probably have him roaming the streets of Chicago, turning tricks to buy booze and get by. "Why are you still here?" "Because you told me to stay." is not aweful and abusive. Its what Will needs and wants right now. Someone to take enough interest in him to reign him in. That person just happens to be a fucked up and imperfect parent, as we all are to different degrees.
There are ways to do that without Ej blackmailing Will again and again. If he truly had Will's best interest at heart and he cared for Sami then why continue to have Will under his thumb.
He's speaking in terms that Will can understand. #CreativeParentingToGetResults
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Hopeless_Dreamer
Jun 20 2012, 11:33 AM
I get MarDar wanted Ejami, but there was no excuse to trash Nicole like this. Beast can forgive Ej for blackmailing her son, enough to comfort him. Yet Nicole who we have seen love and support Ej can't and to top it off has nasty sex with Dan. It's so obvious what MarDar were doing here.Trash Nicole and Ejole beyond belief to make the audience root for Ejami. All its making me do is turn the tv off and I'll continue to tune out until that changes. :shame:
I feel for ya, this is how I felt about Nicole when she was the show darling and EJ was trashed and to a certain extent Sami. It was beyond frustrating that the story was about Ejami's baby but all they ever showed me was Nicole's trials and tribulations. MarDar are a lot nicer about it than Dena was.
Amen.
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LuvingLumi
Jun 20 2012, 11:20 AM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:13 AM
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Ali_James
Jun 20 2012, 09:26 AM
The spoilers never mentioned E.J. with Sami at Stefano's funeral actually.

Why is Sami ruined? Because she is back in E.J.'s orbit, slowly moving away from Lucas?

E.J. might be blackmailing Will, but he is the one who keeps wanting to be around E.J. He didn't have to accept E.J. bailing him out, but he did. And he is helping Will beat the charges. Why should Sami be mad at E.J.? Will himself is apparently mad at his mother for confronting E.J. E.J. and Will have something going on that doesn't involve Sami and so far, their dynamics has done wonders for Will. I can see her not holding it against E.J., who has been there for Will according to himself.

Funny how Sami wasn't ruined when she shot E.J.!
It's MY opinion that Sami is ruined and it's not just because she's moving into Ej's orbit now and away from Lucas'...I've felt this way back in 2007 when I didn't see Sami fight for custody of Johnny, when I saw Sami forgive and trust Ej wasy too easily after she had trouble forgiving Lucas, Kate, Marlena, John and others who she perceived 'wronged' her. She never went out for revenge against Ej back then and her attempts at 'getting back at him' were stupid, it was more about protecting her kid, than getting revenge on Ej. I know that Sami is capable of shooting people to kill them, she did it to Lucas and Kate before, so no I don't perceive that as something that would ruin her character, for the reasons I stated above and because Ej had it coming FOR YEARS, IMHO. Was the timing of it a bit off? Maybe, I think it would have played out more if she would have done it around 2007, but hey, nothing about this show has made sense for about 5 years so I don't expect it to make sense now all of a sudden.

Sami by nature is not a forgiving person.....she doesn't forgive many people and she doesn't do it often. The fact that she's fine with Ej blackmailing her son, not once but twice is NOT in character for her. So yeah, it's strange and I don't give a flip if Will wants to be around Ej....since when has that stopped Sami....what other people wanted was never a concern for her.
I think Sami's happy Will is speaking to her again and she doesn't want to rock the boat with him. He's out of jail and she's grateful for that. It's a "never look a gift horse in the mouth" kind of thing.

Ultimately, EJ has helped Will and he's done some things that were not to the benefit of Will. Will did need someone to take a firm hand with him. Usually when young people are spinning out of control they subconsciously want someone to reign them back in. When they're confused about their place in the world, there is comfort in someone setting clear boundaries. Is blackmail the recommended way to do so, of course not. But EJ got Will to stop running around scattered, and to focus in the only way EJ knows how. By laying down the law and negative reinforcement. But because of EJ's experience with father/son relationships, he used money and power as a positive reinforcement, which is wrong. But that's what Stefano gave him for being a good boy.

EJ took Will as-is, set boundries and expectations, and followed through with consequences when Will crossed the lines. He rewarded Will money, but also with his affection and trust. EJ did the right thing in his own fucked up way. The only other person doing anything for Will was Marlena. Between her unconditional love and EJ's clear boundaries Will ended up better off than he would have been with his own parents. Sami is lousy at unconditional love, and Lucas is lousy about setting boundaries and standards for acceptable behavior and following through with consequences. Maybe because lucas didn't have a man do that for him when he was young. Victor didn't bother and Kate encouraged Lucas to run wild. It's impressive he's gotten his life together at all.

EJ didnt do a perfect job, but it was more than anything anyone else was doing. If it was left to Sami and Lucas, Will would have run away. His self loathing and heredity would probably have him roaming the streets of Chicago, turning tricks to buy booze and get by. "Why are you still here?" "Because you told me to stay." is not aweful and abusive. Its what Will needs and wants right now. Someone to take enough interest in him to reign him in. That person just happens to be a fucked up and imperfect parent, as we all are to different degrees.
There are ways to do that without Ej blackmailing Will again and again. If he truly had Will's best interest at heart and he cared for Sami then why continue to have Will under his thumb.


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Jun 20 2012, 11:28 AM
He probably doesn't know any better.


Which is what I took from Shadow's post.

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I've been to two celebration of life in lieu of funerals, people ate, gathered and even at one, a few specific songs were played that the deceased wanted played at this gathering, but no one danced, lol...maybe it was just too much...who knows....Maybe it's my bias showing but I would LOVE for Sami to tell Johnny that it's not appropriate to do such a thing given the circumstances of where they are.
Oh, I definitely think it's weird that they're going to dance (and that it's at a restaurant). At the last funeral I was at, people brought their own instruments and danced (church style though, not romantic) and took pictures etc. :shrug:
and in my family everything is a celebration in some regard even funerals. We consider it celebrating someone's life rather than mourning their death. It's still somber but a celebration nonetheless.
I've been to a lot of funerals where it feels more like a kegger than a funeral.
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Hopeless_Dreamer
Jun 20 2012, 11:33 AM
I get MarDar wanted Ejami, but there was no excuse to trash Nicole like this. Beast can forgive Ej for blackmailing her son, enough to comfort him. Yet Nicole who we have seen love and support Ej can't and to top it off has nasty sex with Dan. It's so obvious what MarDar were doing here.Trash Nicole and Ejole beyond belief to make the audience root for Ejami. All its making me do is turn the tv off and I'll continue to tune out until that changes. :shame:
agreed, this show is not worth watching. There are tons of people boycotting it now bc of the Dicole
and Ej and Sami nonsense. I took Days off my Dvr and if I watch at all its when Lumi is on and Ejole and I only watch the clips on you tube. Its a shame they have ruined the show for so many and havent stepped in to fix this mess. Days is very :puke: worthy right now. No sense even trynna watch it.
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