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Jun 20 2012, 01:34 PM
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Soap logic dictated that ejami would have been the rooting couple when Nicole lost her child and kidnapped theirs, too, but that isn't how things turned out is it? It's not that there weren't positive things for ejami, it's that there were positive things for everyone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
Soaps have no logic if they did EJAMI would have NEVER been teased as a couple bafter all the craqp and the reason that EJAMI werent the rooting couple under the last and returning regime is because they didn't care to write for them because they didn't like them as anything other than enemies but as I said MarDar should their love of EJAMI on more than a few occasions and were incredibly rude to other fans on Twitter while joining the EJAMI Facebook page and were the first writers to actually WANT To go there as I said Austin and Lucas were the smucks blinded by their love of Carrie and Sami. While they have Nicole doing the nasty with Dan. ALL for EJAMI's benefit. While they grow "closer and closer". No matter all the shit EJ has done and is doing now to Will.I took my blindersa off about MarDar rather quickly.
Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything. While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". MarDar were more willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:35 PM
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One eyed Willy wanting his parents to dance at a funeral. Doesn't get much more contrived then that. :shame: :huh1: Wow.
Please explain how that is NOT contrived? Pretty clear cut contrivement if you ask me.
It is. Not because it's ejami. It's contrived every time they use the kids this way. It used to drive me crazy with Shawn D. Teenage Belle was bad about it too. Will was awul about it. Real kids would be yelling "ewwww." AGREED!
The only time I actually enjoyed kids doing this bullshit on DAYS was with Megan Corletto's Abby and J&J...and only because the show got creative with her.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:36 PM
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Please explain how that is NOT contrived? Pretty clear cut contrivement if you ask me.
I took the WOW as being appal at the "one eye willy" comment
For the record if Johnny was a real kid with one eye I would not have made that comment. But its fiction. It's also no worse then posters wanting a fictional character to miscarry. :shrug: Or wanting one to be hit by a bus...and then run over again by a semi ( :wave: Rafe)
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Jun 20 2012, 01:38 PM
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Agreed, but that just brings us to point #2. The show has been all over the place for years, giving everybody numerous scenes that can be used to support why 'their' version of the character is the correct version.
but it's not 'my' version or Aliaron's version of the character. It's the character and how they existed from 93 to 2007......since then she's been out of character during the majority of that run.
Sure if you ignore that Sami forgave people in that time period. I was never just talking about Sami (or EJ) though. All the characters have had periods of inconsistency and been entertaining in spite of it. To use Sami as an example though, it wasn't like her to accept the judge's order that she split her time with Allie 50/50 with Lucas. Weren't you glad that happened, though? she forgave ONE person fully, and it took her over a year and a half to do that. Compare that with how easily she forgave Ej and trusted him in 2007 after the rape. It's mind blowing stupid IMHO.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:40 PM
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- Helpless Romantic
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
Soaps have no logic if they did EJAMI would have NEVER been teased as a couple bafter all the craqp and the reason that EJAMI werent the rooting couple under the last and returning regime is because they didn't care to write for them because they didn't like them as anything other than enemies but as I said MarDar should their love of EJAMI on more than a few occasions and were incredibly rude to other fans on Twitter while joining the EJAMI Facebook page and were the first writers to actually WANT To go there as I said Austin and Lucas were the smucks blinded by their love of Carrie and Sami. While they have Nicole doing the nasty with Dan. ALL for EJAMI's benefit. While they grow "closer and closer". No matter all the shit EJ has done and is doing now to Will.I took my blindersa off about MarDar rather quickly.
Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". NarDar were m,ore willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her. I think Dan's insertion is another plot point unrelated to Ejami getting together or not. It might have been used but I firmly believe that MarDar were getting ready to probably get rid of Daniel, hence the hiatus he came back from not even 6 months ago....IMHO I think Ej will find out that he slept with Nicole and changed the paternity and go after him to get him removed from the hospital. Now with TomSell back and Jack gone and the rumors about Dannifer happening again, get ready for a sharp turn away from Nicole and Dan.....and FAST....
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Jun 20 2012, 01:44 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
Soaps have no logic if they did EJAMI would have NEVER been teased as a couple bafter all the craqp and the reason that EJAMI werent the rooting couple under the last and returning regime is because they didn't care to write for them because they didn't like them as anything other than enemies but as I said MarDar should their love of EJAMI on more than a few occasions and were incredibly rude to other fans on Twitter while joining the EJAMI Facebook page and were the first writers to actually WANT To go there as I said Austin and Lucas were the smucks blinded by their love of Carrie and Sami. While they have Nicole doing the nasty with Dan. ALL for EJAMI's benefit. While they grow "closer and closer". No matter all the shit EJ has done and is doing now to Will.I took my blindersa off about MarDar rather quickly.
Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". NarDar were m,ore willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her. I think Nicole doing what Nicole has done for years is extremely relevant. People who wanted Nicole the mommy got what they wanted, and people who liked Nicole the ho are getting that. That doesn't have to have anything to do with ejami and at this point there are no signs that they're going to be connected at all. Lucas has been an afterthought for years and I really doubt anyone was going to hire a woman for him. We're going to have to agree to disagree.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:46 PM
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Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". NarDar were m,ore willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
I think Dan's insertion is another plot point unrelated to Ejami getting together or not. It might have been used but I firmly believe that MarDar were getting ready to probably get rid of Daniel, hence the hiatus he came back from not even 6 months ago....IMHO I think Ej will find out that he slept with Nicole and changed the paternity and go after him to get him removed from the hospital. Now with TomSell back and Jack gone and the rumors about Dannifer happening again, get ready for a sharp turn away from Nicole and Dan.....and FAST.... I agree about a return to Dannifer under TomSell and similair dynamics to the rest as in 2009- 2011.
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but it's not 'my' version or Aliaron's version of the character. It's the character and how they existed from 93 to 2007......since then she's been out of character during the majority of that run.
Sure if you ignore that Sami forgave people in that time period. I was never just talking about Sami (or EJ) though. All the characters have had periods of inconsistency and been entertaining in spite of it. To use Sami as an example though, it wasn't like her to accept the judge's order that she split her time with Allie 50/50 with Lucas. Weren't you glad that happened, though?
she forgave ONE person fully, and it took her over a year and a half to do that. Compare that with how easily she forgave Ej and trusted him in 2007 after the rape. It's mind blowing stupid IMHO. She forgave John, Marlena and Kate as well. Yes, she brought up the things they did again when it suited her, but she's done the same exact thing to EJ.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:49 PM
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Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". NarDar were m,ore willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
I think Nicole doing what Nicole has done for years is extremely relevant. People who wanted Nicole the mommy got what they wanted, and people who liked Nicole the ho are getting that. That doesn't have to have anything to do with ejami and at this point there are no signs that they're going to be connected at all. Lucas has been an afterthought for years and I really doubt anyone was going to hire a woman for him. We're going to have to agree to disagree. I doubt they would have had her have the baby because that would ensure that he completely turns on her and it would then be even easier to unite EJAMI but yes we will have to agree to disagree.
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I just don't see how MarDar were writing for ejami. They started the reboot off with bringing back the vets and ejami sex. After the ejami sex EJ and Sami hardly EVER interacted. It wasn't until the share that wine scene that they started to become amicable towards one another. MarDar wrote Nicole pregnant and brought back Lucas making me believe that they were going for ejole and Lumi. Something happen(behind the scenes) and I don't know what and now ejami are being friendlier and Im liking it more and more. IMO MarDar were not writing for ejami
Did you miss their interview last year? They even hinted that they might be heading back there. And considering they thought up the beastsex this makes me think heading back to Ejami was their plan all along.
That was the only couple the interviewer asked about though. They probably would have said the same thing regardless. The writing was all over the place. Everybody was given good scenes and almost every couple got thrown under the bus. I'll never understand why ejami not wanting to kill each other is supposed to be more substantial than a baby and a bunch of 'cute' scenes.
you don't think that throwing Ej and Sami into grunt fuck mode about one month after their scenes started filming was not MarDar's idea of writing for Ejami in some form or fashion? It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:55 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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So its OK for sami to do since judging from your avi you like ejami but when Nicole does it its horrible I don't get :shrug: Anyway in soaps people go to extrems so she wants him out of her life because she is angry hence keeping the baby from him BUT as I said before this is not in character for Nicole IMO because she would do anything for her baby even if it made her unhappy or uncomfortable and I think she would want it to have the Dimera power and money. This is just more crappy writing from Mardar.
If you are familiar with my posts, you will see that I do not excuse Sami for ANYTHING she has done. I called her every name in the book, I am not comparing and contrast on who is worst. Nicole is not the victim though because " she is protecting her baby" I don't see why they need to bring up Sami when we are discussing Nicole.
Actually you brought up sami not me you said "I think she has every right to be upset, but not a reason for her to keep the baby from him, knowing that is the same thing that Sami did to him." Which is the only reason I mentioned her at all. I was pointing out that just like you seem to forgive sami and like your pairing so do I forgive both Ej and Nicole and like my EJole plain and simple. I really don't care about sami she is FF material to me. We will have to agree to disagree because I'm not trying to convince you to like Nicole and I will never like sami. I will however state my opinion on Nicole and I still so not see this as that bad at all also I never said Nicole was a victim I said she gets angry and lashes out. Not victim behavior IMO When did I ever say that I forgive Sami? Just because I do not see Nicole as the victim or see her justified, that does not mean I am ignoring Sami crimes.
If you are going to say something outrageous like that, please state facts and not assumptions.
" You seem" is an assumption, just because I like Ejami that does not mean that I forgive her for anything.
I am done, you we will agree to disagree, no sense on going back and forth.
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That was the only couple the interviewer asked about though. They probably would have said the same thing regardless. The writing was all over the place. Everybody was given good scenes and almost every couple got thrown under the bus. I'll never understand why ejami not wanting to kill each other is supposed to be more substantial than a baby and a bunch of 'cute' scenes.
you don't think that throwing Ej and Sami into grunt fuck mode about one month after their scenes started filming was not MarDar's idea of writing for Ejami in some form or fashion?
It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole. and for what reason? Back then Lucas wasn't even around, so there was no 'maybe we'll go with Lumi'....what other reason would they have to do that if it wasn't to pair Ejami down the road and use Will witnessing it to jump start his gay storyline.
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- Jun 20 2012, 12:19 PM
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That was the only couple the interviewer asked about though. They probably would have said the same thing regardless. The writing was all over the place. Everybody was given good scenes and almost every couple got thrown under the bus. I'll never understand why ejami not wanting to kill each other is supposed to be more substantial than a baby and a bunch of 'cute' scenes.
you don't think that throwing Ej and Sami into grunt fuck mode about one month after their scenes started filming was not MarDar's idea of writing for Ejami in some form or fashion?
It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole. Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they( SAFE EJOLE) were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded to. So after he eventually dumps her that would leave an opening for EJAMI, because EJ would be pissed at Nicole and Lucas at Sami. Enter what MarDar wanted EJAMI.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:56 PM
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Sure if you ignore that Sami forgave people in that time period. I was never just talking about Sami (or EJ) though. All the characters have had periods of inconsistency and been entertaining in spite of it. To use Sami as an example though, it wasn't like her to accept the judge's order that she split her time with Allie 50/50 with Lucas. Weren't you glad that happened, though?
she forgave ONE person fully, and it took her over a year and a half to do that. Compare that with how easily she forgave Ej and trusted him in 2007 after the rape. It's mind blowing stupid IMHO.
She forgave John, Marlena and Kate as well. Yes, she brought up the things they did again when it suited her, but she's done the same exact thing to EJ. its years to forgive them from from 1993 until 1999 and again slowly to get mad on them around 2002 until 2007 and ect.. sami always mention the all bad stuff she mad on them and so today
sami never really forgave kate she had best been civil with her at best
and its miracle if sami even mention even half bad stuff ej did to her
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Jun 20 2012, 01:56 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- Helpless Romantic
- Jun 20 2012, 01:34 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
Soaps have no logic if they did EJAMI would have NEVER been teased as a couple bafter all the craqp and the reason that EJAMI werent the rooting couple under the last and returning regime is because they didn't care to write for them because they didn't like them as anything other than enemies but as I said MarDar should their love of EJAMI on more than a few occasions and were incredibly rude to other fans on Twitter while joining the EJAMI Facebook page and were the first writers to actually WANT To go there as I said Austin and Lucas were the smucks blinded by their love of Carrie and Sami. While they have Nicole doing the nasty with Dan. ALL for EJAMI's benefit. While they grow "closer and closer". No matter all the shit EJ has done and is doing now to Will.I took my blindersa off about MarDar rather quickly.
Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". MarDar were more willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her. But none of that has happened - EJ hasn't dumped Nicole, he hasn't declared undying love for Sami - hell, Nicole hasn't even banged Daniel yet. I think you might be putting the cart way ahead of the horse here.
I don't understand how EJami have been given any sort of 'slow build'. They've shared a few scenes here and there that were friendly and supportive of one another. In the meantime, Sami has jumped into bed with Lucas again and is proclaiming they are now in a relationship. EJ has been adamant with everyone (including Sami) that he wants to be reunited with Nicole I see no slow build - I do see them putting their relationship on friendlier terms and setting up the option to explore pairing them down the road. But nothing we're seeing right now indicates there was any plan by MarDar to make that happen in the forseeable future. There are no longing looks between them. We don't see either of them thinking about the other when they are not together or showing signs of jealousy when they see them with another romantic interest.
If MarDar were writing for EJami then I'm damn glad they're gone - because if and when EJami is ever given a chance I'm going to need a lot more than this if I'm to enjoy it. A lot more. :laugh:
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Jun 20 2012, 01:57 PM
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Sure if you ignore that Sami forgave people in that time period. I was never just talking about Sami (or EJ) though. All the characters have had periods of inconsistency and been entertaining in spite of it. To use Sami as an example though, it wasn't like her to accept the judge's order that she split her time with Allie 50/50 with Lucas. Weren't you glad that happened, though?
she forgave ONE person fully, and it took her over a year and a half to do that. Compare that with how easily she forgave Ej and trusted him in 2007 after the rape. It's mind blowing stupid IMHO.
She forgave John, Marlena and Kate as well. Yes, she brought up the things they did again when it suited her, but she's done the same exact thing to EJ. She hasn't forgiven Kate at all. She still has issues with Marlena and John. It's the quick turn around that bothers however, with all these people we are mentioning she spent DECADES hating them, she spent all but a hot minute hating, fearing Ej before she turn around and trusted him and forgave him.
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Jun 20 2012, 01:59 PM
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- Jun 20 2012, 12:38 PM
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I thought the 'wow' was for calling Johnny 'One eye'd Willy.' - LuvingLumi
- Jun 20 2012, 12:40 PM
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Not in the sense that Hopeless Dreamer has been arguing, no.
I disagree EJAMI and CAFE were getting the slow build up under MarDar with the friendship and the late night talks and other contrived tension so Sami gawks at him :eyeroll: Plumbing explosion anyone Ice cube tension for CAFE and the Caustin baby anyone? Lucas Nicole and Austin were eventually going to be thrown to the wolves IMO. The spoiler"Do you think we could ever be happy if we stop trying to kill each other"? Sami saying it was NEVER going to happen". Means it was and thats exactly where MarDar were going. No one is going to convince me otherwise and I'm not even an EJAMI fan.
Soap logic dictated that ejami would have been the rooting couple when Nicole lost her child and kidnapped theirs, too, but that isn't how things turned out is it? It's not that there weren't positive things for ejami, it's that there were positive things for everyone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. When MarDar had Ejole tangoing five minutes after he got her mom killed, nobody said 'this is going too fast! They're clearly doomed!" For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning. I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch. Personally, I think that it was GT's love for GG that prevented that from occurring. GT wanted his guy to be the one in the love story with the leading lady and ensured things moved in that direction instead and decided to use EJ as their angst. I thought I remembered that Higley said that her ultimate plan was Ejami in some blog she did, but it didn't ever happen, so obviously, she changed her mind, or someone did it for her and my guess is GT.
Like you said, soap 101 should have dictated in this case that the couple having the baby were the rooting couple, ie Ejole, but given that MarDar seemed intent on copying the previous babyswitch as much as possible, down to Rafe being the same one planning to be daddy to the child, then it's certainly not inconceivable that they were never planning to have Ejole reunite. I think that the reason for the Ejole closeness before was so EJ would have something to lose to make him want to keep the sex a secret. I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.
Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:00 PM
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you don't think that throwing Ej and Sami into grunt fuck mode about one month after their scenes started filming was not MarDar's idea of writing for Ejami in some form or fashion?
It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded. I"m starting to believe that Lucas was NOT a plan of MarDar's.....they likely didn't want him back (notice the writing they are giving him, it's nothing).....and they didn't bring him back with the original group of vets for the reset. Not that I'm complaining seeing what occurred with the majority of those characters and how they are gone now....but I'm starting to think that Lucas' return was more of a Meng decision based on the book tour feedback but they held off a bit on him because Will's storyline didn't kick off immediately at the time of the reset.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:01 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Jun 20 2012, 01:57 AM
Friday ("The Memorial Service") A tribute to Lexie takes place at Chez Rouge; Sami comforts EJ; Nicole and Daniel grow closer. Wow really Daniel and Nicole grow closer? Nicole Nicole Nicole :shame:
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Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". MarDar were more willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
But none of that has happened - EJ hasn't dumped Nicole, he hasn't declared undying love for Sami - hell, Nicole hasn't even banged Daniel yet. I think you might be putting the cart way ahead of the horse here. I don't understand how EJami have been given any sort of 'slow build'. They've shared a few scenes here and there that were friendly and supportive of one another. In the meantime, Sami has jumped into bed with Lucas again and is proclaiming they are now in a relationship. EJ has been adamant with everyone (including Sami) that he wants to be reunited with Nicole I see no slow build - I do see them putting their relationship on friendlier terms and setting up the option to explore pairing them down the road. But nothing we're seeing right now indicates there was any plan by MarDar to make that happen in the forseeable future. There are no longing looks between them. We don't see either of them thinking about the other when they are not together or showing signs of jealousy when they see them with another romantic interest. If MarDar were writing for EJami then I'm damn glad they're gone - because if and when EJami is ever given a chance I'm going to need a lot more than this if I'm to enjoy it. A lot more. :laugh: Socrmum, as I have said to me Nicole and Lucas were being written as temporary EJAMI angst. The majority of Sami's scenes has been with EJ and the once a week appearance by Lucas. The fact that they threw LUMI together so fast spelled trouble while MarDar were not rushing with EJAMI or CAFE but taking their time before uniting them and I think as someone who is not an EJAMI fan this is the most favorable writing for EJAMI after early 2006 when I still liked them. Shocking I know. LOL. :laugh:
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