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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
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you don't think that throwing Ej and Sami into grunt fuck mode about one month after their scenes started filming was not MarDar's idea of writing for Ejami in some form or fashion?
It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they( SAFE EJOLE) were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded to. So after he eventually dumps her that would leave an opening for EJAMI, because EJ would be pissed at Nicole and Lucas at Sami. Enter what MarDar wanted EJAMI.
I don't think it was for EJami. I think it was so they couldn't put Rafe and Carrie in a romantic entanglement. It MAY have been to put Lumi together but I'm not sure about the timeline. I thought MarDar had been tweeting clues that BD would be making a return before anything official was announced. I also think they were toying with the idea of Nicole-Rafe and Nicole-Dan probably at Ari Zucker's suggestion (maybe not specifically). Just like how she's been throwing it out there that Eric Brady should come back. It seems to me that the main reason for having Ejami become friendly is that Will can flip his lid and call her a whore, cause some conflict for Lumi.

I do think they used the "beast sex" to spice things up but I don't think it was part of their master plan to put Ejami together.
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she forgave ONE person fully, and it took her over a year and a half to do that. Compare that with how easily she forgave Ej and trusted him in 2007 after the rape. It's mind blowing stupid IMHO.
She forgave John, Marlena and Kate as well. Yes, she brought up the things they did again when it suited her, but she's done the same exact thing to EJ.
She hasn't forgiven Kate at all. She still has issues with Marlena and John. It's the quick turn around that bothers however, with all these people we are mentioning she spent DECADES hating them, she spent all but a hot minute hating, fearing Ej before she turn around and trusted him and forgave him.
She absolutely did make peace with Kate, John and Marlena. She took it back later, just like she's reneged on forgiving EJ, but it did happen.
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It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they( SAFE EJOLE) were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded to. So after he eventually dumps her that would leave an opening for EJAMI, because EJ would be pissed at Nicole and Lucas at Sami. Enter what MarDar wanted EJAMI.
I don't think it was for EJami. I think it was so they couldn't put Rafe and Carrie in a romantic entanglement. It MAY have been to put Lumi together but I'm not sure about the timeline. I thought MarDar had been tweeting clues that BD would be making a return before anything official was announced. I also think they were toying with the idea of Nicole-Rafe and Nicole-Dan probably at Ari Zucker's suggestion (maybe not specifically). Just like how she's been throwing it out there that Eric Brady should come back. It seems to me that the main reason for having Ejami become friendly is that Will can flip his lid and call her a whore, cause some conflict for Lumi.
I think BD was brought back to finally settle the score btwn EJAMI vs LUMI. As I said they did not care to write for him. EJ was in Lucas role as father (husband I think they were going there) and confidant. Do I agree with it? Hell no but I am not going to say that they werent doing all of that to not put EJAMI together on top of a paternity change for EJ. EJ would get Sami and then Autumn would have likely been brought on which I will be really surprised if TomSell now do.
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I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch


I actually don't think this is true. It would have been if the baby had been stolen from a heroic couple. There's no way to fit a story involving only villains with soaps101. That doesn't have to be a bd thing, but it has been for the last few years because Days doesn't seem to be following any formula, not even a new, original one. They just throw everything against a wall and don't even bother I hang around to see if anything stuck. You can see that all over these spoilers, not just in the ones for these idiots. It's a problem on every single age group and it has been since at least 2008...I might even argue since 2004.
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She forgave John, Marlena and Kate as well. Yes, she brought up the things they did again when it suited her, but she's done the same exact thing to EJ.
She hasn't forgiven Kate at all. She still has issues with Marlena and John. It's the quick turn around that bothers however, with all these people we are mentioning she spent DECADES hating them, she spent all but a hot minute hating, fearing Ej before she turn around and trusted him and forgave him.
She absolutely did make peace with Kate, John and Marlena. She took it back later, just like she's reneged on forgiving EJ, but it did happen.
Even to make peace with them it took years it not the case was with ej
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Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they( SAFE EJOLE) were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded to. So after he eventually dumps her that would leave an opening for EJAMI, because EJ would be pissed at Nicole and Lucas at Sami. Enter what MarDar wanted EJAMI.
I don't think it was for EJami. I think it was so they couldn't put Rafe and Carrie in a romantic entanglement. It MAY have been to put Lumi together but I'm not sure about the timeline. I thought MarDar had been tweeting clues that BD would be making a return before anything official was announced. I also think they were toying with the idea of Nicole-Rafe and Nicole-Dan probably at Ari Zucker's suggestion (maybe not specifically). Just like how she's been throwing it out there that Eric Brady should come back. It seems to me that the main reason for having Ejami become friendly is that Will can flip his lid and call her a whore, cause some conflict for Lumi.
I think BD was brought back to finally settle the score btwn EJAMI vs LUMI. As I said they did not care to write for him. EJ was in Lucas role as father husband I think they were going there and confidant. Do I agree with it hell no but I am not going to say that they werent doing all of that to not put EJAMI together. EJ would get Sami and then Autumn would have likely been brought on which I will be really surprised if TomSell now do.
What score? The shooting at the Black Wedding?

I think MarDar had every intention for incorporating Lucas but at the end of the day I don't think the writers are very inspired by the character to give him anything more meaningful than what we've been seeing. I don't care for Ejill but it does seem like there more entertainment value in those two together.
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I don't think it was for EJami. I think it was so they couldn't put Rafe and Carrie in a romantic entanglement. It MAY have been to put Lumi together but I'm not sure about the timeline. I thought MarDar had been tweeting clues that BD would be making a return before anything official was announced. I also think they were toying with the idea of Nicole-Rafe and Nicole-Dan probably at Ari Zucker's suggestion (maybe not specifically). Just like how she's been throwing it out there that Eric Brady should come back. It seems to me that the main reason for having Ejami become friendly is that Will can flip his lid and call her a whore, cause some conflict for Lumi.
I think BD was brought back to finally settle the score btwn EJAMI vs LUMI. As I said they did not care to write for him. EJ was in Lucas role as father husband I think they were going there and confidant. Do I agree with it hell no but I am not going to say that they werent doing all of that to not put EJAMI together. EJ would get Sami and then Autumn would have likely been brought on which I will be really surprised if TomSell now do.
What score? The shooting at the Black Wedding?

I think MarDar had every intention for incorporating Lucas but at the end of the day I don't think the writers are very inspired by the character to give him anything more meaningful than what we've been seeing.
That and probably a redux of the triangle, that EJ was going to win this time.
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It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded.
I"m starting to believe that Lucas was NOT a plan of MarDar's.....they likely didn't want him back (notice the writing they are giving him, it's nothing).....and they didn't bring him back with the original group of vets for the reset. Not that I'm complaining seeing what occurred with the majority of those characters and how they are gone now....but I'm starting to think that Lucas' return was more of a Meng decision based on the book tour feedback but they held off a bit on him because Will's storyline didn't kick off immediately at the time of the reset.
Well going by that, how is Bryan safe when Tomlin is back writing? I don't see why history won't repeat itself.
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I think BD was brought back to finally settle the score btwn EJAMI vs LUMI. As I said they did not care to write for him. EJ was in Lucas role as father husband I think they were going there and confidant. Do I agree with it hell no but I am not going to say that they werent doing all of that to not put EJAMI together. EJ would get Sami and then Autumn would have likely been brought on which I will be really surprised if TomSell now do.
What score? The shooting at the Black Wedding?

I think MarDar had every intention for incorporating Lucas but at the end of the day I don't think the writers are very inspired by the character to give him anything more meaningful than what we've been seeing.
That and probably a redux of the triangle, that EJ was going to win.
Hmmm, interesting. I'm more inclined to believe pigs will fly before they put Ejami together much less have EJ the villain win/get the girl. (I do like chatting with you, btw.)
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What score? The shooting at the Black Wedding?

I think MarDar had every intention for incorporating Lucas but at the end of the day I don't think the writers are very inspired by the character to give him anything more meaningful than what we've been seeing.
That and probably a redux of the triangle, that EJ was going to win.
Hmmm, interesting. I'm more inclined to believe pigs will fly before they put Ejami together much less have EJ the villain win/get the girl. (I do like chatting with you, btw.)
Same here. :) EJ getting Sami IMO is why MarDar would have then brought on Autumn a part from the fact that she was their creation IMO. I don't see TomSell doing so though.
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Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". MarDar were more willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
But none of that has happened - EJ hasn't dumped Nicole, he hasn't declared undying love for Sami - hell, Nicole hasn't even banged Daniel yet. I think you might be putting the cart way ahead of the horse here.

I don't understand how EJami have been given any sort of 'slow build'. They've shared a few scenes here and there that were friendly and supportive of one another. In the meantime, Sami has jumped into bed with Lucas again and is proclaiming they are now in a relationship. EJ has been adamant with everyone (including Sami) that he wants to be reunited with Nicole I see no slow build - I do see them putting their relationship on friendlier terms and setting up the option to explore pairing them down the road. But nothing we're seeing right now indicates there was any plan by MarDar to make that happen in the forseeable future. There are no longing looks between them. We don't see either of them thinking about the other when they are not together or showing signs of jealousy when they see them with another romantic interest.

If MarDar were writing for EJami then I'm damn glad they're gone - because if and when EJami is ever given a chance I'm going to need a lot more than this if I'm to enjoy it. A lot more. :laugh:
I didn't initially think MarDar were writing for Ejami, but the more I have watched the show, the more I think that might be the case. As an non-Ejami person, my opinion may be skewed of course, but hey - that's gonna happen. But this is my take on what's happened:

That Ejami had deadbabysex was not initially meaningful to me as a pro-Ejami move. I am sure it made lots of Ejamis happy, but I only ever heard it discussed by Sami and EJ as the worst mistake ever, unthinking, what was that, we were not in our right minds, etc. etc. Not exactly the stuff of romance. So I didn't think too much of it, although of course I wasn't glad it happened. Following that you have EJ calling Sami pathetic and asserting that she had the worst the world could offer coming to her. Said some pretty, pretty nasty things. And all before the reveal to Rafe and Nicole about the griefsex, you have Sami clinging on to save the marriage and EJ doing the same with Nicole, I think.

And then the tide slowly begins to change. You have Sami sharing wine with EJ, which is fine, but that making this ridiculous comment about the sex being so good between. Now, it could have been utterly sarcastic, but I don't think it was. Maybe it was that she was slightly tipsy and distraught, but I could not buy her being so damn causal and off the cuff with him, esp. about sex when that's what cost her her marriage. T'was strange.

And then you have other moments and plot developments. EJ buying an apartment for Sami and moving in next door (yes to be near the kids, but I think there are other reasons). Sounds like 2006/7 a little bit. You have him coming over to fix the plumbing and take off his shirt. You have him kissing Sami to prove there is nothing between them (what the hell kind of logical test is that??) You have EJ over and over again being comforted by Sami -- when he rushed in to see the kids that one time and they watched movies; over Stefano's death. etc. I realize EJ has lost a lot in recent weeks, but I dunno - they do seem like convenient ways to foster some kind of caring, even affectionate feelings between Sami and EJ. If only slightly....but it seemed to me like the beginning of something-ish, esp. b/c it happened so often. You DO have Sami and EJ sharing kind of longing/sweet/affectionate glances -- I am thinking of the time he came over to see the kids and was on the couch with them watching a movie. You have Will coming over to see Sami in her robe and EJ in his undershirt b/c they had just had a food fight or something...? Why did that happen? You have Will's coming out storyline occasioning a Dr. Phil/bonding moment between them, when I still maintain Will's new was not something for Sami to discuss with EJ. You have Stefano suggesting EJ keeps going back to Samanthahhh. You have Stefano's funeral, where Sami says she has never been very good at resisting temptation, and then in comes EJ. And now Lexie's memorial service and an Ejami dance. You have Sami saying things like, "no way we can be together, we are toxic for each other' like that isn't prob hinting at something (the classic "we are so wrong, oh but maybe we are so right"). Even this apparent self-awareness between the two of them of how crazy it is that they are starting to become friends again. That is also a bit leading to me, and occasions those kinds of knowing smirks and glances, even hints to a kind of intimacy that I don't want to see. JMO.

As for Sami bedding Lucas, yes, that happened. And they have kissed and it's been wonderful and they are "technically" or something back together. It's not any back together I want to see, it's not the Lumi reunion I wanted, as it really seems like a backdrop against which to show how much more time Sami is spending with EJ. I am almost positive Sami has been in more scenes with EJ than she has Lucas. So I don't really put much stock in their being together at the moment, sadly. They are together, but Sami goes to EJ for help dealing with Will's coming out -- reason for Lumi to argue! Oh, Sami learns that Lucas went to jail for Will, how wonderful, but wait for it. EJ is now also involved with Will as he is blackmailing him. Let's have Sami's gratitude for Lucas devolve into an argument involving this EJ-related s/line and bring the attention back to him!

EJ is adamant about being back with Nicole, yes -- but then you also have him refusing to leave Salem, and Nicole suggesting it is b/c he can't leave Sami. You may disagree that is the reason, but it is another Ejami suggestion put out there. And now Lexie tells or has told EJ that she always thought he and Sami could make a couple, or that he should try to find love, etc. etc....? That seems pretty leading to me too.

So it's all these small things added up to make me think MarDar were building towards Ejami. You might see it as a slow rebuilding of a friendship, and I sorta agree - but I also see it as a first step in building another kind of relationship between them too. Again, maybe I am skewing the facts because of my couple preferences, but that is how I see it.

I can also understand Ejami's feeling like, if THIS was writing for Ejami, that is not the kind of Ejami propping they might want. I can see that, I think. I feel that way as a Lumi fan re: Lucas and Sami getting back together. But, anyway, point is I think MarDar were headed that way. Again, JMO.
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but it's not 'my' version or Aliaron's version of the character. It's the character and how they existed from 93 to 2007......since then she's been out of character during the majority of that run.
Sure if you ignore that Sami forgave people in that time period. I was never just talking about Sami (or EJ) though. All the characters have had periods of inconsistency and been entertaining in spite of it. To use Sami as an example though, it wasn't like her to accept the judge's order that she split her time with Allie 50/50 with Lucas. Weren't you glad that happened, though?
she forgave ONE person fully, and it took her over a year and a half to do that. Compare that with how easily she forgave Ej and trusted him in 2007 after the rape. It's mind blowing stupid IMHO.
She did not easily forgave Ej, He apologized more then once, I don't see why it must take her a century to forgive a rape, not like it took her centuries, it seems one sided to me. :shrug:
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I disagree EJAMI and CAFE were getting the slow build up under MarDar with the friendship and the late night talks and other contrived tension so Sami gawks at him :eyeroll: Plumbing explosion anyone Ice cube tension for CAFE and the Caustin baby anyone? Lucas Nicole and Austin were eventually going to be thrown to the wolves IMO. The spoiler"Do you think we could ever be happy if we stop trying to kill each other"? Sami saying it was NEVER going to happen". Means it was and thats exactly where MarDar were going. No one is going to convince me otherwise and I'm not even an EJAMI fan.
Soap logic dictated that ejami would have been the rooting couple when Nicole lost her child and kidnapped theirs, too, but that isn't how things turned out is it? It's not that there weren't positive things for ejami, it's that there were positive things for everyone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. When MarDar had Ejole tangoing five minutes after he got her mom killed, nobody said 'this is going too fast! They're clearly doomed!" For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch. Personally, I think that it was GT's love for GG that prevented that from occurring. GT wanted his guy to be the one in the love story with the leading lady and ensured things moved in that direction instead and decided to use EJ as their angst. I thought I remembered that Higley said that her ultimate plan was Ejami in some blog she did, but it didn't ever happen, so obviously, she changed her mind, or someone did it for her and my guess is GT.

Like you said, soap 101 should have dictated in this case that the couple having the baby were the rooting couple, ie Ejole, but given that MarDar seemed intent on copying the previous babyswitch as much as possible, down to Rafe being the same one planning to be daddy to the child, then it's certainly not inconceivable that they were never planning to have Ejole reunite. I think that the reason for the Ejole closeness before was so EJ would have something to lose to make him want to keep the sex a secret. I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.

Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.

Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.

On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
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Soap logic dictated that ejami would have been the rooting couple when Nicole lost her child and kidnapped theirs, too, but that isn't how things turned out is it? It's not that there weren't positive things for ejami, it's that there were positive things for everyone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. When MarDar had Ejole tangoing five minutes after he got her mom killed, nobody said 'this is going too fast! They're clearly doomed!" For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch. Personally, I think that it was GT's love for GG that prevented that from occurring. GT wanted his guy to be the one in the love story with the leading lady and ensured things moved in that direction instead and decided to use EJ as their angst. I thought I remembered that Higley said that her ultimate plan was Ejami in some blog she did, but it didn't ever happen, so obviously, she changed her mind, or someone did it for her and my guess is GT.

Like you said, soap 101 should have dictated in this case that the couple having the baby were the rooting couple, ie Ejole, but given that MarDar seemed intent on copying the previous babyswitch as much as possible, down to Rafe being the same one planning to be daddy to the child, then it's certainly not inconceivable that they were never planning to have Ejole reunite. I think that the reason for the Ejole closeness before was so EJ would have something to lose to make him want to keep the sex a secret. I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.

Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.[/b][/b]
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.

Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.

On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not

with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
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you don't think that throwing Ej and Sami into grunt fuck mode about one month after their scenes started filming was not MarDar's idea of writing for Ejami in some form or fashion?
It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
and for what reason? Back then Lucas wasn't even around, so there was no 'maybe we'll go with Lumi'....what other reason would they have to do that if it wasn't to pair Ejami down the road and use Will witnessing it to jump start his gay storyline.
IIRC, MarDar were giving hints about BD around September. MarDar were probably fantasizing about the LUMI stew montage back then, lol.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:11 PM
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I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch


I actually don't think this is true. It would have been if the baby had been stolen from a heroic couple. There's no way to fit a story involving only villains with soaps101. That doesn't have to be a bd thing, but it has been for the last few years because Days doesn't seem to be following any formula, not even a new, original one. They just throw everything against a wall and don't even bother I hang around to see if anything stuck. You can see that all over these spoilers, not just in the ones for these idiots. It's a problem on every single age group and it has been since at least 2008...I might even argue since 2004.
EJami weren't the villains in that story, though. The story was contrived, but the way it was originally laid out, Sami was keeping the baby from EJ because of something that wasn't his fault. Nicole was keeping the baby from Sami for something that wasn't Sami's fault. There aren't heroes in any baby switch, but their hands were basically clean. And the story was originally ticking off all the points - Sami crying after telling EJ to move on, him reluctantly doing so, Sami telling people she loved EJ in a roundabout way, Ejami bonding over the child they didn't know was theirs etc. Then things changed and the story became about Nicole and Safe.
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It looked like a ploy to get Will to freak out and break up Safe/Ejole.
and for what reason? Back then Lucas wasn't even around, so there was no 'maybe we'll go with Lumi'....what other reason would they have to do that if it wasn't to pair Ejami down the road and use Will witnessing it to jump start his gay storyline.
IIRC, MarDar were giving hints that about BD around September. MarDar were probably fantasizing about the LUMI stew montage back then, lol.
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Since I don't really give a shit who is worshipping Sami's golden vagina, the kiss of death for DOOL will be to make EJami a couple in a heartwarming monogamous relationship. They need this love-hate, push-pull, DiMera-Brady forbidden shit. IMHO this makes the dynamic more entertaining. In this era of non-super couples the Ejami relationship should maybe be kept as frenemies. :shrug:
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone, but those are discounted for some reason. Yet, back before MarDar were let go, this was supposed to have been an ejole story. After all, they do have the baby on the way that they're bonding over and that Nicole hopes grows up to be like its dad. It's Nicole who gets the talking cupcakes and EJ's pleading. When MarDar had Ejole tangoing five minutes after he got her mom killed, nobody said 'this is going too fast! They're clearly doomed!" For all anyone really knows, a couple of months from now we could have been right back where we started with more ejole bones and Sami being cold to EJ. MarDar were pingponging all over the place, so nobody's going to convince me that they cracked their code and know what they were really planning.
I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch. Personally, I think that it was GT's love for GG that prevented that from occurring. GT wanted his guy to be the one in the love story with the leading lady and ensured things moved in that direction instead and decided to use EJ as their angst. I thought I remembered that Higley said that her ultimate plan was Ejami in some blog she did, but it didn't ever happen, so obviously, she changed her mind, or someone did it for her and my guess is GT.

Like you said, soap 101 should have dictated in this case that the couple having the baby were the rooting couple, ie Ejole, but given that MarDar seemed intent on copying the previous babyswitch as much as possible, down to Rafe being the same one planning to be daddy to the child, then it's certainly not inconceivable that they were never planning to have Ejole reunite. I think that the reason for the Ejole closeness before was so EJ would have something to lose to make him want to keep the sex a secret. I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.

Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.[/b][/b]
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.

Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.

On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not

with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs.
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I'm done with this version of Nicole. EJ royally screwed up when he screwed Sami but at least he had a half-way decent excuse for his actions and was technically single at the time. Nicole is out of excuses. :flipoff:
Isn't Nicole now single. At least their divorce is now official. When EJ cheated, the papers were not filed. He left from signing the papers straight to griefsex with Sami. As far as Nicole is concerned she wants nothing more to do with EJ and has told him so, so she is pretty much free to be with whomever she wants to be with. Wish she wasn't going to have sex while being pregnant with EJ's child but, I also wish that EJ never cheated on her, but he not only did it once, he has done it twice and apart from pleading with her to come back to him, has done nothing to prove to her that she is his one and only. Shacking up next door to the person he cheated on her with does not help his situation and you would think he would be smart enough to know this.

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