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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
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Jun 20 2012, 02:43 PM
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OT: I'm amazed at how well people articulate themselves so quickly!
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Jun 20 2012, 02:43 PM
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I think they were planning on using Lucas as an interloper to Ejami. Why else hook up Lumi so fast then have Sami lusting after and almost kissing Ej? All while with Lucas.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:43 PM
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I agree that according to soap 101 Ejami should have gotten back together at the culmination of the babyswitch
I actually don't think this is true. It would have been if the baby had been stolen from a heroic couple. There's no way to fit a story involving only villains with soaps101. That doesn't have to be a bd thing, but it has been for the last few years because Days doesn't seem to be following any formula, not even a new, original one. They just throw everything against a wall and don't even bother I hang around to see if anything stuck. You can see that all over these spoilers, not just in the ones for these idiots. It's a problem on every single age group and it has been since at least 2008...I might even argue since 2004.
EJami weren't the villains in that story, though. The story was contrived, but the way it was originally laid out, Sami was keeping the baby from EJ because of something that wasn't his fault. Nicole was keeping the baby from Sami for something that wasn't Sami's fault. There aren't heroes in any baby switch, but their hands were basically clean. And the story was originally ticking off all the points - Sami crying after telling EJ to move on, him reluctantly doing so, Sami telling people she loved EJ in a roundabout way, Ejami bonding over the child they didn't know was theirs etc. Then things changed and the story became about Nicole and Safe. I know this will come as a shock but I don't agree at all (and keep on mind I hated that whole story). I'll argue with you about some other more relevant time, though.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:45 PM
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- Jun 20 2012, 02:42 PM
As far as Nicole is concerned she wants nothing more to do with EJ and has told him so, so she is pretty much free to be with whomever she wants to be with. Yup, she's free to screw every Tom, Dick and Harry she wants to and she probably will.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:45 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.
Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.[/b][/b]
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.
Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.
On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs. i do not call photoshoot crumbs for ej and sami . if alison whould have photoshoot with bryan too it will be diffrent case
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Jun 20 2012, 02:47 PM
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- Jun 20 2012, 02:43 PM
I think they were planning on using Lucas as an interloper to Ejami. Why else hook up Lumi so fast then have Sami lusting after and almost kissing Ej? All while with Lucas. Yep and add to that him calling her out on not resolving her feelings for EJ and I have to say the way MarDar wrote it she was cleary not resolving anything but jumping into another relationship way too fast that would come back to bite her. He even called her out on still being with Rafe and "not giving him the time of day" had Rafe not dumped her. Typical Sami though she can never be alone and was desperate to have someone so she got back together with Lucas who came back with the intention of doing just that. Unfortunately Sami got back with him for the wrong reasons unlike Lucas who loves only her. The same can't be said of Sami anymore. She is fickle and needy.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:51 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- Jun 20 2012, 01:27 PM
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While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". MarDar were more willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
But none of that has happened - EJ hasn't dumped Nicole, he hasn't declared undying love for Sami - hell, Nicole hasn't even banged Daniel yet. I think you might be putting the cart way ahead of the horse here. I don't understand how EJami have been given any sort of 'slow build'. They've shared a few scenes here and there that were friendly and supportive of one another. In the meantime, Sami has jumped into bed with Lucas again and is proclaiming they are now in a relationship. EJ has been adamant with everyone (including Sami) that he wants to be reunited with Nicole I see no slow build - I do see them putting their relationship on friendlier terms and setting up the option to explore pairing them down the road. But nothing we're seeing right now indicates there was any plan by MarDar to make that happen in the forseeable future. There are no longing looks between them. We don't see either of them thinking about the other when they are not together or showing signs of jealousy when they see them with another romantic interest. If MarDar were writing for EJami then I'm damn glad they're gone - because if and when EJami is ever given a chance I'm going to need a lot more than this if I'm to enjoy it. A lot more. :laugh:
I didn't initially think MarDar were writing for Ejami, but the more I have watched the show, the more I think that might be the case. As an non-Ejami person, my opinion may be skewed of course, but hey - that's gonna happen. But this is my take on what's happened: That Ejami had deadbabysex was not initially meaningful to me as a pro-Ejami move. I am sure it made lots of Ejamis happy, but I only ever heard it discussed by Sami and EJ as the worst mistake ever, unthinking, what was that, we were not in our right minds, etc. etc. Not exactly the stuff of romance. So I didn't think too much of it, although of course I wasn't glad it happened. Following that you have EJ calling Sami pathetic and asserting that she had the worst the world could offer coming to her. Said some pretty, pretty nasty things. And all before the reveal to Rafe and Nicole about the griefsex, you have Sami clinging on to save the marriage and EJ doing the same with Nicole, I think. And then the tide slowly begins to change. You have Sami sharing wine with EJ, which is fine, but that making this ridiculous comment about the sex being so good between. Now, it could have been utterly sarcastic, but I don't think it was. Maybe it was that she was slightly tipsy and distraught, but I could not buy her being so damn causal and off the cuff with him, esp. about sex when that's what cost her her marriage. T'was strange. And then you have other moments and plot developments. EJ buying an apartment for Sami and moving in next door (yes to be near the kids, but I think there are other reasons). Sounds like 2006/7 a little bit. You have him coming over to fix the plumbing and take off his shirt. You have him kissing Sami to prove there is nothing between them (what the hell kind of logical test is that??) You have EJ over and over again being comforted by Sami -- when he rushed in to see the kids that one time and they watched movies; over Stefano's death. etc. I realize EJ has lost a lot in recent weeks, but I dunno - they do some like convenient ways to foster some kind of caring, even affectionate feelings between Sami and EJ. If only slightly....but it seemed to me like the beginning of something-ish, esp. b/c it happened so often. You DO have Sami and EJ sharing kind of longing/sweet/affectionate glances -- I am thinking of the time he came over to see the kids and was on the couch with them watching a movie. You have Will coming over to see Sami in her robe and EJ in his undershirt b/c they had just had a food fight or something...? Why did that happen? You have Will's coming out storyline occasioning a Dr. Phil/bonding moment between them, when I still maintain Will's new was not something for Sami to discuss with EJ. You have Stefano suggesting EJ keeps going back to Samanthahhh. You have Stefano's funeral, where Sami says she has never been very good at resisting temptation, and then in comes EJ. And now Lexie's memorial service and an Ejami dance. You have Sami saying things like, "no way we can be together, we are toxic for each other' like that isn't prob hinting at something (the classic "we are so wrong, oh but maybe we are so right"). Even this apparent self-awareness between the two of them of how crazy it is that they are starting to become friends again. That is also a bit leading to me, and occasions those kinds of knowing smirks and glances, even hints to a kind of intimacy that I don't want to see. JMO. As for Sami bedding Lucas, yes, that happened. And they have kissed and it's been wonderful and they are "technically" or something back together. It's not any back together I want to see, it's not the Lumi reunion I wanted, as it really seems like a backdrop against which to show how much more time Sami is spending with EJ. I am almost positive Sami has been in more scenes with EJ than she has Lucas. So I don't really put much stock in their being together at the moment, sadly. They are together, but Sami goes to EJ for help dealing with Will's coming out -- reason for Lumi to argue! Oh, Sami learns that Lucas went to jail for EJ, how wonderful, but wait for it. EJ is now also involved with Will as he is blackmailing him. Let's have Sami's gratitude for Lucas devolve into an argument involving this EJ-related s/line and bring the attention back to him! EJ is adamant about being back with Nicole, yes -- but then you also have him refusing to leave Salem, and Nicole suggesting it is b/c he can't leave Sami. You may disagree that is the reason, but it is another Ejami suggestion put out there. And now Lexie tells or has told EJ that she always thought he and Sami could make a couple, or that he should try to find love, etc. etc....? That seems pretty leading to me too. So it's all these small things added up to make me think MarDar were building towards Ejami. You might see it as a slow rebuilding of a friendship, and I sorta agree - but I also see it as a first step in building another kind of relationship between them too. Again, maybe I am skewing the facts because of my couple preferences, but that is how I see it. I can also understand Ejami's feeling like, if THIS was writing for Ejami, that is not the kind of Ejami propping they might want. I can see that, I think. I feel that way as a Lumi fan re: Lucas and Sami getting back together. But, anyway, point is I think MarDar were headed that way. Again, JMO. Good post - I agree with most of it. As I said in my previous post I think MarDar were building a foundation to explore the option of putting EJami together romantically at some point - but I don't think they were going to act on it anytime soon. If there is one thing they've not been good at it's subtlety...once it was decided they were going with Cafe we get them rubbing themselves down with ice cubes in the winter and dressing in those silly costumes and learning a special dance together. It was abundantly clear where they were going almost as soon as they started down that path. Same thing with Bradison. And Abby/Cameron. Even the reunion of EJole came on like gang busters - one week EJ is viscerating Nicole to Brady at the Pub and the next week he's setting it up to share champagne and dance a tango at Chez Rouge.
I don't deny the recent thaw between EJami sets up the potential to put them together down the road but I'm not convinced it was really MarDar that wanted to go there. We've heard a lot of talk about interference from NBC or whomever so it stands to reason to me the recent changes in the EJami dynamic came from someone other than MarDar. I'm not usually one to theorize this stuff too much because at the end of the day none of us will ever know unless MarDar give us a big interview.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:52 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple.On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.
Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.
On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs.
i do not call photoshoot crumbs for ej and sami . if alison whould have photoshoot with bryan too it will be diffrent case I wasn't talking about the photo shoot, but about the descriptions of the almost kiss and the sex that were used back when they were first spoiled. As for the shoot, it's a positive sign, but it's in no way a guarantee, as anyone who's familiar with some of the photo shoots Days has done, knows.
Lysie, let's just agree that I'm right on this and move on.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:55 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.
Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.[/b][/b]
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.
Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.
On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs. I already wrote this in my probably-too-long-for-anyone-to-read post, but I think Lumi 1) was symptomatic of MarDar's fanbase writing or quick insta pairing/reunion writing and 2) for this discussion, was used as a way to highlight Ejami, essentially. Have Sami be back together with Lucas, but seemingly spending lots more time with EJ and having conversations with him she maybe should but will not have with Lucas. Have her be back together with Lucas, but when she says something like I can never resist temptation, have EJ be the person that is suggestively cut to (not Lucas). Have her share these smirks and glances with EJ - but, wait a tic, isn't she with Lucas?? Interesting that she is spending so much time with EJ then.......etc. etc. Cast Ejami as something forbidden or something EJ and Sami are not ready to admit b/c it is just so unspoken and sexy. But have Lumi get back together in two seconds. Paints the former as something attention-meriting, and Lumi as disposable. That contrast right there at least partially favors Ejami, in my pretty biased opinion.
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Jun 20 2012, 02:58 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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I'm done with this version of Nicole. EJ royally screwed up when he screwed Sami but at least he had a half-way decent excuse for his actions and was technically single at the time. Nicole is out of excuses. :flipoff:
Isn't Nicole now single. At least their divorce is now official. When EJ cheated, the papers were not filed. He left from signing the papers straight to griefsex with Sami. As far as Nicole is concerned she wants nothing more to do with EJ and has told him so, so she is pretty much free to be with whomever she wants to be with. Wish she wasn't going to have sex while being pregnant with EJ's child but, I also wish that EJ never cheated on her, but he not only did it once, he has done it twice and apart from pleading with her to come back to him, has done nothing to prove to her that she is his one and only. Shacking up next door to the person he cheated on her with does not help his situation and you would think he would be smart enough to know this. Is the EJole divorce official? I thought Daniel just said to Victor the other day that EJole 'are getting a divorce'. My assumption was it hasn't happened yet.
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Jun 20 2012, 03:02 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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Yes it it did break up SAFE And EJOLE because they were on the road to putting EJAMI together. Otherwise they could have PICKED ANYONE else for them to fuck but EJAMI fucking each other under MarDar ensured they were over permenantly and Lucas was likely to be cheated on again as the many warnings he got from others that she would alluded.
I"m starting to believe that Lucas was NOT a plan of MarDar's.....they likely didn't want him back (notice the writing they are giving him, it's nothing).....and they didn't bring him back with the original group of vets for the reset. Not that I'm complaining seeing what occurred with the majority of those characters and how they are gone now....but I'm starting to think that Lucas' return was more of a Meng decision based on the book tour feedback but they held off a bit on him because Will's storyline didn't kick off immediately at the time of the reset.
Well going by that, how is Bryan safe when Tomlin is back writing? I don't see why history won't repeat itself. I don't know, I'm not saying he's completely safe but I don't think he's in any more danger than anyone else. Look what happened with PR. MarDar didn't want to write for Matt and now he's gone....maybe it's the fact that NBC doesn't want to get rid of all their vets? Especially those that could pass off as the character being in his 30s? I'm also not going to discount some of BD's own behavior when it comes to what occurred back then. He's admitted it openly and honestly and taken the fault for his actions and maybe the treatment of Lucas as a result of that behavior BTS. Who knows, but at least I have hope that TomSell will do something with him. You know....we do forget that at first they were willing to write something for Lucas away from Sami, that explains the entire shitastic Chloe pairing for him....it went to hell in a handbasket quickly, but I seriously think that they were just mismatched, what could have happened if they actually had chemistry and were give some rootable writing? Who knows. BD and NB had absolutely no chemistry and to top it all off, NB had other large fanbases that were waiting for her with Philip or her with Brady and could care less about a new pairing for her especially with both of those men on canvas.
Sure Tomsell doesn't give me much confidence, but also I have to keep telling myself, 'he's not in full control'...and I learned from experience, when Dena returned I thought she would write for Lumi, after all she started writing their love story before she got canned in 2003, boy was I wrong......sort of the same thing now....he might not write for Safe, he might write for Ejami or Lumi....who knows...he's not in full control this time around.
I guess we'll just see what happens.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.
Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.[/b][/b]
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.
Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.
On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs. because since Sami had never chosen Ej over Lucas, the idea was to showcase once and for all that she chose him over Lucas. With Rafe she obviously says she didn't want to be with Ej, but she ended up screwing him instead of her husband the day that Johnny was thought dead. When Lucas came back from prison she ran from Ej and begged Lucas back for MONTHS, until HE finally ended it. Sami and Lucas never had closer, IMHO that is what MarDar was thinking of writing before they went with Ejami.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple.On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.
Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.
On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs.
I already wrote this in my probably-too-long-for-anyone-to-read post, but I think Lumi 1) was symptomatic of MarDar's fanbase writing or quick insta pairing/reunion writing and 2) for this discussion, was used as a way to highlight Ejami, essentially. Have Sami be back together with Lucas, but seemingly spending lots more time with EJ and having conversations with him she maybe should but will not have with Lucas. Have her be back together with Lucas, but when she says something like I can never resist temptation, have EJ be the person that is suggestively cut to (not Lucas). Have her share these smirks and glances with EJ - but, wait a tic, isn't she with Lucas?? Interesting that she is spending so much time with EJ then.......etc. etc. Cast Ejami as something forbidden or something EJ and Sami are not ready to admit b/c it is just so unspoken and sexy. But have Lumi get back together in two seconds. Paints the former as something attention-meriting, and Lumi as disposable. That contrast right there at least partially favors Ejami, in my pretty biased opinion. I agree with 1, 100%. 2 is certainly a possibility, but I don't think we're ever going to know whether or not that was actually the plan. A few hypotheticals - did lumi get less airtime than ejami because of fanbase agenda or because EJ has been slated to carry the show, per Corday? The ejami sex burst onto the scene just as quickly as things like the Saustin attraction scene, Nicole's sudden realization that she wanted Rafe (the her sudden realization that sleeping with Daniel was the right thing to do), EJ's decision to woo Nicole, etc. To me it all screams "we have no plan whatsoever," but of course, ymmv.
LL, I see your point and maybe it's just my bias, but I just can't see anyone caring about that enough to figure there needed to be a story about it. The same point would have been made if ejami got together while Lucas, Rafe and Nicole were available and in town.
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I'm done with this version of Nicole. EJ royally screwed up when he screwed Sami but at least he had a half-way decent excuse for his actions and was technically single at the time. Nicole is out of excuses. :flipoff:
Isn't Nicole now single. At least their divorce is now official. When EJ cheated, the papers were not filed. He left from signing the papers straight to griefsex with Sami. As far as Nicole is concerned she wants nothing more to do with EJ and has told him so, so she is pretty much free to be with whomever she wants to be with. Wish she wasn't going to have sex while being pregnant with EJ's child but, I also wish that EJ never cheated on her, but he not only did it once, he has done it twice and apart from pleading with her to come back to him, has done nothing to prove to her that she is his one and only. Shacking up next door to the person he cheated on her with does not help his situation and you would think he would be smart enough to know this.
Is the EJole divorce official? I thought Daniel just said to Victor the other day that EJole 'are getting a divorce'. My assumption was it hasn't happened yet. The papers were signed by both parties and Nicole specifically told EJ that she has filed them so there is no longer anything binding them together. Is Daniel saying to Victor, that she is getting a divorce, the writers way of saying that EJole are still married. Don't know! We never heard Nicole discuss her marital status with Daniel, but as usual more things that should be seen on screen occuring off screen. I wish they would make up their minds, the stories and characters continue to be all over the place. I would think that ithis is important information the audience should know, especially if they have the characters having sex with other people. We also have no idea if Sami and Rafe are still married or are they expecting us to assume that because she had sex with Lucas, they are now divorced.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeveryone I find it somewhat interesting that those that seem to think it was MarDar's plan to go with Ejami are non-supporters of the couple, while those that seem to doubt that are supporters of the couple. Perhaps a once bitten twice shy thing, I don't know. Personally, I do think they were planning to go with Ejami for all the reasons others have stated. I think that EJ still wanting Nicole and begging her to come back was to not make him look like such a dick when for when Ejami got back together. Have Nicole act in a despicable and disgusting fashion so people wouldn't want EJ with her. Make Rafe forget about his love for Sami on a dime and be all about Carrie, turning people off of wanting Safe to reunite. Then the the dialogue from others about EJ and Sami being in denial of their feelings, the multiple times they've said that if they got back together it would be a disaster, the being each other's sounding board, the constant run ins, etc. It seems obvious to me that all of that was done to make EJami more rootable as MarDar brought them back together. Now whether they then planned to pull the rug out from under them 2-3 months later is another story, given that seemed to be their storyline turnaround time, but I do think they were planning to put them together.
Regarding the EJole tango, I remember plenty of people saying that the Ejole reconnection was happening too fast. It's that MarDar 3 month thing. Sep-Nov Ejole working together then sleeping together in Nov, then Ejami sex at the end of Nov, then Ejole and Safe together for 3 months while Ejami kept their secret until the reveal at the end of Feb, then we had the Nicole/Rafe cover up and now 3 months later, it seems Nicole is moving to being involved with Dan as her co-conspirator and love interest. It's been mentioned before and I agree. Every 3 months there is some shift in story.[/b][/b]
On the bold, I think that its in the non ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the thing that got MarDar kicked out. That means the story will die with them. As I mentioned earlier, there were a lot of people who were confident that this was an ejole/lumi story too until the leaks about network interference came out. I can't be the only person who remembers the rampant speculation that MarDar's plan was to kill ejami once and for all by making them cousins.
Conversely, it's in the ejami fans' best interest that ejami was the story NBC wanted to be told. And the 'once bitten, twice shy' thing plays a huge part for me. I'm happy for the crumbs, but they've danced around ejami so much that I'm not going to believe they're going there until I see a mutual declaration of love when there's no secrets or third wheels waiting in the wings. Then last, but not least, MarDar jumped around so much that afaic, the only couple we can know for sure was their rooting couple was WilSon, because there is literally nobody else on canvas for them to date.
On the tango, I remember people thinking ejole was moving too fast, but I don't remember anyone arguing that this clearly meant that they were just a plot point and I think it's strange that it was 'obviously' a plot point all along now, when a few months ago, it was 'obviously' just the opposite. People have mentioned the pattern you see before, but istm that if everyone is doing musical pairs every three months, it would follow that nobody is really the rooting couple. If that was the case wouldn't the only real plan be to string every fanbase along?
if lumi was the story for mardr they would not have sami and ej almost kiss[the cut scences] in the same day she sleep with lucas and barley remember if they couple now or not with cafe you know they want each other and so with bradison
Okay, so why isn't the reverse true? If ejami was the story, why did lumi have sex? Heck, why was there a lumi? Putting them together advanced nothing and only served to give the lumis something to cheer over. Plus, I clearly remember it being said that the lumis were getting the bones and ejamis were getting the crumbs. Given what we've seen of their writing, the plan most likely was to string each fanbase along. Maybe they didn't see it as stringing them along, but giving each of them some time. They put Ejole together for a while. They allowed Safe to stay together for a while. They've put Lumi together for a while (although quite unsatisfactorily IMO and I am not a fan of them) and I think they would have done the same with Ejami. However, I think for Ejami, given that the more recent history between them was so negative and they hadn't even been in each other's orbits much, it's something that they felt they had to take more time with and more set up with to accomplish (per that interview they did when asked about that pairing). I don't think that Ejami was necessarily some end game that they were working towards and never going to break up, like GT seemed to be with Safe, I do think they were planning to give the Ejami fanbase some time, like they did with the other couples. Of course we'll never know for sure.
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I guess I saw something different. They seem to spend maybe a whole episode of Sami trying to lift EJ's spirits and seeing the silver lining in his father's death, while understanding his relationship with this father. I don't expect it to be extremely huggy and whatnot, considering their relationship at the moment, but comforting? I think so. And I would figure death of a sister >>> finding out EJ blackmailed her kid in terms of importance for the moment. It wouldn't surprise me if she is upset but is respectful to a degree due to the circumstances.
Sami only holds grudges when Sami wants to, and when she's done she's done until she wants to again. It's not like she hasn't done stuff to EJ because of her grudges. Obviously, she doesn't want to hold a grudge against EJ now, for whatever reason. This is nothing new. I like how they were at Stefano's funeral. I thought it was well done. The best part for me was when Sami said, (paraphrasing) "careful, EJ, it almost sounds like we're friends" and EJ said "I wouldn't go that far" and gave her that cute, friendly wink. They have them recognizing how even they think it's crazy they could get to this place again. They are enjoying each other's company in spite of themselves. I love that dynamic right now and to me it does make sense, because they don't have them just pretending like this isn't surprising them both. It is.
I disagree with your first sentence. The ONLY person that I can say with certainty that Sami has forgiven completely and forgotten about all the bad blood between them is Lucas. Aside from that Sami is still holding grudges with virtually everyone she was holding grudges with over 10 years ago. She still can't stand John, she has her beef with Carrie and Marlena, she has her issues with Kate. But with Ej, it's never actually made sense for her to be fine one minute and then hating on him the next and then back to fine, etc. After over a decade of fighting custody battles for Will, lying and scheming to get him away from Lucas for no reason other than to try to trap Austin with the idea of being around for Will, she does NOTHING like that with Ej. She gives him Johnny as if he deserved a prize for his behavior. It's so freaking out of character it's ridiculous....look how it is that the ONLY way that Sami was able to get full custody of both Johnny and Syd was when Ej GAVE it to her. Maybe she finally learnt that fighting with your childrens father would just mean you lost your child in the end and decided the fight wasn't worth it.
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The spoilers never mentioned E.J. with Sami at Stefano's funeral actually.
Why is Sami ruined? Because she is back in E.J.'s orbit, slowly moving away from Lucas?
E.J. might be blackmailing Will, but he is the one who keeps wanting to be around E.J. He didn't have to accept E.J. bailing him out, but he did. And he is helping Will beat the charges. Why should Sami be mad at E.J.? Will himself is apparently mad at his mother for confronting E.J. E.J. and Will have something going on that doesn't involve Sami and so far, their dynamics has done wonders for Will. I can see her not holding it against E.J., who has been there for Will according to himself.
Funny how Sami wasn't ruined when she shot E.J.!
It's MY opinion that Sami is ruined and it's not just because she's moving into Ej's orbit now and away from Lucas'...I've felt this way back in 2007 when I didn't see Sami fight for custody of Johnny, when I saw Sami forgive and trust Ej wasy too easily after she had trouble forgiving Lucas, Kate, Marlena, John and others who she perceived 'wronged' her. She never went out for revenge against Ej back then and her attempts at 'getting back at him' were stupid, it was more about protecting her kid, than getting revenge on Ej. I know that Sami is capable of shooting people to kill them, she did it to Lucas and Kate before, so no I don't perceive that as something that would ruin her character, for the reasons I stated above and because Ej had it coming FOR YEARS, IMHO. Was the timing of it a bit off? Maybe, I think it would have played out more if she would have done it around 2007, but hey, nothing about this show has made sense for about 5 years so I don't expect it to make sense now all of a sudden. Sami by nature is not a forgiving person.....she doesn't forgive many people and she doesn't do it often. The fact that she's fine with Ej blackmailing her son, not once but twice is NOT in character for her. So yeah, it's strange and I don't give a flip if Will wants to be around Ej....since when has that stopped Sami....what other people wanted was never a concern for her.
I think Sami's happy Will is speaking to her again and she doesn't want to rock the boat with him. He's out of jail and she's grateful for that. It's a "never look a gift horse in the mouth" kind of thing. Ultimately, EJ has helped Will and he's done some things that were not to the benefit of Will. Will did need someone to take a firm hand with him. Usually when young people are spinning out of control they subconsciously want someone to reign them back in. When they're confused about their place in the world, there is comfort in someone setting clear boundaries. Is blackmail the recommended way to do so, of course not. But EJ got Will to stop running around scattered, and to focus in the only way EJ knows how. By laying down the law and negative reinforcement. But because of EJ's experience with father/son relationships, he used money and power as a positive reinforcement, which is wrong. But that's what Stefano gave him for being a good boy. EJ took Will as-is, set boundries and expectations, and followed through with consequences when Will crossed the lines. He rewarded Will money, but also with his affection and trust. EJ did the right thing in his own fucked up way. The only other person doing anything for Will was Marlena. Between her unconditional love and EJ's clear boundaries Will ended up better off than he would have been with his own parents. Sami is lousy at unconditional love, and Lucas is lousy about setting boundaries and standards for acceptable behavior and following through with consequences. Maybe because lucas didn't have a man do that for him when he was young. Victor didn't bother and Kate encouraged Lucas to run wild. It's impressive he's gotten his life together at all. EJ didnt do a perfect job, but it was more than anything anyone else was doing. If it was left to Sami and Lucas, Will would have run away. His self loathing and heredity would probably have him roaming the streets of Chicago, turning tricks to buy booze and get by. "Why are you still here?" "Because you told me to stay." is not aweful and abusive. Its what Will needs and wants right now. Someone to take enough interest in him to reign him in. That person just happens to be a fucked up and imperfect parent, as we all are to different degrees.
There are ways to do that without Ej blackmailing Will again and again. If he truly had Will's best interest at heart and he cared for Sami then why continue to have Will under his thumb. I just explained that at length, but he's not really blackmailing him now. He clearly just went back to what worked before and has no intention I ever turn Will in. There are a lot of things EJ could hold over Will and Sami if he wanted to just be a bastard. He still had the tape and gun from Sami shooting him. That one actually holds some real threat, the Will shot him thing doesn't really any teeth.
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Since I don't really give a shit who is worshipping Sami's golden vagina, the kiss of death for DOOL will be to make EJami a couple in a heartwarming monogamous relationship. They need this love-hate, push-pull, DiMera-Brady forbidden shit. IMHO this makes the dynamic more entertaining. In this era of non-super couples the Ejami relationship should maybe be kept as frenemies. :shrug: I'm the opposite.... can they either get it together and be a family or can she let EJ go and have a family with someone else (preferably Nicole but would settle for anyone else)
The last thing I want is more years of I want you but you're a Di Mera and not good enough. I think I want you but Rafe/ Lucas is the love of my life so I;ll have you until they become available.
It's time for EJ to settle down, concentrate on becoming a mayor/lawyer/villain/father ... Its time to for Sami to settle down and concentrate on becoming Countess W Ceo/ gymnastics coach/whining vengeful good girl / mother.
Bring in someone new to have the will they / won't they relationship.
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Your argument that this was an ejami story is built on soap logic. "Sami said she and EJ would never get back together, so that clearly meant they would" (or whatever the real quote was) is soap logic. Nicole is sleeping around for EJami's benefit? LOL, she didn't get the name Nichole for nothing. It's not OOC for her to sleep around. The best thing they could have done to benefit ejami would have been to keep her out of EJ's orbit in the first place. Not only did they not do that, they took steps to tie them together forever. All of Mars' tweets are still there and there are no nasty responses to anyone who wrote her with a specific fanbase concern. Complaining ejamis were told that someone would always be upset. The claim that no other writers wanted to write ejami doesn't actually seem to be based on anything.
While Nicole did sleep around in the past it has no baring on the here and now. Sami was NEVER A slut either and they turned her into one. In any case the writing was going in an EJAMI direction with Lucas and Nicole as the temporary angst. He is barely on and only with Sami and Will. I think they were going to bring Autumn on for him there was that NBC poll and as spoilers show they threw Dan at Nicole so EJAMI "get together". NarDar were m,ore willing than ANY other regime to actually put them together and were given as I said the slow build no matter how much they had EJ professsing to want Nicole. Otherwise Dan would not have been inserted into the mix so EJ dumps her and goes running to Sami and professing undying love to her.
I think Nicole doing what Nicole has done for years is extremely relevant. People who wanted Nicole the mommy got what they wanted, and people who liked Nicole the ho are getting that. That doesn't have to have anything to do with ejami and at this point there are no signs that they're going to be connected at all. Lucas has been an afterthought for years and I really doubt anyone was going to hire a woman for him. We're going to have to agree to disagree. How does Nicole now sleeping with one man so far since she is seperated from her husband equate to her being a "ho? That action is no less moral than what Sami or Marlena or Kate have done.
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vettejb
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Jun 20 2012, 05:29 PM
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As far as Nicole is concerned she wants nothing more to do with EJ and has told him so, so she is pretty much free to be with whomever she wants to be with.
Yup, she's free to screw every Tom, Dick and Harry she wants to and she probably will. I'd say now is the time to do it, before the baby comes. We wouldn't want another Will situation because of a slutty mama.
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