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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
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Topic Started: Jun 14 2012, 05:36 PM (77,605 Views)
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Jun 20 2012, 07:01 PM
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In 2008ish or whenever the Irish story took place, I turned off my television on Days forever. I didn't think it possible until Colleen and Santo happened, and I'm IRISH American. I turned off cold turkey and stepped away, free of Days, buy my dad who worked at WB studios for twenty years informed me that there was a writer's strike. Curiosity took hold and I turned back on my characters and town. I was back in. Now I know I can tune in or tune out.
I'd be out forever again next week if these spoilers happen and this personal decision of my own was because of all the EJ/Sami nonsense. I'd peace out without offering a word, but new writers have me curious. If the show continues to air disgusting nonsensel, I can and will tune out. I've done it successfully before, and will again.
To me Ejami was about to happen. Now that there are new writers, I'm curious. If I am dejected and downtrodden, IDC what the future holds... I won't be tuning back.
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Jun 20 2012, 07:25 PM
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I like that the cast is together for Lexie's memorial. Her last goodbye words to the group should be touching.
I'm dying to see Jack in his suit, only if it is for a few minutes of airtime. I am curoius as to their conversation with Kayla wanting a divorce. Should be an interesting convo and if MARDAR were clever, it will let us know more hints as to JnJ's relationship status. I predict it is going to be an eyeopener all round. I'm so digusted over Dicole, it's not funny! Everyday, I ask myself, why is it that Daniel is still on the show and not Jack? I guess Jack doesn't know how to sleep around, that's all I got! Yes! I don't remember seeing anyone ever advocating for Dicole, but many like myself were very pro-Jacole. Jack & Nicole would be awesome. Dr. Tang & Nicole are a puke-fest. Gross! MA is the better actor & IMO the bigger hunk. SC can't compare! :shame:
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Jun 20 2012, 07:30 PM
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I agree that MarDar were writing for EJAMI all along. Other than the grief sex, there were lots of anvils dropped since the reboot that EJAMI was coming. I think the problem was that the EJAMI romance was being written too slowly. And EJAMI fans have been through too much to keep being strung along. This is where I think NBC stepped in. They recognized the popularity of EJAMI and wanted to have more EJAMI interaction. When Lucas returned and we started having Lumi scenes, ratings weren't that great. Granted the boring Alamania story was going on at the same time too. So I agree we were headed toward EJAMI regardless, but NBC has taken more control and is making sure we finally get an EJAMI romance. Thankfully! And hopefully NBC will prevent TomSell from trying to separate EJAMI again. :whack: The thought of seeing more attempts of boring Ejole, Lumi or Safe makes me :puke:
I am not sure how anyone can know for sure what anyone is going to do. From what I have seen on my screens, I am confident in saying I think MarDar were writing for Ejami. But for now, I think it's anyone guess. That MarDar was writing for Ejami and is now out does not portend so well for that pairing, methinks. I know Tomlin loves Safe, so I would bet on a Safe reunion versus anything else, sadly. But I am not confident making any such grand declarations about anything. It's all up for grabs at this point. I think there have been all of two or three Lumi scenes. Not sure how one can conclude anything about Lumi's effect on ratings from that. And there was plenty of other garbage in which those scenes were and continue to be couched, so.... I have a similar visceral reaction to Ejami, which I believe to be cringe-worthy, eye-rolling, etc. But whatever...this kind of talk is so played out at this point. If they do happen in earnest, at least this viewer will be tuning out. It is getting so old anyway. Happen, don't happen - I am not sure any pay-off will be worth all this energy. I am not sure I am even as interested or invested anymore. Let Days just bow out gracefully in a year or so - I am thisclose to being done with the show as it is. Totally agree. No one but tptb and the writers, at this point, know what will happen with Days and couples. I think it is pretty far-fetched to say that this couple or that couple is the one the writers will go with. That is all up for grabs now.
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Jun 20 2012, 07:35 PM
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There is no such thing as a good scenes where the characters are written out of character.
1. A scene does not have to be in character to be entertaining in and of itself. 2. There is no objective standard for whether or not something is in or out of character.
First, clear characteristics exist for characters on this show who haven't been a rewritten mess for five year, aka EJ. To go against the well-established characteristics would clearly be out of character. Which is why Sami not being unforgiving and vicious towards EJ is so wrong. 2, the problem with this show is that they believe that they don't have to write character's in character to write an entertaining show. But to steal a line from Tuvok: Logic is an integral part of narrative structure... a character's actions must flow inexorably from his or her established traits. This :applause: I want to add Soaps should be like Novels on screen with a begining, middle and end. Where we know what the character is thinking and what their motives are and there is some kind of explanation as to why the character is doing what they are doing. It should not be like a dream where you are jumping place to place with no rhyme or reason as to why you got there or your making out with someone you hate for no reason :frustration:
I would go so far as to say if writers want to go the ejami route fine. I will never be a fan or watch or understand this couple I'm NOT saying that but if they want to go there then do it BUT be creative and figure out how to do it with both people in the pairing and everyone around them in character. Do not change how a character acts and thinks or erase the past overnight and expect me to be OK with it. I'm not stupid or desperate do not insult my intelligence. If they would do this with all characters on the show I would stick around and be invested even if I tuned out of the ejami crap. I love Nicole and would watch her SL, I would watch Ej sans the beast, I would maybe get invested in some of the other characters. Anyway thats my opinion and that is why I'm frustrated and have tuned out completely. I hope the new writers do better or I'm out for good.
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1. A scene does not have to be in character to be entertaining in and of itself. 2. There is no objective standard for whether or not something is in or out of character.
First, clear characteristics exist for characters on this show who haven't been a rewritten mess for five year, aka EJ. To go against the well-established characteristics would clearly be out of character. Which is why Sami not being unforgiving and vicious towards EJ is so wrong. 2, the problem with this show is that they believe that they don't have to write character's in character to write an entertaining show. But to steal a line from Tuvok: Logic is an integral part of narrative structure... a character's actions must flow inexorably from his or her established traits.
This :applause: I want to add Soaps should be like Novels on screen with a begining, middle and end. Where we know what the character is thinking and what their motives are and there is some kind of explanation as to why the character is doing what they are doing. It should not be like a dream where you are jumping place to place with no rhyme or reason as to why you got there or your making out with someone you hate for no reason :frustration: I would go so far as to say if writers want to go the ejami route fine. I will never be a fan or watch or understand this couple I'm NOT saying that but if they want to go there then do it BUT be creative and figure out how to do it with both people in the pairing and everyone around them in character. Do not change how a character acts and thinks or erase the past overnight and expect me to be OK with it. I'm not stupid or desperate do not insult my intelligence. If they would do this with all characters on the show I would stick around and be invested even if I tuned out of the ejami crap. I love Nicole and would watch her SL, I would watch Ej sans the beast, I would maybe get invested in some of the other characters. Anyway thats my opinion and that is why I'm frustrated and have tuned out completely. I hope the new writers do better or I'm out for good. :hail: :hail: :hail: MarDar did'nt understand the concept of beginning , middle and end of a story. They over night had characters in insta luv with ZERO indication thats what they were feeling.
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Jun 20 2012, 07:51 PM
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Being a "ho" is not about having sex with someone with whom you are not legally married is it? Surely not. Then I would say the person on the show who became a teen mom would then be considered a "ho" with a son to prove it.
er what? Are you saying having premarital sex makes you a ho? Or being a teen mom makes you a ho? If that's what you are saying, I don't agree with that. However, for arguments sake, lets say that Sami and Marlena ARE hoes, what bearing does that have on Nicole's ho-dom?
Maybe bringing up the word Ho makes some think of Sami right off the bat. I know it does me. ;) E X A C T L Y !!!!!!!!
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Jun 20 2012, 07:58 PM
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I have two theories on this. Cut and dry version (it's hot and I'm lazy, sorry): 1. Mardar and NBC differed on wanting ejami (Mardar didn't, NBC did but wasn't sure about it) and the response from the griefsex prompted NBC to commit them but Mardar was trying to appease them but still do what they really want: ejole/cafe and possibly lumi. Eventually NBC dropped Mardar for a litany or reasons, mostly shitty writing and maybe this ejami thing was a factor. Or not. They bring in someone who they know has experience in the show but still have their list of things they want to go for and ejami is still on that list.
2. Both Mardar and NBC agreed in going for ejami but disagreed on the pace. Mardar wanted slow and steady, maybe a 1-2 year plan and NBC wants things to pick up. NBC was really pushing for it after the response from the griefsex and really started forcing their hand but since they tape 3 months out, any sign of that change came much later hence the wine date and seemingly out of the blue "the sex was so good" from Sami, etc. This continued to be an ongoing problem between them until NBC gave them the boot. Once again, their firing was probably having to do with overall results but maybe it's was Mardar's inability to give them what they wanted sooner that was a factor in their decision. Who knows. But ejami is still on their laundry list and they hired Tomsell who doesn't need a long refresher on Days. I beg to differ based on the last time they were here but I digress.
In either scenario, I think NBC wanted ejami and with the way things are now wanted to push them out there as soon as possible. As first, I wasn't so sure and thought it was just Mardar (or neither) but NBC taking the time, effort and money for those ejami/jamison pics and putting them on the NBC homepage, when they didn't have to do it at all, sealed the deal for me. The timing between the pics/tout and mardar's firing was another red flag. That means that regardless TomSell's preferences, if ejami is one of the things they want (because obviously I don't think this is all they are focused on), it's going on screen, Safe lover or not. I guess they decided to stop teasing like they always do and give ejami a legitimate shot.
Anyway, those are my theories. I'm not sure if we will ever know for sure what happened behind the scenes, unless Mardar writes a tell all like Hackley, but that's what it looks like to me as of right now.
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Jun 20 2012, 08:04 PM
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.
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hey, unless I see one dang spoiler and see it on my tv that we are definitely getting ej and sami, I am not holding my damn breath. Nobody unless they have a freaking crystal ball knows the mind of the writers and tptb. Unless folks have actual BONA FIDE proof that CAN NOT be disputed, then I will not believe we are getting ej and sami until I see it. No one can claim to know what's going down with the writer's. I take a firm wait and see approach. So she comforts him big ass deal. That does not mean romance, neither does some dumb dance at the request of a child. I'll believe it when I see it, until then, nope! :tvwatch:
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Jun 20 2012, 08:23 PM
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I like that the cast is together for Lexie's memorial. Her last goodbye words to the group should be touching.
I'm dying to see Jack in his suit, only if it is for a few minutes of airtime. I am curoius as to their conversation with Kayla wanting a divorce. Should be an interesting convo and if MARDAR were clever, it will let us know more hints as to JnJ's relationship status. I predict it is going to be an eyeopener all round. I'm so digusted over Dicole, it's not funny! Everyday, I ask myself, why is it that Daniel is still on the show and not Jack? I guess Jack doesn't know how to sleep around, that's all I got! Yes! I don't remember seeing anyone ever advocating for Dicole, but many like myself were very pro-Jacole. Jack & Nicole would be awesome. Dr. Tang & Nicole are a puke-fest. Gross! MA is the better actor & IMO the bigger hunk. SC can't compare! :shame: IMO Jack is too plain bread.....no edge, no swag. JMO. So, obviously I would rather have Dacole than Jacole. I would hang with Dan anyday if we are talking strictly about sex appeal. If we are talking about a good man, then Jack wins. But I could be with him in name only because I don't think I could take the plain bread, sweater wearing, bowling, Jay Leno watching, Katie Perry listening attitude that I envision Jack/Matt having by the way he looks. But yes, Jack is the better man. And in rl Dan would be a sleaze and a disgrace. But, on DOOL, I enjoy his hiney-hind!! And thats all that matters, right? :tounge:
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Jun 20 2012, 08:25 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Sami is a ho :laugh: ? She is not the one who has been with most male characters currently on the show :laugh: !
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I think it would be to EVERYONE'S detriment if any decisions regarding writers/producers/whatever were made because of couples. What will end up happening is a writer who doesn't want to write for a couple will get stuck writing for that couple and it will suck worse than anything from before. Whatever the network is pushing, isn't going to be good because the suits at NBC know nothing about the content of Days of Our Lives.
My hope is that their issues are more with making something actually happen and finding another generation to add to the canvas (add to...not replace) that will actually have some staying power. If they have specific demands for characters aside from trying to be more well-rounded demographically, then it won't take long before it all falls apart again.
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Jun 20 2012, 08:39 PM
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er what? Are you saying having premarital sex makes you a ho? Or being a teen mom makes you a ho? If that's what you are saying, I don't agree with that. However, for arguments sake, lets say that Sami and Marlena ARE hoes, what bearing does that have on Nicole's ho-dom?
Maybe bringing up the word Ho makes some think of Sami right off the bat. I know it does me. ;)
I'm really surprised that people don't see Nicole as a ho because that was her whole schtick. Atleast Nicole has a reason for speeping around in the past...her father was an ass and made her do porn. She had no self-confidence and believed that every man was a piece of garbage that would use her. What's Sami's excuse? Oh ya I forgot it's Marlena's fault, like always....silly me!
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Sami is a ho :laugh: ? She is not the one who has been with most male characters currently on the show :laugh: ! Let's see.....Sami (Rafe, Lucas, EJ and Austin)
Nicole.....(Lucas, EJ, Brady, Victor--I wasn't watching during that period but I assume they slept together, Daniel--probably will happen, and it was implied she slept with Roman. So Sami has definately slept with four. Nicole has probably definately slept with four. The only difference is that Sami is a neglectful ho of a mother who put her sexcapades before her children. If and when Nicole becomes a mother and acts as whoreish as Sami I will slam her too. And if I see Sami "suggest" to Will one more time to leave her house so she can have sex with someone I will scream.
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I agree that MarDar were writing for EJAMI all along. Other than the grief sex, there were lots of anvils dropped since the reboot that EJAMI was coming. I think the problem was that the EJAMI romance was being written too slowly. And EJAMI fans have been through too much to keep being strung along. This is where I think NBC stepped in. They recognized the popularity of EJAMI and wanted to have more EJAMI interaction. When Lucas returned and we started having Lumi scenes, ratings weren't that great. Granted the boring Alamania story was going on at the same time too. So I agree we were headed toward EJAMI regardless, but NBC has taken more control and is making sure we finally get an EJAMI romance. Thankfully! And hopefully NBC will prevent TomSell from trying to separate EJAMI again. :whack: The thought of seeing more attempts of boring Ejole, Lumi or Safe makes me :puke:
I am not sure how anyone can know for sure what anyone is going to do. From what I have seen on my screens, I am confident in saying I think MarDar were writing for Ejami. But for now, I think it's anyone guess. That MarDar was writing for Ejami and is now out does not portend so well for that pairing, methinks. I know Tomlin loves Safe, so I would bet on a Safe reunion versus anything else, sadly. But I am not confident making anything such grand declarations about anything. It's all up for grabs at this point. I think there have been all of two or three Lumi scenes. Not sure how one can conclude anything about Lumi's effect on ratings from that. And there was plenty of other garbage in which those scenes were and continue to be couched, so.... I have a similar visceral reaction to Ejami, which I believe to be cringe-worthy, eye-rolling, etc. But whatever...this kind of talk is so played out at this point. If they do happen in earnest, at least this viewer will be tuning out. It is getting so old anyway. Happen, don't happen - I am not sure any pay-off will be worth all this energy. I am not sure I am even as interested or invested anymore. Let Days just bow out gracefully in a year or so - I am thisclose to being done with the show as it is.
hmm, I feel split in terms of what the writers wanted in terms of pairs, there are things that indicate that Ejami was not at all what they wanted, while one can see that from April and up until now there has been positive scenes between EJami to suggest that in the end, they will get back together. The question is, is it really the writers who want to write for EJami or is the case that NBC wants a story with them? It remains to be seen. then why allow TomSell to clearly cut the near kiss that Sydney was suppose to interrupt? I don't get it?
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Now don't come whoopin' my ass at the grocery store cause I picked on your fav on here!
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I don't think Sami is a ho. I don't think Nicole IS a ho. I think Nicole WAS a Ho. LOL
I think she's just horny. Actually, both of them. I wouldn't blame either of them for wanting to shag EJ. I mean come on.... I'd forgive him of anything. Just LOOK AT THAT. ~*~Swoon~*~
They are seriously going to have to do something with Daniel. I wouldn't touch that man with my sisters puss. Jeez.
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Jun 20 2012, 08:46 PM
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hey, unless I see one dang spoiler and see it on my tv that we are definitely getting ej and sami, I am not holding my damn breath. Nobody unless they have a freaking crystal ball knows the mind of the writers and tptb. Unless folks have actual BONA FIDE proof that CAN NOT be disputed, then I will not believe we are getting ej and sami until I see it. No one can claim to know what's going down with the writer's. I take a firm wait and see approach. So she comforts him big ass deal. That does not mean romance, neither does some dumb dance at the request of a child. I'll believe it when I see it, until then, nope! :tvwatch: The dead woman wants them together, Lexie's dying wish is a red flag of what's to come. It's called anvils and they've been obvious and are obvious.
Sticking heads in sands isn't going to change what they're showing on screen.
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Jun 20 2012, 08:49 PM
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Now don't come whoopin' my ass at the grocery store cause I picked on your fav on here!
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This is almost sounding like a Shick / Phick argument like on YnR. :whack: Sami (i.e: Sharon) has slept with this many. Oh yeah? Well Nicole (i.e.: Phyliss) has slept with THIS MANY. So there!
Ugh.
A redundant and pointless argument. :shame:
But anyway...carry on.... :popcorn:
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- Jun 20 2012, 08:45 PM
I don't think Sami is a ho. I don't think Nicole IS a ho. I think Nicole WAS a Ho. LOL
I think she's just horny. Actually, both of them. I wouldn't blame either of them for wanting to shag EJ. I mean come on.... I'd forgive him of anything. Just LOOK AT THAT. ~*~Swoon~*~
They are seriously going to have to do something with Daniel. I wouldn't touch that man with my sisters puss. Jeez. THIS!!! Man JS is certainly HAWT!!!!
Ok carry on peeps!
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Jun 20 2012, 08:51 PM
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- Jun 20 2012, 08:46 PM
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- Jun 20 2012, 08:04 PM
hey, unless I see one dang spoiler and see it on my tv that we are definitely getting ej and sami, I am not holding my damn breath. Nobody unless they have a freaking crystal ball knows the mind of the writers and tptb. Unless folks have actual BONA FIDE proof that CAN NOT be disputed, then I will not believe we are getting ej and sami until I see it. No one can claim to know what's going down with the writer's. I take a firm wait and see approach. So she comforts him big ass deal. That does not mean romance, neither does some dumb dance at the request of a child. I'll believe it when I see it, until then, nope! :tvwatch:
The dead woman wants them together, Lexie's dying wish is a red flag of what's to come. It's called anvils and they've been obvious and are obvious. Sticking heads in sands isn't going to change what they're showing on screen. This is not okay.
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Jun 20 2012, 08:53 PM
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- brazen
- Jun 20 2012, 08:46 PM
- LucasHortonFan
- Jun 20 2012, 08:04 PM
hey, unless I see one dang spoiler and see it on my tv that we are definitely getting ej and sami, I am not holding my damn breath. Nobody unless they have a freaking crystal ball knows the mind of the writers and tptb. Unless folks have actual BONA FIDE proof that CAN NOT be disputed, then I will not believe we are getting ej and sami until I see it. No one can claim to know what's going down with the writer's. I take a firm wait and see approach. So she comforts him big ass deal. That does not mean romance, neither does some dumb dance at the request of a child. I'll believe it when I see it, until then, nope! :tvwatch:
The dead woman wants them together, Lexie's dying wish is a red flag of what's to come. It's called anvils and they've been obvious and are obvious. Sticking heads in sands isn't going to change what they're showing on screen. No one is denying MarDar were wanting EJAMI but TomSells material has yet to air so before you declare where SL Is going wait until the new writing kicks in to see if the direction remains the same. For example Colleen was wanting EJAMI In 07 did that happen no, even though she was appearing as a ghost to "talk to Sami about her feelings". Where is that SL now? Not even mentioned. Every regime has their own ideas and things change and change back on a dime.
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