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Spoilers for the week of June 25th; *updated 6/19*
Topic Started: Jun 14 2012, 05:36 PM (77,601 Views)
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six
Jun 20 2012, 11:04 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:50 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:45 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 05:21 PM

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There is no arbitrary cut off point before which Nicole's body-bartering no longer counts, and one does not magically stop being a ho, because other people have out-ho'd them. I'm not sure why this argument is so popular. I wouldn't call Nicole a ho for sleeping with Daniel, (although she's skanky for having a one night stand while carrying someone else's baby). She's a ho because she's using her body to manipulate him into doing her bidding.
I don't think Nicole is anymore of a ho/slut then any of the other female characters on this show.
I disagree, but even if Kayla, the late Lexie, Maggie, Caroline etc. were all like Nicole, that would just mean they were all hos, not that none of them were.

Thank you, Tomsawyer, ITA. That Nicole is a ho is not a judgment on her. It's just a statement of fact.
Well I am talking about all the women in their 30's and have slept around (Sami, Carrie, Chloe) . We will just have to agree to disagree. ;)
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Jun 20 2012, 11:09 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:02 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:53 PM
Nicole's alwasy been a "ho". Money is the only thing she ever wanted. She slept with almost every man in town, dumped the love of her life for 5 million dollars, and even with EJ, I sort of remember her telling Dr. Baker that she was going to be a Dimera and have millions. Nicole written in character is an opportunist who uses her body and manipulations to get what she wants. Unfortunately her body is her number one choice of manipulation, and although I don't particularly like the word "ho", I can see how some would use it to describe her character.
Well considering the way she was raised being forced into porn and being raped by her father, I find her behavoiur very understandable. I don't think she's ho.

And as for that comment about having millions with Ej, yeah she may have said that, but with Ej I think she just saw that as a plus the real reason she wanted to be with him was because she actually loved him.
Just becuase she had the life she had when she was younger dosent excuse her adult behavior. She uses her body to get what she wants.
I can say the same for EJ. I have read so many times Stefano's upbringing of EJ being used as an excuse for EJ's behaviour as an adult and the choices he has made. So IMO that is just one more connection that EJOLE have where no one can understand them like each other. :wub:
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jun 20 2012, 11:24 PM.
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Jun 20 2012, 10:53 PM
Nicole's alwasy been a "ho". Money is the only thing she ever wanted. She slept with almost every man in town, dumped the love of her life for 5 million dollars, and even with EJ, I sort of remember her telling Dr. Baker that she was going to be a Dimera and have millions. Nicole written in character is an opportunist who uses her body and manipulations to get what she wants. Unfortunately her body is her number one choice of manipulation, and although I don't particularly like the word "ho", I can see how some would use it to describe her character.
Well considering the way she was raised being forced into porn and being raped by her father, I find her behavoiur very understandable. I don't think she's ho.

And as for that comment about having millions with Ej, yeah she may have said that, but with Ej I think she just saw that as a plus the real reason she wanted to be with him was because she actually loved him.
Just becuase she had the life she had when she was younger dosent excuse or negate her adult behavior. She uses her body to get what she wants.
I don't think it excuses it, but I do think it does make her behaviour in with Eric/Victor/Lucas more understandable.
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Jun 20 2012, 11:11 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:04 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:45 PM

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I don't think Nicole is anymore of a ho/slut then any of the other female characters on this show.
I disagree, but even if Kayla, the late Lexie, Maggie, Caroline etc. were all like Nicole, that would just mean they were all hos, not that none of them were.

Thank you, Tomsawyer, ITA. That Nicole is a ho is not a judgment on her. It's just a statement of fact.
Well I am talking about all the women in their 30's and have slept around (Sami, Carrie, Chloe) . We will just have to agree to disagree. ;)
Yes, we will. And to clarify, I don't think being a cheater or easy means you're necessarily a ho. Lexie - slept around but was not a ho. Nicole and anyone else who bought things with their body - ho. Nicole and Melanie's history as teens - abuse.
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Jun 20 2012, 11:12 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:09 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:02 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:53 PM
Nicole's alwasy been a "ho". Money is the only thing she ever wanted. She slept with almost every man in town, dumped the love of her life for 5 million dollars, and even with EJ, I sort of remember her telling Dr. Baker that she was going to be a Dimera and have millions. Nicole written in character is an opportunist who uses her body and manipulations to get what she wants. Unfortunately her body is her number one choice of manipulation, and although I don't particularly like the word "ho", I can see how some would use it to describe her character.
Well considering the way she was raised being forced into porn and being raped by her father, I find her behavoiur very understandable. I don't think she's ho.

And as for that comment about having millions with Ej, yeah she may have said that, but with Ej I think she just saw that as a plus the real reason she wanted to be with him was because she actually loved him.
Just becuase she had the life she had when she was younger dosent excuse her adult behavior. She uses her body to get what she wants.
I can say the same for EJ. I have read so many times Stefano's upbringing of EJ being used as an excuse for EJ's behaviour as an adult and the choices he has made. So IMO that is just one more conection that EJOLE have where no one can understand them like each other. :wub:
I think an excuse is different than an explanation. Paul and Stefano's parenting explains a lot about how EJ and Nicole turned out but Nicole is still a ho, and EJ is still a...kidnapper, to choose a random crime.

ETA: I see you've posted something sort of similar, but hey, I've already typed it up. lol.
Edited by six, Jun 20 2012, 11:30 PM.
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Jun 20 2012, 11:28 PM
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Just becuase she had the life she had when she was younger dosent excuse her adult behavior. She uses her body to get what she wants.
I can say the same for EJ. I have read so many times Stefano's upbringing of EJ being used as an excuse for EJ's behaviour as an adult and the choices he has made. So IMO that is just one more conection that EJOLE have where no one can understand them like each other. :wub:
I think an excuse is different than an explanation. Paul and Stefano's parenting explains a lot about how EJ and Nicole turned out but Nicole is still a ho, and EJ is still a...kidnapper, to choose a random crime.
I don't disagree I was simply saying that EJ and Nicole are alike and embrace themselves for who they are. :wub: They use anything to get ahead and stay there.lol cat and mouse.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jun 20 2012, 11:42 PM.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Where did the fascination with that word ho come from all of a sudden? Sure it's been used here sporadically but it seems that it's strange to carry a conversation about why this person is a ho vs that person being a ho and who slept with who and how many partners have they had. Frankly, Nicole sleeping with Dan is disgusting on more than one level, so was Sami sleeping with EJ. Elvis fucking Tayho while being married to her sister was also disgusting.

But the best one of all of them is good old Stefano..a man.....If we go by what Stefano said to Will about Nicole having no class, then that goes for a good majority of the women in Salem and look who was talking...Stefano of all people, the guy has had mental issues all his life, he thinks he's such aristocracy, such a member of the high society, he's talking about Nicole having no class but Stefano himself married...wait for it....you ready...A HO!
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Now don't come whoopin' my ass at the grocery store cause I picked on your fav on here!

^^ Well, Rafe 2 doesn't count, and I think the majority of us would agree on that. She was MARRIED to Rafe. So, IMO those two are x'd off that ho list.

I can't excuse EJ, however, she WAS married to him before. And she was single when she boinked Lucas. So, there is your 3rd x'd off the ho list.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. It's a healthy and active sex life. Well, maybe not HEALTHY. But I don't think it means she is a HO. Now, if all those had been inthe same week, or month. Thats another story. AND Sami didn't screw any of these men to GET SOMETHING FROM THEM. It was either lovemaking or just plain sex. No manipulations, no intentions to get something as a result.

AND this is the first time Sami has behaved this way. Nicole has a history of screwing men for money, or for whatever trips her trigger. Hey, not trqashing her, I like the character of Nicole. it is the way she is written,and it fits her. how many people were most upset about the grief sex becasue Sami cheated on Rafe, and although Sami is a lot of things, a cheater she is not. She doesn't cheat, and she isn't "loose". (wasn't). So, no. Ho isn't for Sami, IMO, but does fit Nicole.

Sorry for unpopular opinion, but great for debate!

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Now don't come whoopin' my ass at the grocery store cause I picked on your fav on here!

I was responding to anothe rpost, its gone. Perhaps deleted? Dunno? Anyway- Luving Lumi, It wasn't directed to you.
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Jun 20 2012, 10:54 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 05:35 PM
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Jun 19 2012, 05:25 PM
Helpless Romantic
Jun 19 2012, 05:20 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepHuge events rock Salem in August

http://soapcentral.com/days/scoop.php
Also I thought I read that Ari is takig a trip to Africa? So they could have her go missing based on whatever goes down but the wording of this spoiler leads me to believe there is a huge accident or natural disaster. JMO Though. We will see soon enough.
Do you know if Ari taking the full month or just a few days?

Not saying you are wrong, but all this stuff doesn't sound like a WTD or kidnapping s/l that can be stretched out over months. I don't think TomSell would view Nicole's baby as untouchable if they could squeeze a long lasting s/l out of it.

Thanks!
No Idea how long she will be off for and I think if Nicole's baby by some chance does go missing after TomSell stuff starts airing it will be connected to Stefano who may steal it upon returning. Like I have said before though I don't think TomSell will do a whose the daddy because as JS said in recent interviews, EJ knows the baby is his. Could he also take it with Stefano's help? Possibly but I don't think a possible redux of the Sydnapping part deux is what they will use to start off with. Just my thoughts. :)
Hmm..the Stefano part is interesting. Didn't Nicole admit to Steffie's "corpse" that the baby is really EJ's?
Yes she did and since we know he is alive he probably heard everything.
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Now don't come whoopin' my ass at the grocery store cause I picked on your fav on here!

Stefano going to come back from the dead and take Nicole's baby. Knowing it is EJ's baby, and KNOWING that EJ is his son. However they fix THAT mess.

:-(

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Nicole is going to do it again, to use EJ again. She is not just trying to keep him from the child, she is going to try to put him away.

When women do sexual things for money, Millions, rich husbands, getting even with another woman, the word "ho" just fits them so very well!
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Jun 20 2012, 11:28 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:12 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:09 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 11:02 PM

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Just becuase she had the life she had when she was younger dosent excuse her adult behavior. She uses her body to get what she wants.
I can say the same for EJ. I have read so many times Stefano's upbringing of EJ being used as an excuse for EJ's behaviour as an adult and the choices he has made. So IMO that is just one more conection that EJOLE have where no one can understand them like each other. :wub:
I think an excuse is different than an explanation. Paul and Stefano's parenting explains a lot about how EJ and Nicole turned out but Nicole is still a ho, and EJ is still a...kidnapper, to choose a random crime.

ETA: I see you've posted something sort of similar, but hey, I've already typed it up. lol.
I'm sure every ho out there has a reason why they are that way. It might even be a sad story but they are what they are unless they make efforts to change it.
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Hoping that John and Marlena are among those at Lexie's memorial service, though they weren't mentioned specifically in the spoilers!
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Dolly
Jun 20 2012, 11:55 PM
Nicole is going to do it again, to use EJ again. She is not just trying to keep him from the child, she is going to try to put him away.

When women do sexual things for money, Millions, rich husbands, getting even with another woman, the word "ho" just fits them so very well!
So is sleeping with three different guys in six months or less while still married.
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Jun 21 2012, 01:43 AM
Dolly
Jun 20 2012, 11:55 PM
Nicole is going to do it again, to use EJ again. She is not just trying to keep him from the child, she is going to try to put him away.

When women do sexual things for money, Millions, rich husbands, getting even with another woman, the word "ho" just fits them so very well!
So is sleeping with three different guys in six months or less while still married.
Sami is maybe slut but so is Nicole. Sami wasn't have sex with Rafe when she was having Sydney but Nicole will have sex with Daniel while she is having EJ's baby and she thinks that she a better person and mother than Sami but that is not true at all!! I used to like Nicole but for now i can't :(
Edited by EJfanForever, Jun 21 2012, 04:36 AM.
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Guess we won't be seeing much of John and Marlena. Not mentioned once in any of the spoilers. Very disappointing. They should be involved with Lexie's memorial and now that John knows that Will is gay was hoping to see scenes with the 3 of them.
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

I am so sick of Sami is this and Nicole is that. what the fuck ever!
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Jun 20 2012, 11:02 PM
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Jun 20 2012, 10:53 PM
Nicole's alwasy been a "ho". Money is the only thing she ever wanted. She slept with almost every man in town, dumped the love of her life for 5 million dollars, and even with EJ, I sort of remember her telling Dr. Baker that she was going to be a Dimera and have millions. Nicole written in character is an opportunist who uses her body and manipulations to get what she wants. Unfortunately her body is her number one choice of manipulation, and although I don't particularly like the word "ho", I can see how some would use it to describe her character.
Well considering the way she was raised being forced into porn and being raped by her father, I find her behavoiur very understandable. I don't think she's ho.

And as for that comment about having millions with Ej, yeah she may have said that, but with Ej I think she just saw that as a plus the real reason she wanted to be with him was because she actually loved him.
I don't think she's ever loved EJ. She loved his money, power and good looks.
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

and Sami never loved Ej either, she has time and again done things like I dunno shot him in the head, yep that spells love and the nonsense goes on. so over it!
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