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Spoilers for the week of July 2nd; *updated 6/26*
Topic Started: Jun 21 2012, 12:56 PM (30,991 Views)
eugenie


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Jun 24 2012, 10:04 PM
ladyofthelake
Jun 24 2012, 09:04 PM
I would so put Days on my DVR just to see Will working with EJ and getting sucked in with him, instead of EJ and Sami together. I would LOVE to see Will and Sami continue to be at odds. Soap!
That's the period I enjoyed Will the most. When he was really upset with his mother and wasn't shy about telling her exactly what he thought of her.
I agree. Back in the good ole Days, Sami schemed, lied, got caught, and was usually publically outed and humiliated. For years, there has been no such until Will. I loved every minute of his calling her a whore and really loved his pushing her so forcefully away from him that one glorious time. Such a brief span for such entertainment. Wonder why. :hmmph:
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If Will is all about Power, the money and perks and becoming like EJ, then I don't particularly like this version of Will. It would have been more admirable if he remained loyal to his family and not want to become like the man who have done them so much wrong.


Watching Will be a one-note character that only has to serve his family all the time and is stuck being a Brady pub bus boy doesn't seem interesting to me. It's also not very soapy.

I rather see complex characters. Will is in college and he's growing and changing. He does love his family, he loves Marlena, his dad, etc.. He also loves working for EJ. I rather watch Will struggle at this age between wanting power, wrong, right, good vs bad, his sexuality and conflict between his family and EJ than just watch him run around going just repeating "Dimera's are evil" and being some Brady sidekick. How does that work storyline wise with Roman, Sonny and Bo? PR is going for a reason and saying that he has been replaced in the stories of the show.

If Will was a one-note loyal Brady he'd have no real story plots. He'd be on once every couple weeks.

EJ and Will are getting the attention and praise and buzz it's getting from fans, media, etc.. is because you never know what you're going to get with them.
Someone having principles and living up to them does not automatically make them a one note character. Is Will a Brady pub bus boy. I have not seen that on screen. How a character comes across is really down to the skill or lack of skill of the writers. A good person does not have to be boring, it all depends on what they are given to do. Everyone can't be bad or teetering on to the darkside. These characters can be one note also. It takes skill to write these kind of characters to keep them interesting and likeable. It also takes skill and good story telling to make the good guys interesting. We need variety, the characters can't all be bad, they can't all be grey and they can't all be good.

I really dont see Will as complex character. The fact that he is gay does not automatically make him complex and if you are talking about his relationship with EJ, I see no complexity there either. I have not seen Will struggle over wanting power and over good verses bad but we have seen him struggle with his sexuality. I don't even see him having any conflict between his family and EJ. His Dad asked him to stop working for EJ and he straight out told him no, that he liked working for EJ.

We have him almost in tears over EJ taking away all his perks, we have EJ smacking him and Will cowering, We have EJ saying to Will, 'when I say jump, you say, and Will obediently finishes by saying 'how high.' We have Will contemplating murdering Stefano because he lost EJ's trust and he is so upset about it that we hear him screaming at Stefano in a demented way. This is the sort of things that we are seeing on screen. Where is the complexity.

This story had began with Will hating EJ so much that the fact that his mother slept with him made him totally started disrespecting her and just like the relationship with EJ and Sami where one minute they were hating each other and the next bffs without any build. We seem to have the same thing with WIll and EJ.

I agree with others who says that it would have been good if Will was trying to bring EJ down and that was his plan all along with help of course, because I don't think he could do it by himself, it would not be believeable. At least he would continue to hold on to his principles and still stay loyal to his family and at the same time doing somthing constructive.

At the moment what have we got. Will being brave and talking back to EJ sometimes, EJ orders him around, EJ talks about himself and how smart he is and EJ sends him off on errands. That is what we are seeing on screen. We are not even shown what type of job he gives him to do and how Will goes about doing it. It is just all talk.

Also, I don't anyone would be writing him running around saying Dimeras are evil. Marlena hates the Dimeras and they certainly do not have her running around saying the Dimeras are evil.
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hoping to get some good Ejami scenes for next week:)
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Wednesday ("The Power Struggle")
Will gets the upper hand on EJ; Gabi learns that Andrew has been holding Melanie against her will.
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Jun 25 2012, 01:41 AM
Wednesday ("The Power Struggle")
Will gets the upper hand on EJ; Gabi learns that Andrew has been holding Melanie against her will.
ooooh, does he now? This could get interesting. Ask EJ what happens what you say "how high?" Will, ask HIM what happens when YOU say "how high?"!!

Well, maybe that won't happen juuuussssstttt yet, but a girl can dream.
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I love the Will/EJ stuff. Although some of it has been inconsistent I pretty much get it. The writers have not done a very good job explaining things and I think that has been the case across the board, not just in this storyline. I keep seeing people asking why EJ needs Will. Why does he need a kid to help him? He doesn't. EJ doesn't have Will around because he needs him, he has him around because he can control him. He can do it so he does. Here he has Sami and Lucas' son under his thumb, you don't think that could be an advantage to EJ on down the road? Will is a Brady. The Bradys are pretty much sworn enemies of the Demiras. Why would he not use this to his advantage? I totally get that. EJ is all about using anything he can to his advantage. The only thing that didn't make sense to me was him bailing Will out of jail. He was pissed at him, so I didn't totally get that...but I figure he realizes that he will need him around sooner or later and it would be better if he isn't in jail. Maybe he does have a little bit of affection for Will also. Hard to say.

Now onto Will. I think he is conflicted. I think he truly does not like EJ for what he's done to his family and for what he walked in on with Sami. I think starting out he hated the guy. But once he got a taste of some independence from his mom he started to like the perks. I think he has a certain level of not so much respect, but.....awe maybe. EJ is powerful and can pretty much do whatever he wants. I think Will likes that. I know EJ has treated him like dirt...or some say bullying. I'm not really sure what to make of that because Will DOES kind of just put up with it. It reminds me of something a child would do when his father was disappointed in him. He acts more like a kicked puppy than pissed off about it, so I don't know. But I've seen that he doesn't exactly look scared either. He takes it, but he seems to stand his ground at the same time. Not sure what to make of Will yet. To say he has his dad and he should spend more time with him instead. Well, Lucas has been gone. If I were Will I'd be slighty pissed. They haven't really shown that, but the fact is Lucas has been gone and Will HAS been spending time with EJ. To me it is a complex relationship, I just think MarDar could have done better explaining some of it. We need some more of that internal dialogue we used to get from characters so we know what they are thinking. It looks like Will is still possibly working against EJ so we'll see how it develops. Just to add...they would have to come up with something really interesting for Will and Lucas to do to spend more time together. I liked the idea of Lucas and Will (and maybe Sami) working together to bring EJ down or something along those lines. Otherwise any father/son scenes would get old after a while. There has to be a story, not just hanging out together.
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Jun 24 2012, 05:43 PM
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Jun 24 2012, 04:11 PM
I could be wrong but I get the impression that haters of EJILL are basing their opinions based on other relationships. Lumis are jealous of the father/son type bond between EJILL, WilSon fans either want all of Will's storylines revolved around Sonny or don't like that the EJILL chemistry gets so much attention, and both Lumi & Ejoles see EJILL as an EJAMI connection. Does that sound about right or no?


I don't mind the EJ and Will scenes but the show/writers need to drop the sexually charged dialogue and situations. It's borderline incestuous and it's now pointless given that Will is out. Even worse, it seems like Days thinks the innuendo-filled EJ-Will dynamic is an acceptable alternative to making Will or Sonny actually be gay. Sonny may be the most asexual gay character in the history of modern television since he never finds anyone attractive, never dates and certainly never has sex. Will isn't that much different than Sonny in that regard. I'd gladly trade these "get me off" and similar exchanges between EJ and Will if the show would let Sonny comment that he thinks one of his coffee house customers is hot or if Will would go out on a date with someone on screen.

Let EJ and Will blackmail each other or engage in their nefarious deeds or threaten each other or whatever they want to do. Just move the sexualized words and antics to Will and/or Sonny where it is less offensive and is actually needed.
For me...the "sexually charged dialogue" between EJ and Will are part of what makes it so fun. I know that they are never going to go there for real. I enjoy it. For Sonny and Will I don't really want them to have conversations that are full of innuendo because they CAN go there. I want Will to have a romantic relationship..whether it be Sonny or whoever. I think if they started having the same type of conversations with someone who he would actually get involved with it might turn me off. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm afraid it might. Not because I don't want Will to have a sexual relationship, but because I want a slow-building one that doesn't just have him jumping in bed with someone...at least not someone who he's suddenly "in love" with. If he were to have a one night stand or something then I wouldn't mind that kind of talk so much. Am I making any sense? I might change my mind if these writers knew how to actually write a romance. I know Jack and Jennifer had TONS of innuendo and they are my favorite couple...but there was a lot of humor and a big part of that was Jack's character. I don't know if it would come off the same way from Will or Sonny....they are both so straight-laced (for the most part). Anyway, that's my two cents. :shrug:
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Jun 25 2012, 01:54 AM
I love the Will/EJ stuff. Although some of it has been inconsistent I pretty much get it. The writers have not done a very good job explaining things and I think that has been the case across the board, not just in this storyline. I keep seeing people asking why EJ needs Will. Why does he need a kid to help him? He doesn't. EJ doesn't have Will around because he needs him, he has him around because he can control him. He can do it so he does. Here he has Sami and Lucas' son under his thumb, you don't think that could be an advantage to EJ on down the road? Will is a Brady. The Bradys are pretty much sworn enemies of the Demiras. Why would he not use this to his advantage? I totally get that. EJ is all about using anything he can to his advantage. The only thing that didn't make sense to me was him bailing Will out of jail. He was pissed at him, so I didn't totally get that...but I figure he realizes that he will need him around sooner or later and it would be better if he isn't in jail. Maybe he does have a little bit of affection for Will also. Hard to say.

Now onto Will. I think he is conflicted. I think he truly does not like EJ for what he's done to his family and for what he walked in on with Sami. I think starting out he hated the guy. But once he got a taste of some independence from his mom he started to like the perks. I think he has a certain level of not so much respect, but.....awe maybe. EJ is powerful and can pretty much do whatever he wants. I think Will likes that. I know EJ has treated him like dirt...or some say bullying. I'm not really sure what to make of that because Will DOES kind of just put up with it. It reminds me of something a child would do when his father was disappointed in him. He acts more like a kicked puppy than pissed off about it, so I don't know. But I've seen that he doesn't exactly look scared either. He takes it, but he seems to stand his ground at the same time. Not sure what to make of Will yet. To say he has his dad and he should spend more time with him instead. Well, Lucas has been gone. If I were Will I'd be slighty pissed. They haven't really shown that, but the fact is Lucas has been gone and Will HAS been spending time with EJ. To me it is a complex relationship, I just think MarDar could have done better explaining some of it. We need some more of that internal dialogue we used to get from characters so we know what they are thinking. It looks like Will is still possibly working against EJ so we'll see how it develops. Just to add...they would have to come up with something really interesting for Will and Lucas to do to spend more time together. I liked the idea of Lucas and Will (and maybe Sami) working together to bring EJ down or something along those lines. Otherwise any father/son scenes would get old after a while. There has to be a story, not just hanging out together.
EJ/Will should open up more storylines for a lot more characters, and I would like for them to be interwoven into that dynamic a little bit more - maybe that will start happening now.

As for Lucas, this is especially true for him, I think, and that he hasn't been more involved or hasn't had more scenes with Will, etc. over it (other than telling Will to stop working for EJ, and for Will to say No - not a favorite moment for me) leave something to be desired. My hope is that we will see more of Lucas, and Sami and Sonny for that matter, vying for Will's "soul" or whatever (not to sound dramatic, but hopefully you know what I mean). I would love to see Sami and Lucas work together to help their son, or with their son in some capacity at some point to conspire against EJ. And as they work with him, they can start to see him waver, see him conflicted. Lucas and Sami, and maybe Lucas especially as father-to-son, man-to-man, can admit they understand Will's attraction to the dark side (that sounds so cliche, I have to come up with a better term for it that isn't so Star Wars-y....dangerous-er side?)as they have been there themselves, but caution Will against what he could be getting himself into. This would maybe recast or bring back the focus that Sami and Lucas once were delicious, peas-in-a-pod schemers. And now they have a chance to reignite that dynamic, or include Will into the fold....but then also apply the perspectives of parents wanting to protect their son. That is also a potential conflict/paradox.

It isn't my wish just to see Will and Lucas eating hamburgers or watching sports or going fishing or whatever. I don't just want to see them hang out (although a little of that would be great too). But there is story potential there, given the EJill dynamic, that hasn't been explored yet - and that is frustrating.

I could believe Will would be a little mad at his dad for being gone for so long - I think it's been mentioned the actors are intentionally playing it cold as a result (I think I read that somewhere). Regardless, a little chill is realistic. But, I dunno. I don't think Will should be any madder at Lucas for leaving than he should be at EJ for all the shit he's perpetrated against his family. In any event, Lucas is back now, so I would like to see him and other characters imbricated in this storyline a bit more. If EJill is interesting because it opens up new narrative and character possibilities [and I agree], then let's see it start to open up some narrative and character possibilities. Their dynamic could have wide-reaching resonance, and I'd like to see that unfold a little more.

And I am not just talking about Sami arguing and being all sexy angry or whatever with EJ over the blackmail. That I could probably do without. ;)
Edited by elci525, Jun 25 2012, 03:25 AM.
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Spoilers are ok minus the Gabi/Melanie mention
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Jun 25 2012, 01:54 AM
I love the Will/EJ stuff. Although some of it has been inconsistent I pretty much get it. The writers have not done a very good job explaining things and I think that has been the case across the board, not just in this storyline. I keep seeing people asking why EJ needs Will. Why does he need a kid to help him? He doesn't. EJ doesn't have Will around because he needs him, he has him around because he can control him. He can do it so he does. Here he has Sami and Lucas' son under his thumb, you don't think that could be an advantage to EJ on down the road? Will is a Brady. The Bradys are pretty much sworn enemies of the Demiras. Why would he not use this to his advantage? I totally get that. EJ is all about using anything he can to his advantage. The only thing that didn't make sense to me was him bailing Will out of jail. He was pissed at him, so I didn't totally get that...but I figure he realizes that he will need him around sooner or later and it would be better if he isn't in jail. Maybe he does have a little bit of affection for Will also. Hard to say.

Now onto Will. I think he is conflicted. I think he truly does not like EJ for what he's done to his family and for what he walked in on with Sami. I think starting out he hated the guy. But once he got a taste of some independence from his mom he started to like the perks. I think he has a certain level of not so much respect, but.....awe maybe. EJ is powerful and can pretty much do whatever he wants. I think Will likes that. I know EJ has treated him like dirt...or some say bullying. I'm not really sure what to make of that because Will DOES kind of just put up with it. It reminds me of something a child would do when his father was disappointed in him. He acts more like a kicked puppy than pissed off about it, so I don't know. But I've seen that he doesn't exactly look scared either. He takes it, but he seems to stand his ground at the same time. Not sure what to make of Will yet. To say he has his dad and he should spend more time with him instead. Well, Lucas has been gone. If I were Will I'd be slighty pissed. They haven't really shown that, but the fact is Lucas has been gone and Will HAS been spending time with EJ. To me it is a complex relationship, I just think MarDar could have done better explaining some of it. We need some more of that internal dialogue we used to get from characters so we know what they are thinking. It looks like Will is still possibly working against EJ so we'll see how it develops. Just to add...they would have to come up with something really interesting for Will and Lucas to do to spend more time together. I liked the idea of Lucas and Will (and maybe Sami) working together to bring EJ down or something along those lines. Otherwise any father/son scenes would get old after a while. There has to be a story, not just hanging out together.
And remember, when Will first started working for EJ, he hated his mother, but he was also disgusted with himself for being gay. Even though he accepted Sonny, he loathed that he himself was gay enough to spit at himself in the mirror. At first, working for EJ was a part of that self-loathing. Then, it became about the power and the perks and the cat and mouse between EJ. That all coincided with Will coming to terms with his sexuality. But at first, maybe Will enjoyed being around EJ because Will didn't give a shit about what EJ thought of his personal life and that was liberating.

The bailing of Will out of jail doesn't make a lot of sense, unless EJ knows who killed Stefano and doesn't want the truth to come. If he knew for a fact Will was innocent, he might have worried that the truth was going to come out during the investigation to clear Will (since all of Salem PD was in collusion with Will's team to clear him).

And I like the idea that Will is in awe of EJ, despite not liking him.

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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Here is my biggest problem with the Will and Ej dynamic and NO it's not because I hate Ejami or love Lumi. I will never buy that Will is out to feel bad for Ej, EVER, so when he was all boo hooing over 'hurting' Ej that is when I started to question what exactly they were going for. In the beginning I thought that they could play the dynamic as Will trying to blackmail Ej, because he's young and inexperienced Ej would turn the tables around. Then Will working for Ej doing his dirty deeds, after all both his parents worked for Tandre at one point or another so it fit in way for Will to work for EJ, but in the end Will would turn it around without remorse and have Ej pay. What doesn't fit in is when he started feeling bad for his betrayal of Ej. GMAFB....this is the guy he shot in the back, who had managed to ruin not only his parents marriage but also tried to kill off his family. So obviously ruining HIS life SHOULD be Will's priority.
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Jun 25 2012, 07:57 AM
Here is my biggest problem with the Will and Ej dynamic and NO it's not because I hate Ejami or love Lumi. I will never buy that Will is out to feel bad for Ej, EVER, so when he was all boo hooing over 'hurting' Ej that is when I started to question what exactly they were going for. In the beginning I thought that they could play the dynamic as Will trying to blackmail Ej, because he's young and inexperienced Ej would turn the tables around. Then Will working for Ej doing his dirty deeds, after all both his parents worked for Tandre at one point or another so it fit in way for Will to work for EJ, but in the end Will would turn it around without remorse and have Ej pay. What doesn't fit in is when he started feeling bad for his betrayal of Ej. GMAFB....this is the guy he shot in the back, who had managed to ruin not only his parents marriage but also tried to kill off his family. So obviously ruining HIS life SHOULD be Will's priority.
I completely agree with this. Will should not want anything to do with the man who destroyed his parents marriage. He should only want to destroy Ej, period. I do hope Will brings the bastard down. It would be so fitting for Will being the Lumi baby, to bring down the one who has been tormenting his family for years now. I am glad to see that there is not one Ej and Sami scene all week. I hope that in getting the upper hand, Will orders Ej to stay away from his mother. Its high time Ej left the building, Sami's apartment building that is. I'd love to see Will order him out of that building, being that I believe it is Ej's apartment complex. Ej needs to focous on Nicole and forget the rest of the crapola.
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In view of more then one source giving spoilers that Lucas and Sami will be on the skids, and EJ and Sami will be growing closer, I don't think Will is going to order EJ away from his mother. Honestly, if he wanted to get back at both Sami and EJ, the easiest way would be to force them to get married and have to deal with each other! He could save Lucas from being hurt by Sami at the same time. Win-Win! :P



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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Will might not order Ej away from his mother, but that doesn't mean that Ej and Sami will be together because they love each other either.... I could see Will doing that but would he really hurt his father like that? After everything his dad did for him? I don't see it. Even if it happens, then the rooting couple automatically becomes Lumi, who are being kept apart because of circumstances beyond their control and if only MarDar knew how to build up the writing for Lumi's reconciliation then it would play out so much better.....that being said, the scenes on Monday remind me so much of scenes in 2004/05, it's basically the same dialogue...he even cooks breakfast, she tells him that she doesn't deserve him that her man troubles will always get in their way, yada, yada...then Brandon calls.....and about a month later he's back in Salem and it ended up being a foreshadowing of Kate drugging Sami and Brandon in bed and Lucas walking in on them. I'll have to see how this story plays out but I don't think it's going to play out the way some people think it will.

Check out this scene and after you watch today's US show, tell me the similarities aren't strange.....sometimes I think MarDar went back and picked a random epi and just reshot it for 2012, lol.

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Jun 25 2012, 02:07 AM
For me...the "sexually charged dialogue" between EJ and Will are part of what makes it so fun. I know that they are never going to go there for real. I enjoy it. For Sonny and Will I don't really want them to have conversations that are full of innuendo because they CAN go there. I want Will to have a romantic relationship..whether it be Sonny or whoever. I think if they started having the same type of conversations with someone who he would actually get involved with it might turn me off. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm afraid it might. Not because I don't want Will to have a sexual relationship, but because I want a slow-building one that doesn't just have him jumping in bed with someone...at least not someone who he's suddenly "in love" with. If he were to have a one night stand or something then I wouldn't mind that kind of talk so much. Am I making any sense? I might change my mind if these writers knew how to actually write a romance. I know Jack and Jennifer had TONS of innuendo and they are my favorite couple...but there was a lot of humor and a big part of that was Jack's character. I don't know if it would come off the same way from Will or Sonny....they are both so straight-laced (for the most part). Anyway, that's my two cents. :shrug:
The sexual innuendo between EJ and Will is nothing more than foreplay without the sex or without the prospect of sex. This is highly problematic for me for two reasons. First, it's more of the typical no payoff writing from MarDar. It would be tolerable if there was the slightest chance the two of them would engage in their own romp on the DiMera couch; but we all know that is never going to happen. It's nothing more than teasing that moved from enjoyable to annoying long ago. Secondly, it is problematic since the show seems to think the EJ/Will innuendo is an acceptable trade-off or compensation for the desexualization of Will and Sonny either together or with other characters. There is never any foreplay or sex with them (or very little in Will's case). That strikes me as homophobic and offensive. Prime time soaps from the 80s and 90s had gay characters who were more sexual than Will and Sonny. Days should be ashamed of itself for its characterization of them.
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Jun 25 2012, 09:03 AM
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Jun 25 2012, 02:07 AM
For me...the "sexually charged dialogue" between EJ and Will are part of what makes it so fun. I know that they are never going to go there for real. I enjoy it. For Sonny and Will I don't really want them to have conversations that are full of innuendo because they CAN go there. I want Will to have a romantic relationship..whether it be Sonny or whoever. I think if they started having the same type of conversations with someone who he would actually get involved with it might turn me off. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm afraid it might. Not because I don't want Will to have a sexual relationship, but because I want a slow-building one that doesn't just have him jumping in bed with someone...at least not someone who he's suddenly "in love" with. If he were to have a one night stand or something then I wouldn't mind that kind of talk so much. Am I making any sense? I might change my mind if these writers knew how to actually write a romance. I know Jack and Jennifer had TONS of innuendo and they are my favorite couple...but there was a lot of humor and a big part of that was Jack's character. I don't know if it would come off the same way from Will or Sonny....they are both so straight-laced (for the most part). Anyway, that's my two cents. :shrug:
The sexual innuendo between EJ and Will is nothing more than foreplay without the sex or without the prospect of sex. This is highly problematic for me for two reasons. First, it's more of the typical no payoff writing from MarDar. It would be tolerable if there was the slightest chance the two of them would engage in their own romp on the DiMera couch; but we all know that is never going to happen. It's nothing more than teasing that moved from enjoyable to annoying long ago. Secondly, it is problematic since the show seems to think the EJ/Will innuendo is an acceptable trade-off or compensation for the desexualization of Will and Sonny either together or with other characters. There is never any foreplay or sex with them (or very little in Will's case). That strikes me as homophobic and offensive. Prime time soaps from the 80s and 90s had gay characters who were more sexual than Will and Sonny. Days should be ashamed of itself for its characterization of them.
Even though I've enjoyed the innuendo for what it is, I agree with this as well. I was also irritated with the implication that Neil and Will were just "hanging out" and didn't spend the night together, when if they were a guy and girl they definitely would have been portrayed as doing so. Sonny has been without a romance his entire tenure on the show. It's very irksome.

Although, I have to say I would really enjoy it if Will, once he gained power over EJ, started flirting with him more intensely and explicitly - just to make EJ uncomfortable.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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Jun 25 2012, 09:03 AM
supercool74
Jun 25 2012, 02:07 AM
For me...the "sexually charged dialogue" between EJ and Will are part of what makes it so fun. I know that they are never going to go there for real. I enjoy it. For Sonny and Will I don't really want them to have conversations that are full of innuendo because they CAN go there. I want Will to have a romantic relationship..whether it be Sonny or whoever. I think if they started having the same type of conversations with someone who he would actually get involved with it might turn me off. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm afraid it might. Not because I don't want Will to have a sexual relationship, but because I want a slow-building one that doesn't just have him jumping in bed with someone...at least not someone who he's suddenly "in love" with. If he were to have a one night stand or something then I wouldn't mind that kind of talk so much. Am I making any sense? I might change my mind if these writers knew how to actually write a romance. I know Jack and Jennifer had TONS of innuendo and they are my favorite couple...but there was a lot of humor and a big part of that was Jack's character. I don't know if it would come off the same way from Will or Sonny....they are both so straight-laced (for the most part). Anyway, that's my two cents. :shrug:
The sexual innuendo between EJ and Will is nothing more than foreplay without the sex or without the prospect of sex. This is highly problematic for me for two reasons. First, it's more of the typical no payoff writing from MarDar. It would be tolerable if there was the slightest chance the two of them would engage in their own romp on the DiMera couch; but we all know that is never going to happen. It's nothing more than teasing that moved from enjoyable to annoying long ago. Secondly, it is problematic since the show seems to think the EJ/Will innuendo is an acceptable trade-off or compensation for the desexualization of Will and Sonny either together or with other characters. There is never any foreplay or sex with them (or very little in Will's case). That strikes me as homophobic and offensive. Prime time soaps from the 80s and 90s had gay characters who were more sexual than Will and Sonny. Days should be ashamed of itself for its characterization of them.
They should have really had Ej be the one that blackmailed with the knowledge that he is gay and he would tell everyone in town about it. I know they made a few references to it, but Ej never came out and said it 100%. That would have automatically made him the one character that had issues with Will being gay. It would work because Will would still be under his thumb with no way out at first. Here is this guy that knows this secret that no one else knows and he's blackmailing him with that and with the fact that he could send him to jail too. The stakes would have been set higher for when Sami and Lucas finally found out the truth, then Sami would have found out why Will was really working for Ej. The problem is they don't want to make Ej the villain, but they have issues making him the romantic lead, they can't write him grey because at this stage of the game, I and others don't buy this guy can love anyone let alone do good for anyone.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

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Jun 24 2012, 09:03 PM
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Jun 24 2012, 04:11 PM
The EJILL debate is hilarious. I think EJILL is so popular because their relationship has been well written and developed. The changing dynamics make sense. Will not only loves the perks & the power, but also the independence that EJ provided for him. EJ treats Will like an adult. Due to his association with EJ, Will has become more confident and happy. Will said at first he didn't want to work for EJ, but came to love it. I love that there was a transition from "hate" to "love" and it makes sense that Will was so upset when EJ fired him. Will had a lot going on in his life and EJ provided an outlet for Will. Will benefitted greatly from his association with EJ and I think EJ also enjoys the kinship. Plus Will has a natural dark side to him and with EJ he is able to tap into that side a bit more. I love dark Will too.

They threaten/blackmail each other to try to get more control, but there's also a dependency between the two. This is why EJILL have a complex relationship- there's different layers. I love that you don't know what's going to happen next or if there's going to be scenes where they're getting along, working together, scheming, threatening each other, or whatever. You know what you're going to get when Will has scenes with most other characters. So the EJILL dynamic is just more engaging to watch. I don't want to see EJILL get along all the time, though I enjoy the tender moments and when they're working together, but I want to see some angst too. I can see more betrayals, fights, and blackmail. But at the same time, see them supporting and protecting each other.

I could be wrong but I get the impression that haters of EJILL are basing their opinions based on other relationships. Lumis are jealous of the father/son type bond between EJILL, WilSon fans either want all of Will's storylines revolved around Sonny or don't like that the EJILL chemistry gets so much attention, and both Lumi & Ejoles see EJILL as an EJAMI connection. Does that sound about right or no?

I view EJILL as their own entity/dynamic and have a great consistent storyline that is fun to watch. I love that there's so much buzz and support for EJILL too! I hope Days is smart enough to keep writing for this popular and awesome dynamic duo!



I agree that is why I love their relationship, I don't see Ej bullying Will to do anything. He treats him as an adult, also he told him that he had the permission to leave but Will wanted to stay. I don't see Ej forcing Will to continue to work with him, Will seems to like the fact that he is working with him, not to mention the benefits he has.

I see the bullying coming in when EJ, like, manhandles Will in the HTS or smacks him in the face and mouth. I see the bullying when he condescendingly hollers at Will, or even couches/defines the power dynamic inherent in the relationship, as it is now, with expressions like "I own you" or "I say jump and you say how high" and having Will repeat it like a monkey.

And there is of course the blackmail EJ still has on Will, which could still frighten Will a little. Even though he has been cleared as a suspect due to his alibi, I can still see him being fearful about what EJ could expose about him (even though that might mean EJ would be implicating himself as an obstructor of justice, Will was a minor at the time), etc.

That EJ treats Will like an adult is also debatable. He has given Will his independence, sorta, with a car and apartment -- but those are conditional and do not really belong to Will (so nothing very adult about that). He has given Will shady work to do, which was probably fun for Will, he liked the feeling of getting away with things, etc. Those are grown-up things to give Will to do, responsibility to expect him to be able to handle, etc. But I haven't seen EJ entrust him with these kinds of responsibilities lately. What was he last doing for EJ? Culling and collecting media items re: EJ? something liek that? Seems like busy/lackey work at the moment. Nothing very grown-up about that. And I also see Will just standing there and allowing himself to be screamed at with the same blank look/smirk on his face. As EJ's subordinate, I supposed he should take it..to an extent. But a lot of those scenes make me uncomfortable, I would like to see Will start to defend himself.

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....for one I never saw Ej trying to replace Lucas as a Father. He respects his role as a Father but that does not mean that means that Will should stop working for Ej because of his reputation....I don't see any father/son bond....
I do. Perhaps it is happening subtly, but I do. Perhaps it's more a mentor/mentee relationship for now, but I can see it quickly crossing into something father/son-y. I see it happening right now, actually. It was even rather suggestively suggested when Sonny asked Will if his dad had been cool about Will being gay, Will said yes, Sonny said, he probably turned your mother around (something like that, I am paraphrasing from Friday's show...or is it from the day-ahead for Monday's show?? one of those). And Will said yes, but actually it was more EJ who talked to her, turned her around, etc. My blood boiled a bit after that. grrr. And EJ respects Lucas's role as a father? Hmmm, I am not so sure I believe that. I could be wrong, but that is my feeling.

I dislike Ejill for many reasons, but I like them for others....I just want to see some tweaking. I like gray characters over black and white characters, so as I have said, I am enjoying seeing Will's character navigate these grayer, murkier waters. I am sure he likes the power that comes from working for EJ. I am sure he feels a sense of obligation to EJ for the job, etc. EJ has given him, but some of that "loyalty" is also motivated by his fear of what EJ might do should Will betray him. I don't like their to be affection, warmth or tenderness between the two. Respect and admiration is one thing, but the other I just could not stomach. I personally don't feel Will should feel "indebted" to EJ for much of anything...not the car, nor the apt, nor the keeping him out of jail, really, b/c I feel like I know the real reason EJ did that, and it wasn't selfless nor paternal nor altruistic. I think Will should hate EJ for what he has done to his family, and I want to see this come out more. Will hated him in the beginning, and I feel like that hatred should still exist. But Will has also liked working for EJ, so that complicated things....and maybe he has also been afforded a different look at EJ b/c he has seen how much EJ has lost recently. I say whatever, but I agree that could make Will even more conflicted about working/being around EJ. I just don't want to hear Will say he [EJ] isn't so bad (bah), without that being balanced with an instance where Will realizes EJ IS that bad, and that continues the ping-ponging. A poster somewhere said the tide might change for Will if his involvement with EJ hurts Sonny in some way, if EJ hurts Sonny in some way, and I think that is accurate - I want to see that happen.

Will as a darker, gray character is great. But I also want to see him as loyal and defending his family at all costs, esp. against someone like EJ. So I hope, whatever dirt Will finds on EJ that he might use merely to be in control of EJ (which would be pretty satisfying to see), I hope he is at least partially truthful about wanting to bring EJ down. I can see it being about both things. And I can also see Will soften in his ardor to double-cross EJ, and then stiffen in his hatred once again. I can see this dynamic changing by the second. Some might call that conflicted and complex; some might call it schizophrenic and directionless. I can see it being both, depends on the writing.

Regardless, I would just like to see Will be more assertive, and flex those family loyalty muscles a bit more now that he is being tested a little.
Smacking him on the face side by side is not bullying to me, Will is not doing anything that he does not want to do. He can easily walk away but he chooses to stay, even telling his family that he enjoys working with him. If it was bullying then Will will would have been to scared to stand up to him and He has many times. He even tried blackmailing him with the Nicole secret, He stands up to him when he feels that Ej is being unreasonable but he also knows his place.

Are we just forgetting that Ej was blackmailed first, it was not Will. It was Will that tried to get over but when the tables were turned, then Will met his match, no sympathy for him. He should no better before he tried to blackmail anyone, a Dimera at that.

Defending his family from who? I hope you don't mean Sami because Will has made it clear that he can careless about how Sami feels about him working for Ej, or anyone for that matter. He likes what he do,I don't see why he needs to protect himself.

In contrast I like Ej/Will for many reasons, one being is that they balance each other out. It is not unrealistic for two people that do not like each other to be working together, because of a working relationship they have. It is similar to Kate and Sami, they worked together to bring Madison down, they put aside their differences. Granted that Sami was playing Kate all along, it was a unique twist. I like the fact that Will can look to Ej about his next assignment, he behaves out of the normal. He is not boring or weak like he was before, but he actually does something that keeps my interest. Finally he is able to do what he wants, when he wants to do it and how he wants to do it.

Until I see Will being forced to work for Ej, I will never see it as bullying.

Edited by JamesScott_19, Jun 25 2012, 09:29 AM.
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Jun 25 2012, 02:07 AM
For me...the "sexually charged dialogue" between EJ and Will are part of what makes it so fun. I know that they are never going to go there for real. I enjoy it. For Sonny and Will I don't really want them to have conversations that are full of innuendo because they CAN go there. I want Will to have a romantic relationship..whether it be Sonny or whoever. I think if they started having the same type of conversations with someone who he would actually get involved with it might turn me off. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm afraid it might. Not because I don't want Will to have a sexual relationship, but because I want a slow-building one that doesn't just have him jumping in bed with someone...at least not someone who he's suddenly "in love" with. If he were to have a one night stand or something then I wouldn't mind that kind of talk so much. Am I making any sense? I might change my mind if these writers knew how to actually write a romance. I know Jack and Jennifer had TONS of innuendo and they are my favorite couple...but there was a lot of humor and a big part of that was Jack's character. I don't know if it would come off the same way from Will or Sonny....they are both so straight-laced (for the most part). Anyway, that's my two cents. :shrug:
The sexual innuendo between EJ and Will is nothing more than foreplay without the sex or without the prospect of sex. This is highly problematic for me for two reasons. First, it's more of the typical no payoff writing from MarDar. It would be tolerable if there was the slightest chance the two of them would engage in their own romp on the DiMera couch; but we all know that is never going to happen. It's nothing more than teasing that moved from enjoyable to annoying long ago. Secondly, it is problematic since the show seems to think the EJ/Will innuendo is an acceptable trade-off or compensation for the desexualization of Will and Sonny either together or with other characters. There is never any foreplay or sex with them (or very little in Will's case). That strikes me as homophobic and offensive. Prime time soaps from the 80s and 90s had gay characters who were more sexual than Will and Sonny. Days should be ashamed of itself for its characterization of them.
Even though I've enjoyed the innuendo for what it is, I agree with this as well. I was also irritated with the implication that Neil and Will were just "hanging out" and didn't spend the night together, when if they were a guy and girl they definitely would have been portrayed as doing so. Sonny has been without a romance his entire tenure on the show. It's very irksome.

Although, I have to say I would really enjoy it if Will, once he gained power over EJ, started flirting with him more intensely and explicitly - just to make EJ uncomfortable.
I do agree with the whole Will/Neil "hanging out" thing. For one...I'm kind of disappointed that we didn't get any explanation from Will to Neil about him running off after they kissed. I mean..seems like that would be a rather important scene. The two guys were last seen making out and then we hear that they were just hanging out together at a gay bar...and that's it? THAT doesn't make any sense. I do wish that they portrayed Sonny or Will as having some kind of sex life...or at least dating. It just isn't realistic that guys their age are not out trying to get laid. I know Sonny is a saint and all ;) but he is a young man and I don't know any guy that age that isn't thinking about sex. They did show him interested in a few guys early on, but it never went anywhere. Will...I can see him being hesitant to a point because this is all new...but at the same time I think if he's hanging out at a gay bar with a guy he made out with..he probably wouldn't be THAT hesitant. But if you think about it...we hardly ever see any of the straight guys their age just going out on random dates. We see them hooking up with other regulars on the show...in "love" stories with other regular characters on the show. You hardly ever see one of the main characters just having a one night stand or going out on dates. It's always a relationship in the making. The only one I can remember doing that right now was Justin. He was portrayed as kind of a playboy and was chasing skirts left and right. But on the whole, most of the men on the show don't really just "date" or go out to get laid.
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