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LuvingLumi
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brazen
Jun 27 2012, 09:14 AM
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I would take Peter over EJ any day of the week....they should get rid of EJ, his character is a total failure as it is.


Total failure? Ridiculous, like him or not, he's the lead actor of this show pulling in the plot the media cares most about right now (EJ and Will). He's got 2 main relationships with large fan bases. He plays a polarizing character with no boundries that gets people to love or hate him. There's a reason why they did all they could to get him to not leave.

Failure is the return of Billie or Lucas, Austin. When they gave them nothing to integrate them into the cast or weave them stories.
I don't give a shit if he's the lead actor...he's lead the show directly into the ground as far as I'm concerned. I'm entitled to my opinion, it's not any more ridiculous than anything else said on this board, so please don't call my opinion ridiculous, because I'm not the only one that feels this way. And you said it best....he's polarizing.....there is a difference when people love to hate a character. I love to hate Kate, Stefano, but with Ej, I just can't stand the fucker anymore, the flip flopping IMHO has truly taken it's toll.

The fact is, this show CAN develop good story lines for the likes of Lucas, Billie, and Austin and there is still hope for that to happen, there characters haven't been written into corners and taken out of corners one time too many like Ej's has.....The other issue is that they have weaved Ej into every fucking storyline he doesn't belong in and for what? Total storyline failures for YEARS now. You might like the Ej and Will dynamic and I'm not so sure that the press gives a shit if people like it or not, they zero in on it because it's featured so heavily and I'm just hoping that at the end of it, Will is so determined to learn Ej's doing so he can take him down using his very own methods.

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JamesScott_19
Jun 27 2012, 09:14 AM
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Jun 26 2012, 01:14 PM
Nelson Branco @nelliebranco
@SoapUncensored will be coming up shortly.
2:01 PM - 26 Jun 12 via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Did this guy ever announce what he was going to do?

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Yes, read the Eileen thread....
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

LuvingLumi
Jun 27 2012, 09:23 AM
brazen
Jun 27 2012, 09:14 AM
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I would take Peter over EJ any day of the week....they should get rid of EJ, his character is a total failure as it is.


Total failure? Ridiculous, like him or not, he's the lead actor of this show pulling in the plot the media cares most about right now (EJ and Will). He's got 2 main relationships with large fan bases. He plays a polarizing character with no boundries that gets people to love or hate him. There's a reason why they did all they could to get him to not leave.

Failure is the return of Billie or Lucas, Austin. When they gave them nothing to integrate them into the cast or weave them stories.
I don't give a shit if he's the lead actor...he's lead the show directly into the ground as far as I'm concerned. I'm entitled to my opinion, it's not any more ridiculous than anything else said on this board, so please don't call my opinion ridiculous, because I'm not the only one that feels this way. And you said it best....he's polarizing.....there is a difference when people love to hate a character. I love to hate Kate, Stefano, but with Ej, I just can't stand the fucker anymore, the flip flopping IMHO has truly taken it's toll.

The fact is, this show CAN develop good story lines for the likes of Lucas, Billie, and Austin and there is still hope for that to happen, there characters haven't been written into corners and taken out of corners one time too many like Ej's has.....The other issue is that they have weaved Ej into every fucking storyline he doesn't belong in and for what? Total storyline failures for YEARS now. You might like the Ej and Will dynamic and I'm not so sure that the press gives a shit if people like it or not, they zero in on it because it's featured so heavily and I'm just hoping that at the end of it, Will is so determined to learn Ej's doing so he can take him down using his very own methods.

The show can develop good stories for them but they are not. Billie is pretty forgettable, Lucas is Sami's lap dog and Austin is about to leave the show.'

I happen to love the Ej/Will story, they balance each other well.

I don't think James will save the show if he was to leave, neither do I think he is the reason why the show is on the air. But I don't think getting rid of him will be the solution.

As far as Ej being in EVERY story, the only stories, I have to disagree with that. His storylines are tied in with each other, not like it is separate.

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JamesScott_19
Jun 27 2012, 09:28 AM
LuvingLumi
Jun 27 2012, 09:23 AM
brazen
Jun 27 2012, 09:14 AM
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I would take Peter over EJ any day of the week....they should get rid of EJ, his character is a total failure as it is.


Total failure? Ridiculous, like him or not, he's the lead actor of this show pulling in the plot the media cares most about right now (EJ and Will). He's got 2 main relationships with large fan bases. He plays a polarizing character with no boundries that gets people to love or hate him. There's a reason why they did all they could to get him to not leave.

Failure is the return of Billie or Lucas, Austin. When they gave them nothing to integrate them into the cast or weave them stories.
I don't give a shit if he's the lead actor...he's lead the show directly into the ground as far as I'm concerned. I'm entitled to my opinion, it's not any more ridiculous than anything else said on this board, so please don't call my opinion ridiculous, because I'm not the only one that feels this way. And you said it best....he's polarizing.....there is a difference when people love to hate a character. I love to hate Kate, Stefano, but with Ej, I just can't stand the fucker anymore, the flip flopping IMHO has truly taken it's toll.

The fact is, this show CAN develop good story lines for the likes of Lucas, Billie, and Austin and there is still hope for that to happen, there characters haven't been written into corners and taken out of corners one time too many like Ej's has.....The other issue is that they have weaved Ej into every fucking storyline he doesn't belong in and for what? Total storyline failures for YEARS now. You might like the Ej and Will dynamic and I'm not so sure that the press gives a shit if people like it or not, they zero in on it because it's featured so heavily and I'm just hoping that at the end of it, Will is so determined to learn Ej's doing so he can take him down using his very own methods.

The show can develop good stories for them but they are not. Billie is pretty forgettable, Lucas is Sami's lap dog and Austin is about to leave the show.'

I happen to love the Ej/Will story, they balance each other well.

I don't think James will save the show if he was to leave, neither do I think he is the reason why the show is on the air. But I don't think getting rid of him will be the solution.

As far as Ej being in EVERY story, the only stories, I have to disagree with that. His storylines are tied in with each other, not like it is separate.

Sorry but he had NO REASON to be in Will's coming out story, NONE.
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LuvingLumi
Jun 27 2012, 09:23 AM
brazen
Jun 27 2012, 09:14 AM
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I would take Peter over EJ any day of the week....they should get rid of EJ, his character is a total failure as it is.


Total failure? Ridiculous, like him or not, he's the lead actor of this show pulling in the plot the media cares most about right now (EJ and Will). He's got 2 main relationships with large fan bases. He plays a polarizing character with no boundries that gets people to love or hate him. There's a reason why they did all they could to get him to not leave.

Failure is the return of Billie or Lucas, Austin. When they gave them nothing to integrate them into the cast or weave them stories.
I don't give a shit if he's the lead actor...he's lead the show directly into the ground as far as I'm concerned. I'm entitled to my opinion, it's not any more ridiculous than anything else said on this board, so please don't call my opinion ridiculous, because I'm not the only one that feels this way. And you said it best....he's polarizing.....there is a difference when people love to hate a character. I love to hate Kate, Stefano, but with Ej, I just can't stand the fucker anymore, the flip flopping IMHO has truly taken it's toll.

The fact is, this show CAN develop good story lines for the likes of Lucas, Billie, and Austin and there is still hope for that to happen, there characters haven't been written into corners and taken out of corners one time too many like Ej's has.....The other issue is that they have weaved Ej into every fucking storyline he doesn't belong in and for what? Total storyline failures for YEARS now. You might like the Ej and Will dynamic and I'm not so sure that the press gives a shit if people like it or not, they zero in on it because it's featured so heavily and I'm just hoping that at the end of it, Will is so determined to learn Ej's doing so he can take him down using his very own methods.

It is ridiculous because the word failure means the character is failing and it's not. If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore. Madison is and was a failure. She's done and gone. Ian, another failure. Done and gone. They don't overpay and go over the episode minimums for failures, they put the characters that do well as airtime hogs.

NBC has focus polling for a reason, they know what works they know what people are watching. They know what people are fast forwarding. They know
what people stop and start watching at. In your opinion you may hate the character however the character is NOT a failure.

I can't stand Rafe at all or the way he's in every story. He flip flops just as much as anyone. He's gone from yelling at how bad cheating is to cheating with Carrie on Austin while trying to help Nicole deny EJ rights all while saying he's not a bias cop. BUT I cannot say his character is a failure. I may not like him, but he's not a failure.

This show has no intention of developing anything for Lucas. Billie or Austin. Austin's gone. Billie gets one or two scenes a month that revolve around ISA. Lucas gets the most but even Bryan Datillo himself is still complaining in interviews that Lucas has no love, job, home etc.. New writers are there and Lucas still has nothing.

The press is zeroing in on Will and EJ because it's interesting, good/bad and even funny with the dialog that can be taken other ways. If they didn't care they wouldn't be asking about it all the time. I don't see the press asking everyone about Abby and Cameron.
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If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore

Even completely ignoring EJ, this is so not true. There are a lot of character's who have failed who are still in the show.
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Now don't come whoopin' my ass at the grocery store cause I picked on your fav on here!

I don't consider EJ a failure at all. Love him or hate him, he gets people talking. Even bad press is good press.

It is undeniable that EJ, Sami, EJami, Nicole and EJole get people talking. People love them, hate them. All for valid reasons.

It doens't make any of them a failure.

For ever pro about EJ, theres someone else's con, the same can be said about Rafe, Sami, Nicole. All of them. Just depends on who is a fan or not. Each fan will validate their own favorite's actions. They all have done heinous shit. Every single one of them. Angel Rafe included.

Its a soap. Thats what they do. I don't give a shit about these people. They aren't my relation, or my neighbors. I wanna see then get fucked over, fuck somebody over an get to fuckn. Thats a soap to me.

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Jun 27 2012, 09:50 AM
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If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore

Even completely ignoring EJ, this is so not true. There are a lot of character's who have failed who are still in the show.
According to who though? Fans? Just because I hate a character I can't declare it an overall show failure. I may not like it and someone else may not
like it, but 50 people in Idaho may like it.

I don't have privy to the knowledge that NBC has with the viewer polling numbers and DVR statistics to make blanket statements about who is a fail and who is not.
The show has come out and said Madison is a failure. EJ's not. Rafe's not. Bo's not despite him leaving, Will's not. Abby's not. Etc. etc.
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Jun 27 2012, 09:50 AM
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If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore

Even completely ignoring EJ, this is so not true. There are a lot of character's who have failed who are still in the show.
*cough cough* Gabi , Chad, Cameron, NuCeleste, Taniel, Mel.....lol
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brazen
Jun 27 2012, 09:47 AM
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Jun 27 2012, 09:23 AM
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Jun 27 2012, 09:14 AM
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I would take Peter over EJ any day of the week....they should get rid of EJ, his character is a total failure as it is.


Total failure? Ridiculous, like him or not, he's the lead actor of this show pulling in the plot the media cares most about right now (EJ and Will). He's got 2 main relationships with large fan bases. He plays a polarizing character with no boundries that gets people to love or hate him. There's a reason why they did all they could to get him to not leave.

Failure is the return of Billie or Lucas, Austin. When they gave them nothing to integrate them into the cast or weave them stories.
I don't give a shit if he's the lead actor...he's lead the show directly into the ground as far as I'm concerned. I'm entitled to my opinion, it's not any more ridiculous than anything else said on this board, so please don't call my opinion ridiculous, because I'm not the only one that feels this way. And you said it best....he's polarizing.....there is a difference when people love to hate a character. I love to hate Kate, Stefano, but with Ej, I just can't stand the fucker anymore, the flip flopping IMHO has truly taken it's toll.

The fact is, this show CAN develop good story lines for the likes of Lucas, Billie, and Austin and there is still hope for that to happen, there characters haven't been written into corners and taken out of corners one time too many like Ej's has.....The other issue is that they have weaved Ej into every fucking storyline he doesn't belong in and for what? Total storyline failures for YEARS now. You might like the Ej and Will dynamic and I'm not so sure that the press gives a shit if people like it or not, they zero in on it because it's featured so heavily and I'm just hoping that at the end of it, Will is so determined to learn Ej's doing so he can take him down using his very own methods.

It is ridiculous because the word failure means the character is failing and it's not. If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore. Madison is and was a failure. She's done and gone. Ian, another failure. Done and gone. They don't overpay and go over the episode minimums for failures, they put the characters that do well as airtime hogs.

NBC has focus polling for a reason, they know what works they know what people are watching. They know what people are fast forwarding. They know
what people stop and start watching at. In your opinion you may hate the character however the character is NOT a failure.

I can't stand Rafe at all or the way he's in every story. He flip flops just as much as anyone. He's gone from yelling at how bad cheating is to cheating with Carrie on Austin while trying to help Nicole deny EJ rights all while saying he's not a bias cop. BUT I cannot say his character is a failure. I may not like him, but he's not a failure.

This show has no intention of developing anything for Lucas. Billie or Austin. Austin's gone. Billie gets one or two scenes a month that revolve around ISA. Lucas gets the most but even Bryan Datillo himself is still complaining in interviews that Lucas has no love, job, home etc.. New writers are there and Lucas still has nothing.

The press is zeroing in on Will and EJ because it's interesting, good/bad and even funny with the dialog that can be taken other ways. If they didn't care they wouldn't be asking about it all the time. I don't see the press asking everyone about Abby and Cameron.
Okay...here it is in a nutshell. I, (LUVINGLUMI) think that EJ (the character) sucks royal ass. MY opinion is no more ridiculous that anything else said on this board by anyone else. IF YOU think that my opinion is ridiculous then it must mean that YOU disagree with me and you could state that but going into a debate by stating that my opinion is ridiculous isn't the way to go I think. Your opinion is NOT any more valid than mine or factual for that matter. AN OPINION is like an asshole, we all have one. Me might agree on some and disagree on others but neither are ridiculous.

NBC has focus polling for a reason...but the network sucks ass....it's last in their prime time line up and days has been struggling for YEARS....so what good is focus polling if it doesn't help the network improve?

On the rest of what you said....are you a writer? How do you know they don't intend to develop anything for Lucas or anyone else not yet slated to have gotten fired? I might have my reservations for TomSell, but I can't say that I know for a fact that because BD said that Lucas has no home (which BTW he's never had), no job (which BTW we don't know what causes him to lose his) and no woman (same thing we don't know what happens to get from point a to point b) means that Lucas will have nothing to do. Why don't you speak about Brady? and his obvious lack of storyline? I see a bigger problem for him than I do for Lucas.

Oh and one last thing....I am not sure why you state that if a character was failing they wouldn't be around. There are characters that haven't failed, which have gotten written off and by the same measure there are characters that have failed miserably (Dan, Mel, Rafe) that have not gotten written off.....how exactly is Rafe not a failure? Seriously...he has no ties to anyone on canvas except his teenage sister. He isn't a member of a core family, he's vanilla except when he's lusting for his ex wife's sister and to top it all off he's played by an actor with very little range. The reason he's still on is because certain people have a preference for him or favor the actor....
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While I certainly don't think the character of EJ is a failure, there are characters that are failures still on the show.

Daniel anyone??

He hasn't had one story that didn't end up in the toliet.

As to EJ's "popularity", I do think he is a popular character. I do think NBC does know something (and I stress something) about who generates any ratings successes on the show. I emphasize something because NBC can't know too much look at the rest of the network....it's TANKING. But apparently, not only does NBC think EJ deserves the time, Sony, Corday & the writers do too or else he wouldn't be involved in so many stories.

Personally, I love EJ's character because I continually think "what could be" for him. JS is a talented actor who managed to get folks talking about EJ and getting the character made into a permanent fixture when he was suppose to be gone in 2006. I do think the character has flip flopped quite a bit thru the years & I blame Corday & the writers for that sh#t. But the character of EJ IMO has huge potential & I imagine he'll be around until JS decides to call it a day.
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Jun 27 2012, 09:58 AM
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Jun 27 2012, 09:50 AM
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If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore

Even completely ignoring EJ, this is so not true. There are a lot of character's who have failed who are still in the show.
According to who though? Fans? Just because I hate a character I can't declare it an overall show failure. I may not like it and someone else may not
like it, but 50 people in Idaho may like it.

I don't have privy to the knowledge that NBC has with the viewer polling numbers and DVR statistics to make blanket statements about who is a fail and who is not.
The show has come out and said Madison is a failure. EJ's not. Rafe's not. Bo's not despite him leaving, Will's not. Abby's not. Etc. etc.
Then how can you make that statement that if a character was failing they would be already written out? Remember this a character fails primarily because of the writing, and it excels primarily because of the same reason. Just because Madison was written out doesn't mean another writer can't come and make Madison SHINE.....this particular writer didn't want to deal with a former writers creation....regardless of if it was a failing or not.
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LuvingLumi
Jun 27 2012, 10:09 AM
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Jun 27 2012, 09:58 AM
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Jun 27 2012, 09:50 AM
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If the character was failing then the character wouldn't be here anymore

Even completely ignoring EJ, this is so not true. There are a lot of character's who have failed who are still in the show.
According to who though? Fans? Just because I hate a character I can't declare it an overall show failure. I may not like it and someone else may not
like it, but 50 people in Idaho may like it.

I don't have privy to the knowledge that NBC has with the viewer polling numbers and DVR statistics to make blanket statements about who is a fail and who is not.
The show has come out and said Madison is a failure. EJ's not. Rafe's not. Bo's not despite him leaving, Will's not. Abby's not. Etc. etc.
Then how can you make that statement that if a character was failing they would be already written out? Remember this a character fails primarily because of the writing, and it excels primarily because of the same reason. Just because Madison was written out doesn't mean another writer can't come and make Madison SHINE.....this particular writer didn't want to deal with a former writers creation....regardless of if it was a failing or not.
She wasn't fired by the writers. It wasn't their choice to cut their losses with a character that was not working. Writers don't make firing and hiring choices. Hire ups who know the data did. Sarah Brown isn't cheap there's lots that go into trying to make a character work and if the money vs statistics wasn't making sense to them they cut the loses and they did.

The new writers didn't come in and say "we're firing Matt Ashford." Read his interview down below. The new writers versus old writers isn't the in charge people here.

And I'm not even going to bother explain "failure" anymore because it doesn't seem to make logic to you. I agree with you completely 100% about Rafe/GG, but you know what? I'm not the only viewer, there's lots of viewers who aren't on the internet, lots of viewers all over the place that aren't on this board. I can't speak for them to say what they like and what they don't. You may, but I won't.

Rafe has fans who like him with Carrie, Rafe has fans who like him with Sami. I'm not going to make a blanket statement saying that he's a failure of a character when people obviously do like his character and it's not true. I may not be one of them who like him, but that doesn't make him a failure. Lots of people could like him for everyone that doesn't.
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Whatever one thinks about whether characters are failures or not, there's no question that the show itself is failing. And it has been for years with certain characters taking the lead on an almost daily basis. The ratings have spiralled downward with only an occasional blip accomplished after major promotional efforts on the show's part. The only viewers who regularly stay with the show now are those who like or at least can stand the current lineup. Many more viewers have just turned away or watch clips here and there when they can pick and choose which parts they want to watch. This is not good for the show as a whole.

As for other characters mentioned, however problematic the Ian and Madison characters are, they were primarily dismissed by the new/old writers because they were created by the previous regime. The actors in those parts were first-rate so something could have been done, but the current regime wasn't interested in doing that because it was too busy dismantling most of what occurred in the past year. Cameron, thus far, has somehow remained, probably due to his youth and to the fact that he's pretty much a clean slate for any new writer walking in.

The re-set was supposed to be about bringing back lost viewers, especially those who wanted to come back but were kept from doing so because of abysmal storyines/writing. That worked for a short time. But then the show went right back to doing pretty much what it had been doing for the last several years (with basically the same set of characters) and the re-set was a bust.

NBC should be polling not just the current dwindling set of viewers, but also their vast potential audience that they're not reaching. They should be trying to figure out why that is so. My theory is that they arrogantly think they already have the answers and are deciding on behalf of the audience what it should like. That's why they're in so much trouble as a network.




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Ah, EJ. "Failure" is a difficult word. It's hard to say he's a failure when it's possible he's the most popular character on the show. At the same time though, he's the most featured character on the show, so he's what people see and talk about---that's because he's what the show mainly gives us to talk about. Yet the show has done poorly and more poorly with EJ and Sami in the forefornt, but a lot comes into play there. Could there be a far better most featured character? I certainly think so. Do JS's phenomenal looks play in a lot? Almost certainly. To me, and this is why, EJ is a failure: no consistency, no direction, constant waffling, no depth. I really liked EJ when I thought he was complex, but I lost interest when I realized it wasn't complexity, but rather inconsistency. I never know what EJ will do, but I don't think that's a good thing. I think that's because the character has no foundation, and he just does whatever the writers need him to do for plot. I will credit JS for trying to give EJ some sense of consistent personality.

Is EJ's continued presence evidence of him not being a failure though? Of course not, as pointed out, Dan and Rafe are still on the show!
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I think the fact that we're having multiple resets and that they're trying to save the show again is enough evidence that something isn't working. Yes, it's the writing, but the writing for some characters has never worked. I don't need failure defined for me. I know what it means. I also know what it looks like and I see it everyday on NBC at 1:00. Long lasting character's aren't neceasarily successes. Or maybe thy would be but what's been done with them has failed.
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Jun 27 2012, 10:15 AM
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According to who though? Fans? Just because I hate a character I can't declare it an overall show failure. I may not like it and someone else may not
like it, but 50 people in Idaho may like it.

I don't have privy to the knowledge that NBC has with the viewer polling numbers and DVR statistics to make blanket statements about who is a fail and who is not.
The show has come out and said Madison is a failure. EJ's not. Rafe's not. Bo's not despite him leaving, Will's not. Abby's not. Etc. etc.
Then how can you make that statement that if a character was failing they would be already written out? Remember this a character fails primarily because of the writing, and it excels primarily because of the same reason. Just because Madison was written out doesn't mean another writer can't come and make Madison SHINE.....this particular writer didn't want to deal with a former writers creation....regardless of if it was a failing or not.
She wasn't fired by the writers. It wasn't their choice to cut their losses with a character that was not working. Writers don't make firing and hiring choices. Hire ups who know the data did. Sarah Brown isn't cheap there's lots that go into trying to make a character work and if the money vs statistics wasn't making sense to them they cut the loses and they did.

The new writers didn't come in and say "we're firing Matt Ashford." Read his interview down below. The new writers versus old writers isn't the in charge people here.

And I'm not even going to bother explain "failure" anymore because it doesn't seem to make logic to you. I agree with you completely 100% about Rafe/GG, but you know what? I'm not the only viewer, there's lots of viewers who aren't on the internet, lots of viewers all over the place that aren't on this board. I can't speak for them to say what they like and what they don't. You may, but I won't.

Rafe has fans who like him with Carrie, Rafe has fans who like him with Sami. I'm not going to make a blanket statement saying that he's a failure of a character when people obviously do like his character and it's not true. I may not be one of them who like him, but that doesn't make him a failure. Lots of people could like him for everyone that doesn't.
I think there are a bunch of assumptions and inaccuracies in this post.

And again....I don't need an explanation of failure...I know what it means and I have an OPINION that Ej's character isn't successful. Popularity doesn't measure success to me, neither does air time, neither does writer/producer preferences for certain actors.
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IMO, failure would be to keep putting Sami front and center in every story. That has been done since 07 and its failed miserably. Why TPTB never take into account, I can only attribute to AS having NBC pull.
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Jun 27 2012, 10:09 AM
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According to who though? Fans? Just because I hate a character I can't declare it an overall show failure. I may not like it and someone else may not
like it, but 50 people in Idaho may like it.

I don't have privy to the knowledge that NBC has with the viewer polling numbers and DVR statistics to make blanket statements about who is a fail and who is not.
The show has come out and said Madison is a failure. EJ's not. Rafe's not. Bo's not despite him leaving, Will's not. Abby's not. Etc. etc.
Then how can you make that statement that if a character was failing they would be already written out? Remember this a character fails primarily because of the writing, and it excels primarily because of the same reason. Just because Madison was written out doesn't mean another writer can't come and make Madison SHINE.....this particular writer didn't want to deal with a former writers creation....regardless of if it was a failing or not.
She wasn't fired by the writers. It wasn't their choice to cut their losses with a character that was not working. Writers don't make firing and hiring choices. Hire ups who know the data did. Sarah Brown isn't cheap there's lots that go into trying to make a character work and if the money vs statistics wasn't making sense to them they cut the loses and they did.

The new writers didn't come in and say "we're firing Matt Ashford." Read his interview down below. The new writers versus old writers isn't the in charge people here.

And I'm not even going to bother explain "failure" anymore because it doesn't seem to make logic to you. I agree with you completely 100% about Rafe/GG, but you know what? I'm not the only viewer, there's lots of viewers who aren't on the internet, lots of viewers all over the place that aren't on this board. I can't speak for them to say what they like and what they don't. You may, but I won't.

Rafe has fans who like him with Carrie, Rafe has fans who like him with Sami. I'm not going to make a blanket statement saying that he's a failure of a character when people obviously do like his character and it's not true. I may not be one of them who like him, but that doesn't make him a failure. Lots of people could like him for everyone that doesn't.
You hit the nail right on the head.

I've seen this for years now. Why is Rafe still here? Why is Daniel still here? Why can't they get rid of Melanie? These characters have fans. I've seen it myself. There are several people who work at my office who started watching Days again in 2009 and actually enjoy Rafe, Melanie, Sami, EJ, etc. My mother STOPPED watching this year when Melanie and Nicole were hardly on. She also missed seeing Daniel. There are different tastes out there. Different viewers. The show has info that reflects that. Characters like Rafe and Daniel are still here because they are popular enough to be. Melanie lasted as long as she did because she was popular. The writing for them may suck but the actors are liked enough that the show can't justify getting rid of them because they have fans and people still like the characters despite the writing flaws. The show can't and won't ever please anyone. They tried that under MarDar and failed miserably. Your always going to have people on both sides of the fence. The thing is that if a character is still around 4-5 years later, there's a reason why and that reason has to be popularity. For every person who hates Rafe or EJ or whomever, there is others who love them and only watch for them. That has always been the case with any show. I'm sure there have been cases like that throughout history on this show. This isn't just some new development. The show has to go with the comprehensive information they have. They can't just look at one message board or at message boards, in general, to decide what to do. That is way to small a sample size.
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Jun 27 2012, 10:29 AM
I think the fact that we're having multiple resets and that they're trying to save the show again is enough evidence that something isn't working. Yes, it's the writing, but the writing for some characters has never worked. I don't need failure defined for me. I know what it means. I also know what it looks like and I see it everyday on NBC at 1:00. Long lasting character's aren't neceasarily successes. Or maybe thy would be but what's been done with them has failed.
If a character/actor strikes a chord with the audience and becomes popular, that is a success. If they don't do that, they are out the door. A show isn't just going to keep someone around for the sake of doing so. They can just kick that character or actor to the curb and start over with someone else.

The writing for characters like Rafe, Daniel, Gabi, etc has been a failure. That doesn't mean they still can't be popular and become even more popular with BETTER writing.
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