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Tuesday, June 26th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 25 2012, 02:25 PM (8,316 Views)
elci525
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Jun 25 2012, 04:02 PM
elci525
Jun 25 2012, 03:48 PM
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Jun 25 2012, 03:07 PM
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lucas says you should be thinking about school not work

How nice for people who grew up with Mommy paying for everything and giving you jobs. Will and most college students don't have that. Lucas got all his work from Kate and now he only has a job because Sami (of all people in the world) had to give him one. EJ should follow through on his threat and make Will both their bosses. Serve both Sami and Lucas right since Will does far more work with college and Mayor's office than either of them appear to work.
I don't get what the big deal is. Will is in college right now; school should be his top priority. I work-studied throughout school, and was glad to do it. But classes and school work were always my first priority, as they should have been. Lucas is being a responsible, rational parent by saying that, and it's true. The job with EJ is ephemeral at best. It could teach him some important life lessons, but, really, why would Lucas or Sami or any of Will's family want to see him prioritize and privilege work for EJ over his schoolwork? And what work is Will doing with college? Really? Especially since working for EJ? I have seen one mention a few months ago where I think someone told him here are the notes for the class you missed. I admit we haven't seen any of the teen set go to class, as that is pretty boring to watch, but I am just saying this to try to prove that Lucas is not on some other planet making this completely ridiculous suggestion to his son. Sami wants him to have work, but honest work, and she is right about that. I don't think Lucas would disagree, he is just trying to give his son some perspective, help him refocus his priorities. What is so wrong about that? Lucas does many things wrong, but I don't think this was one of them.

Is Will's family going to provide for him? Buy all his books and food and clothes until he's done school? Sami had no job and couldn't afford rent not to long ago, she got herself a free apartment from EJ just like Will got. He doesn't even live or want to live with Lucas or Sami. We don't even know where Lucas lives or if he's even got his own apartment (According to Bryan's latest interview, he has no home.)

Will got himself an apartment, car and works for money to pay his own way at school, provide for himself and be independent. That's what people go to college to be learn to be able to do. Get out of college and be able to support yourself. Will's doing it now.

Lucas himself only has a job because it was given to him by Sami, he now also has EJ as his boss.
Sami works for EJ.
Lucas (runs around calling him evil yet he ) works for EJ.

Why can't Will work for EJ while he also goes to school? As long as his school work isn't suffering (and since they never show him at school or mention
his grades we can just assume they're not suffering).

Lucas and Sami's reaction is all just contrived crap for some redo of a triangle they've done already. It's really got nothing to do with Will or his education while
working for EJ. It's about EJ/Sami/Lucas.
I don't really understand how the fact of how Lucas or Sami got their job matters. My parents, most of the parents I know, when their children are in school, want their children to focus on school. What is so, so wrong with that - I mean, in all seriousness? Why is it wrong for Lucas to want to see his son more committed to his studies than to working for a DiMera (as far as Lucas still knows)? Why is it wrong to think there is more security focusing on school than in hitching oneself to the Dimera bandwagon? I really don't understand the fuss. If Will wants to get a job in order to buy himself books, have an allowance for the week, etc. fine. That is one thing. I can't imagine Lucas having a problem with that. It's quite another thing to be seemingly at EJ's every beck and call doing god knows what and getting into god knows how much trouble (Lucas and Sami can only suspect the worst, given that they know EJ, and that Will isn't filling them in on what his job entails). All of this is informing Lucas.

By your logic, we also can't assume Will's schoolwork isn't suffering.

And how anything Lucas does is contrived crap to support a EJ/Sami/Lucas triangle more than anything else is, I don't know. In this regard, EJill is contrived crap to support EJ/Sami/Lucas. Will asking EJ what he ever saw in Sami is contrived crap. All the strange sudden BFF moments between EJ and Sami is contrived crap. The dance at the end of the week should it happen is contrived crap. EJ interrupting the Lumi kiss back in April during family fun day is contrived crap. and the list goes on and on and on. Why is Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? Is Sami telling Will he should be happy with any work that is honest contrived crap? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I mean honestly, who would blame a parent, call him or her out of line and guilty of coddling his/her child and not giving this child realistic real-world expectations, for saying that??

Again, Lucas does a lot wrong, but I don't think these three words of advice are so, so very ridiculous and worthy of censure.
Edited by elci525, Jun 25 2012, 04:32 PM.
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Sami must be the most idiotic women in the world, who the hell is chummy with the man who is blackmailing their son, again. Lucas deserves better, let Sami go back to Rafe so that I can ff both of them
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Why Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? why??? sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


In a word? Timing.

Lucas's wanting school to be Will's priority comes at the same time he's being Sami's 3rd father telling her not to go over to EJ's.
Don't confront EJ, Don't go anywhere near EJ, stay away from EJ, etc. etc. etc. Then Sami goes and does the opposite of what Lucas orders her to do. It all ties together in the episode.

If this was Lucas and Will on their own (no Sami, not EJ obsession) having a chat and Lucas being a father and parent to him continuously while Lucas had been back, then that would more appear to be a normal parental talk. Instead this is all about EJ and at the same time all about Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ. Getting mad when she goes over to see EJ.

Lucas's parenting of his son ends up being all about EJ. It's not Lucas's fault, it's the writers but when Lucas and Will barely share scenes and when they do it's all about Lucas lecturing him and Sami about EJ it's contrived EJ/Lucas/Sami triangle junk.


And how Sami and Lucas got their job matters since they work for the same man they claim Will should not work for. Where's the parental logic
of that, "we can work for him, you can't."
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Jun 25 2012, 04:32 PM
Sami must be the most idiotic women in the world, who the hell is chummy with the man who is blackmailing their son, again. Lucas deserves better, let Sami go back to Rafe so that I can ff both of them
Not only that..but

1.) Raped her
2.) Tried to kill her husband
3.) Kidnapped her husband
4.) Hired a look-a-like who continually raped her over and over
5.) Nearly barfed after he realized he just porked her
6.) Made her think her child was killed

am I missing anything?

I am no SAFE fan, so I am not pushing any agenda...just agreeing that Sami is a HUGE idiot!
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Please make Sami work for Will.
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Jun 25 2012, 04:35 PM
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Why Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? why??? sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


In a word? Timing.

Lucas's wanting school to be Will's priority comes at the same time he's being Sami's 3rd father telling her not to go over to EJ's.
Don't confront EJ, Don't go anywhere near EJ, stay away from EJ, etc. etc. etc. Then Sami goes and does the opposite of what Lucas orders her to do. It all ties together in the episode.

If this was Lucas and Will on their own (no Sami, not EJ obsession) having a chat and Lucas being a father and parent to him continuously while Lucas had been back, then that would more appear to be a normal parental talk. Instead this is all about EJ and at the same time all about Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ. Getting mad when she goes over to see EJ.

Lucas's parenting of his son ends up being all about EJ. It's not Lucas's fault, it's the writers but when Lucas and Will barely share scenes and when they do it's all about Lucas lecturing him and Sami about EJ it's contrived EJ/Lucas/Sami triangle junk.

And how Sami and Lucas got their job matters since they work for the same man they claim Will should not work for. Where's the parental logic
of that, "we can work for him, you can't."
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Jun 25 2012, 04:36 PM
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Please make Sami work for Will.


I want to see it too it would be funny!
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brazen
Jun 25 2012, 04:02 PM
elci525
Jun 25 2012, 03:48 PM
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Jun 25 2012, 03:07 PM
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lucas says you should be thinking about school not work

How nice for people who grew up with Mommy paying for everything and giving you jobs. Will and most college students don't have that. Lucas got all his work from Kate and now he only has a job because Sami (of all people in the world) had to give him one. EJ should follow through on his threat and make Will both their bosses. Serve both Sami and Lucas right since Will does far more work with college and Mayor's office than either of them appear to work.
I don't get what the big deal is. Will is in college right now; school should be his top priority. I work-studied throughout school, and was glad to do it. But classes and school work were always my first priority, as they should have been. Lucas is being a responsible, rational parent by saying that, and it's true. The job with EJ is ephemeral at best. It could teach him some important life lessons, but, really, why would Lucas or Sami or any of Will's family want to see him prioritize and privilege work for EJ over his schoolwork? And what work is Will doing with college? Really? Especially since working for EJ? I have seen one mention a few months ago where I think someone told him here are the notes for the class you missed. I admit we haven't seen any of the teen set go to class, as that is pretty boring to watch, but I am just saying this to try to prove that Lucas is not on some other planet making this completely ridiculous suggestion to his son. Sami wants him to have work, but honest work, and she is right about that. I don't think Lucas would disagree, he is just trying to give his son some perspective, help him refocus his priorities. What is so wrong about that? Lucas does many things wrong, but I don't think this was one of them.
Is Will's family going to provide for him? Buy all his books and food and clothes until he's done school? Sami had no job and couldn't afford rent not to long ago, she got herself a free apartment from EJ just like Will got. He doesn't even live or want to live with Lucas or Sami. We don't even know where Lucas lives or if he's even got his own apartment (According to Bryan's latest interview, he has no home.)

Will got himself an apartment, car and works for money to pay his own way at school, provide for himself and be independent. That's what people go to college to be learn to be able to do. Get out of college and be able to support yourself. Will's doing it now.

Lucas himself only has a job because it was given to him by Sami, he now also has EJ as his boss.
Sami works for EJ.
Lucas (runs around calling him evil yet he ) works for EJ.

Why can't Will work for EJ while he also goes to school? As long as his school work isn't suffering (and since they never show him at school or mention
his grades we can just assume they're not suffering).

Lucas and Sami's reaction is all just contrived crap for some redo of a triangle they've done already. It's really got nothing to do with Will or his education while
working for EJ. It's about EJ/Sami/Lucas.
Will can have ANY OTHER job in Salem....he can work with Sonny at the coffee house. He can tend to his family's pub.....what is Ej the only avenue for employment in Salem? NO.....
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Saw the Ejami scenes and realized I had a goofy grin on my face at the end of them. They are back to their old 2007 dynamic. FINALLY.
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Epi was not my cup of tea, too much SL crap that seems too funky to get my head around. I think I will let the dust settle on this one. Almost seems like parts of this epi should have played out a few weeks ago. I don't like the timing of any of it. Strange and definitely not of the caliber of 2 epi's I raved about last week.
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Jun 25 2012, 04:36 PM
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Why Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? why??? sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


In a word? Timing.

Lucas's wanting school to be Will's priority comes at the same time he's being Sami's 3rd father telling her not to go over to EJ's.
Don't confront EJ, Don't go anywhere near EJ, stay away from EJ, etc. etc. etc. Then Sami goes and does the opposite of what Lucas orders her to do. It all ties together in the episode.

If this was Lucas and Will on their own (no Sami, not EJ obsession) having a chat and Lucas being a father and parent to him continuously while Lucas had been back, then that would more appear to be a normal parental talk. Instead this is all about EJ and at the same time all about Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ. Getting mad when she goes over to see EJ.

Lucas's parenting of his son ends up being all about EJ. It's not Lucas's fault, it's the writers but when Lucas and Will barely share scenes and when they do it's all about Lucas lecturing him and Sami about EJ it's contrived EJ/Lucas/Sami triangle junk.

And how Sami and Lucas got their job matters since they work for the same man they claim Will should not work for. Where's the parental logic
of that, "we can work for him, you can't."
Lucas has always told Sami what to do and she never listens....that is their dynamic, some hate it, others love it but it's them and it's in character for both of them to behave this way.

What isn't in character is for Sami again dismissing Ej's actions of blackmailing Will for the second time in a few months. That isn't in character.....AT ALL
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Why Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? why??? sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


In a word? Timing.

Lucas's wanting school to be Will's priority comes at the same time he's being Sami's 3rd father telling her not to go over to EJ's.
Don't confront EJ, Don't go anywhere near EJ, stay away from EJ, etc. etc. etc. Then Sami goes and does the opposite of what Lucas orders her to do. It all ties together in the episode.

If this was Lucas and Will on their own (no Sami, not EJ obsession) having a chat and Lucas being a father and parent to him continuously while Lucas had been back, then that would more appear to be a normal parental talk. Instead this is all about EJ and at the same time all about Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ. Getting mad when she goes over to see EJ.

Lucas's parenting of his son ends up being all about EJ. It's not Lucas's fault, it's the writers but when Lucas and Will barely share scenes and when they do it's all about Lucas lecturing him and Sami about EJ it's contrived EJ/Lucas/Sami triangle junk.


And how Sami and Lucas got their job matters since they work for the same man they claim Will should not work for. Where's the parental logic
of that, "we can work for him, you can't."
They only work for that same man after the death of his father.

IT's not the first or last time that people will be forced into working for the Dimeras...actually Sami, Lucas, Kate and others have done it before....and Lucas and Sami at least know how to protect themselves because they aren't vulnerable teens working for the Dimeras for the first time. Will has a LOT on his plate, having to worry if someone is going to double cross you, or frame you for something you didn't do isn't something he should be concerning himself with now.
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Sami was way too nice to EJ about him blackmailing her son. Don't care if his father and sister just died, blackmaiing is a crime!
Show was as flat as a pancake, it had potential for way more drama. Dialogue focused shows are boring as hell, especially in this case.
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They only work for that same man after the death of his father.

Right. Sami and Lucas worked for Stefano who tried to blow up Sami's entire family and Lucas's cousin Hope.

That's better than Will working for EJ? Lucas and Sami have no legs to stand on here to dictate who Will should work for.


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What isn't in character is for Sami again dismiss Ej's actions of blackmailing Will for the second time in a few months. That isn't in character.....AT ALL


Why? Sami's not an idiot. Lucas isn't an idiot.

Will's not working for EJ just because of blackmail and they both must know that. He says it to anyone who will listen including EJ (as EJ pointed out to Sami in this episode) when EJ went to bail him out of jail. Will wants to work for EJ, blackmail or no blackmail. It's why the blackmail doesn't matter to anyone. It was just a contrived way to get Will working for EJ again without EJ going all mushy and forgetting what Will did to his marriage and to have Will trying to find out what EJ's hiding as equal leverage back.

EJ can say "Will you're free to go" (which EJ has done with Lucas in the room) and Will still stands there with his crushy grin on his face and says no he wants to work for EJ.

What are Will's parents supposed to do with that? Blame everything on EJ blackmailing him when Will chooses to work for EJ either way? Blackmail doesn't work like that.
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Why Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? why??? sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


In a word? Timing.

Lucas's wanting school to be Will's priority comes at the same time he's being Sami's 3rd father telling her not to go over to EJ's.
Don't confront EJ, Don't go anywhere near EJ, stay away from EJ, etc. etc. etc. Then Sami goes and does the opposite of what Lucas orders her to do. It all ties together in the episode.

If this was Lucas and Will on their own (no Sami, not EJ obsession) having a chat and Lucas being a father and parent to him continuously while Lucas had been back, then that would more appear to be a normal parental talk. Instead this is all about EJ and at the same time all about Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ. Getting mad when she goes over to see EJ.

Lucas's parenting of his son ends up being all about EJ. It's not Lucas's fault, it's the writers but when Lucas and Will barely share scenes and when they do it's all about Lucas lecturing him and Sami about EJ it's contrived EJ/Lucas/Sami triangle junk.


And how Sami and Lucas got their job matters since they work for the same man they claim Will should not work for. Where's the parental logic
of that, "we can work for him, you can't."
I don't see Lucas and Sami both BOTH advising their son against working for EJ as an example of Lucas being "Sami 3rd father" as you say. What does this have to do with his telling Sami not to seek EJ out on her own? I see them as separate things. I wouldn't isolate Lucas, think his advice is any more egregious or contriv-y than Sami's, when Sami is giving the same kind of advice and has been a crappy parent.

I am not sure how what Lucas says can be lumped under the heading "EJ Obsession - Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ - Lucas getting mad when she goes over to see EJ". If Lucas were the only one telling Will to stop working for EJ, and Sami were saying things like, "Lucas. Maybe it isn't so bad. Will is grown - let him make his decisions" and Lucas were going off saying "No - Will should appreciate any work that is honest. No, Will should focus on his school work. Don't go to EJ now as I have squared it all away and my word is gospel and now there is no reason for you to see EJ" I might buy what you are selling. But at least as I read it, it sounds like both Lucas and Sami are on equal footing as parents trying to kick some sense into their son. And this isn't the first time we have seen Lucas try to dissuade Will from working for EJ. Or the first time we have seen him be a father to Will (coming out storyline) since his return. This isn't totally out of left field for me, like at all.

Whatever telling of what to do to Sami Lucas does in tomorrow's epi, I am not conflating that with the advice both he and Sami give Will. I have no reason to subsume and dismiss the one for the other. I see parents trying to counsel their son. Sami says appreciate any work that is honest, Lucas says concentrate more on your schooling. And that's really it.
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Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM
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Jun 25 2012, 04:36 PM
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Why Lucas, a parent, wanting his son to place school as a priority over working with EJ - contrived crap?? why??? sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


In a word? Timing.

Lucas's wanting school to be Will's priority comes at the same time he's being Sami's 3rd father telling her not to go over to EJ's.
Don't confront EJ, Don't go anywhere near EJ, stay away from EJ, etc. etc. etc. Then Sami goes and does the opposite of what Lucas orders her to do. It all ties together in the episode.

If this was Lucas and Will on their own (no Sami, not EJ obsession) having a chat and Lucas being a father and parent to him continuously while Lucas had been back, then that would more appear to be a normal parental talk. Instead this is all about EJ and at the same time all about Lucas wanting Sami nowhere near EJ. Getting mad when she goes over to see EJ.

Lucas's parenting of his son ends up being all about EJ. It's not Lucas's fault, it's the writers but when Lucas and Will barely share scenes and when they do it's all about Lucas lecturing him and Sami about EJ it's contrived EJ/Lucas/Sami triangle junk.

And how Sami and Lucas got their job matters since they work for the same man they claim Will should not work for. Where's the parental logic
of that, "we can work for him, you can't."
Lucas has always told Sami what to do and she never listens....that is their dynamic, some hate it, others love it but it's them and it's in character for both of them to behave this way.

What isn't in character is for Sami again dismiss Ej's actions of blackmailing Will for the second time in a few months. That isn't in character.....AT ALL
I don't know. By now I think they've established that Sami has incredibly poor judgment when it comes to EJ. I think she just wants to have sex with him so he gets away with a lot around her. Of course, it would seem to go both ways.
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Why? Sami's not an idiot. Lucas isn't an idiot.

I beg to differ.
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Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM
Saw the Ejami scenes and realized I had a goofy grin on my face at the end of them. They are back to their old 2007 dynamic. FINALLY.
Wait, you saw them? Where?

elci525, just wanted to say that I agree with Sparty about your posts. They're always so thoughtful and reasonable.
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Saw the scenes with Lucas and Sonny... Y'all don't shoot me but Lucas and Sonny have chemistry.. I'm not lying!

Of course love the EJ/Sami and the EJ/Will scenes.. :wub:
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Jun 25 2012, 04:53 PM
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Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM
Saw the Ejami scenes and realized I had a goofy grin on my face at the end of them. They are back to their old 2007 dynamic. FINALLY.
Wait, you saw them? Where?

elci525, just wanted to say that I agree with Sparty about your posts. They're always so thoughtful and reasonable.
They are posted at FL.
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