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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
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Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,748 Views)
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samixxx
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Jun 29 2012, 12:11 AM
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- Jun 28 2012, 11:58 PM
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Good for Lucas vowing to protect his family, years ago could of been something.
Well, I wouldn't expect anything less from Lucas, unfortunately. People complained about his telling Sam not to go to EJ alone on Tuesday's show. While it may have seemed a little order-y, it seems like a reasonable opinion to me, to not what his ex-wife, whom he lost to EJ and is currently "involved with" (or something), to be alone with EJ. He thinks he is a bad guy, for good reason, and doesn't want Sami or his son mixed up with him, getting too close too him. It's a bit of jealousy I am sure, bit of over-protectiveness, bit of very genuine concern. If he just laid there and did nothing, people might call him an ineffectual doormat, which I am sure he will be called anyway. Which is why these spoilers make me nervous, again like so many have so far, b/c I just knooowwwww how Lucas will be portrayed in this epic battling (way to tell me what subtext I am supposed to notice, spoilers --- Sami's fight with EJ coming up is fraught with sexual tension, and now apparently these battles are going to be epic. Is it so impossible to be able to intuit subtext when EJ is involved?) I can just see Will and Sami siding with EJ in something, perhaps having to do with John wanting to take over DiMera Enterprises and EJ's newfound non-Dimeraness, and Lucas will be left floating in no-man's land again. Listen to Sami's advice, Lucas - just get the fuck away from her until she can make up her annoyingly ambivalent mind. I wish I could write his speech for whenever he and Sami hit the skids. So I am glad if Lucas is determined to protect his family - like I said, I wouldn't imagine anything less from him. But save your breath and energy, my dear Lucas. Let your son make his mistakes and crash and burn all on his own. Let Sami do want she wants and eat crow when things blow up in her face. They don't deserve you. I look back on my post and that could seem as a slam towards Lucas but it wasn't meant to be. :) Not a fan of Lucas but I can appreciate him. It was more of how I feel characters are written now.
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elci525
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Jun 29 2012, 12:24 AM
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- samixxx
- Jun 29 2012, 12:11 AM
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Good for Lucas vowing to protect his family, years ago could of been something.
Well, I wouldn't expect anything less from Lucas, unfortunately. People complained about his telling Sam not to go to EJ alone on Tuesday's show. While it may have seemed a little order-y, it seems like a reasonable opinion to me, to not what his ex-wife, whom he lost to EJ and is currently "involved with" (or something), to be alone with EJ. He thinks he is a bad guy, for good reason, and doesn't want Sami or his son mixed up with him, getting too close too him. It's a bit of jealousy I am sure, bit of over-protectiveness, bit of very genuine concern. If he just laid there and did nothing, people might call him an ineffectual doormat, which I am sure he will be called anyway. Which is why these spoilers make me nervous, again like so many have so far, b/c I just knooowwwww how Lucas will be portrayed in this epic battling (way to tell me what subtext I am supposed to notice, spoilers --- Sami's fight with EJ coming up is fraught with sexual tension, and now apparently these battles are going to be epic. Is it so impossible to be able to intuit subtext when EJ is involved?) I can just see Will and Sami siding with EJ in something, perhaps having to do with John wanting to take over DiMera Enterprises and EJ's newfound non-Dimeraness, and Lucas will be left floating in no-man's land again. Listen to Sami's advice, Lucas - just get the fuck away from her until she can make up her annoyingly ambivalent mind. I wish I could write his speech for whenever he and Sami hit the skids. So I am glad if Lucas is determined to protect his family - like I said, I wouldn't imagine anything less from him. But save your breath and energy, my dear Lucas. Let your son make his mistakes and crash and burn all on his own. Let Sami do want she wants and eat crow when things blow up in her face. They don't deserve you.
I look back on my post and that could seem as a slam towards Lucas but it wasn't meant to be. :) Not a fan of Lucas but I can appreciate him. It was more of how I feel characters are written now. Oh, no I didn't think that you meant it as a slam against him. Did you?? I didn't take it that way. It seemed a bit sarcastic, maybe (which is fine, of course)....but I took it as an opportunity to just state my feelings and fears about how I think these storylines are unfolding and where I think the characters are headed. So I didn't get from your comment that you were a Lucas-lover or anything, but I didn't think you meant it as a slam either.
Edited by elci525, Jun 29 2012, 12:31 AM.
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Jun 29 2012, 12:26 AM
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Lucas should recognize that despite his annoying warnings, neither Will or Sami can stay from EJ. Problem solved. Lucas needs to realize he's second fiddle to EJ for both Sami and Will :D Go EJAMI! Go EJILL!
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Jun 29 2012, 12:41 AM
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Well that says more bad about Sam and Will than anything else, and it is a disappointment, especially for the character of Will.
I thought EJill was supposed to be glorious because of the conflict involved in it....the push/pull for Will of what he thinks he wants versus what he knows is right and also wants to do versus what the darkest impulses in him are telling him to pursue versus what his code of ethics is telling him is right. I thought that is what these fabulous gray characters were all about. For him to just dismiss his father would be a disservice to this graying and to this conflict, and that is nothing I want to see. And it'd also be a total violation of character (not an evolution, a violation). I don't want black and white in any regard - so I won't trade Will's goodness for his badness and think that amounts to a conflicted character.
And we will see how long it is before Sami can't stay away from someone else. It's the same song and dance, just a different, less appealing melody this time around.
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Jun 29 2012, 07:31 AM
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- Jun 29 2012, 12:26 AM
Lucas should recognize that despite his annoying warnings, neither Will or Sami can stay from EJ. Problem solved. Lucas needs to realize he's second fiddle to EJ for both Sami and Will :D Go EJAMI! Go EJILL! Only till Sami realizes she wants Lucas back after losing him.
I am seriously sick of what they have done to the character of Sami over the past 6 years. I can't root for this person who acts totally OOC ALL THE TIME. No way in hell would Sami not have issues with Ej blackmailing her son, not once but TWICE and just be all buddy buddy with him. I just feel that every time they even remotely attempt a pairing for these two they completely have to stupify Sami, remove her brain and put it in storage.
I can seriously say that I would be totally fine with Lucas falling for someone else as long as the story is balanced and we get someone else falling for Lucas and him not ending up as the loser in love once again. Not that my heart will ever not want Lumi, I think will all my heart that as the last sand falls through that hourglass that Lumi will be together and the show will close with them, but I seriously don't think that Sami realizes what she had in Lucas and what she continuously takes for granted and is willing to throw away. She needs a wake up call and maybe it's someone loving Lucas with the same intensity she did.
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Jun 29 2012, 08:31 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Jun 29 2012, 12:26 AM
Lucas should recognize that despite his annoying warnings, neither Will or Sami can stay from EJ. Problem solved. Lucas needs to realize he's second fiddle to EJ for both Sami and Will :D Go EJAMI! Go EJILL! The sooner he realizes it, the better ;)
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Jun 29 2012, 09:27 AM
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- Jun 28 2012, 09:35 PM
-An epic confrontation builds between Lucas and EJ.
I hope that this is about Will and not about what it is alwyas about their precious Samantha.
Come on EJ if this is about Sami you can't have both Nicole and Sami. He told Nicole in Thursday's ep that he wanted Nicole and the baby and that he loved her. Come on man make up you damn mind already is it the man eating beast Sami or is in the sneaky vixen Nicole?
I knew that with Stefano suppossedlly dead that John would make a play for the empire, but how will that sit well with Marlena because last time he did in as roboJohn she was not too happy with his. Unless he is going to try to make the Dimera name stand for good.
Oh I wonder what Rafe finds at EJ's apartment and who is setting him up. He kind of deserves it since he was setting up John.
Bet Andrew did not plan on Carly actucally calling what ya gonna do now????
How does Chad get into Andrew's house exactly??? I realy hope the "epic" confrontation is about Will too. Fuck Sami!!!!
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Jun 29 2012, 09:32 AM
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Lucas should recognize that despite his annoying warnings, neither Will or Sami can stay from EJ. Problem solved. Lucas needs to realize he's second fiddle to EJ for both Sami and Will :D Go EJAMI! Go EJILL!
The sooner he realizes it, the better ;) I don't think realizing it is the problem. Just because he knows it, doesn't mean he has to be okay with it. It was the same with EJ and Rafe. If Lucas backs off and lets them be, there's no drama. Which is why that's probably exactly what he'll do since MarDar aren't fans of drama.
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Jun 29 2012, 09:39 AM
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Lucas should recognize that despite his annoying warnings, neither Will or Sami can stay from EJ. Problem solved. Lucas needs to realize he's second fiddle to EJ for both Sami and Will :D Go EJAMI! Go EJILL!
The sooner he realizes it, the better ;)
I don't think realizing it is the problem. Just because he knows it, doesn't mean he has to be okay with it. It was the same with EJ and Rafe. If Lucas backs off and lets them be, there's no drama. Which is why that's probably exactly what he'll do since MarDar aren't fans of drama. Exactly....I see him backing away from it....but I also can see maybe TomSell's tweaks coming into play here.....the planting of the evidence in Ej's apartment after Lucas vows to defend his family and this confrontation takes place with Ej might just be leading to at least a suspicion by the audience that Lucas might be the one that plants the evidence. IMHO I think it's going to be someone else, maybe Bo now that he's on his way out, or Ian before he leaves town.....or it may turn out to be Lucas after all.....I think all this talk of him changing and maturing was fine until he got around sami again. She pushes his buttons and it would be good for Lucas to go back to his scheming ways.....as I always thought it should be with Sami....to scheme to protect those you love....
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Jun 29 2012, 09:43 AM
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I don't think realizing it is the problem. Just because he knows it, doesn't mean he has to be okay with it. It was the same with EJ and Rafe. If Lucas backs off and lets them be, there's no drama. Which is why that's probably exactly what he'll do since MarDar aren't fans of drama. Yep.
It was interesting to read MA's interview with DR and how disappointed he, MR and SC were when they learned that Daniel was going to be sent off-screen. I felt the same way about it. Not only because I actually like SC/Daniel, but because I knew what that meant for Jack and Jen.
If couples and characters aren't getting some kind of conflict and drama, either from their own relationship or from outside forces, they are going to be backburnered. Soap operas are meloDRAMAS, not nuanced character studies. Drama is what the whole genre is built on. Now, you want to have good characters, but the main point of shows like Days is to watch characters you love experience dramatic events and intense emotions. Without drama, couples, characters and the show overall becomes pointless.
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Jun 29 2012, 09:44 AM
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LL, what happened to Brady and his belt?!?!? Your avi is gone! :scared:
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Jun 29 2012, 09:52 AM
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I see him backing away from it....but I also can see maybe TomSell's tweaks coming into play here.....the planting of the evidence in Ej's apartment after Lucas vows to defend his family and this confrontation takes place with Ej might just be leading to at least a suspicion by the audience that Lucas might be the one that plants the evidence. IMHO I think it's going to be someone else, maybe Bo now that he's on his way out, or Ian before he leaves town.....or it may turn out to be Lucas after all.....I think all this talk of him changing and maturing was fine until he got around sami again. She pushes his buttons and it would be good for Lucas to go back to his scheming ways.....as I always thought it should be with Sami....to scheme to protect those you love.... Unfortunately, I don't have much hope for Lucas under Tomlin. Not only based on history, but also because of BD's tweet this week asking them to write more for Lucas.
If they are going to throw Ejami back together (probably under the guise of needing them to team up to hang on to DE), then it makes much more sense to have Ejucas as adversaries - both for Sami and in business - rather than Ejafe. But based on GT's unfathomable love of GG and based on recent tweets about who seems to be working together, I'm afraid we are going to get more crap about SuperRafe saving sweet, innocent Sami from the clutches of the evil DiMera.
I know I should try to be more positive, but I've burned too many times to have hope for this show under Tomlin's control.
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Lucas finally seeing that EJ has a magic hold over those he loves---- I'd love to see Lucas and EJ go at it in physical dual. Lucas playing loser to EJ, is just more EJ pimping. It mush have been in his contract. Lucas brought back as just a 'filler' for Sami, while she's in between men. Not what I wanted to see. Another MARDAR epic fail.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:04 AM
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- Jun 27 2012, 10:11 AM
The show unequivocally SUCKS there's no question about. As to whether or not things can be turned around remains to be seen. I'd say this isn't true for everyone.
I think the show, particularly in the past few weeks, has been better despite the miscellaneous Fuckery and is a head and shoulders above the shit Dena and Co produced.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:07 AM
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- Jun 29 2012, 09:44 AM
LL, what happened to Brady and his belt?!?!? Your avi is gone! :scared: It was actually Lumi swapping spit, I got rid of Brady and belt a while ago...but apparently Mitch and I are being held to some bandwidth standards by by Photobucket. I'm trying to figure out what is going on.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:10 AM
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- tomsawyer
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I see him backing away from it....but I also can see maybe TomSell's tweaks coming into play here.....the planting of the evidence in Ej's apartment after Lucas vows to defend his family and this confrontation takes place with Ej might just be leading to at least a suspicion by the audience that Lucas might be the one that plants the evidence. IMHO I think it's going to be someone else, maybe Bo now that he's on his way out, or Ian before he leaves town.....or it may turn out to be Lucas after all.....I think all this talk of him changing and maturing was fine until he got around sami again. She pushes his buttons and it would be good for Lucas to go back to his scheming ways.....as I always thought it should be with Sami....to scheme to protect those you love....
Unfortunately, I don't have much hope for Lucas under Tomlin. Not only based on history, but also because of BD's tweet this week asking them to write more for Lucas. If they are going to throw Ejami back together (probably under the guise of needing them to team up to hang on to DE), then it makes much more sense to have Ejucas as adversaries - both for Sami and in business - rather than Ejafe. But based on GT's unfathomable love of GG and based on recent tweets about who seems to be working together, I'm afraid we are going to get more crap about SuperRafe saving sweet, innocent Sami from the clutches of the evil DiMera. I know I should try to be more positive, but I've burned too many times to have hope for this show under Tomlin's control. Yeah, if Tomlin wasn't writing I would be more optimistic, but yeah I get what you are saying.....still want to think that they won't totally waste Bryan this time, but then again GT is there so I have absolutely no hope.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:13 AM
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Lucas finally seeing that EJ has a magic hold over those he loves---- I'd love to see Lucas and EJ go at it in physical dual. Lucas playing loser to EJ, is just more EJ pimping. It mush have been in his contract. Lucas brought back as just a 'filler' for Sami, while she's in between men. Not what I wanted to see. Another MARDAR epic fail. Didn't Lucas know this when he first came to town? IIRC he was the one telling Sami about her unresolved EJ feelings. He just looks stupid now to be behaving this way when he had brains when his character first returned. It makes him have himself to blame.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:17 AM
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- Jun 29 2012, 10:13 AM
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- Jun 29 2012, 09:59 AM
Lucas finally seeing that EJ has a magic hold over those he loves---- I'd love to see Lucas and EJ go at it in physical dual. Lucas playing loser to EJ, is just more EJ pimping. It mush have been in his contract. Lucas brought back as just a 'filler' for Sami, while she's in between men. Not what I wanted to see. Another MARDAR epic fail.
Didn't Lucas know this when he first came to town? IIRC he was the one telling Sami about her unresolved EJ feelings. He just looks stupid now to be behaving this way when he had brains when his character first returned. It makes him have himself to blame. I guess he believed Sami when she said she didn't.....and she showed enough jealousy at his fiancee and even cancelled his plane ride back to HK, I guess that convinced him that at least she still had unresolved feelings for him too. Heck.....I can't fault him for being in love.... I also think we have to remember that it's about 'his loved ones', that includes Sami obviously but not too far behind is Will, who is working for the guy and being blackmailed to do it, regardless of how Will feels, it's still not going to be something that Lucas will accept.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:27 AM
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Lucas finally seeing that EJ has a magic hold over those he loves---- I'd love to see Lucas and EJ go at it in physical dual. Lucas playing loser to EJ, is just more EJ pimping. It mush have been in his contract. Lucas brought back as just a 'filler' for Sami, while she's in between men. Not what I wanted to see. Another MARDAR epic fail.
Didn't Lucas know this when he first came to town? IIRC he was the one telling Sami about her unresolved EJ feelings. He just looks stupid now to be behaving this way when he had brains when his character first returned. It makes him have himself to blame.
I guess he believed Sami when she said she didn't.....and she showed enough jealousy at his fiancee and even cancelled his plane ride back to HK, I guess that convinced him that at least she still had unresolved feelings for him too. Heck.....I can't fault him for being in love.... I also think we have to remember that it's about 'his loved ones', that includes Sami obviously but not too far behind is Will, who is working for the guy and being blackmailed to do it, regardless of how Will feels, it's still not going to be something that Lucas will accept. Lucas is blind then.
The thing with Will is he's not really being blackmailed to do it. Blackmail or no blackmail he still would choose to work for EJ. Lucas needs to see his son isn't a baby anymore. Babies don't take apart revolvers and deposit the pieces all over town. Frankly that's smarter than EJ who threw his gloves in a dumpster (to no doubt be found soon enough).
It was his baby boy that started this relationship with EJ by blackmailing him first. Lucas has blame EJ for everything tunnel vision. When Will and even Sami are around him because they choose to be.
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Jun 29 2012, 10:32 AM
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Wait...WHAT?????? Have you forgotten who you are cyber married to?? :badmood: :toetap:
I'm pretty sure you guys have an open marriage.
True enough. Where is Mer, by the way? :$ In the background plotting how destroy all of your cyber relationships. Posted Image
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