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| Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3* | |
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| Ali_James | Jul 2 2012, 06:13 AM Post #421 |
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Exactly. MarDar are the only writers to give EJole anything. Before they came to DAYS, E.J. barely noticed Nicole. They havn't ruined Nicole, because she was already lying about not 1, but 2 children, while watching him mourn the loss of a child she knew was alive. So her hiding a 3rd child from him is no surprise! And LONG before, MarDar ever came to DAYS, Nicole used sex to get what she wanted. It's who the character is. Looking forward to the EJami scenes this week :wub: ! Edited by Ali_James, Jul 2 2012, 06:15 AM.
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| LucasHortonFan | Jul 2 2012, 06:36 AM Post #422 |
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.
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wow. I am so glad that I love Ej and Nicole so much. I love Lucas and Sami and am very glad when they are written for. I don't care who writes for them, as long as the writing is good. I'll take them as long as I can get them. I'm still boycotting any scenes that are Ej and Sami and Dan and Nicole as a form of protest and I am still boycotting Days sponsors. We fans have ways of fighting back and I know sponsors are a direct hit. I also will watch the John and Marlena scenes as well as any Bope scenes we have left. The rest, nobody could force me to watch. I would rather have all my teeth pulled w.o. knock out gas then to ever have to watch Ej and Sami or Dan and Nicole. I ff all the Will and Ej scenes as I find an older guy having to be around a young one so much really creepy and disturbing. So I stand by what I say and I do not have to watch. I can't wait for the upcoming John and Lucas scenes. Two of my favs in what looks like a great story line. Swoon! |
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| The Scorpion | Jul 2 2012, 07:12 AM Post #423 |
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I totally agree with you! Personally, I see no loss to Nicole she is who she is and the couple Ejole where only written becourse of the writers or network did not want to go full force with EJami before, but it looks like it's just EJAMI who receive the writing at the moment and in my opinion it is an excellent idea, I mean it's pathetic that they have not written for Ejami earlier, and with this I mean for and not against. |
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| LuvingLumi | Jul 2 2012, 07:25 AM Post #424 |
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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Now that I've had time to see the treatment of Lucas by MarDar, I'm beginning to think (like Jack) that the return of particularly these two characters was NOT their [MarDar's] doing. I am not sure if Meng was the one who championed for these two returns based on his book tour feedback (including others) but it's clear as day that MarDar had absolutely no intention to write a good story for Lucas whether it included Lumi or not and anyone who think that the writing we have gotten for Lumi is good then I got a bridge to sell you somewhere in the world. This is not what I (or the majority of Lumis) envisioned for our beloved couple, this isn't even THEM. They don't fight, they don't have that fiery passion they once had and frankly they feel like they have been intentionally downplayed for God knows what reason. It's obvious who MarDar wanted back and who they wrote for (Jarlena, Carrie and Austin) while leaving the likes of Jack and Lucas simply as side notes in bigger stories. MarDar gave Caustin something, including the story with Abby which I thought was actually pretty well done, albeit the pacing/execution could have been better. Same with Jarlena....we might have not liked the Alemania story but it gave John something to do and same thing with the embezzling story, which in the end might culminate in the mayor's removal from office still. Contrast those two with what Jack got and what Lucas has gotten since his return. I wish these new writers would realize that the majority of viewers just want good storytelling, with cast balance to top it all off. Bringing back fan favorites won't work unless the fan favorite is featured in a storyline. So get on with it Days.....don't fuck it up more.... |
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| LucasHortonFan | Jul 2 2012, 07:31 AM Post #425 |
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.
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Don't fuck it up with Dick ole and Ej and Sami please. A sure way to lose viewers, not gain them. |
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| six | Jul 2 2012, 08:13 AM Post #426 |
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Agreed and God knows I love EJ, but if there's any man who has done some sexually inappropriate things, it's him, and yet Nicole is apparently able to handle it. Every one of Daniel's patients that he later dated were enthusiastic participants in what happened. In every case he had prior relationships with the women before they got involved. It is weird that the writers wait until after he's treated them (except perhaps in Kate's case) for them to sleep with each other (except in Chelsea's case), but Daniel is not some deviant preying on vulnerable people he meets professionally, and Nicole is not naive. Edited by six, Jul 2 2012, 09:15 AM.
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| Ireland98 | Jul 2 2012, 08:17 AM Post #427 |
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Yeah, at least MarDar gave EJole a romance. I like that they kept it consistent and had EJ yet again choose another woman over Nicole as he's always done in the past. It's obvious Nicole has always been a placeholder. I really like Nicole and I want her to be with someone that makes her a priority, whether it's Daniel, Brady, Rafe or Eric. I'm sure they'll put Nicole with Eric at some point. Greg Vaughan hasn't even started filimg yet, so it won't be for at least another 3 months that we'll get to see Eric & Nicole together. They'll probably have more of Nicole with Rafe & Daniel until then. I'm also stoked for the upcoming EJAMI... and EJILL scenes!!!! :popcorn: I just hope the new writers are smart enough to keep writing for both EJILL and EJAMI! |
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| LucasHortonFan | Jul 2 2012, 10:42 AM Post #428 |
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.
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I have a feeling that after the new/old writers take over, everything will move in a new direction. I believe all the stuff we are seeing now is just a waste of our time and energy bc I think one of the actors at fan event said that everything we are seeing now toss out the window bc its all going to change. I am just going to continue to enjoy my two couples for as long as I can. If I don't like the new stuff, I don't have to watch, its that simple. Less viewers speaks volumes as well, so there are ways of fighting back. |
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| EJamandBread | Jul 2 2012, 12:04 PM Post #429 |
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I want an actual story. I don't want to be blindsided one day by a couple and then the next they're utterly in love. On the flip side, there needs to be movement in a storyline to make it interesting. For example, the moving of Sami away from Rafe made sense. The problems they had when John was being investigated, Sami was spying for Madison and then, topped off by Johnny going missing, made sense. The writers slowly (and well, I think) have returned Sami to who she really is: a selfish, devious woman who loves a handful of people very loyally. What didn't make sense was throwing her back into a relationship with Lucas. When he first came back, I LOVED their scenes together. Their friendly banter, Lucas keeping her honest; they were great. But the romance was too fast and too forced. If they were going to do it, they should have done it better. I am an optimist, though. It is clear that Days is writing for an EJ/Sami reunion. In this storyline we don't see it being rushed. We see movement (though, it even could use a little more movement than we've seen to keep viewers interested) and we see cute scenes of nervousness, friendship and all the normal things we see on a soap when they're building for a couple the right way. We see potential intrigue for the DiMera fortune being set up, which could be great, especially if Kristen returns. My only complaint is that every storyline the soap has got going for it involve EJ. I love EJ, and James Scott is a wonderful actor, but the writers have GOT to start writing interesting storylines for other people. I know if they tried they could make Abigail interesting. I like Cameron, and I even like them together, but their romance is booooooring; can't they spice it up with some drama? Intrigue? Rafe is being absurdly singularly focused on EJ. Wouldn't it be great drama to see that EJ is playing him to look a fool? Nicole is a schemer. I love that she is being written back into character; pathetic, settling to be someone's second choice is NOT Nicole. Now, can we have her do something especially heinous? She needs money, perhaps she finds out something in Kate (another underutilized villainous) and bribes her. Or, better yet, tries to play John and Marlena somehow and then Eric comes back. But, EJ and Sami's storyline show me the writers have got it in them, not they just need to spread the love around. Edited by EJamandBread, Jul 2 2012, 12:06 PM.
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| lastDays | Jul 2 2012, 12:05 PM Post #430 |
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I like the optimistic attitude by some faithful about the new old writers.But there is no reason to believe they will be any better than MarDar and Higley.In fact,I find the rehiring of Whitesal and Tomlin a bad sign. |
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| Lil | Jul 2 2012, 12:12 PM Post #431 |
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While in my gut I think you are right about TomSell, I'm still trying very hard to be optimistic. Maybe somehow they are getting the message that fans are already doubting them and they'll push that much harder? I don't know...Wait and see, I guess. |
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| tomsawyer | Jul 2 2012, 12:23 PM Post #432 |
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Yeah, we have a pretty clear idea of Tomlin's vision for Days since we JUST SAW IT. It is everything that was on our screens (and everybody that wasn't) from 2009 to mid-2011. Based on which actors have been let go and which actors are being seen in the MUR everday since he was named HW, I'd say this go round for GT will be a lot like last go round. |
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| LuvingLumi | Jul 2 2012, 12:29 PM Post #433 |
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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I don't think LUmi was forced this time around, it was fast and had no build up but I always believed that Sami and Lucas never fell out of love, they just moved on with others and now that they were in the same room together again and one was unattached and that other was attached with someone in another continent, I believed their feelings could go there....problem was that there is no story. Ej and Sami is as rushed as any other couple on Days....they went from being enemies to best friends and confidants OVERNIGHT....not exaggerating that either. I truly believe that Days is doomed no matter what they do. Tomlin and Whitesell being back in ANY capacity is a bad sign for this show. Edited by LuvingLumi, Jul 2 2012, 12:31 PM.
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| EJamandBread | Jul 2 2012, 01:04 PM Post #434 |
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Even if Lucas and Sami never fell out of love, why were they back together in a nanosecond of Lucas breaking up with Autumn (or getting dumped, or whatever it was)? Where is the romance and intrigue in that? Sami was still married to Rafe and Lucas still thought Sami had feelings for EJ. If they were meant to be, couldn't they, as a tortured couple, have explored what Sami did with EJ? Couldn't they pine for each other awhile? It was just boring and, even though I'm not a huge Lucas/Sami fan, I did find them to be pretty interesting back on the day, so we know that there is potential there, but this reunion was just really dull, IMO. No intrigue, not romance, nothing. IMO, soaps are about the payoff. One of the most memorable Days scenes in my opinion (and I haven't watched forever, and I've tuned in and out over the years, so take it FWIW) was when Carrie and Austin FINALLY found out about Sami's deception and told her off. That was GREAT. And even though we ha to wait around for it forever, we still tuned in because the build up was so excruciating and you just hoped, every day, that that would be the day Carrie would let Sami have it. And each day Carrie grew a bit more suspicious and got a little bit closer. Sami and Lucas this time around had no payoff. No anticipation. Who cared, besides diehard Lumi fans? For this soap to survive they need to embrace build up. Anticipation. Payoff. Right now I don't see at happening in any storyline besides, maybe, EJ and Sami's. But, they could screw at up too. Maybe the problem is we know too much (I.e, we know there won't be a Carrie/Rafe payoff because CC is leaving the show). Maybe the soap world needs to spoil less and keep us guessing. I don't know. |
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| Lil | Jul 2 2012, 01:10 PM Post #435 |
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^ I think spoilers or no, there hasn't been any payoff to anything. Stuff that had potential for one fizzled out and I don't think it had anything to do with spoilers. There are ways of wriing spoilers where you don't give away the ending. Personally, I don't usually read the detailed day-aheads unless I know I'm not going to be watching so that way spoilers don't ruin what little enjoyment I have. There has not been any real consequence for Sami or anyone else's actions whatsoever. Not in a loooong time. |
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| EJamandBread | Jul 2 2012, 01:18 PM Post #436 |
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There hasn't been any payoff. The closest we got was the big blow-up at the DiMansion in February (which I thought were great scenes). Oh, and Will's drunken kiss whenever that was, that was decent soap payoff. Otherwise, let's see. Abigail pretends to sleep with Austen and almost ruins his marriage. I don't even remember the "payoff"; that's how good it was. :shame: Abigail gets set up with Cameron and they . . . start dating. Cute, but booooooring. No payoff. Jennifer juggles two men for months and then, hold on, Nelly, Dan suddently takes off. Payoff? Not so much. Jack is suffering from PTSD? One visit with Dr. Evans and bam, he is fine. Some build up, no payoff. Hope and John, out of no where, get sent to Alimania and . . . nothing happens. Our favorite couples are reunited, relatively angst free and we are all left falling asleep with our hands on the FF button. Edited by EJamandBread, Jul 2 2012, 01:19 PM.
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| Lil | Jul 2 2012, 01:20 PM Post #437 |
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^ Exactly! See Also: Safe House Explosion Edited by Lil, Jul 2 2012, 01:21 PM.
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| elci525 | Jul 2 2012, 01:23 PM Post #438 |
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I am a diehard Lumi fan, and unfortunately I have to admit the reunion was rushed, and not written like it had lasting ability. I won't go so far to say Lumi were an insta-couple quite in the manner of Carrie and Rafe, or Abigail and Cameron, or Madison and Brady. At least, for those who are familiar with it (and there are a few of us out there), there was a long, rich history to support their reunion (although not enough narrative rebuild-up) and I am also of the mind that they never fell out of love with each other (forced apart from without). But even with all of that being true, and even though the huge fangirl in me thinks their reunion was actually too drawn out in that it's been four years or so, the writing for them this time has been like an afterthought. We have had a few wonderful scenes that fully reminded me of why I did and do still love Lumi so much, but so much has also been lacking. They have been written tamely, and it's been a disservice to what the couple has been and still can be. And that has made me incredibly sad. And I also have to begrudgingly admit that, despite the fact that Sami and EJ went from spewing at each other one day, and the next day sharing wine and talking about "good sex" and being sudden besties, since that happened, the hinting they have been getting, the implications without overt declarations (like was the case with Lumi - I mean, they were saying they were "back together" after one day)...it does seem like that coupling has been getting a treatment that, in terms of soap opera writing, suggests they were they "real" couple being written for [it hurt my heart to say that just now]. Lumi had it too, when they refused to acknowledge how they felt at first. And you just knew back then all that suggestion and the build-up was indicative of SOMETHING, and would very likely lead to some big realization/payoff (as Lumi had). So I know enough to recognize that is sort of pattern when it's happening, as it's playing out now a bit wieh Ejami, and holy mother it makes me sad and nervous. I still don't like it, I still think it's wrong and inexplicable. But I knew the instant Lumi got "back together," they were never the couple the writers intended to write as getting back together, if that makes sense. So MarDAr didn't give Lumis a Lumi reunion - they gave us some nice moments. But I am no idiot; I fully knew what those moments were in service of, what storyline they were being subsumed under. Monkey's paw indeed. And again, it makes me so incredibly sad and disappointed. Edited by elci525, Jul 2 2012, 01:37 PM.
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| EJamandBread | Jul 2 2012, 01:55 PM Post #439 |
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But here is the thing: I think you are sad and disappointed because there is, literally nothing else going on on the show to interest you or root for. IMO, the reason all the fan base wars have gotten so out of hand is because there are NO interesting characters besides the few we are all always shipping. Maybe if Abigail and Cameron were giving us a compelling, root-able love story, it wouldn't hurt as much that we aren't getting our favorite couple (which probably has EJ or Sami as 50 percent of that couple, am I right?). I have a favorite couple, and I'm dying to see them, but I have also been a soap fan long enough to know that if the rest of the stories are good, I an handle not getting my favorite pairing. Days mistake is not giving us build-up and payoff with anyone and relying solely on the talents of James and Alison to make other storylines interesting even without telling actual stories. |
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| SoapGal1 | Jul 2 2012, 01:59 PM Post #440 |
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Okay, EjamandBread is probably one of the most original screen names I've seen. Me likey. Continue with previous discusssion. |
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