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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,741 Views)
LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

EJamandBread
Jul 2 2012, 01:04 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 2 2012, 12:29 PM
EJamandBread
Jul 2 2012, 12:04 PM
I want an actual story. I don't want to be blindsided one day by a couple and then the next they're utterly in love. On the flip side, there needs to be movement in a storyline to make it interesting.

For example, the moving of Sami away from Rafe made sense. The problems they had when John was being investigated, Sami was spying for Madison and then, topped off by Johnny going missing, made sense. The writers slowly (and well, I think) have returned Sami to who she really is: a selfish, devious woman who loves a handful of people very loyally. What didn't make sense was throwing her back into a relationship with Lucas. When he first came back, I LOVED their scenes together. Their friendly banter, Lucas keeping her honest; they were great. But the romance was too fast and too forced. If they were going to do it, they should have done it better.

I am an optimist, though. It is clear that Days is writing for an EJ/Sami reunion. In this storyline we don't see it being rushed. We see movement (though, it even could use a little more movement than we've seen to keep viewers interested) and we see cute scenes of nervousness, friendship and all the normal things we see on a soap when they're building for a couple the right way. We see potential intrigue for the DiMera fortune being set up, which could be great, especially if Kristen returns.

My only complaint is that every storyline the soap has got going for it involve EJ. I love EJ, and James Scott is a wonderful actor, but the writers have GOT to start writing interesting storylines for other people. I know if they tried they could make Abigail interesting. I like Cameron, and I even like them together, but their romance is booooooring; can't they spice it up with some drama? Intrigue? Rafe is being absurdly singularly focused on EJ. Wouldn't it be great drama to see that EJ is playing him to look a fool? Nicole is a schemer. I love that she is being written back into character; pathetic, settling to be someone's second choice is NOT Nicole. Now, can we have her do something especially heinous? She needs money, perhaps she finds out something in Kate (another underutilized villainous) and bribes her. Or, better yet, tries to play John and Marlena somehow and then Eric comes back.

But, EJ and Sami's storyline show me the writers have got it in them, not they just need to spread the love around.


I don't think LUmi was forced this time around, it was fast and had no build up but I always believed that Sami and Lucas never fell out of love, they just moved on with others and now that they were in the same room together again and one was unattached and that other was attached with someone in another continent, I believed their feelings could go there....problem was that there is no story.

Ej and Sami is as rushed as any other couple on Days....they went from being enemies to best friends and confidants OVERNIGHT....not exaggerating that either.

I truly believe that Days is doomed no matter what they do. Tomlin and Whitesell being back in ANY capacity is a bad sign for this show.
Even if Lucas and Sami never fell out of love, why were they back together in a nanosecond of Lucas breaking up with Autumn (or getting dumped, or whatever it was)? Where is the romance and intrigue in that? Sami was still married to Rafe and Lucas still thought Sami had feelings for EJ. If they were meant to be, couldn't they, as a tortured couple, have explored what Sami did with EJ? Couldn't they pine for each other awhile? It was just boring and, even though I'm not a huge Lucas/Sami fan, I did find them to be pretty interesting back on the day, so we know that there is potential there, but this reunion was just really dull, IMO. No intrigue, not romance, nothing.

IMO, soaps are about the payoff. One of the most memorable Days scenes in my opinion (and I haven't watched forever, and I've tuned in and out over the years, so take it FWIW) was when Carrie and Austin FINALLY found out about Sami's deception and told her off. That was GREAT. And even though we ha to wait around for it forever, we still tuned in because the build up was so excruciating and you just hoped, every day, that that would be the day Carrie would let Sami have it. And each day Carrie grew a bit more suspicious and got a little bit closer.

Sami and Lucas this time around had no payoff. No anticipation. Who cared, besides diehard Lumi fans? For this soap to survive they need to embrace build up. Anticipation. Payoff. Right now I don't see at happening in any storyline besides, maybe, EJ and Sami's. But, they could screw at up too.

Maybe the problem is we know too much (I.e, we know there won't be a Carrie/Rafe payoff because CC is leaving the show). Maybe the soap world needs to spoil less and keep us guessing. I don't know.
I'm not disagreeing on the fact that they got together so quickly or they could have done it better, I actually stated that. I'm disagreeing on this:
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and too forced.


I don't think it's any more forced than any other story....and at least I can make an argument that they never fell out of love...but what argument can we make about Ej and Sami who were enemies one night and by the next morning friends or Dicole? Seriously...those two were splattered together...they barely spoke a word in a year and then in less than two weeks they are sleeping together....that's forced.
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SoapGal1
Jul 2 2012, 01:59 PM
Okay, EjamandBread is probably one of the most original screen names I've seen.

Me likey.

Continue with previous discusssion.
:lol: thank you! :iloveyou:
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EJamandBread
Jul 2 2012, 01:55 PM
elci525
Jul 2 2012, 01:23 PM
I am a diehard Lumi fan, and unfortunately I have to admit the reunion was rushed, and not written like it had lasting ability. I won't go so far to say Lumi were an insta-couple quite in the manner of Carrie and Rafe, or Abigail and Cameron, or Madison and Brady. At least, for those who are familiar with it (and there are a few of us out there), there was a long, rich history to support their reunion (although not enough narrative rebuild-up) and I am also of the mind that they never fell out of love with each other (forced apart from without). But even with all of that being true, and even though the huge fangirl in me thinks their reunion was actually too drawn out in that it's been four years or so, the writing for them this time has been like an afterthought. We have had a few wonderful scenes that fully reminded me of why I did and do still love Lumi so much, but so much has also been lacking. They have been written tamely, and it's been a disservice to what the couple has been and still can be. And that has made me incredibly sad.

And I also have to begrudgingly admit that, despite the fact that Sami and EJ went from spewing at each other one day, and the next day sharing wine and talking about "good sex" and being sudden besties, since that happened, the hinting they have been getting, the implications without overt declarations (like was the case with Lumi - I mean, they were saying they were "back together" after one day)...it does seem like that coupling has been getting a treatment that, in terms of soap opera writing, suggests they were they "real" couple being written for [it hurt my heart to say that just now]. Lumi had it too, when they refused to acknowledge how they felt at first. And you just knew back then all that suggestion and the build-up was indicative of SOMETHING, and would very likely lead to some big realization/payoff (as Lumi had).

So I know enough to recognize that is sort of pattern when it's happening, as it's playing out now a bit wieh Ejami, and holy mother it makes me sad and nervous. I still don't like it, I still think it's wrong and inexplicable. But I knew the instant Lumi got "back together," they were never the couple the writers intended to write as getting back together, if that makes sense. So MarDAr didn't give Lumis a Lumi reunion - they gave us some nice moments. But I am no idiot; I fully knew what those moments were in service of, what storyline they were being subsumed under. Monkey's paw indeed.

And again, it makes me so incredibly sad and disappointed.
But here is the thing: I think you are sad and disappointed because there is, literally nothing else going on on the show to interest you or root for. IMO, the reason all the fan base wars have gotten so out of hand is because there are NO interesting characters besides the few we are all always shipping. Maybe if Abigail and Cameron were giving us a compelling, root-able love story, it wouldn't hurt as much that we aren't getting our favorite couple (which probably has EJ or Sami as 50 percent of that couple, am I right?).

I have a favorite couple, and I'm dying to see them, but I have also been a soap fan long enough to know that if the rest of the stories are good, I an handle not getting my favorite pairing. Days mistake is not giving us build-up and payoff with anyone and relying solely on the talents of James and Alison to make other storylines interesting even without telling actual stories.
I agree with this.....the ONLY reason I'm watching now is for Lucas and I would watch Lucas in a story away from Sami (if they would only give him one)....damn I watched Chloe and Lucas....I watched Carrie and Lucas, shit I watched (and really laughed my ass off with Nicole and Lucas back in the day)...problem is if they only give me ONE thing to be happy about and don't utilize or fire my favorites then what else is there? NOTHING.

If they wouldn't have fired Matt and had increased his screen time with the new writers then I would have been delighted, and had something else to look forward to. But Jack's return has been as unappealing as Lucas' and now it seems that Lucas is about to get the same treatment that Jack got....it's so frustrating being a fan of this show..
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John is going to take over the Dimera empire because he is Santos Dimera's son. It is going to come out that Stefano is not Santos son, so Stefano is not a Dimera, and after all suffering Stefano inflicted on EJ for not being a Dimera, it will be explosive when the truth comes out. EJ will have the last laugh.

John and EJ the true Dimera's will run Dimera empire together. This is not going to sit well with Marlena.

This also explains why Santos didn't give Stefano the time of day when he was a boy. Santos lied that his wife was dead when he was off with Colleen Brady. Santos didn't want anything to so with his so called wife. Santos commissioned the coin so that Stefano would find out when he was full grown, that he wasn't a Dimera. Stefano has a shock coming, and Santos is sending it from the grave.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

EJamandBread
Jul 2 2012, 01:18 PM
Lil
Jul 2 2012, 01:10 PM
^ I think spoilers or no, there hasn't been any payoff to anything. Stuff that had potential for one fizzled out and I don't think it had anything to do with spoilers. There are ways of wriing spoilers where you don't give away the ending. Personally, I don't usually read the detailed day-aheads unless I know I'm not going to be watching so that way spoilers don't ruin what little enjoyment I have.

There has not been any real consequence for Sami or anyone else's actions whatsoever. Not in a loooong time.
There hasn't been any payoff. The closest we got was the big blow-up at the DiMansion in February (which I thought were great scenes). Oh, and Will's drunken kiss whenever that was, that was decent soap payoff.

Otherwise, let's see. Abigail pretends to sleep with Austen and almost ruins his marriage. I don't even remember the "payoff"; that's how good it was. :shame: Abigail gets set up with Cameron and they . . . start dating. Cute, but booooooring. No payoff. Jennifer juggles two men for months and then, hold on, Nelly, Dan suddently takes off. Payoff? Not so much. Jack is suffering from PTSD? One visit with Dr. Evans and bam, he is fine. Some build up, no payoff. Hope and John, out of no where, get sent to Alimania and . . . nothing happens. Our favorite couples are reunited, relatively angst free and we are all left falling asleep with our hands on the FF button.

The payoff can still come later.....usually you get the payoff after months of story, but I don't believe these writers are capable of anything long term.
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EJamandBread
Jul 2 2012, 01:55 PM
elci525
Jul 2 2012, 01:23 PM
I am a diehard Lumi fan, and unfortunately I have to admit the reunion was rushed, and not written like it had lasting ability. I won't go so far to say Lumi were an insta-couple quite in the manner of Carrie and Rafe, or Abigail and Cameron, or Madison and Brady. At least, for those who are familiar with it (and there are a few of us out there), there was a long, rich history to support their reunion (although not enough narrative rebuild-up) and I am also of the mind that they never fell out of love with each other (forced apart from without). But even with all of that being true, and even though the huge fangirl in me thinks their reunion was actually too drawn out in that it's been four years or so, the writing for them this time has been like an afterthought. We have had a few wonderful scenes that fully reminded me of why I did and do still love Lumi so much, but so much has also been lacking. They have been written tamely, and it's been a disservice to what the couple has been and still can be. And that has made me incredibly sad.

And I also have to begrudgingly admit that, despite the fact that Sami and EJ went from spewing at each other one day, and the next day sharing wine and talking about "good sex" and being sudden besties, since that happened, the hinting they have been getting, the implications without overt declarations (like was the case with Lumi - I mean, they were saying they were "back together" after one day)...it does seem like that coupling has been getting a treatment that, in terms of soap opera writing, suggests they were they "real" couple being written for [it hurt my heart to say that just now]. Lumi had it too, when they refused to acknowledge how they felt at first. And you just knew back then all that suggestion and the build-up was indicative of SOMETHING, and would very likely lead to some big realization/payoff (as Lumi had).

So I know enough to recognize that is sort of pattern when it's happening, as it's playing out now a bit wieh Ejami, and holy mother it makes me sad and nervous. I still don't like it, I still think it's wrong and inexplicable. But I knew the instant Lumi got "back together," they were never the couple the writers intended to write as getting back together, if that makes sense. So MarDAr didn't give Lumis a Lumi reunion - they gave us some nice moments. But I am no idiot; I fully knew what those moments were in service of, what storyline they were being subsumed under. Monkey's paw indeed.

And again, it makes me so incredibly sad and disappointed.
But here is the thing: I think you are sad and disappointed because there is, literally nothing else going on on the show to interest you or root for. IMO, the reason all the fan base wars have gotten so out of hand is because there are NO interesting characters besides the few we are all always shipping. Maybe if Abigail and Cameron were giving us a compelling, root-able love story, it wouldn't hurt as much that we aren't getting our favorite couple (which probably has EJ or Sami as 50 percent of that couple, am I right?).

I have a favorite couple, and I'm dying to see them, but I have also been a soap fan long enough to know that if the rest of the stories are good, I an handle not getting my favorite pairing. Days mistake is not giving us build-up and payoff with anyone and relying solely on the talents of James and Alison to make other storylines interesting even without telling actual stories.
Hmmm....I think you give me a little more credit than I deserve. ;) I am sad and disappointed b/c my favorite pairing is being treated like a b-storyline in favor of another, less-favorable one....and it's a repeat of a time that was especially painful to me as a Lumi-girl. And I am smart enough to notice pretty heavy-handed soap writing when I see it, so I do see the writing on the wall, and that makes me sad.

It's my own fault for being ever-so-slightly-overly fanatical.

And I am just THAT big of an non-Ejami person.

But you are right that there is also nothing else to fill that void for me, as there are no real stories that I find compelling or intriguing on the show, enough to compensate for any sense of loss =) I see tidbits of interesting directions, but I do want to see real stories that involve lots of different characters (not just one or two) and make me feel like there is some deep connection between the various players on the canvas. I stopped watching Days for a little while, and that is the first thing I noticed when I came back - how isolated the characters and s/lines seemed to be. We had a return to this broader-connectiveness with Lexie's memorial, but that was one day and one very unique scenario. So yes, I want to see better stories.
Edited by elci525, Jul 2 2012, 02:15 PM.
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Sami tries to get EJ to open up to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
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Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up his pants to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
There. That's better.
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Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.


CHAD? I thought it was Dan?
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
How is she going to do that by opening up her legs AGAIN?
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michelle
Jul 2 2012, 02:15 PM
Angie79
Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up his pants to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
There. That's better.
Actually, I think I like this one:

Sami tries to get EJ to push her off a cliff but shoot her in the head first (like she did.)

Aw...much better! ;)
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LuvingLumi
Jul 2 2012, 02:16 PM
Angie79
Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
How is she going to do that by opening up her legs AGAIN?
It's a start. ;)
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Jul 2 2012, 02:17 PM
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Jul 2 2012, 02:15 PM
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Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up his pants to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
There. That's better.
Actually, I think I like this one:

Sami tries to get EJ to push her off a cliff but shoot her in the head first (like she did.)

Aw...much better! ;)
Well, that's another option.

A bit messier, but an option nonetheless.
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What kind of open up? His pants? His checkbook? His "The Doctor is In For Sage Advice" door?

I hated the dropping of Lucas and Sami. With him is the ONLY time I can barely tolerate her. I have some hope this ridiculous crap will be righted and Ejole are re-united after the Olympics break. I do suspect that Rafe will be back with the pig, though, and Lucas remains tangential. Way to treat a vet, Dool, just as you have been for years, now, i.e., wasting him.
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michelle
Jul 2 2012, 02:15 PM
Angie79
Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up his pants to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
There. That's better.
LMAO!! I read it so fast, that's exactly what I thought I read. This version is way more fun.

Or we could do it Tomsawyer's way: Sami tries to get EJ to open up to her in bed.
Either way, they sound great.
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Jul 2 2012, 02:28 PM
michelle
Jul 2 2012, 02:15 PM
Angie79
Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up his pants to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
There. That's better.
LMAO!! I read it so fast, that's exactly what I thought I read. This version is way more fun.

Or we could do it Tomsawyer's way: Sami tries to get EJ to open up to her in bed.
Either way, they sound great.
HA! You KNOW that's what came to my mind as soon as I read the spoiler.
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Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

People must be really bored lol they are making up their own spoilers.

Heres one: Lucas, Sami and Will scheme to take Ej down. Sami is just about to shoot his balls off when Nicole arrives and saves him. Ejole reunite and Sami pitches a fit that there aren't three guys racing to get down her pants. Lucas tells her not to talk like that in front of Will but he gives her a look that says, I'll take care of getting into your pants later....
Edited by LucasHortonFan, Jul 2 2012, 02:40 PM.
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

Oh here's another made up spoiler: Ej hires his goons to deposit both Daniel and Melanie off the highest cliff that he can find, thus assuring us of never ever having a revisit of Dan and Nicole, or any Dan and patient story line.
Edited by LucasHortonFan, Jul 2 2012, 02:42 PM.
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Angie79
Jul 2 2012, 02:09 PM
Wednesday ("Coming Clean")
Sami tries to get EJ to open up to her; Chad receives an alarming call from Carly.
Totally OT, but "Coming Clean" was going to be the title of the memoirs my friend's mom was going to write about her shower massager.

Anyhoooo... who's going to be fessing up, and to what?

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Jul 1 2012, 10:56 PM
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Jul 1 2012, 10:43 PM
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Jul 1 2012, 10:40 PM
What about Nicole's part in sleeping with Daniel? I mean he was married to her "bestie" wasn't he? And she's pretty aware that she's pregnant and has a high risk pregnancy, right? And she's supposibly totally in love with EJ while she's sleeping with her doctor and lusting after Rafe?

Why did she bring out the "EJ tried to kill me" thing? I know he did, but why did she if she's so inlove with him? And why is she keeping the baby from him because "he's a Dimera", like Sami did, when she helped that Dimera become Salem's mayor and basked in the glory of being his wife and living at the Dimansion?

So many questions about Nicole...
Because MarDar wrote this shit and had to destroy Nicole to make another woman look better, which never could happen, because Sami is a Beast afterall. MarDar pretty much put Sami in Nicole's role and made Nicole into Sami. So I refuse to let MarDar make me turn on Nicole.
Yeah, they aren't exactly writing Nicole as Nicole now are they?
She's exactly like the Nicole I know and love. Hopefully that weepy whiny version that popped up and took over several years into her run will never return.
Edited by six, Jul 2 2012, 03:18 PM.
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