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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
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Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,729 Views)
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Jul 3 2012, 08:19 PM
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:shrug: Clearly, I am in the minority here but I think the show is actually better as of late and I LIKE these spoilers.
John and Dimera Enterprises. It's about time they address that pink elephant in the room. JOHN IS A DIMERA!
EJ/Sami/Will/Lucas. Awesome. Cuz, I love Sami, yo! :flipoff: :moon:
Nicole/Daniel. You know, whatever...no characters on the show knock boots with more characters on the show than these two. Works for me.
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Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed!
It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides.
Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
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Jul 3 2012, 08:51 PM
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer: Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John.
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Jul 3 2012, 08:52 PM
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I am glad that they are FINALLY adressing the fact the John is a Dimera and when Stefano dies then he would be in line for Dimera Enterprises as well.
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Ali_James
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Jul 3 2012, 08:53 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Ummm, if it's the writers who don't choose (and I agree with that), then how can you say, "Sami knows what she wants" and has for 5 years? "Sami" is the writers' creation. She IS what they write, and what they've written is a bratty, selfish, shrewish female whom no one in Salem seems to like, including her relatives, yet three hot men (who don't seem to like her, either. Well, maybe Lucas and Rafe do/did) circle her beastcunt and move in in turns. One for each fan base.
Roman loves her, Caroline, Kayla, Brady even. Her family do like her. Perhaps minus Carrie for obvious reasons they have their issues. Lucas came running from Hong Kong for her. EJ's got her picture all over his apartment for some reason and gives her things like jobs and a home. To say nobody likes her is out there.
Her kids. Bo, Hope. They were so great when Johnny was missing. I wish we could see more of the Bradys as a family. And I do think that Sami and Carrie love each other, they just don't like each other very much.
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Jul 3 2012, 08:57 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular.
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Jul 3 2012, 09:17 PM
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular. I have no doubt that EJ cares for Will and is still looking out for him. EJ recognizes Will's dark side and is trying to keep it under control. Will is a loose cannon, but working for EJ provides a way for Will to keep his emotions at bay & tap into his natural dark side.
Will's had a very unstable life and once something 'stable' is gone, he loses control. Thus why he was so emotional about his break up with Gabi, losing the the family life he had when Safe were together, revealing the EJAMI sex to Rafe, thinking that Stefano was behind the safehouse explosions, and when EJ fired him.
Will loves working for EJ, but he also craves power. Will likes testing the boundaries with EJ. I think Will appreciates EJ in a way, despite the blackmail.
So yes I agree that Will wants to be associated with EJ and EJ knows this. The push/pull of EJILL is so fun to watch! EJ is just trying to teach young William, much like how Stefano tried to teach EJ.
Everything about EJILL is just so awesome :rockon:
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Jul 3 2012, 09:41 PM
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John. That is only till she finds out wt EJ did to John. Sami might deem Jarlena her enemies today, and just like years ago that'll all change in a heartbeat.
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Jul 3 2012, 09:47 PM
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Its going to be someone lame, like Ian, as the person responsible for setting up EJ. I bet he didnt even know there were bullets in his apartment. But...why be so stupid as to throw gloves away instead of burning them? Especially with gun powder residue.
Hey its Danloe porn part deux! What I want to know is when Sami will partake of the awesomeness that is Annoying Dan? DAYS MAKE IT HAPPEN!
EJ and Sami...meh...its going BUH BYE soon!
Oh, did OrangeGlow remember he has a daughter? LOL
Another possibility for framing EJ, now that we know he's leaving is Bo...
Wow, you are right about that AND we haven't seen what Bo is up to. Yelp, I am so nervous. If Bo is being caught in the end...ah.. I want my ELOPE possibility. Hope it does not screw that up. I think ELOPE could be interesting if they do not once again go with EJAMI. Maybe ELOPE could happen and then when SAMI is done with this back and forth and really knows what she wants EJAMI could have a real chance again?
Sami knows what she wants. She has known it since 07. It's the writers who are playing these games! They don't want to make a decision and stick to a couple for Sami or the other characters in this age group! Sorry but when does what Sami wants not correspond to how the writers write her?? As I remember in 2007 she was completely in love with lucas, married him cause she wanted to not because she blackmailed or forced and in 2008 she hopped off Ej's penis to chase after Lucas. That I remember correctly before she found out she was pregnant and after Lucas told her it was through she had a chance to be with EJ, she chose not to. Her choices have been pretty clear since 2007, she's chosen both lucas and Rafe over EJ.
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Jul 3 2012, 09:51 PM
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular. Because if he cared for will and/or Sami he would let him work for him without blackmailing him... It's really that simple. Someone that cares for someone doesn't blackmail them period.
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John. Will won't be happy.
This would be a cause for Lucas to lose his job. Would not be surprised if it's Will or Sami that fires him.
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Jul 3 2012, 09:54 PM
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular. Neither couple was popular at all. State had a little more support but clearly neither made much sense. Kate married and in love with the guy that tried to kill her son and roman doing the same with the woman that tried to kill his daughter. Roman and Kate were never popular at all.
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer: Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly).
Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen.
I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it.
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Jul 3 2012, 10:10 PM
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John.
Will won't be happy. This would be a cause for Lucas to lose his job. Would not be surprised if it's Will or Sami that fires him. Will doesn't have a say in firing his father and if that happens its all angst... The more distance there is between lucas and Sami or Lucas and will the more I'm convinced that something is going to happen to Wilk to bring all 3 together in some form or fashion
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Jul 3 2012, 10:23 PM
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Wow, you are right about that AND we haven't seen what Bo is up to. Yelp, I am so nervous. If Bo is being caught in the end...ah.. I want my ELOPE possibility. Hope it does not screw that up. I think ELOPE could be interesting if they do not once again go with EJAMI. Maybe ELOPE could happen and then when SAMI is done with this back and forth and really knows what she wants EJAMI could have a real chance again?
Sami knows what she wants. She has known it since 07. It's the writers who are playing these games! They don't want to make a decision and stick to a couple for Sami or the other characters in this age group!
Sorry but when does what Sami wants not correspond to how the writers write her?? As I remember in 2007 she was completely in love with lucas, married him cause she wanted to not because she blackmailed or forced and in 2008 she hopped off Ej's penis to chase after Lucas. That I remember correctly before she found out she was pregnant and after Lucas told her it was through she had a chance to be with EJ, she chose not to. Her choices have been pretty clear since 2007, she's chosen both lucas and Rafe over EJ. Rafe yes. Lucas not so much. She chose Lucas but we also saw her clearly wanting EJ over Lucas at a certain point. We also saw both Lucas and Rafe telling us EJ was the man Sami loved. It's just not as cut and dry as what you stated.
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Jul 3 2012, 10:28 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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Wow, you are right about that AND we haven't seen what Bo is up to. Yelp, I am so nervous. If Bo is being caught in the end...ah.. I want my ELOPE possibility. Hope it does not screw that up. I think ELOPE could be interesting if they do not once again go with EJAMI. Maybe ELOPE could happen and then when SAMI is done with this back and forth and really knows what she wants EJAMI could have a real chance again?
Sami knows what she wants. She has known it since 07. It's the writers who are playing these games! They don't want to make a decision and stick to a couple for Sami or the other characters in this age group!
Sorry but when does what Sami wants not correspond to how the writers write her?? As I remember in 2007 she was completely in love with lucas, married him cause she wanted to not because she blackmailed or forced and in 2008 she hopped off Ej's penis to chase after Lucas. That I remember correctly before she found out she was pregnant and after Lucas told her it was through she had a chance to be with EJ, she chose not to. Her choices have been pretty clear since 2007, she's chosen both lucas and Rafe over EJ. Well to be fair, Sami has never really made it clear who she wants to be with, she swaped spit with Lucas , Ej and Rafe.
I happen to think she always been in denial about her feelings for Ej, Lucas called her out on it, as well as Rafe.
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Jul 3 2012, 10:31 PM
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John.
Will won't be happy. This would be a cause for Lucas to lose his job. Would not be surprised if it's Will or Sami that fires him.
Will doesn't have a say in firing his father and if that happens its all angst... The more distance there is between lucas and Sami or Lucas and will the more I'm convinced that something is going to happen to Wilk to bring all 3 together in some form or fashion He could have a say with the power trip to be just like EJ he's on. EJ threatened last week to make Will, Sami's boss.
It's not like EJ would scold Will for firing Lucas.
Considering BD's words about having nothing storywise at this point, while JS and CM talk up EJ and Will's father-son relationship at the Emmy's. I don't think anything big is coming to Lucas and Will together.
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Jul 3 2012, 10:36 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly). Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen. I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it. Lucas is not happy that his son is working with Ej though, he expressed to him a few times that he thinks that Ej is bad news. It is Will that seems to enjoy working with Ej, regardless how his parents feel about it,so it is not like they have a huge say on what goes on between them. I doubt that Lucas is aware that Will has turned the tables on him, but that is besides the point.
The bottom line is that Will made it clear that he enjoys working for Ej, his parents does not have a say cause quite frankly is none of their business. Not to say that they should not be concerned but if Will is adamant about working with Ej, they best bet is to walk away cause they are not changing his mind on working with Ej, they are just wasting their time.
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Jul 3 2012, 10:42 PM
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- Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John.
Will won't be happy. This would be a cause for Lucas to lose his job. Would not be surprised if it's Will or Sami that fires him.
Will doesn't have a say in firing his father and if that happens its all angst... The more distance there is between lucas and Sami or Lucas and will the more I'm convinced that something is going to happen to Wilk to bring all 3 together in some form or fashion They'd have to write for BD/Lucas for any of it to be angst. Maybe they will but everything right now on screen and bts points to the contrary.
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Jul 3 2012, 10:48 PM
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- Jul 3 2012, 10:36 PM
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- Jul 3 2012, 09:58 PM
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- Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly). Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen. I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it.
Lucas is not happy that his son is working with Ej though, he expressed to him a few times that he thinks that Ej is bad news. It is Will that seems to enjoy working with Ej, regardless how his parents feel about it,so it is not like they have a huge say on what goes on between them. I doubt that Lucas is aware that Will has turned the tables on him, but that is besides the point. The bottom line is that Will made it clear that he enjoys working for Ej, his parents does not have a say cause quite frankly is none of their business. Not to say that they should not be concerned but if Will is adamant about working with Ej, they best bet is to walk away cause they are not changing his mind on working with Ej, they are just wasting their time. I just disagree that as a parent, and non-EJ fan, Lucas would just turn his back and walk away and say, yeah ok whatever. It's their business, because Will is Lucas and Sami's son, whether he is 9 or 19. Was Sami out of line confronting EJ about Will? Would anyone expect her to just accept it b/c she can't change Will's mind? Should Lucas let his son make his own mistakes? Maybe - I guess that is really the only way a young person learns. But when those mistakes involve something DiMera - I think Lucas has enough first-hand experience to know the danger his son might be in. Is it arrogant of Lucas to think might know better? I just think he is being a dad, and he knows what a DiMera association can mean. And also, I would be very disappointed if Lucas just took Will's assurances at face value. I think Will is operating on a very healthy dose of youthful hubris/I-have-the-world-figured-out-ness. It's been spoiled that Lucas reacts strongly when he hears his son sound/behave so cockily. I think he has reason to worry that Will's being so pleased and satisfied with himself might land him in trouble.
Will wants to work for EJ - great. He is not a slave, he is not being tortured to get the job done. Wonderful. But even with that being true, I just really don't think Lucas, or Sami, for that matter, would just leave things be. It's still their business even if Will screams at them that it's not, even if he screams from the mountain-tops how much he loves everything EJ. Why is it a waste of time to want to at least try to protect your son from a danger he might not realize even exists? Again, Will might think he knows what he is risking, but he doesn't really - and Lucas is just looking out for that blind spot, for that Achilles Hill. I think he is right to do so.
Edited by elci525, Jul 3 2012, 10:50 PM.
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