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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,728 Views)
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All couples make sense on a soap opera. People do shitty things to each other but then their relationships change. Its always been that way. It's entertainment.
Edited by Shadow, Jul 3 2012, 11:27 PM.
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I fucking love #Dikki!

Let the judgement begin!
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Friday ("The Love Triangle")
Sami is caught in the middle of Lucas and EJ's conflict; Chad puts himself in danger hoping to rescue Melanie.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

LuvingLumi
Jul 3 2012, 09:54 PM
Ali_James
Jul 3 2012, 08:57 PM
Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?

Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular.
Neither couple was popular at all. State had a little more support but clearly neither made much sense. Kate married and in love with the guy that tried to kill her son and roman doing the same with the woman that tried to kill his daughter. Roman and Kate were never popular at all.


I disagree. I only post at Soapcentral.com and Kate/Stefano + Roman/Kate are 2 very popular couples. Especially Stefano with Kate!

elci525
Jul 3 2012, 09:58 PM
Ejami79
Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed!

It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides.

Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly).

Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen.

I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it.


How is this creating LUMI angst? Sami practically forgives anything Lucas does. She didn't even hold it against him that he made her feel like Will wanted to get away from her in 07, when he sent Will away for a totally different reason, having nothing to do with Sami. Yet somehow, Lucas is her hero! She can get passed this, seing what she accepts from Lucas.

As for Will, I don't blame Lucas for wanting Will away from E.J. Even if Lucas should realize that E.J. is not the problem and Will was acting out, going around shooting and blackmailing people LONG before he went to work for E.J. Yet, Lucas is completely oblivious to that, always treating Will as the victim and E.J. as the aggressor. When will he see his son for who he is? When Will is in jail, for a crime unrelated to his activities with E.J.?

Lucas already excluded Sami from Will's life, when he shipped him off to Carrie and Austin, without even telling Sami what Will had done, that he shot someone. Then he comes back from HongKong and again, says nothing about Will shooting E.J. all those years ago or E.J. blackmailing Will to work for him.

He told Sami that they'd help Will together and what does he do, he goes to John and Marlena. I seem to remember them being completely under Rafe and Carrie's spell, when they were kissing at the safehouse, like Sami didn't even matter. And now, Lucas is bringing them into Sami's life, like she has nothing to say on the matter.

Marlena has known for months that Will was working for E.J., they know he is a suspect in Stefano's murder. What did she do to uncover the truth, what is going on with Will? Nothing. What can she do now? Will isn't listening to anyone.

Lucas has no respect for Sami as a mother. And I hope she finally realizes it.
Edited by Ali_James, Jul 4 2012, 04:55 AM.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Angie79
Jul 4 2012, 02:10 AM
Friday ("The Love Triangle")
Sami is caught in the middle of Lucas and EJ's conflict; Chad puts himself in danger hoping to rescue Melanie.
What a weird episode title. There have been times in the past that I would have agreed the EJamucas story is a 'love triangle' but they really haven't played it as such for quite a long time. Makes me wonder if EJ suddenly declares his feelings. I sort of hope not. I'd much rather see Sami do the declaring this time around.
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

wow a few must have a crystal ball bc a few just assume Sami is gonna go right for Ej when she has already had every chance and turned it down cold. I am going to wait and see what happens when Satan and his minions take over. Right now everything is pure speculation and I am not about to get all worked up over nothing.




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Dear NBC/SONY,

We said we hated Dr. Fuckmypatients and wanted to see less of him, not more. Obviously you didn't get the message or supposedly you are just using Dicole for as a little SL filler, where we can hate him a little more. Daniel is not a leading man and should be reduced to bed pan duty at the hospital. I love Nicole and yes, I can see her sexing it up with just about anyone, but not while pregnant. Daniel being attracted to a woman on an 'emotional' level is sick and I just hate him more. Daniel worried about a "love triangle? 1st of all, this is another repetitive SL, we just had Jack, Jen & Daniel or did you already forget? What did Daniel expect, fucking a pregnant woman? That in itself is a huge clue that she was recently involved with someone else. Daniel is a gropey moron, who thinks with his dick. I sincerely hope he is the sinister bastard that is setting up EJ for Steffy's murder, so he can keep Nicole for himself. But we all know Dr. Dan is not the sharpest tool in the shed and can only think about getting off on his next patient.

Thanks for the summer of suck. Desperate viewers wiil watch Dicole, only because there is no other sex happening on canvas right now. Dicole is a lame excuse and a poor execution of what could have been.

Regards, Disgruntled Fan
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

I am no fan of Nicole or Daniel but I think they are working as sex buddies. If Nicole can sleep with Roman, then she can sex it up with Daniel while pregnant. I don't mind a pregnant woman having sex with a man who is not the father of the child. I mind Daniel having sex with yet another patient!

Anyway, she has more chemistry with him than she has with Rafe. And I find them less revolting than Brady and Madison! As long as she is away from E.J. and he is away from Jen, I am happy.
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

ewww Daniel sexing it up with anyone at this point is just disgusting bc the show has ruined him. I couldn't stand him with anyone now except maybe Billie. Billie isnt even used yet she is on the show. Why can't Dr Dan have a normal romance, this show must have a problem with normal and must enjoy low grade porn bc that is what Dickole and Ej and Sami are. I don't want my fav soap turning into Porn or worse yet Perv in the afternoon. Both pairings make me wanna throw up a lunch I haven't even eaten yet so that is saying something. Tptb please do something, throw these two non couples who must not be named to the dementers or something!
Edited by LucasHortonFan, Jul 4 2012, 07:24 AM.
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How is this creating LUMI angst? Sami practically forgives anything Lucas does. She didn't even hold it against him that he made her feel like Will wanted to get away from her in 07, when he sent Will away for a totally different reason, having nothing to do with Sami. Yet somehow, Lucas is her hero! She can get passed this, seing what she accepts from Lucas.

As for Will, I don't blame Lucas for wanting Will away from E.J. Even if Lucas should realize that E.J. is not the problem and Will was acting out, going around shooting and blackmailing people LONG before he went to work for E.J. Yet, Lucas is completely oblivious to that, always treating Will as the victim and E.J. as the aggressor. When will he see his son for who he is? When Will is in jail, for a crime unrelated to his activities with E.J.?

Lucas already excluded Sami from Will's life, when he shipped him off to Carrie and Austin, without even telling Sami what Will had done, that he shot someone. Then he comes back from HongKong and again, says nothing about Will shooting E.J. all those years ago or E.J. blackmailing Will to work for him.

He told Sami that they'd help Will together and what does he do, he goes to John and Marlena. I seem to remember them being completely under Rafe and Carrie's spell, when they were kissing at the safehouse, like Sami didn't even matter. And now, Lucas is bringing them into Sami's life, like she has nothing to say on the matter.

Marlena has known for months that Will was working for E.J., they know he is a suspect in Stefano's murder. What did she do to uncover the truth, what is going on with Will? Nothing. What can she do now? Will isn't listening to anyone.

Lucas has no respect for Sami as a mother. And I hope she finally realizes it.
You are going to feel how you are going to feel, and if Lucas asking Will's family for advice or help is some great sin and betrayal of Sami, then so be it. I just don't see it that way. Lucas does a lot of things wrong, makes a lot of mistakes, but I don't see why this is so monumentally earth shattering.

1) I was sort of completely joking about the Lumi angst thing. It was a hopeful wish kind of mention - I'd be so lucky as to get Lumi angst. Because for Lumi to have angst, sort of suggests they are the central couple that other forces are working to break apart. When it seems like anything that happens with Lumi is a prop or in service to Ejami. Which bothers me from the top of my head to the tips of my toes. So really Sami getting angry or being displeased with Lucas would just be another thing to cause distance between them and - b/c every action has an equal but opposite reaction - closer to someone else. etc. etc.

But I am also not sure what the criticism here is. I am sure Sami can ultimately get past anything - that she is still taking to and now making eyes at EJ is evidence of this. And that is supposed to be totally ok and natural and of course she is!! Lucas and Sami have disagreed and it's created distance between them, even if they have gotten past it. Sami and Lucas have forgiven each other for bigger things - fantastic! This is part of the reason I like them. Still doesn't change what I am suggesting, that any anger Sami might feel at Lucas for going to Jarlena COULD result in such a distance. And in my pessimistic Lumi mind, I see it as a s/line plot to further this Ejami whateverness. That's it - not sure what is so controversial about that. I am even acknowledging what Lucas does might upset Sami. I am saying what he does is "wrong" enough that Sami might see it as some kind of affront. But I also understand his reasons.

2) Why is Lucas getting a shit storm poured over him for wanting his son not to get mixed up with EJ? B/c EJ is wonderful and Will is bad and let them be wonderful and bad together??!! Part of what was going to make Ejill so compelling was this push/pull over Will's "soul" or whatever. It was going to be interesting to see Will vacillate himself - that conflict was going to make him a gray character (otherwise, he'd just be black, one note, like a caricature). I don't think Lucas is oblivious to as much as you think. When he and Sami were at the police station, and Sami said do you think our little boy is capable of murder (or something like that), Lucas said he doesn't think Will is their little boy anymore. Clearly, that is an understatement - but I also think he meant it as such. I think he is getting a clearer and clearer picture of who his son is, of what appetites Will is starting to get a taste for, and it makes him uneasy, like it would any parent. I mean really, what should he do? Please tell me. Just walk away?? Say, my boy is a baddie, let him just fester in the glorious badness? Even realizing this, you don't think he would still have an instinct to want to protect his son? You don't think he would feel slightly territorial maybe, seeing this is EJ we are talking about, or think EJ has some hidden agenda Will might not know about? Will is no victim, but he is a novice at best, and maybe that is what Lucas is scared of. As I said in my first post, spoilers say the alarms go off for Lucas when he hears his son barking orders and acting cockily over the phone. I think maybe Lucas might see that Will thinks he has things so figured out, and that is just a recipe for disaster.

3) Lucas didn't tell Sami about covering up for Will as a way to protect her - I think he said as much when he revealed this to her. Maybe he was willing to be a little cruel to ultimately be kind, so that she would be less at risk for something, being one less person knowing. Would I have rather seen full-disclosure - of course. But this is what happens when a story is retconned, so I am not too bothered by it. He comes back from Hong Kong and says nothing about Will shooting EJ for the same reason. And Sami understood. That he didn't tell her about EJ blackmailing Will bothered me - I would have rather him be honest with her about that. I am not sure if Will asked him not to say anything. Or maybe it was a contrivance to allow the fight between them that pulled Will out to his parents. Or maybe he just made a mistake b/c both he and Sami are very flawed people.

As for, "He told Sami that they'd help Will together and what does he do, he goes to John and Marlena [...] And now, Lucas is bringing them into Sami's life, like she has nothing to say on the matter" - how do we know this is how it happens? How do we know what Lucas is thinking, or maybe where Sam is at the moment that he doesn't discuss it with her (probably with EJ, it seems.....ggrroaannn). I don't get the "bringing them into Sami's life" thing: 1) they are in Sami's life, as her mother and step-father, and as Will's grandparents and 2) at the moment, it seems Lucas's concern is primarily with Will, and he knows Marlena was at least someone Will trusted enough to come out to, so maybe she can get through to him like he and Sami can't. And who's to say he wouldn't discuss the advice he received with Sami first. He said the "work together" thing, and Sami immediately went off on her own to confront EJ. That is how she thought it was best to deal with the situation. And now Lucas is following a hunch of his own -- seems like it's just that Lucas and Sami are alike, and when they have an idea of how to help their son, they chase it.

"Marlena has known for months that Will was working for E.J., they know he is a suspect in Stefano's murder. What did she do to uncover the truth, what is going on with Will? Nothing. What can she do now? Will isn't listening to anyone."

Fair enough. But why should this keep Lucas from at least trying to help his son from getting in over his head, before it's too late? Again, Will is not a victim, but no way he knows more than EJ after what, a few months of sort of observing him (do WHAT, exactly?) What is so bad about wanting to get an opinion or perspective from someone in the family? I can see how some might think this is going behind Sami's back. Sami sort of went behind Lucas's (and Will's back a little, at least at the time) when she had an open discussion with EJ about Will's coming out. Yes, he was just there with advice, but she decided to stay and engage him. And he had some good advice, so it was helpful. Was Sami thinking about how it might be a betrayal to her family to openly discuss such an intimate topic with EJ of all people, or how it was disrespectful to Lucas to seek advice from someone else (a bit of an enemy to Lucas, I might add) instead of hashing it out with him? No. And yes, Lucas got angry with her about it, with good reason. Lucas even acknowledged he was on his high horse acting like that. So they got past that immediate situation. Why is Lucas trying to help his son any way he can think of so different? I wish Lucas didn't have to ask for advice so much, but he is sort of a stranger in this older, changed Will's life, and he is doing the best he can.

As for Lucas not respecting Sami as a mother, think what you like. I think he just sees his son getting deeper and deeper into hot water, and is doing what he can think of to help. He doesn't want to see his son in jail for any reason, EJ related or not. And if Will were mixed up with some other shady characters, the Maroni family or whoever the resident Salem mobsters are, he would see them as the aggressor. I don't love that he goes to Marlena and John for help, but I can understand his reasons, and I don't think it's absolute gospel-truth evidence that he is some bug on the bottom of Sami's shoe, or that he has no respect for her. I think he knows exactly how Sami feels about Marlena and John; he just sees a way to help his son, and that is maybe slightly more important to him at the moment. Sami confronting EJ was for me an example of Sami doing whatever the hell she thought was best - is she being accused of disrespecting Lucas, or having no respect for him as a father? Or did she just do what she thought was best for Will?

I also think this is just plot contrivance to get the John takes over DiMera Enterprises ball rolling.

One last thing [I know, I talk too much]: it was heroic for Lucas to go to prison for his son. Any father might do it, but it was still a sacrifice, and it cost Lucas a lot. But it doesn't appear to me he is being treated as a hero for it. Sami thanked him for three seconds, and then they got into a fight over the blackmail secret, and that heroism was quickly shuffled under the rug. So when Lucas does wrong, Sami calls him on it regardless. I don't see anyone swooning and saying "My hero".
Edited by elci525, Jul 4 2012, 10:28 AM.
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Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.

Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
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LucasHortonFan
Please write 4 Bryan Dattilo, Give him a love interest.

elci525
Jul 4 2012, 07:36 AM
Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 04:53 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 3 2012, 09:54 PM
Ali_James
Jul 3 2012, 08:57 PM
Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?

Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular.
Neither couple was popular at all. State had a little more support but clearly neither made much sense. Kate married and in love with the guy that tried to kill her son and roman doing the same with the woman that tried to kill his daughter. Roman and Kate were never popular at all.


I disagree. I only post at Soapcentral.com and Kate/Stefano + Roman/Kate are 2 very popular couples. Especially Stefano with Kate!

elci525
Jul 3 2012, 09:58 PM
Ejami79
Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed!

It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides.

Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly).

Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen.

I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it.


How is this creating LUMI angst? Sami practically forgives anything Lucas does. She didn't even hold it against him that he made her feel like Will wanted to get away from her in 07, when he sent Will away for a totally different reason, having nothing to do with Sami. Yet somehow, Lucas is her hero! She can get passed this, seing what she accepts from Lucas.

As for Will, I don't blame Lucas for wanting Will away from E.J. Even if Lucas should realize that E.J. is not the problem and Will was acting out, going around shooting and blackmailing people LONG before he went to work for E.J. Yet, Lucas is completely oblivious to that, always treating Will as the victim and E.J. as the aggressor. When will he see his son for who he is? When Will is in jail, for a crime unrelated to his activities with E.J.?

Lucas already excluded Sami from Will's life, when he shipped him off to Carrie and Austin, without even telling Sami what Will had done, that he shot someone. Then he comes back from HongKong and again, says nothing about Will shooting E.J. all those years ago or E.J. blackmailing Will to work for him.

He told Sami that they'd help Will together and what does he do, he goes to John and Marlena. I seem to remember them being completely under Rafe and Carrie's spell, when they were kissing at the safehouse, like Sami didn't even matter. And now, Lucas is bringing them into Sami's life, like she has nothing to say on the matter.

Marlena has known for months that Will was working for E.J., they know he is a suspect in Stefano's murder. What did she do to uncover the truth, what is going on with Will? Nothing. What can she do now? Will isn't listening to anyone.

Lucas has no respect for Sami as a mother. And I hope she finally realizes it.
Look, you are going to feel how you are going to feel, and if Lucas asking Will's family for advice or help is some great sin and betrayal of Sami, then so be it. I just don't see it that way. Lucas does a lot of things wrong, makes a lot of mistakes, but I don't see why this is so monumentally earth shattering.

Now to dismantle the challenge lay before me:

1) I was sort of completely joking about the Lumi angst thing. It was a hopeful wish kind of mention. b/c for Lumi to have angst, sort of suggests they are the central couple that other forces are working to break apart. When it seems like anything that happens with Lumi is a prop or in service to Ejami. Which bothers me from the top of my head to the tips of my toes, like you wouldn't believe. So really Sami getting angry or being displeased with Will would just be another thing to cause distance between them and, b/c all movement has an equal but opposite reaction, closer to someone else. etc. etc. It's not really Lumi angst so much as problems.

I a sure Sami can ultimately get passed whatever - that she is still taking to and now making eyes at EJ is an example of this. And that is supposed to be totally ok and natural and of course she is!! I don't understand quite what the criticism is - Lucas and Sami have disagreed and it's created distance between them, even if they have gotten past it. I am just suggesting any anger Sami might feel at Lucas if she discovers he went to Marlena and John for advice, it COULD result in such a distance being created between them. And that is sort of like angst, but maybe it's more accurate just to say problems. But why can't I say angst if I want to - I still don't understand what is so hot-buttony about my use of that term. Sami and Lucas have forgiven each other for bigger things - fantastic! I am glad of it and it part of the reason I like them. But this sounds to me like something Sami might take issue with, and in my pessimistic Lumi mind, I see it as a s/line plot to further this Ejami whateverness. That's it. Not sure what is so controversial about that, and I am even acknowledging what Lucas does might upset Sami. I am saying what he does is "wrong" enough that Sami might see it as some kind of affront. But I also understand his reasons - from the little I have been told in these spoilers.

So, yes - I will say it again: Lumi angst. Why not.

2) Why is Lucas getting a shit storm poured over him for wanting his son not to get mixed up with EJ? B/c EJ is wonderful and Will is bad and let them be bad and wonderful together??!! Part of what was going to make Ejill so compelling was this push/pull over Will's soul or whatever. It was going to be interesting to see Will vacillate himself - that conflict was going to make him a grey character (otherwise, he wold be just black, one note, caricatur-ish). I don't think Lucas is oblivious to as much as you think. When he and Sami were at the police station, and Sami said do you think our little boy is capable of murder (or something like that), Lucas said he doesn't think Will is their little boy anymore. Clearly, that is an understatement - but I also think he meant it as such. I think he is getting a clearer and clearer picture of who his son is, or what appetites he is starting to get a taste for, and he makes him uneasy, like it would any parent. I mean really, what should he do? Please tell me. Just walk away?? Say, my boy is a baddie, let him just fester in the glorious badness? Even realizing this, you don't think he would still have an instinct to want to protect his son? You don't think he would feel slightly territorial maybe, seeing this is EJ we are talking about, or think EJ has some hidden agenda Will might not know about. Will is no victim, but he is a novice at best, and maybe that is what Lucas is scared of. That Will is in over is head. As I said in my first post, spoilers say the alarms go off for Lucas when he hears his son barking orders and acting cockily over the fun. I think maybe Lucas might see that Will thinks he has things so figured out, and that is just a recipe for disaster. And he is looking out for Will's blind spot in this way. What is so earth-shatteringly wrong about that??

3) Lucas didn't tell Sami about covering up for Will as a way to protect her - I think he said as much when he revealed this to her. Maybe he was willing to be a little cruel to ultimately be kind, so that she would be less risk for something, being one less person knowing. Would I have rather seen full-disclosure - of course. But this is what happens when a story is retconned, so I am not too bothered by it. He comes back from Hong Kong and says nothing about Will shooting EJ for the same reason. And Sami understood. That he didn't tell her about EJ blackmailing Will bothered me - I would have rather him be honest with her about that. I am not sure if Will asked him not to say anything. Or maybe it was a contrivance to allow the fight between them that pulled Will out to his parents. Or maybe he just made a mistake b/c both he and Sami are both very flawed people.

As for, "He told Sami that they'd help Will together and what does he do, he goes to John and Marlena [...] And now, Lucas is bringing them into Sami's life, like she has nothing to say on the matter" - how do we know this is how it happens? How do we know what Lucas is thinking, or maybe where Sam is at the moment that he doesn't discuss it with her (probably with EJ, it seems.....ggrrrrooooaaannnn). I don't get the "bringing them into Sami's life" thing: 1) they are in Sami's life, as her mother and step-father and 2) at the moment, it seems Lucas's concern is primarily with Will, and he knows Marlena was at least someone Will trusted enough to come out to, so maybe she can get through to him like he and Sami can't. And who's to say he wouldn't discuss the advice he received with Sami first. He said the "work together" thing, and Sami immediately went off on her own to confront EJ. That is how she thought it was best to deal with the situation. And now Lucas is following a hunch of his own -- seems like it's just that Lucas and Sami are alike, and when they have an idea of how to help their son, they chase it.

"Marlena has known for months that Will was working for E.J., they know he is a suspect in Stefano's murder. What did she do to uncover the truth, what is going on with Will? Nothing. What can she do now? Will isn't listening to anyone."

Fair enough. But why should this keep Lucas from at least trying to help his son from getting in over his head, before it's too late and Will finds himself in head-deep in muck and mire he can't pull himself out of. Again, Will is not a victim, but no way he knows more than EJ after what, a few months of sort of observing him (do what, exactly??) Again, Will hasn't been cluing Lucas is, so for all Lucas knows, Marlena is still someone Will trusts, and so Lucas trusts her too. What is so bad about wanting to get an opinion or perspective from someone in the family. Again, I can see how some might think this is going behind Sami's back or something. Sami sort of went behind Lucas (and Will's back a little, at least at the time) when she had an open discussion with EJ about Will's coming out. Yes, he was just there with advice, but she decided to stay and engage him. And he had some good advice, so it was helpful. Was Sami thinking about how it might be a betrayal to her family to openly discuss such an intimate topic with a non-family member, or how it was disrespectful to Lucas to seek advice from someone else instead of hash it out with him. No. And yes, Lucas got angry with her about it, with good reason - but they got past it too. Lucas even acknowledged he was on his high horse acting like that. So they got past that immediate situation. Why is Lucas trying to help his son anyway he can think of so different? I wish Lucas didn't have to ask for advice so much, like I said, but he is sort of a stranger in this older, changed Will's life, and he is doing the best he can.

As for Lucas not respecting Sami as a mother, think what you like. I think just sees his son getting deeper and deeper into hot water, and is doing what he can think of to help. He doesn't want to see his son in jail for any reason, EJ related or not. And if Will were mixed up with some other shady characters, the Maroni family or whoever the resident Salem mobsters are, he would see them as the aggressor. I don't love that he goes to Marlena and John for help, but I can understand his reasons, and I don't think it's absolute gospel-truth evidence that he is some bug on the bottom of Sami's show, or that he has no respect for her. I think he knows exactly how Sami feels about Marlena and John; he just sees a way to help his son, and that is maybe slightly more important to him at the moment. Sami confronting EJ was for me an example of Sami doing whatever the hell she thought was best - is she being accused of disrespecting Lucas, or having no respect for him as a father? Or did she just do what she thought was best for Will?

And last thing - it was heroic for Lucas to go to prison for his son. Any father might do it, but it was still a heroic thing to do. And it doesn't appear to me he is being treated as a hero for it. Sami thanked him for three seconds, and then they got into a fight over the blackmail secret, and that heroism was quickly shuffled under the rug. So when Lucas does wrong, Sami calls him on it regardless. I don't see anyone swooning and saying "My hero".
I'm okay with him seeking out advice bc imho Sami is not the one to go to advice for on their son. Bc of her actions ie deadbeabysex Will is in this huge mess in the first place. Marlena has had a good, positive relationship with her grandson. I can totally see that Lucas would go to them for advice. Maybe Lucas just wants to keep his family safe from a monster who has done nothing but harm his family. How John Black of him to want to protect his family. Added bonus, I finally get to see two of my favs, no three, Lucas John and Marlena have scenes together.
Lucas reminds me of John always wanting to protect those he loves from Stefano. Lucas is no different, only this is with Stefano's son. It all makes perfect sense.
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I need them to address some things with EJ and the kids. The spoiler about him asking Sami to look after them is moronic. HE DOES NOT HAVE CUSTODY.

Meanwhile, is pregnant Nicole literally going to play basketball in the dead of summer. I call foul.
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I guess this is the week of triangles? :flipoff: :bs: :shame:
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Jul 4 2012, 08:24 AM
I need them to address some things with EJ and the kids. The spoiler about him asking Sami to look after them is moronic. HE DOES NOT HAVE CUSTODY.

Meanwhile, is pregnant Nicole literally going to play basketball in the dead of summer. I call foul.
Since it's in an arcade, I'll have to assume there is air conditioning.
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I need them to address some things with EJ and the kids. The spoiler about him asking Sami to look after them is moronic. HE DOES NOT HAVE CUSTODY.

Don't think that matters, if you think you're going away or being from them it's something he says and she agrees to that is for comfort. "Look after ______" you don't need custody of that person to feel that way. A husband can ask a child to look after his mother. The child doesn't have custody.
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Jul 4 2012, 05:09 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 02:10 AM
Friday ("The Love Triangle")
Sami is caught in the middle of Lucas and EJ's conflict; Chad puts himself in danger hoping to rescue Melanie.
What a weird episode title. There have been times in the past that I would have agreed the EJamucas story is a 'love triangle' but they really haven't played it as such for quite a long time. Makes me wonder if EJ suddenly declares his feelings. I sort of hope not. I'd much rather see Sami do the declaring this time around.
ITA. EJ better be the one running and Sami chasing this time around. I don't see EJ declaring his feelings for Sami anytime soon. It's more likely that Lucas will start declaring EJ has feelings for Sami, while EJ gives his patented Posted Image and Sami feeling awkward and in denial mode. I hope that's not the main issue of the confrontation. Ejucas spats are usually must see t.v. and we had, what maybe 2 confrontations at most (if I'm being loose with the word) since Lucas has arrived. No bueno.
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I need them to address some things with EJ and the kids. The spoiler about him asking Sami to look after them is moronic. HE DOES NOT HAVE CUSTODY.

Don't think that matters, if you think you're going away or being from them it's something he says and she agrees to that is for comfort. "Look after ______" you don't need custody of that person to feel that way. A husband can ask a child to look after his mother. The child doesn't have custody.
She's already looking after them. He's not.
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With EJ and beast its "all about the kids," so to avoid child custody SL #9887 between them, yes, an agreement would make sense...but DAYS hasnt made sense since MarDar took over.
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Jul 4 2012, 07:40 AM
Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.

Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame:

What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem.

Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on.

Make it happen TomSell and company.
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