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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
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Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,727 Views)
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Liz<3Days
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Jul 4 2012, 09:02 AM
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- angie37
- Jul 4 2012, 08:54 AM
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Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.
Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame: What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem. Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on. Make it happen TomSell and company. Many of us have gotten off the DAYS merry go round, and doubt bringing EJ and Beast together would accomplish anything. Its been the same tired story for them over and over. Its not going to change. TPTB like dangling that carrot. (Even though the carrot was been rotten since they put it on the stick.)
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Jul 4 2012, 09:09 AM
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- angie37
- Jul 4 2012, 08:54 AM
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- Jul 4 2012, 07:40 AM
Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.
Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame: What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem. Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on. Make it happen TomSell and company. ICAM w/ the bold. Keep ejami together once and for all and have everyone else move one because it's not going to stop. EJ/Sami will always be in each other's orbit and whoever they are paired with will be extra aware of their close proximity, causing them to look like a crazy person. Nicole, Rafe and Lucas have all been there, more than once. I like your ideas as well. I like Dikki right now and am interested to see how things will be once Eric steps into two. I am especially liking the Westmore option (I'm still upset I didn't get Luis/Sheridan) but she's hosting another show so who knows.
I especially feel bad for Lucas in terms of screentime. I mean, he has close ties with I would like to say a good chunk of characters on canvas and yet, we see him mostly with EJ/Sami/Will and the least with Will. Yet, Rafe has barely any legitimate ties and is all over the canvas. I get that his job allows that to be possible but that is bothersome to me. The shitty acting by GG doesn't make it any better.
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Jul 4 2012, 09:51 AM
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- lysie
- Jul 3 2012, 07:24 PM
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Ummm, if it's the writers who don't choose (and I agree with that), then how can you say, "Sami knows what she wants" and has for 5 years? "Sami" is the writers' creation. She IS what they write, and what they've written is a bratty, selfish, shrewish female whom no one in Salem seems to like, including her relatives, yet three hot men (who don't seem to like her, either. Well, maybe Lucas and Rafe do/did) circle her beastcunt and move in in turns. One for each fan base.
Roman loves her, Caroline, Kayla, Brady even. Her family do like her. Perhaps minus Carrie for obvious reasons they have their issues. Lucas came running from Hong Kong for her. EJ's got her picture all over his apartment for some reason and gives her things like jobs and a home. To say nobody likes her is out there.
It's not "out there.". There's a difference in liking and loving. Her family members love her because she is family. But I don't know one of them who LIKES her. She has no friends. As I said, Lucas does and Rafe did like her. But I can think of no one else in Salem who actually likes Sami Brady.
Plus, they all have good reasons to HATE her. She has screwed over almost everyone in Salem at least once.
Again, I point out that saying she "knows what she wants and has for years" and then "it's the writers who won't choose" is illogical since Sami is the writers' creation and is who they write she is.
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Jul 4 2012, 10:03 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 10:05 AM
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- lysie
- Jul 4 2012, 08:24 AM
I need them to address some things with EJ and the kids. The spoiler about him asking Sami to look after them is moronic. HE DOES NOT HAVE CUSTODY.
Meanwhile, is pregnant Nicole literally going to play basketball in the dead of summer. I call foul. Agreed it's moronic, he should have cut out the middle man and gone straight to the babysitting source; Caroline.
Nothing to worry about, I'd bet they will be playing in the Never A Season, Always Comfortable Horton Town Terrarium. it's like being in San Diego
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Jul 4 2012, 10:06 AM
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- spartan
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Sami knows what she wants. She has known it since 07. It's the writers who are playing these games! They don't want to make a decision and stick to a couple for Sami or the other characters in this age group!
Sorry but when does what Sami wants not correspond to how the writers write her?? As I remember in 2007 she was completely in love with lucas, married him cause she wanted to not because she blackmailed or forced and in 2008 she hopped off Ej's penis to chase after Lucas. That I remember correctly before she found out she was pregnant and after Lucas told her it was through she had a chance to be with EJ, she chose not to. Her choices have been pretty clear since 2007, she's chosen both lucas and Rafe over EJ.
Rafe yes. Lucas not so much. She chose Lucas but we also saw her clearly wanting EJ over Lucas at a certain point. We also saw both Lucas and Rafe telling us EJ was the man Sami loved. It's just not as cut and dry as what you stated. We are talking about who she chose, she wanted both men IMHO she lusted after Ej but loved Lucas.....back in 2008....she clearly told Ej in the stairwell after Lucas officially dumped her that she would ALWAYS love Lucas and if he (Ej) was to start a relationship with her it was under those conditions....that was at the point that the triangle was the most evenly split....but she never CHOSE Ej over anyone and that still stands.
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Jul 4 2012, 10:12 AM
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- angie37
- Jul 4 2012, 08:54 AM
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Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.
Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame: What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem. Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on. Make it happen TomSell and company. I don't want Ejami together at all but I agree with the rest of your post. I need to see Lucas shifted away from this mess and now. I'm starting to think that Bryan signed a 2 week epi guarantee while GG and JS have 3/4 week epi limit guarantees and that has hurt his chances. That shouldn't be a problem though, he can still have a story that appears consistently twice a week and it can be away from Sami, EJ, and anyone else in that clusterfuck. I'm not saying that Lumi won't share scenes at all, that is as unrealistic as what Tomlin did in 2009 and had Lumi share 10 scenes all year.....but at least let him have his own story away from the mess that is Sami for now. In a soap they will always go back to the popular couples sooner or later....so I will see Lumi again in time but in the interim please give something for Lucas to do that doesn't involve gravitating around Sami 24/7.
Mind you, I think his behavior in this story is totally warranted. What father would want their kid working for someone who is being accused of murdering someone.
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Jul 4 2012, 10:13 AM
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Sorry but when does what Sami wants not correspond to how the writers write her?? As I remember in 2007 she was completely in love with lucas, married him cause she wanted to not because she blackmailed or forced and in 2008 she hopped off Ej's penis to chase after Lucas. That I remember correctly before she found out she was pregnant and after Lucas told her it was through she had a chance to be with EJ, she chose not to. Her choices have been pretty clear since 2007, she's chosen both lucas and Rafe over EJ.
Rafe yes. Lucas not so much. She chose Lucas but we also saw her clearly wanting EJ over Lucas at a certain point. We also saw both Lucas and Rafe telling us EJ was the man Sami loved. It's just not as cut and dry as what you stated.
We are talking about who she chose, she wanted both men IMHO she lusted after Ej but loved Lucas.....back in 2008....she clearly told Ej in the stairwell after Lucas officially dumped her that she would ALWAYS love Lucas and if he (Ej) was to start a relationship with her it was under those conditions....that was at the point that the triangle was the most evenly split....but she never CHOSE Ej over anyone and that still stands. Yup. I know who she "chose". My point was that EJ didn't always come as a second choice to Lucas. It was evidenced in several ways and made clear she wanted EJ. Lucas knew that as well. That was my point.
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Jul 4 2012, 10:18 AM
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Now they remember John is a Dimera.
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- JamesScott_19
- Jul 3 2012, 10:36 PM
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- Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly). Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen. I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it.
Lucas is not happy that his son is working with Ej though, he expressed to him a few times that he thinks that Ej is bad news. It is Will that seems to enjoy working with Ej, regardless how his parents feel about it,so it is not like they have a huge say on what goes on between them. I doubt that Lucas is aware that Will has turned the tables on him, but that is besides the point. The bottom line is that Will made it clear that he enjoys working for Ej, his parents does not have a say cause quite frankly is none of their business. Not to say that they should not be concerned but if Will is adamant about working with Ej, they best bet is to walk away cause they are not changing his mind on working with Ej, they are just wasting their time. Just because Will enjoys working for him doesn't mean that Lucas has to like or agree with Will's decision. I don't agree with everything my kid does, I tell him, let him make his own decisions that he regrets at times but sometimes I have to step in and make sure he doesn't get hurt. It's my job as a parent. Lucas is doing the same thing.....he's let Will do his own thing, he's told him he doesn't like it but hasn't done much to stop him from doing it because he's his own person....but the game is about to change when Lucas believes Will is now working for a man that is about to get arrested for killing someone. Regardless of who that person is, yeah, Stefano was no great man, Lucas still has to be concerned for his son as he should be.
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Jul 4 2012, 10:30 AM
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Will won't be happy. This would be a cause for Lucas to lose his job. Would not be surprised if it's Will or Sami that fires him.
Will doesn't have a say in firing his father and if that happens its all angst... The more distance there is between lucas and Sami or Lucas and will the more I'm convinced that something is going to happen to Wilk to bring all 3 together in some form or fashion
They'd have to write for BD/Lucas for any of it to be angst. Maybe they will but everything right now on screen and bts points to the contrary. As you know....the story can go from nothing to something overnight. Bryan was very specific to Lucas' situation THIS SUMMER....not what is going to happen into the fall or anything else....I still have hope that there is a plan for him, or else they could have easily gotten rid of him as part of the big event with Jack, Ian and Madison.....or even written him off like Caustin, but they haven't. The new writers material just started being filmed virtually....we aren't even a month into it and since we keep hearing that Tomsell is really NOT in full control this time around, I have a smidgen of hope that things will get better.
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- Ali_James
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular.
Neither couple was popular at all. State had a little more support but clearly neither made much sense. Kate married and in love with the guy that tried to kill her son and roman doing the same with the woman that tried to kill his daughter. Roman and Kate were never popular at all.
I disagree. I only post at Soapcentral.com and Kate/Stefano + Roman/Kate are 2 very popular couples. Especially Stefano with Kate! - elci525
- Jul 3 2012, 09:58 PM
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- Jul 3 2012, 08:43 PM
The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Ok, I gotta say something here. I don't know how these spoilers play out, so I am not exactly positive all the reasons Lucas seeks counsel from Marlena and John, exactly what he says, exactly how its set up. But the spoilers I just read seem indicate he goes to Marlena and John for help with Will - not sure about this parenting Sami business. Is it that his going to Jarlena evidences he doesn't trust Sami to protect their son? Well, I am not sure why he doesn't go to Sami - maybe it's that he thinks she doesn't have sufficient distance from EJ or something (and, you know, he wouldn't be wrong). Or maybe he sees that what he and Sami have been trying to do to sway Will hasn't been working. Maybe it's that he knows how important Marlena is (or maybe was, now that EJ has taken the place of Will's other mentors) to Will, that she might have better insight as someone who might know adult Will better than Lucas does (since he hasn't been around, as so many are wont to point out). Or maybe it's also that she is a psychiatrist. And maybe John is just there and so gives his two cents or offers to lend his support (or maybe this is all just s/line contrivance to set up the John taking over DE thing). Who knows. Am I thrilled Lucas goes to Marlena and John? No - I wasn't elated when I read that. I would much rather Lucas not have to ask for advice so much - but I will cut him some slack b/c at least he is looking out for his son, and knows he, unfortunately, is no expert on Will 1) b/c he has been away; and 2) b/c he might perceive Will as acting in away that seems out of character (and, again in fairness, cocky/dark Will came on kinda quickly and suddenly). Please tell me why Lucas, as FATHER to Will, would be happy about his son hanging around EJ so much? Why on this planet would he be ok with that? Why wouldn't he think his son, for all the cocky confidence Will may start to exude, just might be in over his head, at least more than his new-found ego will let him believe? It's not to do so much with an "un-acceptance" of character flaws as it does with parental concern. Will is not a baby, but he is also not some adult who has it all figured out either. He is still young and impressionable and likely to make mistakes too huge to dig himself out of. It is one thing for Lucas to accept Will's darker sides, whatever that means. But Will isn't cluing him in; all Lucas sees is his son suddenly so involved with a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is bad news, and sort of Lucas's sworn enemy. If Lucas thought Will were scheming to take EJ down, I dunno - I think he might be concerned, but also sort of into it too. I would LOVE to see some Will and Lucas treachery. This would be another way to bring back scheming Lumi, or at least scheming Lucas, which is an element of the Lumi/Lumily dynamic I so crave to see again. But b/c I want it, I doubt it will happen. I agree Sami might not be happy to learn Lucas went to Marlena and John for anything, especially in the petulant state of childhood indignation and entitlement her character currently seems to be floundering in. Might create more Lumi angst than, frankly, I want to see. But I am not sure how that is any more a betrayal than EJ blackmailing Sami's son, holding any kind of a threat over Will's head, or any of the other numerous wrongs EJ has committed to endanger Sami's children. But all that makes him perfect for Sami, I guess. Ah the sexy forbidden-ess and effed-upness of it all - I can hardly stand it.
How is this creating LUMI angst? Sami practically forgives anything Lucas does. She didn't even hold it against him that he made her feel like Will wanted to get away from her in 07, when he sent Will away for a totally different reason, having nothing to do with Sami. Yet somehow, Lucas is her hero! She can get passed this, seing what she accepts from Lucas. As for Will, I don't blame Lucas for wanting Will away from E.J. Even if Lucas should realize that E.J. is not the problem and Will was acting out, going around shooting and blackmailing people LONG before he went to work for E.J. Yet, Lucas is completely oblivious to that, always treating Will as the victim and E.J. as the aggressor. When will he see his son for who he is? When Will is in jail, for a crime unrelated to his activities with E.J.? Lucas already excluded Sami from Will's life, when he shipped him off to Carrie and Austin, without even telling Sami what Will had done, that he shot someone. Then he comes back from HongKong and again, says nothing about Will shooting E.J. all those years ago or E.J. blackmailing Will to work for him. He told Sami that they'd help Will together and what does he do, he goes to John and Marlena. I seem to remember them being completely under Rafe and Carrie's spell, when they were kissing at the safehouse, like Sami didn't even matter. And now, Lucas is bringing them into Sami's life, like she has nothing to say on the matter. Marlena has known for months that Will was working for E.J., they know he is a suspect in Stefano's murder. What did she do to uncover the truth, what is going on with Will? Nothing. What can she do now? Will isn't listening to anyone. Lucas has no respect for Sami as a mother. And I hope she finally realizes it. I don't think Ej has any respect for her period...as a mother, a woman or anything else.....so yeah...I disagree that Lucas doesn't respect Sami as a mother. They aren't the perfect parents, no soap parents are.....
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Rafe yes. Lucas not so much. She chose Lucas but we also saw her clearly wanting EJ over Lucas at a certain point. We also saw both Lucas and Rafe telling us EJ was the man Sami loved. It's just not as cut and dry as what you stated.
We are talking about who she chose, she wanted both men IMHO she lusted after Ej but loved Lucas.....back in 2008....she clearly told Ej in the stairwell after Lucas officially dumped her that she would ALWAYS love Lucas and if he (Ej) was to start a relationship with her it was under those conditions....that was at the point that the triangle was the most evenly split....but she never CHOSE Ej over anyone and that still stands.
Yup. I know who she "chose". My point was that EJ didn't always come as a second choice to Lucas. It was evidenced in several ways and made clear she wanted EJ. Lucas knew that as well. That was my point. Well...I disagree, surprised? Not really right... ;) To me, she had a choice to make, it's not about who she wanted, or if she was conflicted or what not.....she could have easily chosen Ej, he offered himself on a silver platter, it was sooo easy for her, plus Nicole was moving in fast on her territory, something that Sami didn't appreciate. But instead of choosing EJ, she didn't....why not? Lucas already told her bye bye.....she really had no reason not to.....and this was before she even knew she got pregnant...so that didn't even factor in yet.
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I can't believe MarDar were dumb enough to do the same triangle from 2008. Did they really think anyone other then AS would like to see a dumpy woman child like Sami getting fought over for the 15687558 time by two attractive guys? If this show continues to do all it can to boost the Sween's ego then I sadly don't see it lasting much longer. :shame:
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We are talking about who she chose, she wanted both men IMHO she lusted after Ej but loved Lucas.....back in 2008....she clearly told Ej in the stairwell after Lucas officially dumped her that she would ALWAYS love Lucas and if he (Ej) was to start a relationship with her it was under those conditions....that was at the point that the triangle was the most evenly split....but she never CHOSE Ej over anyone and that still stands.
Yup. I know who she "chose". My point was that EJ didn't always come as a second choice to Lucas. It was evidenced in several ways and made clear she wanted EJ. Lucas knew that as well. That was my point.
Well...I disagree, surprised? Not really right... ;) To me, she had a choice to make, it's not about who she wanted, or if she was conflicted or what not.....she could have easily chosen Ej, he offered himself on a silver platter, it was sooo easy for her, plus Nicole was moving in fast on her territory, something that Sami didn't appreciate. But instead of choosing EJ, she didn't....why not? Lucas already told her bye bye.....she really had no reason not to.....and this was before she even knew she got pregnant...so that didn't even factor in yet. Lucas told her bye bye because she couldn't stay away from EJ. He said more than once that's who she loved and He didn't even know Sami fantasized she was kissing EJ and waking up with EJ instead of himself but we did. Why she didn't "choose" EJ is another discussion that would take this even further off topic. Suffice to say both Lucas and Rafe knew EJ was the guy in Sami's heart for a period despite the fact she never "chose" him.
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The fact that Lucas turns to Marlena & John for help goes to show that Lucas isn't the right guy for Sami. Marlena & John are 2 of Sami's "enemies"! If I was Sami, I would be so pissed! It's another example of Lucas trying to control Sami and be like a parent to her. No way would EJ ever turn to Marlena/John for help with Sami or Will! Plus EJ accepts Sami & Will for who they are, which includes their dark sides. Go EJ, Sami, & Will! :cheer:
Something tells me Sami might not be too happy about Lucas going to John.
That is only till she finds out wt EJ did to John. Sami might deem Jarlena her enemies today, and just like years ago that'll all change in a heartbeat.
Sami herself got John addicted to drugs. He was supporting Carrie and Rafe. I doubt she will care that E.J. framed him. Didn't she just go after her ennemy (Kate) like E.J. went after his ennemy, John? And E.J. got her out of it and didn't mind that she tried to bring his company down. They are finally writing Sami in character, with her acknowledging that E.J. would make the person who killed Stefano pay. She will blame E.J. for the end of her marriage. But she will eventually realize that Rafe falling for Carrie was inevitable and had nothing to do with what E.J. did or that E.J. didn't force her to sleep with her. Sami, E.J. and Will will work together to make sure that E.J. remains in charge of the business. And Sami will love going up against John and Marlena, especially since they will be telling her how to raise her kid...because their kids are such a parade of sunshine! Welcome back, Samantha Gene Brady :wub: ! - LuvingLumi
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular.
Because if he cared for will and/or Sami he would let him work for him without blackmailing him... It's really that simple. Someone that cares for someone doesn't blackmail them period.
Really? How many times have Sami and Lucas blackmailed each other? And isn't LUMI supposed to be some grand love according to some? To answer your last question....when Lumi did the majority of the stuff they did to one another they were hating each other, not in some deep love story...he didn't even claim to love her. Not the same with Ej and Sami....for all of 2006-2008 he was claiming to be madly in love with her while he was manipulating, scheming,blackmailing, lying and trying everything in his power to intentionally make her life miserable, to the point that he tried to kill some of her loved ones. Then there was a lull there in 2008 and it started again in 2009 throughout 2010....he even had Sami tell Johnny that she didn't love him....who the fuck does that? Anyway....so yeah.....After Lucas fell in love with Sami the hate melted and so did the blackmail, scheming and intentionally trying to hurt one another.....and yeah, they do have a great love story....I enjoy it very much.
On the John stuff....Do you really think that Sami is going to hate John forever? REALLY? Sami got to loving John after all that you mentioned she did to him in 2005.....she mourned his 'death' in 2007 more than Marlena did I think, lol. So to take what she did to him in 2005 without taking account how she felt after is sort of unrealistic IMHO...... Yes, I'm glad that the real Sami Gene Brady is back, because I have no doubt that just like she is friendly with Ej now after she hated him and wished him death, she will also be friendly to John and spit on Ej after she realizes what he did to him....it's a soap...the payoff has to happen somehow...Ej has to lose the office of mayor someway...and he'll lose Sami too if he ever gets her to begin with.
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Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.
Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame: What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem. Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on. Make it happen TomSell and company. I have always been a Lumi fan but I am sad to say that I 100% agree with your post. I am so sick of this constant merry go round of Sami and Rafe/EJ/Lucas triangles. Let Lucas get a story that does NOT revolve around these three and I will be a happy camper.
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With EJ and beast its "all about the kids," so to avoid child custody SL #9887 between them, yes, an agreement would make sense...but DAYS hasnt made sense since MarDar took over. So the months of EJole getting back together, working together on EJ's campaign and being happy didn't make sense either? That was all Mar Dar.
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That is only till she finds out wt EJ did to John. Sami might deem Jarlena her enemies today, and just like years ago that'll all change in a heartbeat.
Sami herself got John addicted to drugs. He was supporting Carrie and Rafe. I doubt she will care that E.J. framed him. Didn't she just go after her ennemy (Kate) like E.J. went after his ennemy, John? And E.J. got her out of it and didn't mind that she tried to bring his company down. They are finally writing Sami in character, with her acknowledging that E.J. would make the person who killed Stefano pay. She will blame E.J. for the end of her marriage. But she will eventually realize that Rafe falling for Carrie was inevitable and had nothing to do with what E.J. did or that E.J. didn't force her to sleep with her. Sami, E.J. and Will will work together to make sure that E.J. remains in charge of the business. And Sami will love going up against John and Marlena, especially since they will be telling her how to raise her kid...because their kids are such a parade of sunshine! Welcome back, Samantha Gene Brady :wub: ! - LuvingLumi
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Why are people only focusing on E.J. blackmailing Will? He also was there for him (by Will's own admission) when he was struggling with his sexuality. And he just helped Will prove his innocence in a murder case! Doesn't that count for something? Will himself WANTS to be close to E.J., why should Sami be mad at E.J.?
Roman dated the woman who sent his daughter to death row. Kate married a guy who put a hit on her son. And both couples were pretty popular.
Because if he cared for will and/or Sami he would let him work for him without blackmailing him... It's really that simple. Someone that cares for someone doesn't blackmail them period.
Really? How many times have Sami and Lucas blackmailed each other? And isn't LUMI supposed to be some grand love according to some?
To answer your last question....when Lumi did the majority of the stuff they did to one another they were hating each other, not in some deep love story...he didn't even claim to love her. Not the same with Ej and Sami....for all of 2006-2008 he was claiming to be madly in love with her while he was manipulating, scheming,blackmailing, lying and trying everything in his power to intentionally make her life miserable, to the point that he tried to kill some of her loved ones. Then there was a lull there in 2008 and it started again in 2009 throughout 2010....he even had Sami tell Johnny that she didn't love him....who the fuck does that? Anyway....so yeah.....After Lucas fell in love with Sami the hate melted and so did the blackmail, scheming and intentionally trying to hurt one another.....and yeah, they do have a great love story....I enjoy it very much. On the John stuff....Do you really think that Sami is going to hate John forever? REALLY? Sami got to loving John after all that you mentioned she did to him in 2005.....she mourned his 'death' in 2007 more than Marlena did I think, lol. So to take what she did to him in 2005 without taking account how she felt after is sort of unrealistic IMHO...... Yes, I'm glad that the real Sami Gene Brady is back, because I have no doubt that just like she is friendly with Ej now after she hated him and wished him death, she will also be friendly to John and spit on Ej after she realizes what he did to him....it's a soap...the payoff has to happen somehow...Ej has to lose the office of mayor someway...and he'll lose Sami too if he ever gets her to begin with. LL, do we really need to recount Lumi's history with Will and how they messed with his childhood all just to hurt each other? ;) This is not original to EJ and EJami.
Also Sami still schemed against and hurt Lucas as late as 2006. Lucas didn't but Sami did and people still wanted Lumi's together much like people still want EJami together.
I get it's all personal preference but trying to paint Lumi of all couples as morally superior to EJami is something I can't understand. Maybe if it was John & Marlena I'd be at more of a loss but Lumi?
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Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.
Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame: What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem. Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on. Make it happen TomSell and company.
I have always been a Lumi fan but I am sad to say that I 100% agree with your post. I am so sick of this constant merry go round of Sami and Rafe/EJ/Lucas triangles. Let Lucas get a story that does NOT revolve around these three and I will be a happy camper. I have to say I agree too. Don't got me wrong. I would sooner ask someone to slowly and painfully tweeze my eyelashes off while someone else inflicts small paper cuts on all my fingers whilst in an oppressively hot room, suffering from an intractable itch in my left foot I cannot scratch, while being made to watch Twilight films on a never-ending loop, than to say I want to see Ejami. But I don't want to see Lucas wrapped up in this nonsense, again, nor do I want to see the never-ending cycles of triangles. I have liked Sami well enough (not so much lately, but ok), but I am not sure why she merits all this attention. It's sort of devastating really, to say I want to see my absolute favorite thing about Days be put on the back burner for now.
But no one deny the strength of my shipping - b/c I am never letting go of them. Lumi is obviously not going to be reinvigorated with any kind of passion or excitement unless they don't happen right now, so that one or or the both of them starts to show regret, jealousy, unquenchable longing and curiosity, etc. Let Ejami happen, so that I don;t have to hear the "they never got a real chance" thing again. Or that Sami and EJ are meant to be b/c Sami is always denying her feelings for him, so he is clearly A#1 in her heart. Clearly. So let them get together. And then let's see what happens. Let's see how long before Sami can't stop thinking about someone else. Let's see how long before her feelings go unacknowledged (or un-reacknowledged) for someone else, and she imagines another man when she is with EJ. Let's see what happens when this long unspoken desire is finally realized, and it doesn't move mountains or cause tsunamis.
Or it may be be everything people think it will be. But I would rather the "not knowing" be put to rest. Sami might be told by both Rafe and Lucas that she has unresolved feeling for EJ, so let her resolve them, and then let's see what happens.
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