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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,726 Views)
Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

MarDar didn't throw Lucas under any bus. DH or whoever was writing the show in 07 until he left did that.

I know many people will disagree, but Lucas/LUMI have had nothing to do since E.J. joined the show. Half the time in 07, Lucas didn't even know what was going on and half of Sami or E.J.'s scenes that year, were with each other. Then Sami married E.J. Lucas went away and EJami were raising their kid as well as Lucas' daughter. And LUMI hasn't been the same since.

DH sent Lucas away and got us the most boring character ever. Now Lucas is back and they can't even use him in his son's SL. And James Scott is being praised by most soap media for E.J.'s relationship with Will. I don't think that will end any time soon.

DH was the one who did Lucas wrong, not MarDar.
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Jul 4 2012, 11:32 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 08:54 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 07:40 AM
Lucas's entire story or any scenes he's given revolve around EJ. Lucas's sole purpose of airtime is EJ related. To lecture Will about EJ. To run to John&Marlena about EJ. To lecture and order Sami away from EJ. To fight with EJ.

Does Lucas have any conversation or scene that is not about EJ?
And IMHO, this is the major problem with Days and has been for several years-- too much airtime and story domination by one (or 2) character. I won't go into detail because it would make this post more "If I ran the show," so I'll simply say that I feel bad for Lucas, and I'm not even a big Lucas fan. MarDar threw him under the Ejami bus as usual with little or no regard, and that is sad. A man trying to protect his son is now being protrayed as being wrong. :shame:

What I hope with TomSell is that once and for all, they leave this duo together (Ejami) so that all the other merry-go-round passengers, i.e., Nicole, Rafe, Lucas, and viewers can finally get off and move on with the days of their/our lives. Eric is already coming, so there's my hope for Niki; TPTB should look for McKenzie Westmore to portray Rafe's lost love (though it wouldn't pain me too much if he left); and Autumn needs to be cast if Lucas is staying in Salem.

Too many years and viewers' time have been wasted on this messy geometrical group and it's time to move on.

Make it happen TomSell and company.
I have always been a Lumi fan but I am sad to say that I 100% agree with your post. I am so sick of this constant merry go round of Sami and Rafe/EJ/Lucas triangles. Let Lucas get a story that does NOT revolve around these three and I will be a happy camper.
I have to say I agree too. Don't got me wrong. I would sooner ask someone to slowly and painfully tweeze my eyelashes off while someone else inflicts small paper cuts on all my fingers whilst in an oppressively hot room, suffering from an intractable itch in my left foot I cannot scratch, while being made to watch Twilight films on a never-ending loop, than to say I want to see Ejami.
:laugh: Of course while I am at the complete opposite and would insert "Lumi" or "Safe" or "EJaylor" in place of "EJami", by far the best post of the day right here. Well done. :hail:
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Jul 4 2012, 11:38 AM
MarDar didn't throw Lucas under any bus. DH or whoever was writing the show in 07 until he left did that.

I know many people will disagree, but Lucas/LUMI have had nothing to do since E.J. joined the show. Half the time in 07, Lucas didn't even know what was going on and half of Sami or E.J.'s scenes that year, were with each other. Then Sami married E.J. Lucas went away and EJami were raising their kid as well as Lucas' daughter. And LUMI hasn't been the same since.

DH sent Lucas away and got us the most boring character ever. Now Lucas is back and they can't even use him in his son's SL. And James Scott is being praised by most soap media for E.J.'s relationship with Will. I don't think that will end any time soon.

DH was the one who did Lucas wrong, not MarDar.
Actually, I think Sheffer began with that and his dialogue writers. They gave EJ some real zingers against Lucas and seemed like the dialogue was often in EJ's favor in scenes with the two. What the dialogue didn't give, JS made up for with his acting choices. There is a specific scene of Lucas and Chloe's engagement party at the Kiriakis mansion where JS got a good one over BD and you could tell BD got pissed and could barely stay in character. DH continued with this for sure.

I do have to say I'm surprised though on how they brought Lucas back this time. They had a chance to do something different, and while I can see efforts on BD's part initially to not fall into the same traps as before, it's basically back to right where he left off. I think as long as they want Lucas firmly entrenched in the 'hero' and 'good guy' camp, he really is going to flounder. I thought MarDar may give him something in story to give him a bit of an edge, but it was clear they brought him back as the 'hero' and had no intentions of changing that. It remains to be seen what the new regime intends to do, but I'm guessing with Rafe still on the canvas, along with EJ and soon to be GV as Eric Brady, I'd be surprised if the character of Lucas gets alot of focus. Who knows because they can if they want but as of now, I just don't see it happening. I don't think BD does either.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

Why not give Lucas a SL with the Hortons? He is one of them, right?
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Jul 4 2012, 11:10 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 05:07 AM
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Jul 3 2012, 09:41 PM

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Sami herself got John addicted to drugs. He was supporting Carrie and Rafe. I doubt she will care that E.J. framed him. Didn't she just go after her ennemy (Kate) like E.J. went after his ennemy, John? And E.J. got her out of it and didn't mind that she tried to bring his company down.

They are finally writing Sami in character, with her acknowledging that E.J. would make the person who killed Stefano pay. She will blame E.J. for the end of her marriage. But she will eventually realize that Rafe falling for Carrie was inevitable and had nothing to do with what E.J. did or that E.J. didn't force her to sleep with her. Sami, E.J. and Will will work together to make sure that E.J. remains in charge of the business. And Sami will love going up against John and Marlena, especially since they will be telling her how to raise her kid...because their kids are such a parade of sunshine!

Welcome back, Samantha Gene Brady :wub: !

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Jul 3 2012, 09:51 PM

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Really? How many times have Sami and Lucas blackmailed each other? And isn't LUMI supposed to be some grand love according to some?
To answer your last question....when Lumi did the majority of the stuff they did to one another they were hating each other, not in some deep love story...he didn't even claim to love her. Not the same with Ej and Sami....for all of 2006-2008 he was claiming to be madly in love with her while he was manipulating, scheming,blackmailing, lying and trying everything in his power to intentionally make her life miserable, to the point that he tried to kill some of her loved ones. Then there was a lull there in 2008 and it started again in 2009 throughout 2010....he even had Sami tell Johnny that she didn't love him....who the fuck does that? Anyway....so yeah.....After Lucas fell in love with Sami the hate melted and so did the blackmail, scheming and intentionally trying to hurt one another.....and yeah, they do have a great love story....I enjoy it very much.

On the John stuff....Do you really think that Sami is going to hate John forever? REALLY?
Sami got to loving John after all that you mentioned she did to him in 2005.....she mourned his 'death' in 2007 more than Marlena did I think, lol. So to take what she did to him in 2005 without taking account how she felt after is sort of unrealistic IMHO...... Yes, I'm glad that the real Sami Gene Brady is back, because I have no doubt that just like she is friendly with Ej now after she hated him and wished him death, she will also be friendly to John and spit on Ej after she realizes what he did to him....it's a soap...the payoff has to happen somehow...Ej has to lose the office of mayor someway...and he'll lose Sami too if he ever gets her to begin with.



LL, do we really need to recount Lumi's history with Will and how they messed with his childhood all just to hurt each other? ;) This is not original to EJ and EJami.

Also Sami still schemed against and hurt Lucas as late as 2006. Lucas didn't but Sami did and people still wanted Lumi's together much like people still want EJami together.

I get it's all personal preference but trying to paint Lumi of all couples as morally superior to EJami is something I can't understand. Maybe if it was John & Marlena I'd be at more of a loss but Lumi?
I have never painted Lumi morally superior to any other couple. I've actually said in the past that if you exclude the rape, both couples are very similar. But I still hold out that Lumi have an edge over Ejami because they intentionally haven't tried to kill/hurt/blackmail/scheme one another since then. Operative word being intentionally. Even during their WORSE years....Lucas would always be roped into his mother's plan to screw over Sami but he had his limits and he regretted, felt guilty, stopped himself at times, and even stopped the scheme at other times. I see none of that with Ej these past few years. As you said, Lucas stopped altogether his hate for Sami and he also stopped the targeting, but I wouldn't say Sami continued to intentionally want to hurt Lucas after they fell in love. Even in 2006, I'm assuming you are talking about the Lexie blackmail and all that which roped Lucas in with his good sperm for Carrie...but you have to realize although she knew what she was doing she also thought that Lucas truly was happy with Carrie and wanted to have children with her. It helped that she found out what Lexie had done to Abe. IF anything the one she was hurting intentionally was Carrie and even Austin, but Lucas was collateral as far as she could tell he was fine with Carrie and happy. Sami already fell in love with her worse enemy, there is no story in trying to repeat it again in 2012 only because she has an itch that she needs to scratch with Ej.
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Jul 4 2012, 08:51 AM
With EJ and beast its "all about the kids," so to avoid child custody SL #9887 between them, yes, an agreement would make sense...but DAYS hasnt made sense since MarDar took over.
So the months of EJole getting back together, working together on EJ's campaign and being happy didn't make sense either? That was all Mar Dar.
Well to be fair, EJole tickle fighted their way into the shitcan of happiness during their regime, so that certainly didn't make sense to me.
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I have always been a Lumi fan but I am sad to say that I 100% agree with your post. I am so sick of this constant merry go round of Sami and Rafe/EJ/Lucas triangles. Let Lucas get a story that does NOT revolve around these three and I will be a happy camper.
I have to say I agree too. Don't got me wrong. I would sooner ask someone to slowly and painfully tweeze my eyelashes off while someone else inflicts small paper cuts on all my fingers whilst in an oppressively hot room, suffering from an intractable itch in my left foot I cannot scratch, while being made to watch Twilight films on a never-ending loop, than to say I want to see Ejami.
:laugh: Of course while I am at the complete opposite and would insert "Lumi" or "Safe" or "EJaylor" in place of "EJami", by far the best post of the day right here. Well done. :hail:
She is willing to go through such torture holy cow...now that is truly dedication...lol

I have long said that I would watch ANY story with Lucas and someone else. Shit I watched Nicole/Lucas, Lucas/Carrie and finally the straw that broke the camel's back was Lucas/Chloe. Goodness no mater what BD did, he just couldn't get the deer in headlights to do anything....I hated that story.....but I also hate the fact that they can never have ANYONE but Sami fall in love with him deeply....why is that? It's been years too, it's not a thing over 5 years, or over 10 years...fucking 19 years and no wonder so many people fell in love with Lumi because we finally saw someone love Lucas regardless of what he did, who he was....sounds familiar? YEAH...you get it right?
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Jul 4 2012, 11:10 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 05:07 AM

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To answer your last question....when Lumi did the majority of the stuff they did to one another they were hating each other, not in some deep love story...he didn't even claim to love her. Not the same with Ej and Sami....for all of 2006-2008 he was claiming to be madly in love with her while he was manipulating, scheming,blackmailing, lying and trying everything in his power to intentionally make her life miserable, to the point that he tried to kill some of her loved ones. Then there was a lull there in 2008 and it started again in 2009 throughout 2010....he even had Sami tell Johnny that she didn't love him....who the fuck does that? Anyway....so yeah.....After Lucas fell in love with Sami the hate melted and so did the blackmail, scheming and intentionally trying to hurt one another.....and yeah, they do have a great love story....I enjoy it very much.

On the John stuff....Do you really think that Sami is going to hate John forever? REALLY?
Sami got to loving John after all that you mentioned she did to him in 2005.....she mourned his 'death' in 2007 more than Marlena did I think, lol. So to take what she did to him in 2005 without taking account how she felt after is sort of unrealistic IMHO...... Yes, I'm glad that the real Sami Gene Brady is back, because I have no doubt that just like she is friendly with Ej now after she hated him and wished him death, she will also be friendly to John and spit on Ej after she realizes what he did to him....it's a soap...the payoff has to happen somehow...Ej has to lose the office of mayor someway...and he'll lose Sami too if he ever gets her to begin with.



LL, do we really need to recount Lumi's history with Will and how they messed with his childhood all just to hurt each other? ;) This is not original to EJ and EJami.

Also Sami still schemed against and hurt Lucas as late as 2006. Lucas didn't but Sami did and people still wanted Lumi's together much like people still want EJami together.

I get it's all personal preference but trying to paint Lumi of all couples as morally superior to EJami is something I can't understand. Maybe if it was John & Marlena I'd be at more of a loss but Lumi?
I have never painted Lumi morally superior to any other couple. I've actually said in the past that if you exclude the rape, both couples are very similar. But I still hold out that Lumi have an edge over Ejami because they intentionally haven't tried to kill/hurt/blackmail/scheme one another since then. Operative word being intentionally. Even during their WORSE years....Lucas would always be roped into his mother's plan to screw over Sami but he had his limits and he regretted, felt guilty, stopped himself at times, and even stopped the scheme at other times. I see none of that with Ej these past few years. As you said, Lucas stopped altogether his hate for Sami and he also stopped the targeting, but I wouldn't say Sami continued to intentionally want to hurt Lucas after they fell in love. Even in 2006, I'm assuming you are talking about the Lexie blackmail and all that which roped Lucas in with his good sperm for Carrie...but you have to realize although she knew what she was doing she also thought that Lucas truly was happy with Carrie and wanted to have children with her. It helped that she found out what Lexie had done to Abe. IF anything the one she was hurting intentionally was Carrie and even Austin, but Lucas was collateral as far as she could tell he was fine with Carrie and happy. Sami already fell in love with her worse enemy, there is no story in trying to repeat it again in 2012 only because she has an itch that she needs to scratch with Ej.
I happen to think it's all about personal preference and talking about an "edge" when it comes to Lumi and EJami's transgressions is really just splitting hairs. If someone likes Lumi or EJami, they're obviously liking them regardless. Saying Lumi is better because of this........isn't going to matter to an EJami. If the writing against them hasn't already gotten me off their ship, I can't imagine much will. We like who we like. Plain and simple.

Your interpretation of the events and the way you justify that it was better than EJami is just that, your interpretation. It's obviously going to differ from mine, even from what you just typed about the 2006 scenario.

I watched all of Lumi play out as well as EJami. I would never say EJami is a repeat of Lumi. Not by a longshot. EJami is so much better for me for many reasons. I've never loved a soap couple more. I don't even think of the two as similar except maybe with the damage they've done to their kids, but then this is a soap and Lumi and EJami aren't even in an exclusive club when it comes to that so.........
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Jul 4 2012, 10:55 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 08:51 AM
With EJ and beast its "all about the kids," so to avoid child custody SL #9887 between them, yes, an agreement would make sense...but DAYS hasnt made sense since MarDar took over.
So the months of EJole getting back together, working together on EJ's campaign and being happy didn't make sense either? That was all Mar Dar.
Well to be fair, EJole tickle fighted their way into the shitcan of happiness during their regime, so that certainly didn't make sense to me.
Duly noted. In the interest of full disclosure, I too cried 'foul' on all the tickle fights. If I took away nothing else from that period, I did learn JS is very ticklish.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

Yes, I believe that Sami will hate John forever. Really. She doesn't even interact with them! And now that John wants control of DiMera Enterprises, Sami will fight him to keep her position.

And even if she makes peace with him eventually, it doesn't mean that she will hate E.J. for framing John. What Sami does to her ennemies is no different than what E.J. does to his. So E.J. framed John...big deal. He also did worse to him and Marlena forgave him!
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Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 11:38 AM
MarDar didn't throw Lucas under any bus. DH or whoever was writing the show in 07 until he left did that.

I know many people will disagree, but Lucas/LUMI have had nothing to do since E.J. joined the show. Half the time in 07, Lucas didn't even know what was going on and half of Sami or E.J.'s scenes that year, were with each other. Then Sami married E.J. Lucas went away and EJami were raising their kid as well as Lucas' daughter. And LUMI hasn't been the same since.

DH sent Lucas away and got us the most boring character ever. Now Lucas is back and they can't even use him in his son's SL. And James Scott is being praised by most soap media for E.J.'s relationship with Will. I don't think that will end any time soon.

DH was the one who did Lucas wrong, not MarDar.
I think it was more Tomlin than DH. Before Tomlin came on, DH gave Lucas an option....it was Chloe, albeit an awful one but Chloe seemed that she would be on her way to falling for Lucas. Then Tomlin came and soon after we got the first grope/feel from Dr. Orange and all of a sudden she was smitten with him, Lucas who? Before that Sheffer gave Lumi some pretty amazing dialogue, some pretty amazing scenes and some good progression in their story. So it wasn't all bad for Lumi, and sure some of the story had Lucas in hte dark, but it's a soap so that has to happen from time to time to advance story....just like Ej became the village idiot in 2008/09 with the rubber belly...same deal. Lumi were still getting the root couple writing through all of 2007, and sure Ej and Sami shared the majority of their scenes with one another, but so did Lucas and Sami.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

spartan
Jul 4 2012, 12:11 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 4 2012, 11:55 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 11:10 AM
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Jul 4 2012, 10:47 AM

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LL, do we really need to recount Lumi's history with Will and how they messed with his childhood all just to hurt each other? ;) This is not original to EJ and EJami.

Also Sami still schemed against and hurt Lucas as late as 2006. Lucas didn't but Sami did and people still wanted Lumi's together much like people still want EJami together.

I get it's all personal preference but trying to paint Lumi of all couples as morally superior to EJami is something I can't understand. Maybe if it was John & Marlena I'd be at more of a loss but Lumi?
I have never painted Lumi morally superior to any other couple. I've actually said in the past that if you exclude the rape, both couples are very similar. But I still hold out that Lumi have an edge over Ejami because they intentionally haven't tried to kill/hurt/blackmail/scheme one another since then. Operative word being intentionally. Even during their WORSE years....Lucas would always be roped into his mother's plan to screw over Sami but he had his limits and he regretted, felt guilty, stopped himself at times, and even stopped the scheme at other times. I see none of that with Ej these past few years. As you said, Lucas stopped altogether his hate for Sami and he also stopped the targeting, but I wouldn't say Sami continued to intentionally want to hurt Lucas after they fell in love. Even in 2006, I'm assuming you are talking about the Lexie blackmail and all that which roped Lucas in with his good sperm for Carrie...but you have to realize although she knew what she was doing she also thought that Lucas truly was happy with Carrie and wanted to have children with her. It helped that she found out what Lexie had done to Abe. IF anything the one she was hurting intentionally was Carrie and even Austin, but Lucas was collateral as far as she could tell he was fine with Carrie and happy. Sami already fell in love with her worse enemy, there is no story in trying to repeat it again in 2012 only because she has an itch that she needs to scratch with Ej.
I happen to think it's all about personal preference and talking about an "edge" when it comes to Lumi and EJami's transgressions is really just splitting hairs. If someone likes Lumi or EJami, they're obviously liking them regardless. Saying Lumi is better because of this........isn't going to matter to an EJami. If the writing against them hasn't already gotten me off their ship, I can't imagine much will. We like who we like. Plain and simple.

Your interpretation of the events and the way you justify that it was better than EJami is just that, your interpretation. It's obviously going to differ from mine, even from what you just typed about the 2006 scenario.

I watched all of Lumi play out as well as EJami. I would never say EJami is a repeat of Lumi. Not by a longshot. EJami is so much better for me for many reasons. I've never loved a soap couple more. I don't even think of the two as similar except maybe with the damage they've done to their kids, but then this is a soap and Lumi and EJami aren't even in an exclusive club when it comes to that so.........


I agree. EJami is so much better than LUMI :wub: , in my opinion. James and Ali are pure gold, especially together!
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I have to say I agree too. Don't got me wrong. I would sooner ask someone to slowly and painfully tweeze my eyelashes off while someone else inflicts small paper cuts on all my fingers whilst in an oppressively hot room, suffering from an intractable itch in my left foot I cannot scratch, while being made to watch Twilight films on a never-ending loop, than to say I want to see Ejami.
:laugh: Of course while I am at the complete opposite and would insert "Lumi" or "Safe" or "EJaylor" in place of "EJami", by far the best post of the day right here. Well done. :hail:
She is willing to go through such torture holy cow...now that is truly dedication...lol

I have long said that I would watch ANY story with Lucas and someone else. Shit I watched Nicole/Lucas, Lucas/Carrie and finally the straw that broke the camel's back was Lucas/Chloe. Goodness no mater what BD did, he just couldn't get the deer in headlights to do anything....I hated that story.....but I also hate the fact that they can never have ANYONE but Sami fall in love with him deeply....why is that? It's been years too, it's not a thing over 5 years, or over 10 years...fucking 19 years and no wonder so many people fell in love with Lumi because we finally saw someone love Lucas regardless of what he did, who he was....sounds familiar? YEAH...you get it right?
Of course I get it. LOL at 'deer in headlights'. I soooo agree with that one. He did try. I love NB and she is perhaps the most gorgeous woman I have ever met, but not a fan of her acting......at all. Although for some reason, Danloe worked for me, and the end of her run when they were teasing Broe had me intrigued. Go figure.
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

LuvingLumi
Jul 4 2012, 12:16 PM
Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 11:38 AM
MarDar didn't throw Lucas under any bus. DH or whoever was writing the show in 07 until he left did that.

I know many people will disagree, but Lucas/LUMI have had nothing to do since E.J. joined the show. Half the time in 07, Lucas didn't even know what was going on and half of Sami or E.J.'s scenes that year, were with each other. Then Sami married E.J. Lucas went away and EJami were raising their kid as well as Lucas' daughter. And LUMI hasn't been the same since.

DH sent Lucas away and got us the most boring character ever. Now Lucas is back and they can't even use him in his son's SL. And James Scott is being praised by most soap media for E.J.'s relationship with Will. I don't think that will end any time soon.

DH was the one who did Lucas wrong, not MarDar.
I think it was more Tomlin than DH. Before Tomlin came on, DH gave Lucas an option....it was Chloe, albeit an awful one but Chloe seemed that she would be on her way to falling for Lucas. Then Tomlin came and soon after we got the first grope/feel from Dr. Orange and all of a sudden she was smitten with him, Lucas who? Before that Sheffer gave Lumi some pretty amazing dialogue, some pretty amazing scenes and some good progression in their story. So it wasn't all bad for Lumi, and sure some of the story had Lucas in hte dark, but it's a soap so that has to happen from time to time to advance story....just like Ej became the village idiot in 2008/09 with the rubber belly...same deal. Lumi were still getting the root couple writing through all of 2007, and sure Ej and Sami shared the majority of their scenes with one another, but so did Lucas and Sami.


Whoever it was, they did lucas wrong long before MarDar came to DAYS. If Lucas can't even be in a SL with his son, helping him, then something is wrong. They don't seem interested in the character. And would rather focus on the likes of Rafe!

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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 12:15 PM
Yes, I believe that Sami will hate John forever. Really. She doesn't even interact with them! And now that John wants control of DiMera Enterprises, Sami will fight him to keep her position.

And even if she makes peace with him eventually, it doesn't mean that she will hate E.J. for framing John. What Sami does to her ennemies is no different than what E.J. does to his. So E.J. framed John...big deal. He also did worse to him and Marlena forgave him!
But the point of my post was that she has not hated John forever. So there is a chance that she will hate the person who framed him for that considering she blames 'JOhn's case' for Carrie and Rafe getting closer...which she still puts blame on how her relationship with Rafe ended.

Anyway...nothing is a guarantee, so that is why it's puzzling to me that you would talk in such absolutes....history proves that anything is possible on a soap....and it's not actually something that she hasn't done before.
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Hooded figure/mysterious person = Kristen!

Setting EJ up for the fall.
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Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 12:24 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 4 2012, 12:16 PM
Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 11:38 AM
MarDar didn't throw Lucas under any bus. DH or whoever was writing the show in 07 until he left did that.

I know many people will disagree, but Lucas/LUMI have had nothing to do since E.J. joined the show. Half the time in 07, Lucas didn't even know what was going on and half of Sami or E.J.'s scenes that year, were with each other. Then Sami married E.J. Lucas went away and EJami were raising their kid as well as Lucas' daughter. And LUMI hasn't been the same since.

DH sent Lucas away and got us the most boring character ever. Now Lucas is back and they can't even use him in his son's SL. And James Scott is being praised by most soap media for E.J.'s relationship with Will. I don't think that will end any time soon.

DH was the one who did Lucas wrong, not MarDar.
I think it was more Tomlin than DH. Before Tomlin came on, DH gave Lucas an option....it was Chloe, albeit an awful one but Chloe seemed that she would be on her way to falling for Lucas. Then Tomlin came and soon after we got the first grope/feel from Dr. Orange and all of a sudden she was smitten with him, Lucas who? Before that Sheffer gave Lumi some pretty amazing dialogue, some pretty amazing scenes and some good progression in their story. So it wasn't all bad for Lumi, and sure some of the story had Lucas in hte dark, but it's a soap so that has to happen from time to time to advance story....just like Ej became the village idiot in 2008/09 with the rubber belly...same deal. Lumi were still getting the root couple writing through all of 2007, and sure Ej and Sami shared the majority of their scenes with one another, but so did Lucas and Sami.


Whoever it was, they did lucas wrong long before MarDar came to DAYS. If Lucas can't even be in a SL with his son, helping him, then something is wrong. They don't seem interested in the character. And would rather focus on the likes of Rafe!

I am not sure what the splitting hairs here is about. Whether it was Tomlin, DH, MarDar, Lucas has gotten crap writing for awhile, and being that he is one of the last remaining Horton on the show, I think that should not be. I have to see him be an odd man out again, I mean, c'mon, I am a fan and it hurts. And I firmly believe he works best with Sami and vice versa, so I want them together.

And for the record (like it's any surprise), I think Lumi are soooo much better than Ejami :wub: :wub: , Bry and Ali are magic together, and I have never, ever been more enamored of or compelled by a soap opera couple before. I mean, crikey, I have basically written a novel with all my posts about them! I wonder if any MA board would accept a Lumi character study as an appropriate literature thesis topic.....

But if they are not to be, then my love for Lucas trumps my love for anything Sami does, and I want to see him in another, viable s/line.

MarDar "wronged" him in that he came back during their regime (whether it was their choice or not) and his s/line seems to be about propping Ejami. Again or whatever. They weren't the first to throw him under the bus, but that is not to say they didn't do some shafting as well. Can you imagine how happy I was to have BD back, and still am, just to see this AGAIN??!! Not that it wasn't a complete surprise, but there was potential to start something new, and it wasn't explored, And MarDar did that.

It doesn't matter at this point I hope for the best, expect the worst, and have my remote right here, off button at the ready.
Edited by elci525, Jul 4 2012, 01:41 PM.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

LuvingLumi
Jul 4 2012, 12:29 PM
Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 12:15 PM
Yes, I believe that Sami will hate John forever. Really. She doesn't even interact with them! And now that John wants control of DiMera Enterprises, Sami will fight him to keep her position.

And even if she makes peace with him eventually, it doesn't mean that she will hate E.J. for framing John. What Sami does to her ennemies is no different than what E.J. does to his. So E.J. framed John...big deal. He also did worse to him and Marlena forgave him!
But the point of my post was that she has not hated John forever. So there is a chance that she will hate the person who framed him for that considering she blames 'JOhn's case' for Carrie and Rafe getting closer...which she still puts blame on how her relationship with Rafe ended.

Anyway...nothing is a guarantee, so that is why it's puzzling to me that you would talk in such absolutes....history proves that anything is possible on a soap....and it's not actually something that she hasn't done before.


I am talking in absolutes?! You sound so sure that Sami and John will be BFF! Llet's just agree to disagree, since I am not worried about E.J. framing John at all.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

Mitchapalooza
Jul 4 2012, 12:31 PM
Hooded figure/mysterious person = Kristen!

Setting EJ up for the fall.


What would her motive be? She wants the business?
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

elci525
Jul 4 2012, 12:34 PM
Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 12:24 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 4 2012, 12:16 PM
Ali_James
Jul 4 2012, 11:38 AM
MarDar didn't throw Lucas under any bus. DH or whoever was writing the show in 07 until he left did that.

I know many people will disagree, but Lucas/LUMI have had nothing to do since E.J. joined the show. Half the time in 07, Lucas didn't even know what was going on and half of Sami or E.J.'s scenes that year, were with each other. Then Sami married E.J. Lucas went away and EJami were raising their kid as well as Lucas' daughter. And LUMI hasn't been the same since.

DH sent Lucas away and got us the most boring character ever. Now Lucas is back and they can't even use him in his son's SL. And James Scott is being praised by most soap media for E.J.'s relationship with Will. I don't think that will end any time soon.

DH was the one who did Lucas wrong, not MarDar.
I think it was more Tomlin than DH. Before Tomlin came on, DH gave Lucas an option....it was Chloe, albeit an awful one but Chloe seemed that she would be on her way to falling for Lucas. Then Tomlin came and soon after we got the first grope/feel from Dr. Orange and all of a sudden she was smitten with him, Lucas who? Before that Sheffer gave Lumi some pretty amazing dialogue, some pretty amazing scenes and some good progression in their story. So it wasn't all bad for Lumi, and sure some of the story had Lucas in hte dark, but it's a soap so that has to happen from time to time to advance story....just like Ej became the village idiot in 2008/09 with the rubber belly...same deal. Lumi were still getting the root couple writing through all of 2007, and sure Ej and Sami shared the majority of their scenes with one another, but so did Lucas and Sami.


Whoever it was, they did lucas wrong long before MarDar came to DAYS. If Lucas can't even be in a SL with his son, helping him, then something is wrong. They don't seem interested in the character. And would rather focus on the likes of Rafe!

I am not sure what the splitting hairs here is about. Whether it was Tomlin DH, Lucas has gotten crap writing for awhile, and being that he is one of the last remaining Horton on the show, I think that should not be. I have to see him be an odd man out again, I mean, c'mon, I am a fan and it hurts. And I firmly believe he works best with Sami and vice versa, so I want them together.

And for the record (like it's any surprise), I think Lumi are better than Ejami :wub: :wub: and I have never, ever been more enamored of or compelled by a soap opera couple before.

But if they are not to be, than my love for Lucas trumps my love for anything Sami does, and I want to see him in another, viable s/line.

MarDar "wronged" him in that he came back during their regime (whether it was their choice or not) and his s/line seems to be about propping Ejami. Again or whatever. They weren't the first to throw him under the bus, but that is not to say they didn't do some shafting as well. Can you imagine how happy I was to have BD back, and still am, just to see this AGAIN??!! Not that it was a total surprise, but there was potential to start something new, and it wasn't explored, And MarDar did that.

It doesn't matter at this point I hope for the best, expect the worst, and have my remote right, off button at the ready.


The only thing "new" that DAYS has done is E.J. and Will. Everything else is a repeat!
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