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While they haven't sat down and talked specifically about any of it, they haven't forgotten it. EJ just brought up Sami's shooting the other day to Will. EJ and Sami together joke about how everything will be 'safer' for everyone within a 30 mile radius if they just stay apart from one another. There's been other examples. They joke but it is acknowledged. They don't forget.
Alan should come back to town and joke about his raping her and her shOoting him and his trying to kill her and Carrie. Good times. Good times. Cause Sami always find humor in that stuff. So in character.... :sarcasm:
Or why not talk about Fafe raping her and have a good laugh like EJ did when he called him? Good times. Please..nothing is EVER talked about with EJ and Sami...laughing about is not talking through what they have done to each other...they are a joke. Maybe EJ decided to use laughter to gloss over the heavy stuff for awhile since it worked so well when he tried it on Nicole.
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Real or fake, all I know is that if Days is going to keep playing couple-go-round, I'm going to take my ride if or when the time comes. Couples that I assume are more 'real' to you like jarlena and bope weren't shipped off to the backburner where they stayed until it was time for them to break up, either.
No, but that's where they are now with the current writers and where I expect them to be the recycled ones.
Yea, now. Because they're (TV) old. They did the same thing with Chad and Melanie, though. And really, Bradison basically disappeared once Ian gave his blessing. The only exceptions seem to be Ejole and Safe.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:17 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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While they haven't sat down and talked specifically about any of it, they haven't forgotten it. EJ just brought up Sami's shooting the other day to Will. EJ and Sami together joke about how everything will be 'safer' for everyone within a 30 mile radius if they just stay apart from one another. There's been other examples. They joke but it is acknowledged. They don't forget.
Alan should come back to town and joke about his raping her and her shOoting him and his trying to kill her and Carrie. Good times. Good times. Cause Sami always find humor in that stuff. So in character.... :sarcasm:
Or why not talk about Fafe raping her and have a good laugh like EJ did when he called him? Good times. Please..nothing is EVER talked about with EJ and Sami...laughing about is not talking through what they have done to each other...they are a joke. Ejami has discussed things many times before, don't see them glossing over anything. I guess I must have missed the times they ignored things, they bascially scream at each other for things they done. anywho :shrug:
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Jul 6 2012, 10:31 AM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
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Jul 6 2012, 10:38 AM
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Alan should come back to town and joke about his raping her and her shOoting him and his trying to kill her and Carrie. Good times. Good times. Cause Sami always find humor in that stuff. So in character.... :sarcasm:
Or why not talk about Fafe raping her and have a good laugh like EJ did when he called him? Good times. Please..nothing is EVER talked about with EJ and Sami...laughing about is not talking through what they have done to each other...they are a joke.
Maybe EJ decided to use laughter to gloss over the heavy stuff for awhile since it worked so well when he tried it on Nicole. Sooo glad I continued reading before responding. I was going to post more about what EJ and Sami have done or haven't done but, naaaaah.......
This will suffice. :rockon:
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Jul 6 2012, 10:39 AM
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why. Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me.
Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon:
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Jul 6 2012, 10:44 AM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Alan should come back to town and joke about his raping her and her shOoting him and his trying to kill her and Carrie. Good times. Good times. Cause Sami always find humor in that stuff. So in character.... :sarcasm:
Or why not talk about Fafe raping her and have a good laugh like EJ did when he called him? Good times. Please..nothing is EVER talked about with EJ and Sami...laughing about is not talking through what they have done to each other...they are a joke.
Maybe EJ decided to use laughter to gloss over the heavy stuff for awhile since it worked so well when he tried it on Nicole.
He knows what works. Why try a different approach :D ?
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Jul 6 2012, 10:49 AM
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me. Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon: Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now.
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Jul 6 2012, 10:51 AM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Who is ever alone on a soap?
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Jul 6 2012, 10:52 AM
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Who is ever alone on a soap? Roman Brady. For a long time now. Thank God.
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Jul 6 2012, 10:56 AM
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Who is ever alone on a soap? In the past Jennifer, Hope, Kayla and Kimberly were alone when their husbands were "dead" or MIA. Not every female needs to be with a man and it would do all of them good to be without a man ie Sami and Nicole to really figure out who and what they really want. No one ever questioned who the ladies that I mentioned wanted. They knew who they wanted and didn't settle for anyone else. They were also secure in who they were strong independent and were actually seen working. Yeah Sami got the CEO job handed to her but she hasn't worked at all.
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Jul 6 2012, 11:08 AM
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me. Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon:
Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now. It's really interesting how differently the same scenes are interpreted for different people and how a scene that is a defining moment in one person's mind isn't in another's. There seems to be a lot more variation in opinion about soaps than there was in the past. Although maybe it just seems that way, because the internet makes it easier for us all to weigh in.
I could go and pull up quotes and scenes of Sami saying she loved EJ and scenes of genuine love, care and understanding. Or list the times when Nicole/Lucas/Rafe didn't accept EJ/Sami's flaws, or times when EJ settled for Nicole because she was there, or the terrible things that got minimized swept under the rug so they could happen etc.
The weird thing is that it seems like so many people like/dislike couples for the same reason.
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Jul 6 2012, 11:08 AM
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me. Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon:
Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now. That's cool. It doesn't have to work for you. Different strokes and all. Just like you see things in those couples, I see things in EJami that make them by far the best pairing. It doesn't have to make perfect world sense for me. In fact, more often than not in my fictional couples, I prefer it doesn't.
As far as MarDar ignoring stuff to get them together, I thought MarDar did a good job of ignoring the EJ cheating on Nicole with her sister before they got back together. They wrapped it up with a sentence and a dismissive laugh over a glass of champagne. I still saw people still enjoying them and their reunion. Same for Lumi's rushed reunion, and maybe Safe will eventually take a turn as well....and people will still enjoy them. Why should I as an EJami fan be any different?
Writing can be better for every storyline. There's no question and saying "better" is putting it mildly. Speaking for myself as an EJami fan, that doesn't mean by watching and enjoying I think this is the best the writing could get. To me, they are not mutually exclusive. If it still entertains me though, I watch. If it doesn't, I won't.
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Jul 6 2012, 11:17 AM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me. Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon:
Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now.
It's really interesting how differently the same scenes are interpreted for different people and how a scene that is a defining moment in one person's mind isn't in another's. There seems to be a lot more variation in opinion about soaps than there was in the past. Although maybe it just seems that way, because the internet makes it easier for us all to weigh in. I could go and pull up quotes and scenes of Sami saying she loved EJ and scenes of genuine love, care and understanding. Or list the times when Nicole/Lucas/Rafe didn't accept EJ/Sami's flaws, or times when EJ settled for Nicole because she was there, or the terrible things that got minimized swept under the rug so they could happen etc. The weird thing is that it seems like so many people like/dislike couples for the same reason.
Yep. The WP crap for one. Before Sami left and during. Didn't Rafe tell Sami that she was in love with her baby's father or am I mistaking?
E.J. would never have bothered so much with Sami, if he didn't feel that she loved him too. As well as EJami fans-we would not have stood by the couple if we didn't see that Sami was in love with E.J.
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Jul 6 2012, 11:21 AM
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me. Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon:
Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now.
It's really interesting how differently the same scenes are interpreted for different people and how a scene that is a defining moment in one person's mind isn't in another's. There seems to be a lot more variation in opinion about soaps than there was in the past. Although maybe it just seems that way, because the internet makes it easier for us all to weigh in. I could go and pull up quotes and scenes of Sami saying she loved EJ and scenes of genuine love, care and understanding. Or list the times when Nicole/Lucas/Rafe didn't accept EJ/Sami's flaws, or times when EJ settled for Nicole because she was there, or the terrible things that got minimized swept under the rug so they could happen etc. The weird thing is that it seems like so many people like/dislike couples for the same reason. I only grew to really like EJOLE this last go around because I felt that EJ finally realized how pathetic he was made to look chasing after Sami as for LUMI I think that they at this point are best IMO as BFFs because there were times I felt he treated her just terribly but they grew to accepting each other and when Rafe came on I just fell in love with them as a couple granted I HATED EJ's constant insertion and the same old song and dance with those four. So I really do hope the PTB are more creative than in the past. While I also never denied that EJami werent given moments to me it comes off as fake when EJ would be trying to change for her while at the same time lying to her which would ruin any validity they may have had and I have said this before and I will say it again the way they started out in early 2006 they could have had me as a fan because I have always been a Sami fan first but with her needing to be dumbed down and he needing to change for her was a turn off on top of everything else they did to each other. In principle I will say I get it and if Sami was still written as the bad girl who had her brains they could have been great but the problem is she has not been written that way since 2006 and they decided to make EJ the interloper to her relationships. While though she still is irrational and makes poor choices she has not set out to hurt anyone since a little after EJ's intro into Salem.
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Jul 6 2012, 11:23 AM
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No, but that's where they are now with the current writers and where I expect them to be the recycled ones.
Yea, now. Because they're (TV) old.
They did the same thing with Chad and Melanie, though. And really, Bradison basically disappeared once Ian gave his blessing. The only exceptions seem to be Ejole and Safe. I'm starting to think we're not really talking about the same thing. :) ITA that people with no conflict often end up on the bb, but when I said what I did to LL, I wasn't talking about them having no conflict. I was talking about them starting out without a guaranteed deal breaker hanging over them, since LL was saying there had to be something coming up that would make them become enemies again.
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Jul 6 2012, 11:27 AM
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My dislike with Ejami has very little to do with their past crimes. I mean, I can't forgive EJ for a lot of what he did, but I myself I have said if I can forgive one couple's past, I guess I also have to agree to maybe overlook another's. It goes without saying that on a soap any couple can come back from anything. I loved Lumi for the dysfunction and for the forgiveness of past wrongs. I love me some dysfunction - and the push/pull, angry kisses, fighting that turns into sex, the denial of feelings, Sami falling for her nemesis, Sami being unable to ignore feelings, fantasies as evidence of these suppressed feelings, growth between characters, etc. --I saw all that first with Lumi. I remember reading a pro-Ejami post and thinking all of these wonderful Ejami qualities were not unique or first-seen with Ejami. But I digress, what was the point? Oh, right....history shmistory. That is not the only reason for my Ejami distaste. Although some of it does contribute. If Lucas had done some of the things EJ did, yeah, don't know if even I would have been able to forgive him. But we each have our own threshold, and if we like the characters we like, well, we like them.
I don't think JS and AS have such mind-blowing chemistry that I am swayed. I don't think JS is that good-looking that I can change my mind. I really hate the way Sami is when she is with EJ - I really only like her with Lucas. She is really only tolerable when with him. For all this EJ accepts Sami for who she is, I dunno - I still feel like there isn't a naturalness or an ease there. My opinion. I am assured that Sami is the love of Lucas's life, so the idea that EJ has eyes for no one else doesn't do it for me. The accepting flaws things is nice, and yes I don't love that Lucas is seen to lecture Sami sometimes - but it doesn't bother me enough to jump ship. But it does seems like Sami talks a lot about EJ being a better or different man, or whatever, but whatever - I don't know enough about it to really comment.
That we also see the same scenes or relationships differently goes without saying. For every scathing Lucas criticism, I can come up with a Lucas defense....same goes with any character or dynamic I am personally very attached to. And so for my view, I view Ejami in a very unflattering light, and they will never, ever be anything I tune in for. And it really is just as simple as that. I am not hooked on them.
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EJami are no more a joke than LUMI or EJole. All these couples are dysfunctional. How do you come back from years of tormenting each other, death row or your hubby playing a part in your mother's death or your wife standing by and watching you mourn the death of a child that wasn't yours? Yet, here we have LUMI and EJole. EJami can come back too.
How many times is Carrie going to fall for another guy, while poor Austin gets to wait for her. Yet, they always get back together..don't ask me why.
Another excellent point and this really is the bottom line for me. Rock on with your dysfunctional selves, EJami. :rockon:
Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now.
That's cool. It doesn't have to work for you. Different strokes and all. Just like you see things in those couples, I see things in EJami that make them by far the best pairing. It doesn't have to make perfect world sense for me. In fact, more often than not in my fictional couples, I prefer it doesn't. As far as MarDar ignoring stuff to get them together, I thought MarDar did a good job of ignoring the EJ cheating on Nicole with her sister before they got back together. They wrapped it up with a sentence and a dismissive laugh over a glass of champagne. I still saw people still enjoying them and their reunion. Same for Lumi's rushed reunion, and maybe Safe will eventually take a turn as well....and people will still enjoy them. Why should I as an EJami fan be any different? Writing can be better for every storyline. There's no question and saying "better" is putting it mildly. Speaking for myself as an EJami fan, that doesn't mean by watching and enjoying I think this is the best the writing could get. To me, they are not mutually exclusive. If it still entertains me though, I watch. If it doesn't, I won't. I am just tierd of the same old song and dance with EJ Nicole Sami and Rafe and now Lucas. Either they need to break ALL of them up for an extended period or for good if they can't be decisive in who they want with whom. Its always the same cycle that occurs and as much as I enjoy SAFE frankly the writing especially under MarDar has been horrible where I especially hate everyone now as currently written in that group. I really hope that things can turn around because this teasing and crumb throwing is tiresome. They are entirely too busy trying to start fanbase wars with those polls than actually writing good stories that have a flow and make sense from point A to B. They will never learn that they can't please everyone so why bother?
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Granted though I am a SAFE fan the reason I could grow to like LUMI in the past and I also like EJOLE is that though yes they are dysfunctional I saw genuine love, care and understanding btwn them. Where EJ does not need to pretend to be good for Nicole to look at him. Where Sami only gave him a look when no one else was avaliable or thought he was "changing" all the while because another of EJ's lies would come out and then she would dump him. This is just WHY I can never like EJAMI without going into specifics of their history. Sami has NEVER said she loves him, I have NEVER seen her long for him or do any of the things you do when you love someone and the attraction itself is not enough. Never mind that MarDar just decided to ignore everything about them and that they did to each other to get them together. THAT does not work for me. But as of now I really think sami just needs to be alone to really re- evaluate herself and her life. I mean after five marriages you would think she would have done so by now.
It's really interesting how differently the same scenes are interpreted for different people and how a scene that is a defining moment in one person's mind isn't in another's. There seems to be a lot more variation in opinion about soaps than there was in the past. Although maybe it just seems that way, because the internet makes it easier for us all to weigh in. I could go and pull up quotes and scenes of Sami saying she loved EJ and scenes of genuine love, care and understanding. Or list the times when Nicole/Lucas/Rafe didn't accept EJ/Sami's flaws, or times when EJ settled for Nicole because she was there, or the terrible things that got minimized swept under the rug so they could happen etc. The weird thing is that it seems like so many people like/dislike couples for the same reason.
I only grew to really like EJOLE this last go around because I felt that EJ finally realized how pathetic he was made to look chasing after Sami as for LUMI I think that they at this point are best IMO as BFFs because there were times I felt he treated her just terribly but they grew to accepting each other and when Rafe came on I just feel in love with them as a couple granted I HATED EJ's constant insertion and the same old song and dance with those four. So I really do hope the PTB are more creative than in the past. While I also never denied that EJami werent given moments to me it comes off as fake when EJ would be trying to change for her while at the same time lying to her which would ruin any validity they may have had and I have said this before and I will say it again the way they started out in early 2006 they could have had me as a fan because I have always been a Sami fan first but with him needing to be dumbed down and he needing to change for her was a turn off on top of everything else they did to each other. In principle I will say I get it and if Sami was still written as the bad girl who had her brains they could have been great but the problem is she has not been written that way since 2006 and they decided to make EJ the interloper to her relationships. While though she still is irrational and makes poor choices she has not set out to hurt anyone since a little after EJ's intro into Salem. Yes, it all comes down to individual perception and whether you think the actors/characters have enough potential that you're willing to stick with the couple in hopes that the writers will capitalize on it.
It's funny that you mention EJ's attempts to change making the supportive ejami moments seem fake to you, because for me, most of the most powerful scenes of them connecting happened when they weren't together and often when they were drawn to each other even though they should have hated each other.
I'd definitely say Sami set out to hurt EJ when she shot him in the head. Before that, everything was going the way she wanted, so she had no reason to get revenge on anyone, but what she did that night showed that she still had it in her. :wub:
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It's really interesting how differently the same scenes are interpreted for different people and how a scene that is a defining moment in one person's mind isn't in another's. There seems to be a lot more variation in opinion about soaps than there was in the past. Although maybe it just seems that way, because the internet makes it easier for us all to weigh in. I could go and pull up quotes and scenes of Sami saying she loved EJ and scenes of genuine love, care and understanding. Or list the times when Nicole/Lucas/Rafe didn't accept EJ/Sami's flaws, or times when EJ settled for Nicole because she was there, or the terrible things that got minimized swept under the rug so they could happen etc. The weird thing is that it seems like so many people like/dislike couples for the same reason.
I only grew to really like EJOLE this last go around because I felt that EJ finally realized how pathetic he was made to look chasing after Sami as for LUMI I think that they at this point are best IMO as BFFs because there were times I felt he treated her just terribly but they grew to accepting each other and when Rafe came on I just feel in love with them as a couple granted I HATED EJ's constant insertion and the same old song and dance with those four. So I really do hope the PTB are more creative than in the past. While I also never denied that EJami werent given moments to me it comes off as fake when EJ would be trying to change for her while at the same time lying to her which would ruin any validity they may have had and I have said this before and I will say it again the way they started out in early 2006 they could have had me as a fan because I have always been a Sami fan first but with him needing to be dumbed down and he needing to change for her was a turn off on top of everything else they did to each other. In principle I will say I get it and if Sami was still written as the bad girl who had her brains they could have been great but the problem is she has not been written that way since 2006 and they decided to make EJ the interloper to her relationships. While though she still is irrational and makes poor choices she has not set out to hurt anyone since a little after EJ's intro into Salem.
Yes, it all comes down to individual perception and whether you think the actors/characters have enough potential that you're willing to stick with the couple in hopes that the writers will capitalize on it. It's funny that you mention EJ's attempts to change making the supportive ejami moments seem fake to you, because for me, most of the most powerful scenes of them connecting happened when they weren't together and often when they were drawn to each other even though they should have hated each other. I'd definitely say Sami set out to hurt EJ when she shot him in the head. Before that, everything was going the way she wanted, so she had no reason to get revenge on anyone, but what she did that night showed that she still had it in her. :wub: IMO the way that her shooting him in the head was shot left open the possibility that it was someone else with the mirror and all and while she did look for him to confront him it was obvious from how she was acting that she was not in the right state of mind and her shooting him was a spur of the moment decision not a premeditated one and I understood what lead her to that point. That she felt trapped and after the fact even EJ said he deserved it. But the back and forth with them has just been dreadful especialy now because the past regimes clearly wrote them as adversaries where MarDar were setting them up romantically and their turn is likely to shift again with TomSell. IMO they once and for all need to decide who they want them to be.Without then teasing them as a romantic pairing because its not fair to fans who like them. Just as it was not fair of MarDar to string LUMIS along and throw SAFE's the odd crumb but for the most part ignoring them. So I hope they decide once and for all without all the teetering and the back and forth that at this point is also a huge turn off to me on top of making every story revolve around EJ and or Sami and the rest of the gang in the 30 something age group just being shifted like pieces on a chess board.
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