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I only grew to really like EJOLE this last go around because I felt that EJ finally realized how pathetic he was made to look chasing after Sami as for LUMI I think that they at this point are best IMO as BFFs because there were times I felt he treated her just terribly but they grew to accepting each other and when Rafe came on I just feel in love with them as a couple granted I HATED EJ's constant insertion and the same old song and dance with those four. So I really do hope the PTB are more creative than in the past. While I also never denied that EJami werent given moments to me it comes off as fake when EJ would be trying to change for her while at the same time lying to her which would ruin any validity they may have had and I have said this before and I will say it again the way they started out in early 2006 they could have had me as a fan because I have always been a Sami fan first but with him needing to be dumbed down and he needing to change for her was a turn off on top of everything else they did to each other. In principle I will say I get it and if Sami was still written as the bad girl who had her brains they could have been great but the problem is she has not been written that way since 2006 and they decided to make EJ the interloper to her relationships. While though she still is irrational and makes poor choices she has not set out to hurt anyone since a little after EJ's intro into Salem.
Yes, it all comes down to individual perception and whether you think the actors/characters have enough potential that you're willing to stick with the couple in hopes that the writers will capitalize on it.

It's funny that you mention EJ's attempts to change making the supportive ejami moments seem fake to you, because for me, most of the most powerful scenes of them connecting happened when they weren't together and often when they were drawn to each other even though they should have hated each other.

I'd definitely say Sami set out to hurt EJ when she shot him in the head. Before that, everything was going the way she wanted, so she had no reason to get revenge on anyone, but what she did that night showed that she still had it in her. :wub:
IMO the way that her shooting him in the head was shot left open the possibility that it was someone else with the mirror and all and while she did look for him to confront him it was obvious from how she was acting that she was not in the right state of mind and her shooting him was a spur of the moment decision not a premeditated one and I understood what lead her to that point. That she felt trapped and after the fact even EJ said he deserved it. But the back and forth with them has just been dreadful especialy now because the past regimes clearly wrote them as adversaries where MarDar were setting them up romantically and their turn is likely to shift again with TomSell. IMO they once and for all need to decide who they want them to be.Without then teasing them as a romantic pairing because its not fair to fans who like them. Just as it was not fair of MarDar to string LUMIS along and throw SAFE's the odd crumb but for the most part ignoring them. So I hope they decide once and for all without all the teetering and the back and forth that at this point is also a huge turn off to me on top of making every story revolve around EJ and or Sami and the rest of the gang in the 30 something age group just being shifted like pieces on a chess board.
I think it's been 100% clear for quite some time that Sami was the shooter. Even if she wasn't in her right mind then, she is now and she has no regrets. LuKate also had a lot of what she did to them coming, too. It was still revenge though. As for MarDar, at this point, they haven't given ejami as a pairing nearly as much as DH did. They've been adversaries and potential partners under every regime.

Elci, to me the really amusing thing is not just that we all see things differently; it's that a lot of these points these are basically the same ones from around Sept/Oct of this year (and I'm sure the trend keeps going, the further back you go). The names have just been switched.
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Yes, it all comes down to individual perception and whether you think the actors/characters have enough potential that you're willing to stick with the couple in hopes that the writers will capitalize on it.

It's funny that you mention EJ's attempts to change making the supportive ejami moments seem fake to you, because for me, most of the most powerful scenes of them connecting happened when they weren't together and often when they were drawn to each other even though they should have hated each other.

I'd definitely say Sami set out to hurt EJ when she shot him in the head. Before that, everything was going the way she wanted, so she had no reason to get revenge on anyone, but what she did that night showed that she still had it in her. :wub:
IMO the way that her shooting him in the head was shot left open the possibility that it was someone else with the mirror and all and while she did look for him to confront him it was obvious from how she was acting that she was not in the right state of mind and her shooting him was a spur of the moment decision not a premeditated one and I understood what lead her to that point. That she felt trapped and after the fact even EJ said he deserved it. But the back and forth with them has just been dreadful especialy now because the past regimes clearly wrote them as adversaries where MarDar were setting them up romantically and their turn is likely to shift again with TomSell. IMO they once and for all need to decide who they want them to be.Without then teasing them as a romantic pairing because its not fair to fans who like them. Just as it was not fair of MarDar to string LUMIS along and throw SAFE's the odd crumb but for the most part ignoring them. So I hope they decide once and for all without all the teetering and the back and forth that at this point is also a huge turn off to me on top of making every story revolve around EJ and or Sami and the rest of the gang in the 30 something age group just being shifted like pieces on a chess board.
I think it's been 100% clear for quite some time that Sami was the shooter. Even if she wasn't in her right mind then, she is now and she has no regrets. LuKate also had a lot of what she did to them coming, too. It was still revenge though. As for MarDar, at this point, they haven't given ejami as a pairing nearly as much as DH did. They've been adversaries and potential partners under every regime.

Elcie, to me the really amusing thing is not that we all see things differently; it's that a lot of these points these are basically the same ones from around Sept/Oct of this year. The names have just been switched.
Oh, I never said that Sami was regretful and I know it played out as shes the one that did it but thats just another instance to me of Sami not loving EJ. On DH yes she was HW longer than MarDar and while she did give EJAMI moments it was clear where Sami's heart was and that was with Rafe not EJ because she was writing for SAFE. Where IMO MarDar were building to EJAMI from November and likely would have united them sometime late summer or early fall with Sami undoubtdley cheating on Lucas the signs were there from the get go because if they wanted LUMI they would have shown them having sex and had their relationship on screen See Bradison . The reunion wouldn't have happened so quickly either and I disagree that EJ and Sami were adversaries they took away all their even most recent adversarial history and had them become BFFs over night with Sami accepting an apartment from him and bonding over their failed marriages. etc etc. They greatly IMO disliked SAFE too. The majority of their scenes and conversations have centred around EJ and the EJ and Sami relationship or Will's relationsdhip. To top it off they took away his Dimeraness had them share "moments" like the dance pretty much foreshadowing that they would be together through the dialogue etc, etc. While They were likely going to have Lucas be the one to frame EJ therefore looking bad to Sami and Will. So Lucas was nothing more than a pit stop on the road to EJAMI IMO. That is also why they had shifted Rafe to Carrie and had SAFE act like they were strangers and never a couple in love.
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As far as MarDar ignoring stuff to get them together, I thought MarDar did a good job of ignoring the EJ cheating on Nicole with her sister before they got back together. They wrapped it up with a sentence and a dismissive laugh over a glass of champagne. I still saw people still enjoying them and their reunion. Same for Lumi's rushed reunion, and maybe Safe will eventually take a turn as well....and people will still enjoy them. Why should I as an EJami fan be any different?

EJole did not get back together after that conversation. I would not have been satisfied with them getting back together simply because they had a conversation and shared a bottle of champaigne. I would have seriously been disappointed with Nicole if she took him back after that lame explanation even if it was funny. He told her that he was sorry for the way he treated her but, even after he told her how sorry he was she still did not take him back. Many other things occurred after they had that conversation before Nicole decided to forgive him and take him back. His cheating with her sister did come up in their conversation more than once after that so, Mardar was not ignoring it.

It's nothing like EJ and Sami where they literally were bffs after sharing a bottle of champagne.
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IMO the way that her shooting him in the head was shot left open the possibility that it was someone else with the mirror and all and while she did look for him to confront him it was obvious from how she was acting that she was not in the right state of mind and her shooting him was a spur of the moment decision not a premeditated one and I understood what lead her to that point. That she felt trapped and after the fact even EJ said he deserved it. But the back and forth with them has just been dreadful especialy now because the past regimes clearly wrote them as adversaries where MarDar were setting them up romantically and their turn is likely to shift again with TomSell. IMO they once and for all need to decide who they want them to be.Without then teasing them as a romantic pairing because its not fair to fans who like them. Just as it was not fair of MarDar to string LUMIS along and throw SAFE's the odd crumb but for the most part ignoring them. So I hope they decide once and for all without all the teetering and the back and forth that at this point is also a huge turn off to me on top of making every story revolve around EJ and or Sami and the rest of the gang in the 30 something age group just being shifted like pieces on a chess board.
I think it's been 100% clear for quite some time that Sami was the shooter. Even if she wasn't in her right mind then, she is now and she has no regrets. LuKate also had a lot of what she did to them coming, too. It was still revenge though. As for MarDar, at this point, they haven't given ejami as a pairing nearly as much as DH did. They've been adversaries and potential partners under every regime.

Elcie, to me the really amusing thing is not that we all see things differently; it's that a lot of these points these are basically the same ones from around Sept/Oct of this year. The names have just been switched.
Oh I never said that Sami was regretful and I know it played out as shes the one that did it but thatys just another instance to me of Sami not loving EJ. On DH yes she was HW longer than MarDar and while she did give EJAMI moments it was clear where Sami's heart was and that was with Rafe not EJ because she was writing for SAFE. Where IMO MarDar where building to EJAMI from November and likely would have united them sometime late summer or eaely fall with Sami undoubtdley cheating on Lucas the signs where there from the get go because if they wanted LUMI they would have shown them having sex and had their relationship on screen. The majority of their scenes ans conversations have centred around EJ and the EJ and Sami relationship or Will's relationsdhip. To top it off thje took away his Dimeraness had them share "moments" like the dance pretty much foreshadowing that they would be together etc, etc. While They were likely going to have Lucas be the one to frame EJ therefore looking bad to Sami and Will
The length of time she was HW doesn't matter - quality over quantity. EJami got Sydney, while Mardar is giving a baby to ejole. It was DH who first had Sami say she loved EJ, who moved Sami into the safe house and the mansion with EJ and the twins, who let them have a frank talk about their past and one of the best choreographed love scenes on Days, who had Sami dreaming about EJ. At some point in there, Tomlin brought in Rafe and hijacked the story, and like all stories, there were a bunch of ups and downs and setbacks along the way, and later on, she also gave ejami some of their worst scenes, but the first part of her run was a good time to be an ejami fan.

IMO, mardar would have reunited ejami, then a couple of months down the line, they would have suddenly pulled the rug out from under them just like they did to every other couple on the show. I see no reason to believe that MarDar were going to let go of their old pattern for ejami.

Ejami weren't and aren't bff's after sharing a bottle of champagne. They're awkward and uncomfortable with each other and just recently argued with each other. The majority of the time they end up in the same area, it's by chance or for the kids. Not a tickle fight without dealing with the serious stuff to be seen. Maybe they'll discuss it after they decide to give their relationship a chance and he's knocked her up again.
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As far as MarDar ignoring stuff to get them together, I thought MarDar did a good job of ignoring the EJ cheating on Nicole with her sister before they got back together. They wrapped it up with a sentence and a dismissive laugh over a glass of champagne. I still saw people still enjoying them and their reunion. Same for Lumi's rushed reunion, and maybe Safe will eventually take a turn as well....and people will still enjoy them. Why should I as an EJami fan be any different?

EJole did not get back together after that conversation. I would not have been satisfied with them getting back together simply because they had a conversation and shared a bottle of champaigne. I would have seriously been disappointed with Nicole if she took him back after that lame explanation even if it was funny. He told her that he was sorry for the way he treated her but, even after he told her how sorry he was she still did not take him back. Many other things occurred after they had that conversation before Nicole decided to forgive him and take him back. His cheating with her sister did come up in their conversation more than once after that so, Mardar was not ignoring it.

It's nothing like EJ and Sami where they literally were bffs after sharing a bottle of champagne.
Before that, when EJ had the bleed in his brain, Nicole contemplated leaving him to die because of what he did with his sister. She's also has brought up her mother's killing. Even when they went into the fake marriage Nicole thought EJ hated her because of the kidnapping. They talked about it when they felt the baby kick.

Yep, they talk...it doesnt get swept under the rug or smirked at when its brought up as a joke. Does Sami even regret shooting him in the head. Ive never heard that come from her mouth. She regrets nothing, and blames everyone.
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I think it's been 100% clear for quite some time that Sami was the shooter. Even if she wasn't in her right mind then, she is now and she has no regrets. LuKate also had a lot of what she did to them coming, too. It was still revenge though. As for MarDar, at this point, they haven't given ejami as a pairing nearly as much as DH did. They've been adversaries and potential partners under every regime.

Elcie, to me the really amusing thing is not that we all see things differently; it's that a lot of these points these are basically the same ones from around Sept/Oct of this year. The names have just been switched.
Oh I never said that Sami was regretful and I know it played out as shes the one that did it but thatys just another instance to me of Sami not loving EJ. On DH yes she was HW longer than MarDar and while she did give EJAMI moments it was clear where Sami's heart was and that was with Rafe not EJ because she was writing for SAFE. Where IMO MarDar where building to EJAMI from November and likely would have united them sometime late summer or eaely fall with Sami undoubtdley cheating on Lucas the signs where there from the get go because if they wanted LUMI they would have shown them having sex and had their relationship on screen. The majority of their scenes ans conversations have centred around EJ and the EJ and Sami relationship or Will's relationsdhip. To top it off thje took away his Dimeraness had them share "moments" like the dance pretty much foreshadowing that they would be together etc, etc. While They were likely going to have Lucas be the one to frame EJ therefore looking bad to Sami and Will
The length of time she was HW doesn't matter - quality over quantity. EJami got Sydney, while Mardar is giving a baby to ejole. It was DH who first had Sami say she loved EJ, who moved Sami into the safe house and the mansion with EJ and the twins, who let them have a frank talk about their past and one of the best choreographed love scenes on Days, who had Sami dreaming about EJ. At some point in there, Tomlin brought in Rafe and hijacked the story, and like all stories, there were a bunch of ups and downs and setbacks along the way, and later on, she also gave ejami some of their worst scenes, but the first part of her run was a good time to be an ejami fan.

IMO, mardar would have reunited ejami, then a couple of months down the line, they would have suddenly pulled the rug out from under them just like they did to every other couple on the show. I see no reason to believe that MarDar were going to let go of their old pattern for ejami.
You are missing my point. Having kids NEVER meant a couple was going to be together and after WP DH was clearly writing for SAFE. The daydreams true love connection etc .etc. With EJ as interloper, the Sydnapping was not for EJAMI either but SAFE .She also did not boink him while at Dimansion especially after they got engaged during summer of 2010. For the reasons I outlined MarDar were writing for EJAMI and nothing is going to change my mind about that even the spoilers for the next few weeks show very positive EJAMI scenes that MarDar wrote. EJAMI also had Johnny before Sydney and it did not mean anything. That is not to say that again during the safehouse that they werent teased and prior to that but from 2009--2011 the hate boink the story was all about SAFE and not EJAMI. I just want to say that I am convinced there would have been another baby swap but with Carrie's baby this time. The EJOLE baby wasn't regarded very highly to them otherwise they wouldn't have had her boinking Dan and wanting Rafe to claim paternity it was all a way for EJ to go crying on Sami's shoulder IMO when he finally broke it off with Nicole IMO.
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Yea, now. Because they're (TV) old.
They did the same thing with Chad and Melanie, though. And really, Bradison basically disappeared once Ian gave his blessing. The only exceptions seem to be Ejole and Safe.
I'm starting to think we're not really talking about the same thing. :) ITA that people with no conflict often end up on the bb, but when I said what I did to LL, I wasn't talking about them having no conflict. I was talking about them starting out without a guaranteed deal breaker hanging over them, since LL was saying there had to be something coming up that would make them become enemies again.
You and me? Not on the same page? Impossible. No, I'm pretty sure I was originally making a joke.
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Jul 5 2012, 07:43 AM
Now it looks to me as if SAFE is dead. Rafe can't stand her, he is all about Carrie. And Sami has finally realized what a condescending creep she was with, who blamed her for the end of their marriage, when he too had fallen for Carrie. I see no future for SAFE :cheer: ...thank gawd.
Yes but what happens when Carrie is gone? Back to square one, aka Sami?
Gosh, I hope not. Those two are the worst couple on days ever existed that I have seen.
There has been no news that they are also letting the actor of Rafe go.. so he must be involved in some story. I do not think he would work with Hope or Sami. Maybe Jennifer, is she staying on?
Then who else is there? There of course is the option of the new Roman, aka no ladies. This could work and maybe what the character needs at this point, to be established without being the ladies man. However, the new writers seem to love Rafe and SAFE so I am worried.
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It's nothing like EJ and Sami where they literally were bffs after sharing a bottle of champagne.
Before that, when EJ had the bleed in his brain, Nicole contemplated leaving him to die because of what he did with his sister. She's also has brought up her mother's killing. Even when they went into the fake marriage Nicole thought EJ hated her because of the kidnapping. They talked about it when they felt the baby kick.

Yep, they talk...it doesnt get swept under the rug or smirked at when its brought up as a joke. Does Sami even regret shooting him in the head. Ive never heard that come from her mouth. She regrets nothing, and blames everyone.
Maybe they will at some point, but right now, Ejami are barely friends. Ejole talked about all of this stuff as they were considering re-committing to a romantic relationship that eventually led to them getting engaged. Ejami is just at the hey-look-we-are-kinda-getting-along stage. Yeah, they are probably hot for each other too, but I see nothing that indicates that Ejami is considering whether they should try to make a go of it as a couple again. IF they get to that stage, then maybe we will see some of those more in-depth conversations about their past issues.
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It's nothing like EJ and Sami where they literally were bffs after sharing a bottle of champagne.
Before that, when EJ had the bleed in his brain, Nicole contemplated leaving him to die because of what he did with his sister. She's also has brought up her mother's killing. Even when they went into the fake marriage Nicole thought EJ hated her because of the kidnapping. They talked about it when they felt the baby kick.

Yep, they talk...it doesnt get swept under the rug or smirked at when its brought up as a joke. Does Sami even regret shooting him in the head. Ive never heard that come from her mouth. She regrets nothing, and blames everyone.
Maybe they will at some point, but right now, Ejami are barely friends. Ejole talked about all of this stuff as they were considering re-committing to a romantic relationship that eventually led to them getting engaged. Ejami is just at the hey-look-we-are-kinda-getting-along stage. Yeah, they are probably hot for each other too, but I see nothing that indicates that Ejami is considering whether they should try to make a go of it as a couple again. IF they get to that stage, then maybe we will see some of those more in-depth conversations about their past issues.
I hope so. But in the end, no matter which couples we are talking about and no matter how indepth their conversations there will be some fans who just won't buy it. It won't be enough, it will seem whitewashed, it won't make any sense. And on the flip side, the fans of that particular couple will probably soak it all up and accept it for what it is - a means to move their favorites forward and toward one another. And I include myself on both sides of that coin depending on who the couple is.
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Elcie, to me the really amusing thing is not that we all see things differently; it's that a lot of these points these are basically the same ones from around Sept/Oct of this year. The names have just been switched.
Oh I never said that Sami was regretful and I know it played out as shes the one that did it but thatys just another instance to me of Sami not loving EJ. On DH yes she was HW longer than MarDar and while she did give EJAMI moments it was clear where Sami's heart was and that was with Rafe not EJ because she was writing for SAFE. Where IMO MarDar where building to EJAMI from November and likely would have united them sometime late summer or eaely fall with Sami undoubtdley cheating on Lucas the signs where there from the get go because if they wanted LUMI they would have shown them having sex and had their relationship on screen. The majority of their scenes ans conversations have centred around EJ and the EJ and Sami relationship or Will's relationsdhip. To top it off thje took away his Dimeraness had them share "moments" like the dance pretty much foreshadowing that they would be together etc, etc. While They were likely going to have Lucas be the one to frame EJ therefore looking bad to Sami and Will
The length of time she was HW doesn't matter - quality over quantity. EJami got Sydney, while Mardar is giving a baby to ejole. It was DH who first had Sami say she loved EJ, who moved Sami into the safe house and the mansion with EJ and the twins, who let them have a frank talk about their past and one of the best choreographed love scenes on Days, who had Sami dreaming about EJ. At some point in there, Tomlin brought in Rafe and hijacked the story, and like all stories, there were a bunch of ups and downs and setbacks along the way, and later on, she also gave ejami some of their worst scenes, but the first part of her run was a good time to be an ejami fan.

IMO, mardar would have reunited ejami, then a couple of months down the line, they would have suddenly pulled the rug out from under them just like they did to every other couple on the show. I see no reason to believe that MarDar were going to let go of their old pattern for ejami.
You are missing my point. Having kids NEVER meant a couple was going to be together and after WP DH was clearly writing for SAFE. The daydreams true love connection etc .etc. With EJ as interloper the Sydnapping was not for EJAMI either but SAFE .She also did not boink him while at Dimansion for the reasons I outlined MarDar were writing for EJAMI and nothing is going to change my mind about that even the spoilers for the next few weeks show very positive EJAMI scenes that MarDar wrote. EJAMI also had Johnny before Sydney and it did not mean anything. That is not to say that again during the safehouse that they werent teased and prior to that but from 2009--2011 the hate boink the story was all about SAFE and not EJAMI.
I wasn't aware that I ever said having kids meant a couple was going to end up together, but there was a time when DH was writing for ejami. She basically said as much in one of her blogs. Every team has written positive things for ejami at one time or another, and DH happens to have written the majority of the biggest things.

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LOL, yea, I know your original bb statement was a joke, but somewhere along the line it turned into a discussion. At least I thought so. IDEK anymore.
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Now it looks to me as if SAFE is dead. Rafe can't stand her, he is all about Carrie. And Sami has finally realized what a condescending creep she was with, who blamed her for the end of their marriage, when he too had fallen for Carrie. I see no future for SAFE :cheer: ...thank gawd.
Yes but what happens when Carrie is gone? Back to square one, aka Sami?
Gosh, I hope not. Those two are the worst couple on days ever existed that I have seen.
There has been no news that they are also letting the actor of Rafe go.. so he must be involved in some story. I do not think he would work with Hope or Sami. Maybe Jennifer, is she staying on?
Then who else is there? There of course is the option of the new Roman, aka no ladies. This could work and maybe what the character needs at this point, to be established without being the ladies man. However, the new writers seem to love Rafe and SAFE so I am worried.
As I have said EJ Nicole Sami and Rafe will ALL be in story together no matter what. Those four are the focus and SAFE are hardly the worst couple in DAYS history. I enjoy them very much when both can be fiesty together especially. The Sami men merry go round is FAR from over and something the PTB love to focus on,
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I hope so. But in the end, no matter which couples we are talking about and no matter how indepth their conversations there will be some fans who just won't buy it. It won't be enough, it will seem whitewashed, it won't make any sense. And on the flip side, the fans of that particular couple will probably soak it all up and accept it for what it is - a means to move their favorites forward and toward one another. And I include myself on both sides of that coin depending on who the couple is.
Absolutely. Anybody who reads this site or any soap message board knows that shippers (myself included) are more than willing to overlook sins for their couple that they are quick to throw in the face of other couples. That's probably why I personally don't do much shipper arguing anymore. I know who/what I like and don't really care if people disagree with me.
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Jul 6 2012, 12:16 PM

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The length of time she was HW doesn't matter - quality over quantity. EJami got Sydney, while Mardar is giving a baby to ejole. It was DH who first had Sami say she loved EJ, who moved Sami into the safe house and the mansion with EJ and the twins, who let them have a frank talk about their past and one of the best choreographed love scenes on Days, who had Sami dreaming about EJ. At some point in there, Tomlin brought in Rafe and hijacked the story, and like all stories, there were a bunch of ups and downs and setbacks along the way, and later on, she also gave ejami some of their worst scenes, but the first part of her run was a good time to be an ejami fan.

IMO, mardar would have reunited ejami, then a couple of months down the line, they would have suddenly pulled the rug out from under them just like they did to every other couple on the show. I see no reason to believe that MarDar were going to let go of their old pattern for ejami.
You are missing my point. Having kids NEVER meant a couple was going to be together and after WP DH was clearly writing for SAFE. The daydreams true love connection etc .etc. With EJ as interloper the Sydnapping was not for EJAMI either but SAFE .She also did not boink him while at Dimansion for the reasons I outlined MarDar were writing for EJAMI and nothing is going to change my mind about that even the spoilers for the next few weeks show very positive EJAMI scenes that MarDar wrote. EJAMI also had Johnny before Sydney and it did not mean anything. That is not to say that again during the safehouse that they werent teased and prior to that but from 2009--2011 the hate boink the story was all about SAFE and not EJAMI.
I wasn't aware that I ever said having kids meant a couple was going to end up together, but there was a time when DH was writing for ejami. She basically said as much in one of her blogs. Every team has written positive things for ejami at one time or another, and DH happens to have written the majority of the biggest things.

Lysie
LOL, yea, I know your original bb statement was a joke, but somewhere along the line it turned into a discussion. At least I thought so. IDEK anymore.
My point was as I have said repeatedley that after WP DH was writing for SAFE even though EJAMI was teased through the summer of 2010. You brought up DH giving EJAMI sydney and I said during the WP SL EJAMI was still teased but from 2009- 20011 SAFE was the couple being written for and now we will all just have to wait and see. I never denied that through the WP SL that EJAMI was not being written for but after WP that all changed, until MarDar came on. So my point was again after WP any "positive" things she may have written for EJAMI was not about them but SAFE because Rafe is who she wanted so to ne DH having a longer tenure means nothing when she ultimately was not writing for EJAMI I mean she was the writer that wrote Sami shooting him which was again because of lies that he told that she was pisswed came btwn SAFE. MarDar in 6 months IMO actually gave EJAMI the most positive writing and were going there no doubt the others may have teased it but NEVER intended to go there with them and Sami and EJ have gotten along for all of MarDar tenure there were no using children as pawns or custody battles in fact they had them make a pact to keep their romp quiet and that was the beginnjing of going down the EJAMI road. IMO.
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Jul 6 2012, 12:50 PM
As I have said EJ Nicole Sami and Rafe will ALL be in story together no matter what. Those four are the focus and SAFE are hardly the worst couple in DAYS history. I enjoy them very much when both can be fiesty together especially. The Sami men merry go round is FAR from over and something the PTB love to focus on,
NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I cannot accept that, LOL.
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Jul 5 2012, 07:48 AM
I think the show has failed greatly by making most of their main characters beneath the Dimeras some way. Sorry doesn't work. I have no interest in seeing the Dimeras own Salem. Especially when the two other families of power are ignored.

This show will continue to suck as long as the writers deem it necessary to flood our screen with James Scott and to try and have him carry the show. He is by far the worse lead I have ever seen. But what do you expect from a man with no successful storyline even though he gets triple the sl as everyone else.

It's not just the writing.
Well, I can agree that they should not ignore the other power houses. I mean there is no Kiriakis anymore and where is the Brady.. or should I say what is the Brady? I also wish they would bring in a new power family that will knock everyone down, including the Dimera. And perhaps make even the Dimera look shameful in time.

I also agree to some point that there has been to much Dimera. I love the Dimera but they cannot play solo all the time. Then we come to what we have now, if something goes wrong the Dimera is to blame. Which is fine but at one point but then it gets repetitive. That was what I was hoping to see with Ian, a new power. I was actually hoping that he was not a Dimera and that he would have a family that could come in and get mingle with the Salem resident and do all kinds of scheming. Of course, we did not see this and frankly I am disappointed. The world does not have to involve around being a Dimera or not.

I disagree about James. I think he is great and he has become one of my favorite character. Has the stories he has been involved in been always great. Absolutely not, and thats because the writing has sucked for a long time. They are focusing on wrong stories and stories that only involved the very few and kind of forgot about the rest of the cast. It IS the writers fault and what they give the the actors to play with. Its all about the material they give them. If the material suck,.. good acting will hardly help.
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You are missing my point. Having kids NEVER meant a couple was going to be together and after WP DH was clearly writing for SAFE. The daydreams true love connection etc .etc. With EJ as interloper the Sydnapping was not for EJAMI either but SAFE .She also did not boink him while at Dimansion for the reasons I outlined MarDar were writing for EJAMI and nothing is going to change my mind about that even the spoilers for the next few weeks show very positive EJAMI scenes that MarDar wrote. EJAMI also had Johnny before Sydney and it did not mean anything. That is not to say that again during the safehouse that they werent teased and prior to that but from 2009--2011 the hate boink the story was all about SAFE and not EJAMI.
I wasn't aware that I ever said having kids meant a couple was going to end up together, but there was a time when DH was writing for ejami. She basically said as much in one of her blogs. Every team has written positive things for ejami at one time or another, and DH happens to have written the majority of the biggest things.

Lysie
LOL, yea, I know your original bb statement was a joke, but somewhere along the line it turned into a discussion. At least I thought so. IDEK anymore.
My point was as I have said repeatedley that after WP DH was writing for SAFE even though EJAMI was teased through the summer of 2010. You brought up DH giving EJAMI sydney and I said during the WP SL EJAMI was still teased but from 2009- 20011 SAFE was the couple being written for and now we will all just have to wait and see. I never denied that through the WP SL that EJAMI was not being written for but after WP that all changed, until MarDar came on.
What you seem to be missing is that I'm not talking about the period between 2009 - 2011 (all the things I mentioned took place before then, besides Syd's birth, but the conception was obviously before 2009).

" I never denied that through the WP SL that EJAMI was not being written for but after WP that all changed, until MarDar came on."
In this case, we agree, then - that's what I've been trying to get across all along lol - that MarDar is not the first regime to write ejami as something other than adversaries.
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Jul 6 2012, 12:55 PM
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As I have said EJ Nicole Sami and Rafe will ALL be in story together no matter what. Those four are the focus and SAFE are hardly the worst couple in DAYS history. I enjoy them very much when both can be fiesty together especially. The Sami men merry go round is FAR from over and something the PTB love to focus on,
NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I cannot accept that, LOL.
Creativity is too much to ask of any regime.
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Jul 5 2012, 08:21 AM
What about the Kiriakis brood? The show has continuously crapped on them for years now. And they're practically as nonexistent as ever. Victor's just a whipped boy with no balls. I mean, seriously, this is the same badass that put Shane/Kim through hell during the 80's. And his oneliners were priceless. Unsurprisingly this once great villain has been destroyed.
Phillip's no longer in the coop, and they just let Brady booze it up. Rather than just focus on the Dimeras, the Kiriakis clan needs to rise to power.
John Aniston is (was) a master at villianry until they pocketed Victor's balls in Maggie's apron. Jay Kenneth Johnson became fed up with playing storylines with teeny boppers, basically deciding to blow the joint. Don't blame him either. While I love drooling over Eric Martsolf's hot bod :wub: the show never has given him material meaty enough to be a badass Kiriakis. And then, you have Judi Evans/Wally Kurth, both fantastic actors languishing on the backburner while they pump up Victor's stepson, DanMan.
I miss them is all I can say. The Kiriakis need to rise to power. Brady has been a joke and frankly I want to see someone take on the family business and turn against the other two families + third unknown new family if possible. And I don't mean the Hernandes family.

Victor need more family around him to blow light into their empire and family.

When EJ as un-Dimera I was kind of hoping that EJs real father was Victor cus then EJ would have a right to the family business and could have brought life into the Kiriakis empire with Victors approval or disapproval + EJ knows the Dimera way and their business so he could prove be a good competition against whoever would have taken on the Dimera empire (Kristen.., John or whomever). It would have been a way for EJ to show Stefano he can indeed take on a empire and "you where wrong about me" kind of thing.
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I wasn't aware that I ever said having kids meant a couple was going to end up together, but there was a time when DH was writing for ejami. She basically said as much in one of her blogs. Every team has written positive things for ejami at one time or another, and DH happens to have written the majority of the biggest things.

Lysie
LOL, yea, I know your original bb statement was a joke, but somewhere along the line it turned into a discussion. At least I thought so. IDEK anymore.
My point was as I have said repeatedley that after WP DH was writing for SAFE even though EJAMI was teased through the summer of 2010. You brought up DH giving EJAMI sydney and I said during the WP SL EJAMI was still teased but from 2009- 20011 SAFE was the couple being written for and now we will all just have to wait and see. I never denied that through the WP SL that EJAMI was not being written for but after WP that all changed, until MarDar came on.
What you seem to be missing is that I'm not talking about the period between 2009 - 2011 (all the things I mentioned took place before then, besides Syd's birth, but the conception was obviously before 2009).

" I never denied that through the WP SL that EJAMI was not being written for but after WP that all changed, until MarDar came on."
In this case, we agree, then - that's what I've been trying to get across all along lol - that MarDar is not the first regime to write ejami as something other than adversaries.
Yes, we can agree there all I was also saying is that MarDar were going to write for them where the others changed course and though moments were given by DH and even Scheffer at the time it wasn't about them. But IMO MarDar were writing for them and were going to put them together. Something no other regime wanted to do. Thus we had interloper EJ to SAFE LUMI ultimately while EJAMI was teased in btwn for good measure. :) So to me the quantity of time DH wrote vs MarDar is then irrelevant because for the majority of the time she was writing for SAFE after WP.
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