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Spoilers for the week of July 9th; *UPDATED 7/3*
Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 PM (65,714 Views)
Helpless Romantic


emma mia
Jul 7 2012, 05:34 PM
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Jul 7 2012, 05:26 PM
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Jul 7 2012, 05:19 PM
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Jul 7 2012, 05:15 PM

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I do not think anyone is in any position to say what they were obviously doing, after all before the news of their firing I was seeing that the EJAMI being friends again were obviously crumbs or being done so EJ could prove to Nicole that he hates Sami.

The John thing can play out any number of ways; Sami can do as you say, or very much achknowledge that EJ suffered as much as she did from the shooting, that Rafe and Carrie did their own thing without any help and quite frankly if she is with EJ when she learns this truth, it should not matter because she will be where she wants to be anyway! lol
I think its pretty safe to say they were. EJAMI BRADISON and CAFE got the favorable or rootable writing. In a soap it is fairly obvious who the writers want and I maintain IMO that the couples I listed were who they were going with on top of things they said in interviews and joining the Facebook page for EJAMI. Now with the writers change this direction will no doubt change as well but from all the spoilers that were very pro EJAMI the dialogue btwn them and the moments given to them all made wheree they were going very clear to me. Since November it was all their story and not anyone elses because Lucas has not been seen and Rafe shifted to Carrie's orbit as well as Nicole in Dan's again all MarDar.
I do not see how given that EJAMI are written totally different from the Mar/Dar formula of EJOLE, Bradison, LUMI et al which is to jump into bed at a whimp and given that Mar/Dar said they were not allowed to write their stories, why is EJAMI suddenly the exception? Grief Sex happened and EJ and Sami were still eons away from each other, so I do not see how they could have been written for since Nov; are the tickle fest obsolete then?

and what does joining EJAMI's FB have to do with anything? and how can anyone be confident that the new writers will move away from EJAMI, nothing has been said to negate that NBC are not the ones who wanted EJAMI to begin with and Tom/Sell wont be able to move away from that. Point is, it can go any which way, there is nothing set in stone, and we are all guessing at this point rather tham being able to make proclamations with any amount of confidence!
No writer that i kmow joins one fansite while ignoring others and thats just it maybe the EJAMI full blown story is in part what they werent allowed to tell because while EJAMI was always teased in the past no regime actually went there and always made EJ the villian to her relationships. Why we wont know but they didn't go there full steam ahead. Now IMO MarDar really wanted to go there but they were stopped. I mean the show has been heavily EJ and Sami centric. LUMI ' relationship was treated as an after thought and completely off screen. I don't think its just coincidental that their love scenes werent shown and the rate at which they were just thrown together spelled doom. While IMO BRADISON EJAMI and CAFE have been building for six monts and Lucas and Nicole were temporary for Sami and EJ. Again see Daniel whose romp with Nicole was also shown on screen.
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Jul 6 2012, 10:51 AM
Who is ever alone on a soap?
In the past Jennifer, Hope, Kayla and Kimberly were alone when their husbands were "dead" or MIA. Not every female needs to be with a man and it would do all of them good to be without a man ie Sami and Nicole to really figure out who and what they really want. No one ever questioned who the ladies that I mentioned wanted. They knew who they wanted and didn't settle for anyone else. They were also secure in who they were strong independent and were actually seen working. Yeah Sami got the CEO job handed to her but she hasn't worked at all.


wait a minute. if memory serves, (and if it is a big if) kayla hooked up with shane the second steve died. kimberly hooked up with that psycho (whatever his name what) who 'killed' shane. jennifer hooked with stephano's son. kristen brother.

lead females hooking is nothing new. it has always been like that. just that they used to have better writing.
Kayla did not hook up with Shane the second Steve died and that "hookup" is never mentioned neither are the Jennifer and Peter years in fact when they came back in the early 2000s Jennifer ever marrying Peter was dropped and has not ever been spoken of since the 90s when the SL took place. Those years were also for the most part also the fake Jack and Jennifer years so IMO as a JnJ fan irrelevant to their history. On your other posts EJ is still not being honest with Sami about everything ie framing John and its only up for the PTB to decide who they want with whom and that still remains to be seen because this is still MarDar's writing.
Depends on the definition of 'hooking up,' but Yea, Kayla kind of did start falling for Shane soon after Steve died. It's not like she didn't even look at another man for a year, or something. The show might not mention it or the Jen/Peter years anymore, but they did happen, so they still count. If something stopped being relevant to the discussion after the show stopped bringing it up, there would be a lot less posts.
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I think its pretty safe to say they were. EJAMI BRADISON and CAFE got the favorable or rootable writing. In a soap it is fairly obvious who the writers want and I maintain IMO that the couples I listed were who they were going with on top of things they said in interviews and joining the Facebook page for EJAMI. Now with the writers change this direction will no doubt change as well but from all the spoilers that were very pro EJAMI the dialogue btwn them and the moments given to them all made wheree they were going very clear to me. Since November it was all their story and not anyone elses because Lucas has not been seen and Rafe shifted to Carrie's orbit as well as Nicole in Dan's again all MarDar.
I do not see how given that EJAMI are written totally different from the Mar/Dar formula of EJOLE, Bradison, LUMI et al which is to jump into bed at a whimp and given that Mar/Dar said they were not allowed to write their stories, why is EJAMI suddenly the exception? Grief Sex happened and EJ and Sami were still eons away from each other, so I do not see how they could have been written for since Nov; are the tickle fest obsolete then?

and what does joining EJAMI's FB have to do with anything? and how can anyone be confident that the new writers will move away from EJAMI, nothing has been said to negate that NBC are not the ones who wanted EJAMI to begin with and Tom/Sell wont be able to move away from that. Point is, it can go any which way, there is nothing set in stone, and we are all guessing at this point rather tham being able to make proclamations with any amount of confidence!
No writer that i kmow joins one fansite while ignoring others and thats just it maybe the EJAMI full blown story is in part what they werent allowed to tell because while EJAMI was always teased in the past no regime actually went there and m,ade EJ the villian to her relationships why we wont know but they didn't go there full steam ahead. Now IMO MarDar really wanted to go there but they were stopped. I mean the show has been heavily EJ and Sami centric. LUMI ' relationship was treated as an after thought and completely off screen. I don't think its just coincidental that there love scenes werent shown and the rate at wich they were just thrown together spelled doom. While IMO BRADISON EJAMI and CAFE have been building for six monts and Lucas and Nicole were temporary for Sami and EJ. Again see Daniel whose romp with Nicole was also shown on screen.
'like' a facebook page is not the same as joining a fansite, if it were FL then I would raise an eyebrow, but FB, nah!

the EJAMI getting closer scenes are only now ramping up, if they were stopped, why would that be. The timing for this theory is off IMO.....but either way, there is not surety in that statement either, because none of us know one way or the other.

EJAMI have not been building for six months; them sipping wine was at the end of March and unlike the others we have seen no jumping into bed, no proclamations of love, no getting back together on some level as a couple. They have instead started re-building the friendship of EJAMI!

and the show has been EJ and Sami centric for years; even when they were at war, so this is nothing new or something that is just Mar/Dar.
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I do not see how given that EJAMI are written totally different from the Mar/Dar formula of EJOLE, Bradison, LUMI et al which is to jump into bed at a whimp and given that Mar/Dar said they were not allowed to write their stories, why is EJAMI suddenly the exception? Grief Sex happened and EJ and Sami were still eons away from each other, so I do not see how they could have been written for since Nov; are the tickle fest obsolete then?

and what does joining EJAMI's FB have to do with anything? and how can anyone be confident that the new writers will move away from EJAMI, nothing has been said to negate that NBC are not the ones who wanted EJAMI to begin with and Tom/Sell wont be able to move away from that. Point is, it can go any which way, there is nothing set in stone, and we are all guessing at this point rather tham being able to make proclamations with any amount of confidence!
No writer that i kmow joins one fansite while ignoring others and thats just it maybe the EJAMI full blown story is in part what they werent allowed to tell because while EJAMI was always teased in the past no regime actually went there and m,ade EJ the villian to her relationships why we wont know but they didn't go there full steam ahead. Now IMO MarDar really wanted to go there but they were stopped. I mean the show has been heavily EJ and Sami centric. LUMI ' relationship was treated as an after thought and completely off screen. I don't think its just coincidental that there love scenes werent shown and the rate at wich they were just thrown together spelled doom. While IMO BRADISON EJAMI and CAFE have been building for six monts and Lucas and Nicole were temporary for Sami and EJ. Again see Daniel whose romp with Nicole was also shown on screen.
'like' a facebook page is not the same as joining a fansite, if it were FL then I would raise an eyebrow, but FB, nah!

the EJAMI getting closer scenes are only now ramping up, if they were stopped, why would that be. The timing for this theory is off IMO.....but either way, there is not surety in that statement either, because none of us know one way or the other.

EJAMI have not been building for six months; them sipping wine was at the end of March and unlike the others we have seen no jumping into bed, no proclamations of love, no getting back together on some level as a couple. They have instead started re-building the friendship of EJAMI!

and the show has been EJ and Sami centric for years; even when they were at war, so this is nothing new or something that is just Mar/Dar.
Okay, I accidently typed fansite but you get my point and the second the romp btwn them happened and they made the pact to keep it quiet is when their bonding IMO started. So I disagree there but even if It did in March to now is still more buildup than what LUMI got. Who they were not writing for. It was all EJ and Sami that their convos revolved around EJ or Will working for EJ and since the spoilers even for the next two weeks are very pro EJAMI they clearly were going with them in some capacity but I guess none of that matters now since whats airing now wont matter and I will give you that unless Mardar give an interview we wont really know but everything adds up and still doesn't take away that MarDAr gave them the most favorable writing IMO than anyone else. As for what TomSell do remains to be seen.
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She jumped in the sack with him with barely a blink, when did EJOLE talk about EJ trying to kill her? Dikki's convo does not equal EJOLE talking about it.

as for EJAMI, they are makign a point of showing them having trust issues because of their past, they are not willing to go down that road again because of how crazy they can both become and it is why after four months unlike every other pairing EJAMI have not hit the sack. Time is being taken to mold something out of the mess DH created.

Ejole have discussed those things. Yes Nicole did jump in the sack with Ej but it was just a day later she made him sign divorce papers because she felt she couldn't trust him because of their history. It didn't get glossed over and for me Dicole bringing up that incident at the pier does count because it relates to the bad part of Ejole's history.

Now compare that to what's going on with Ejami, all of a sudden their instant bffs, they gloss over Ej blackmailing Will. They have a dead Lexie pimping them when she knew that beast had no problem blowing her brother's brains out. They haven't dealt or discussed ANYTHING, instead they share a bottle of champagne and none of the bad things they have done to each other matter anymore.
so if Dicole bringing it up, then Lucas bringing up EJ's ill deeds this week will count for EJAMI, Lucas reminding Will in EJ's presence of EJ's ill deeds against Rafe and Sami will count for EJAMI as well.

Personally however, NAH! its takes the pair it happened to to trash it out, no third parties!

and while they did have EJ and Sami click over wine, since then, all off four months ago, we have constantly heard them make reference to what she/he did to the other, they are shocked at times that they are getting along and most importantly they have made no steps to being a couple. So if or when EJ and Sami get together and do not have a talk ala May 2008, then this applies to them.

when it comes to Will's so called blackmail, Sami trashing it out with EJ is not glossing it over, sure it was not her spitting venom, but you kinda have no leg to stand on when the person being blackmailed wants to be where he is. Imagine how Lucas and Sami will feel when they learn Will is blackmailing EJ to make him his Mini Me. lol
Well, the pair were trashing it out on the day. There was mostly talking going on than attempted murder. Nicole was telling EJ some home truths that he did not like hearing and he was advancing towards her again when Daniel turned up.

As for Sami and EJ the fact that they act shocked about them getting along, still doesn't explain anything to the audience to make the audience understand. Them acting shocked is not doing it for me. What EJ did to Sami was horrible. unforgivable really. It would take saints to forgive and move on as quickly and easily as those two, and we all know that Sami and EJ are far from being saints. Sami still hasn't forgiven her own mum after all these years, yet EJ has done far worst.

Sami shot EJ in the head and walked away, made love to Rafe and did not give EJ a second thought. She thought he was dead, and when she found out he wasn't she ordered the doctor to pull the plug on him. I could at least understand EJ forgiving Sami for shooting him. All he needed to do was to look back at all that he has done to her and realise that perhaps he did push her too far, making it easier for him to forgive her. But we have no idea because the writers seem to not think it important for us to be privy to his thoughts. Who knows, he probably haven't forgiven her and is doing his usual pretending.

So, we are at this stage where they are bff's, and only the writers know why, and she hears that he is blackmailing her son. She angrily goes to confront him and it did not take EJ long for her to back down. She ends up smiling with EJ as she leaves. She got no results from having confronted him because the situation remained that EJ was still blackmailing her son.

It is irrelevant to me whehter or not Will loves working for EJ. If Sami is someone EJ is suppose to care about and others say that he loves, the fact that she is unhappy about Will is working for him, should at least make him consider letting Will go. Will can't force his way into his employ so, he would have no choice but to go if EJ said so. If will wants training so badly there is other companies. His gran is a business woman and I would think he would trust her more than he does EJ.

Also, the fact that Will got to blackmail EJ so easily is plain ridiculous. They had to turn EJ stupid for that to happen. If what we are seeing of Will right now on screen is a mini EJ, well not liking him one bit. I am seriously bored with Will and EJ scenes. It's too much. I hope they put him with his own age group soon and I wisht the writers will give EJ a friend closer to his own age and male.
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No writer that i kmow joins one fansite while ignoring others and thats just it maybe the EJAMI full blown story is in part what they werent allowed to tell because while EJAMI was always teased in the past no regime actually went there and m,ade EJ the villian to her relationships why we wont know but they didn't go there full steam ahead. Now IMO MarDar really wanted to go there but they were stopped. I mean the show has been heavily EJ and Sami centric. LUMI ' relationship was treated as an after thought and completely off screen. I don't think its just coincidental that there love scenes werent shown and the rate at wich they were just thrown together spelled doom. While IMO BRADISON EJAMI and CAFE have been building for six monts and Lucas and Nicole were temporary for Sami and EJ. Again see Daniel whose romp with Nicole was also shown on screen.
'like' a facebook page is not the same as joining a fansite, if it were FL then I would raise an eyebrow, but FB, nah!

the EJAMI getting closer scenes are only now ramping up, if they were stopped, why would that be. The timing for this theory is off IMO.....but either way, there is not surety in that statement either, because none of us know one way or the other.

EJAMI have not been building for six months; them sipping wine was at the end of March and unlike the others we have seen no jumping into bed, no proclamations of love, no getting back together on some level as a couple. They have instead started re-building the friendship of EJAMI!

and the show has been EJ and Sami centric for years; even when they were at war, so this is nothing new or something that is just Mar/Dar.
Okay I accidently typed fansite but you get my point and the second the romp btwn them happened and they made the pact to keep it quiet is when their bonding started. So I disagree there but even if I did March to know is still more buildup than what LUMI got. Who they were not writing for. It was all EJ and Sami that their convos rvolved around or EJ working for Will and since the spoilers even for the next two weeks are very pro EJAMI they clearly were going with them but I guess none of that matters now since whats airing now wont matter and I will give you that unless Mardar give an interview we wont really know but everything adds up and still doesn't take away that MarDAr gave them the most favorable writing IMO than anyone else. As for what TomSell do remains to be seen.
they agreed to keep the secret but there sure as hell was no bonding, not even a little bit......case in point Sydney's birthday party.

as for LUMI, good riddance.

and again, how do you know it wont matter; because of Ryan's statement; he also said EJOLE's baby is a non issue to EJAMI fans. so really, EJAMI could very well be NBC dictated and the reappearance of Stephano, the EJ still being a Dimera are what Ryan meant. so who knows, no room for any proclamations!
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'like' a facebook page is not the same as joining a fansite, if it were FL then I would raise an eyebrow, but FB, nah!

the EJAMI getting closer scenes are only now ramping up, if they were stopped, why would that be. The timing for this theory is off IMO.....but either way, there is not surety in that statement either, because none of us know one way or the other.

EJAMI have not been building for six months; them sipping wine was at the end of March and unlike the others we have seen no jumping into bed, no proclamations of love, no getting back together on some level as a couple. They have instead started re-building the friendship of EJAMI!

and the show has been EJ and Sami centric for years; even when they were at war, so this is nothing new or something that is just Mar/Dar.
Okay I accidently typed fansite but you get my point and the second the romp btwn them happened and they made the pact to keep it quiet is when their bonding started. So I disagree there but even if I did March to know is still more buildup than what LUMI got. Who they were not writing for. It was all EJ and Sami that their convos rvolved around or EJ working for Will and since the spoilers even for the next two weeks are very pro EJAMI they clearly were going with them but I guess none of that matters now since whats airing now wont matter and I will give you that unless Mardar give an interview we wont really know but everything adds up and still doesn't take away that MarDAr gave them the most favorable writing IMO than anyone else. As for what TomSell do remains to be seen.
they agreed to keep the secret but there sure as hell was no bonding, not even a little bit......case in point Sydney's birthday party.

as for LUMI, good riddance.

and again, how do you know it wont matter; because of Ryan's statement; he also said EJOLE's baby is a non issue to EJAMI fans. so really, EJAMI could very well be NBC dictated and the reappearance of Stephano, the EJ still being a Dimera are what Ryan meant. so who knows, no room for any proclamations!
I am going by what I have seen on screen under MarDar's pen and that is building to EJAMI and I say that as a SAFE fan without bias. Wether it happened later this summer or in the fall they were writing for them period. So we will have to agree to disagree here. What TomSell do is anyones guess but if NBC, if they are in charge as much as some say would have just kept MarDar IMO if they wanted EJAMI. But we shall see and I am not making any "proclamations" just stating my opinion that I never said was fact.
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Ejole have discussed those things. Yes Nicole did jump in the sack with Ej but it was just a day later she made him sign divorce papers because she felt she couldn't trust him because of their history. It didn't get glossed over and for me Dicole bringing up that incident at the pier does count because it relates to the bad part of Ejole's history.

Now compare that to what's going on with Ejami, all of a sudden their instant bffs, they gloss over Ej blackmailing Will. They have a dead Lexie pimping them when she knew that beast had no problem blowing her brother's brains out. They haven't dealt or discussed ANYTHING, instead they share a bottle of champagne and none of the bad things they have done to each other matter anymore.
so if Dicole bringing it up, then Lucas bringing up EJ's ill deeds this week will count for EJAMI, Lucas reminding Will in EJ's presence of EJ's ill deeds against Rafe and Sami will count for EJAMI as well.

Personally however, NAH! its takes the pair it happened to to trash it out, no third parties!

and while they did have EJ and Sami click over wine, since then, all off four months ago, we have constantly heard them make reference to what she/he did to the other, they are shocked at times that they are getting along and most importantly they have made no steps to being a couple. So if or when EJ and Sami get together and do not have a talk ala May 2008, then this applies to them.

when it comes to Will's so called blackmail, Sami trashing it out with EJ is not glossing it over, sure it was not her spitting venom, but you kinda have no leg to stand on when the person being blackmailed wants to be where he is. Imagine how Lucas and Sami will feel when they learn Will is blackmailing EJ to make him his Mini Me. lol
Well, the pair were trashing it out on the day. There was mostly talking going on than attempted murder. Nicole was telling EJ some home truths that he did not like hearing and he was advancing towards her again when Daniel turned up.

As for Sami and EJ the fact that they act shocked about them getting along, still doesn't explain anything to the audience to make the audience understand. Them acting shocked is not doing it for me. What EJ did to Sami was horrible. unforgivable really. It would take saints to forgive and move on as quickly and easily as those two, and we all know that Sami and EJ are far from being saints. Sami still hasn't forgiven her own mum after all these years, yet EJ has done far worst.

Sami shot EJ in the head and walked away, made love to Rafe and did not give EJ a second thought. She thought he was dead, and when she found out he wasn't she ordered the doctor to pull the plug on him. I could at least understand EJ forgiving Sami for shooting him. All he needed to do was to look back at all that he has done to her and realise that perhaps he did push her too far, making it easier for him to forgive her. But we have no idea because the writers seem to not think it important for us to be privy to his thoughts. Who knows, he probably haven't forgiven her and is doing his usual pretending.

So, we are at this stage where they are bff's, and only the writers know why, and she hears that he is blackmailing her son. She angrily goes to confront him and it did not take EJ long for her to back down. She ends up smiling with EJ as she leaves. She got no results from having confronted him because the situation remained that EJ was still blackmailing her son.

It is irrelevant to me whehter or not Will loves working for EJ. If Sami is someone EJ is suppose to care about and others say that he loves, the fact that she is unhappy about Will is working for him, should at least make him consider letting Will go. Will can't force his way into his employ so, he would have no choice but to go if EJ said so. If will wants training so badly there is other companies. His gran is a business woman and I would think he would trust her more than he does EJ.

Also, the fact that Will got to blackmail EJ so easily is plain ridiculous. They had to turn EJ stupid for that to happen. If what we are seeing of Will right now on screen is a mini EJ, well not liking him one bit. I am seriously bored with Will and EJ scenes. It's too much. I hope they put him with his own age group soon and I wisht the writers will give EJ a friend closer to his own age and male.
he did more than advance on her, his hands were around her neck and like Nicole repeatedly said, Daniel stopped EJ from killing her. It was his intent, he even told Lexie before he left the Dimansion.

EJ and Sami have both done horrible things to each other, they are on an even platform from where I am standing AND until they are prepared to take the next step and do more than co-parent, more than what they have established now is not necessary. Getting along for the kids is where they are at now, EJ and Sami the couple however will take more.

They have set it up that EJILL (who I love BTW) are a separate relationship for the most part from Sami. They deal on their own terms and both prefer no outside interference, so EJ liking/loving Sami has nothing to do with it.

EJ obviously LOVES having Will near him, he reminds him of someone he adores quite a bit and if Will wants to remain at his side, why shouldn't he let him. As JS said at the emmys, EJ connects with Will in a very constructive way, and he does not have a lot of that in his life; so why would EJ just let that go.

As for Will getting to blackmail Will, yep the way he found the ammo was eye rolling, however they have not had EJ rolling over and playing dead......he finally has someone who emulates him and you could see the pride in him alongside him making it clear to Will that if he goes too far he will take him down. lol......such a great push and pull and dynamic!
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Okay I accidently typed fansite but you get my point and the second the romp btwn them happened and they made the pact to keep it quiet is when their bonding started. So I disagree there but even if I did March to know is still more buildup than what LUMI got. Who they were not writing for. It was all EJ and Sami that their convos rvolved around or EJ working for Will and since the spoilers even for the next two weeks are very pro EJAMI they clearly were going with them but I guess none of that matters now since whats airing now wont matter and I will give you that unless Mardar give an interview we wont really know but everything adds up and still doesn't take away that MarDAr gave them the most favorable writing IMO than anyone else. As for what TomSell do remains to be seen.
they agreed to keep the secret but there sure as hell was no bonding, not even a little bit......case in point Sydney's birthday party.

as for LUMI, good riddance.

and again, how do you know it wont matter; because of Ryan's statement; he also said EJOLE's baby is a non issue to EJAMI fans. so really, EJAMI could very well be NBC dictated and the reappearance of Stephano, the EJ still being a Dimera are what Ryan meant. so who knows, no room for any proclamations!
I am going by what I have seen on screen under MarDar's pen and that is building to EJAMI and I say that as a SAFE fan without bias. Wether it happened later this summer or in the fall they were writing for them period. So we will have to agree to disagree here. What TomSell do is anyones guess but if NBC, if they are in charge as much as some say would have just kept MarDar IMO if they wanted EJAMI. But we shall see and I am not making any "proclamations" just stating my opinion that I never said was fact.
I am an EJAMI fan and I never thought they were enough to make or break a writer; I mean Mar'Dar being fired couldn't possibly be because their pacing sucked, Alamania and Alice in Wonderland sucked, and that NBC wanted people who could do their direction some justice!
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IMO, there's no way MarDar were fired over couples. If someone's storytelling abilities are up to par and they start going in a direction that you don't like, it makes way more sense for those in charge to say "stop going in that direction," than to fire them and hurt the morale behind the scenes. Soaps are on shaky enough ground all on their own without capriciously firing people. That would be kind of like moving out because your bf keeps buying Ruffles, instead of just saying you'd prefer Lays.
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they agreed to keep the secret but there sure as hell was no bonding, not even a little bit......case in point Sydney's birthday party.

as for LUMI, good riddance.

and again, how do you know it wont matter; because of Ryan's statement; he also said EJOLE's baby is a non issue to EJAMI fans. so really, EJAMI could very well be NBC dictated and the reappearance of Stephano, the EJ still being a Dimera are what Ryan meant. so who knows, no room for any proclamations!
I am going by what I have seen on screen under MarDar's pen and that is building to EJAMI and I say that as a SAFE fan without bias. Wether it happened later this summer or in the fall they were writing for them period. So we will have to agree to disagree here. What TomSell do is anyones guess but if NBC, if they are in charge as much as some say would have just kept MarDar IMO if they wanted EJAMI. But we shall see and I am not making any "proclamations" just stating my opinion that I never said was fact.
I am an EJAMI fan and I never thought they were enough to make or break a writer; I mean Mar'Dar being fired couldn't possibly be because their pacing sucked, Alamania and Alice in Wonderland sucked, and that NBC wanted people who could do their direction some justice!
We can definately agree that all their stories sucked and like I said we will just have to wait and see what TomSell do, which we will find out soon enough.
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IMO, there's no way MarDar were fired over couples. If someone's storytelling abilities are up to par and they start going in a direction that you don't like, it makes way more sense for those in charge to say "stop going in that direction," than to fire them and hurt the morale behind the scenes. Soaps are on shaky enough ground all on their own without upsetting things for capricious reasons. That would be kind of like moving out because your bf keeps buying Ruffles, instead of just saying you'd prefer Lays.
I totally and completely agree with this.
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The only thing that I want Tomlin/Whitesell to do is pull the plug on the 'will-they'won't they' shit. Just do it already and let it sticckk.
I am ready to move onto Kristen/John/Marlena/Nicole/Eric/Bo/Hope/Jack.
Hell, anything new except Ejamicus round 1065.
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The only thing that I want Tomlin/Whitesell to do is pull the plug on the 'will-they'won't they' shit. Just do it already and let it sticckk.
I am ready to move onto Kristen/John/Marlena/Nicole/Eric/Bo/Hope/Jack.
Hell, anything new except Ejamicus round 1065.
In the words of Nike, just do it.
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...and put this to rest once and for all.
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Amen, amen, amen! :rockon:
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so if Dicole bringing it up, then Lucas bringing up EJ's ill deeds this week will count for EJAMI, Lucas reminding Will in EJ's presence of EJ's ill deeds against Rafe and Sami will count for EJAMI as well.

Personally however, NAH! its takes the pair it happened to to trash it out, no third parties!

and while they did have EJ and Sami click over wine, since then, all off four months ago, we have constantly heard them make reference to what she/he did to the other, they are shocked at times that they are getting along and most importantly they have made no steps to being a couple. So if or when EJ and Sami get together and do not have a talk ala May 2008, then this applies to them.

when it comes to Will's so called blackmail, Sami trashing it out with EJ is not glossing it over, sure it was not her spitting venom, but you kinda have no leg to stand on when the person being blackmailed wants to be where he is. Imagine how Lucas and Sami will feel when they learn Will is blackmailing EJ to make him his Mini Me. lol
Well, the pair were trashing it out on the day. There was mostly talking going on than attempted murder. Nicole was telling EJ some home truths that he did not like hearing and he was advancing towards her again when Daniel turned up.

As for Sami and EJ the fact that they act shocked about them getting along, still doesn't explain anything to the audience to make the audience understand. Them acting shocked is not doing it for me. What EJ did to Sami was horrible. unforgivable really. It would take saints to forgive and move on as quickly and easily as those two, and we all know that Sami and EJ are far from being saints. Sami still hasn't forgiven her own mum after all these years, yet EJ has done far worst.

Sami shot EJ in the head and walked away, made love to Rafe and did not give EJ a second thought. She thought he was dead, and when she found out he wasn't she ordered the doctor to pull the plug on him. I could at least understand EJ forgiving Sami for shooting him. All he needed to do was to look back at all that he has done to her and realise that perhaps he did push her too far, making it easier for him to forgive her. But we have no idea because the writers seem to not think it important for us to be privy to his thoughts. Who knows, he probably haven't forgiven her and is doing his usual pretending.

So, we are at this stage where they are bff's, and only the writers know why, and she hears that he is blackmailing her son. She angrily goes to confront him and it did not take EJ long for her to back down. She ends up smiling with EJ as she leaves. She got no results from having confronted him because the situation remained that EJ was still blackmailing her son.

It is irrelevant to me whehter or not Will loves working for EJ. If Sami is someone EJ is suppose to care about and others say that he loves, the fact that she is unhappy about Will is working for him, should at least make him consider letting Will go. Will can't force his way into his employ so, he would have no choice but to go if EJ said so. If will wants training so badly there is other companies. His gran is a business woman and I would think he would trust her more than he does EJ.

Also, the fact that Will got to blackmail EJ so easily is plain ridiculous. They had to turn EJ stupid for that to happen. If what we are seeing of Will right now on screen is a mini EJ, well not liking him one bit. I am seriously bored with Will and EJ scenes. It's too much. I hope they put him with his own age group soon and I wisht the writers will give EJ a friend closer to his own age and male.
he did more than advance on her, his hands were around her neck and like Nicole repeatedly said, Daniel stopped EJ from killing her. It was his intent, he even told Lexie before he left the Dimansion.

EJ and Sami have both done horrible things to each other, they are on an even platform from where I am standing AND until they are prepared to take the next step and do more than co-parent, more than what they have established now is not necessary. Getting along for the kids is where they are at now, EJ and Sami the couple however will take more.

They have set it up that EJILL (who I love BTW) are a separate relationship for the most part from Sami. They deal on their own terms and both prefer no outside interference, so EJ liking/loving Sami has nothing to do with it.

EJ obviously LOVES having Will near him, he reminds him of someone he adores quite a bit and if Will wants to remain at his side, why shouldn't he let him. As JS said at the emmys, EJ connects with Will in a very constructive way, and he does not have a lot of that in his life; so why would EJ just let that go.

As for Will getting to blackmail Will, yep the way he found the ammo was eye rolling, however they have not had EJ rolling over and playing dead......he finally has someone who emulates him and you could see the pride in him alongside him making it clear to Will that if he goes too far he will take him down. lol......such a great push and pull and dynamic!
I watched the scene, his hands were around her neck but he did not even squeeze. It was very easy for Nicole to remove it and she did. There was no struggle going on to say that Nicole was fighting for her life. She was scared and he was drunk. He was in accusatory mode and Nicole was talking back to him. As I said, she was telling him a few home truths that he did not want to hear, he advanced again when Daniel turned up. That's how i remember it and not once throughout that scene did I think Nicole was in danger of being murdered by EJ.

If EJ and Sami was just getting along for the kids sake only, and it was shown that they are only getting on for the kids sake, that I could understand but, that is not what is happening. After the griefsex, EJ buys her an appartment moves next door and is kissing her and she did not back away. There was no struggle on her part for him to let her go. Then the scenes where he got wet and had to strip, then the suposedly sexual tensions. Some more sexual tensions coming up and where are the kids in all these scenes. Nowhere to be seen. I can count on one hand the amount of times they have shown EJ with the kids since he has moved next door. That is where the problem lies, Sami willing to kiss and have sex with EJ after all the things he has done to her.

As for Will, Sami is his mother. Neither Sami or Lucas should be excluded from his life just because he wants to spend time with EJ. Well the writers are not excluding her because they happened to write that she found out about EJ blackmailing Will. This made her upset and angry. They had her confronting him about it so, EJ and Will are not in their own little world with the exclusion of everybody else. The fact that Sami approached EJ and expressed her concerns and asked him to let her son go. If he cared that much, I beleive he would. Instead he guilted her into walking away from any further confrontation.


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Well, the pair were trashing it out on the day. There was mostly talking going on than attempted murder. Nicole was telling EJ some home truths that he did not like hearing and he was advancing towards her again when Daniel turned up.

As for Sami and EJ the fact that they act shocked about them getting along, still doesn't explain anything to the audience to make the audience understand. Them acting shocked is not doing it for me. What EJ did to Sami was horrible. unforgivable really. It would take saints to forgive and move on as quickly and easily as those two, and we all know that Sami and EJ are far from being saints. Sami still hasn't forgiven her own mum after all these years, yet EJ has done far worst.

Sami shot EJ in the head and walked away, made love to Rafe and did not give EJ a second thought. She thought he was dead, and when she found out he wasn't she ordered the doctor to pull the plug on him. I could at least understand EJ forgiving Sami for shooting him. All he needed to do was to look back at all that he has done to her and realise that perhaps he did push her too far, making it easier for him to forgive her. But we have no idea because the writers seem to not think it important for us to be privy to his thoughts. Who knows, he probably haven't forgiven her and is doing his usual pretending.

So, we are at this stage where they are bff's, and only the writers know why, and she hears that he is blackmailing her son. She angrily goes to confront him and it did not take EJ long for her to back down. She ends up smiling with EJ as she leaves. She got no results from having confronted him because the situation remained that EJ was still blackmailing her son.

It is irrelevant to me whehter or not Will loves working for EJ. If Sami is someone EJ is suppose to care about and others say that he loves, the fact that she is unhappy about Will is working for him, should at least make him consider letting Will go. Will can't force his way into his employ so, he would have no choice but to go if EJ said so. If will wants training so badly there is other companies. His gran is a business woman and I would think he would trust her more than he does EJ.

Also, the fact that Will got to blackmail EJ so easily is plain ridiculous. They had to turn EJ stupid for that to happen. If what we are seeing of Will right now on screen is a mini EJ, well not liking him one bit. I am seriously bored with Will and EJ scenes. It's too much. I hope they put him with his own age group soon and I wisht the writers will give EJ a friend closer to his own age and male.
he did more than advance on her, his hands were around her neck and like Nicole repeatedly said, Daniel stopped EJ from killing her. It was his intent, he even told Lexie before he left the Dimansion.

EJ and Sami have both done horrible things to each other, they are on an even platform from where I am standing AND until they are prepared to take the next step and do more than co-parent, more than what they have established now is not necessary. Getting along for the kids is where they are at now, EJ and Sami the couple however will take more.

They have set it up that EJILL (who I love BTW) are a separate relationship for the most part from Sami. They deal on their own terms and both prefer no outside interference, so EJ liking/loving Sami has nothing to do with it.

EJ obviously LOVES having Will near him, he reminds him of someone he adores quite a bit and if Will wants to remain at his side, why shouldn't he let him. As JS said at the emmys, EJ connects with Will in a very constructive way, and he does not have a lot of that in his life; so why would EJ just let that go.

As for Will getting to blackmail Will, yep the way he found the ammo was eye rolling, however they have not had EJ rolling over and playing dead......he finally has someone who emulates him and you could see the pride in him alongside him making it clear to Will that if he goes too far he will take him down. lol......such a great push and pull and dynamic!
I watched the scene, his hands were around her neck but he did not even squeeze. It was very easy for Nicole to remove it and she did. There was no struggle going on to say that Nicole was fighting for her life. She was scared and he was drunk. He was in accusatory mode and Nicole was talking back to him. As I said, she was telling him a few home truths that he did not want to hear, he advanced again when Daniel turned up. That's how i remember it and not once throughout that scene did I think Nicole was in danger of being murdered by EJ.

If EJ and Sami was just getting along for the kids sake only, and it was shown that they are only getting on for the kids sake, that I could understand but, that is not what is happening. After the griefsex, EJ buys her an appartment moves next door and is kissing her and she did not back away. There was no struggle on her part for him to let her go. Then the scenes where he got wet and had to strip, then the suposedly sexual tensions. Some more sexual tensions coming up and where are the kids in all these scenes. Nowhere to be seen. I can count on one hand the amount of times they have shown EJ with the kids since he has moved next door. That is where the problem lies, Sami willing to kiss and have sex with EJ after all the things he has done to her.

As for Will, Sami is his mother. Neither Sami or Lucas should be excluded from his life just because he wants to spend time with EJ. Well the writers are not excluding her because they happened to write that she found out about EJ blackmailing Will. This made her upset and angry. They had her confronting him about it so, EJ and Will are not in their own little world with the exclusion of everybody else. The fact that Sami approached EJ and expressed her concerns and asked him to let her son go. If he cared that much, I beleive he would. Instead he guilted her into walking away from any further confrontation.


I saw the scenes as well many times, even read James interview where he talked about choosing to not go full out, but at the end of the day his actions were still quite clear and Nicole herself right after said EJ tried to kill her. There really was no room for interpretation.

A statement such as after the grief sex makes it out as if it happened right after, when in reality it was a whole six months after more fighting and what not. So six months down the road, Sami found herself in some trouble and EJ with no romantic intentions helped her out for her sake and that of her children. They are on the road to more now, but they are not there yet so there is still time for any trash out to happen.

It has nothing to do with EJ and Will being in their own little world and those most certainly were not my words......what I said and I reiterate is that EJ and Will's relationship is not going to be dictated by Sami and what she wants. They are defining it themselves as it should be and Sami just has to deal. EJ and Sami's friendship is not defined by him doing things to please her only, like it used to be in the past and I love it!
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I saw the scenes as well many times, even read James interview where he talked about choosing to not go full out, but at the end of the day his actions were still quite clear and Nicole herself right after said EJ tried to kill her. There really was no room for interpretation.
JS and AZ were not on the same page as to how to play those scenes. JS decided not to go for the full choke, but then AZ sat around in the latter scenes rubbing her neck as if EJ had really hurt Nicole.
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I saw the scenes as well many times, even read James interview where he talked about choosing to not go full out, but at the end of the day his actions were still quite clear and Nicole herself right after said EJ tried to kill her. There really was no room for interpretation.
JS and AZ were not on the same page as to how to play those scenes. JS decided not to go for the full choke, but then AZ sat around in the latter scenes rubbing her neck as if EJ had really hurt Nicole.
JS said he did not go all out as the script dictated, but obviously AZ did and ultimately it is the script that mattered and everything Nicole has said since then is in line with this......he tried to kill her.
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