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| px780 | Jun 27 2012, 08:13 PM Post #321 |
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I think Kristen should hate everyone, except for perhaps her minions...only they won't know it until it's too late. |
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| Matt | Jun 27 2012, 10:40 PM Post #322 |
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Classic Soap Fan
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As god as my witness, we need to greatly de-camp the soap opera genre. IMO, it needs to be far more serialized drama and far less Soapdish. |
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| Killer Tomato | Jun 27 2012, 11:28 PM Post #323 |
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Were Kristen and Hope friends? I just want to see them next to each other so I can compare their bone structure and figure. I always thought they had a similar look and are very beautiful. |
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| IMissAremid | Jun 27 2012, 11:58 PM Post #324 |
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-She was married to/siblings with Tony/Andre DiMera. -She worked for Alice Horton. -She sometimes conspired with Vivian and Celeste. -She helped John find Belle after the kidnapping and was a front-row witness to Sami's teenage delinquency. |
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| IMissAremid | Jun 28 2012, 12:08 AM Post #325 |
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I don't really remember Kristen and Hope being friends but their stories often overlapped. Like Kristen learning about Maison Blanche led to Hope/Gina being discovered there, both were guests at Jennifer and Peter's wedding in Aremid, Hope went with John, Kristen and Stefano to hunt down the cure for Roman's disease in the jungle, etc... eta: Here's an old promo pic I found from that jungle storyline. Posted Image Not sure if that image shows up or not for others because it's from a tripod site but in case not: http://annabella123.tripod.com/airport.html |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 28 2012, 12:14 AM Post #326 |
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I'm not a fan of the outlandish kind of stuff but I think there needs to be at least a little camp. Even in the 60's and 70's, there was a little bit of campy melodrama. If you take it out mostly or completely, you end up with what MarDar tried to pass off this past year. |
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| Kenny | Jun 28 2012, 12:23 AM Post #327 |
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I think a soap should always take itself seriously, but that doesn't mean they can't sometimes tell stories that are over-the-top and fantastical. Take 'The Secret Room' for example. That story was over-the-top and full of camp but it was highly entertaining and many people list it as their favorite story ever. As long as it doesn't veer off into cuckoo land where everything is just crazy (see Reilly's second run) I think a little camp is fine. There just has to be a balance. |
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| IMissAremid | Jun 28 2012, 12:26 AM Post #328 |
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I became a fan of DAYS because of JER so it feels weird to be saying this, but I think I actually agree with Matt that some de-camping needs to happen. I think it's because I decided that camp is one thing when it's tied to supernatural/crazy elements like stories about possession or witches or things that involve really lavish costumes or special effects. But camp in everyday run-of-the-mill storylines now that the daytime soaps don't have the budget to pull off high camp just doesn't quite work the same for me. It's like the writers and producers are making fun of the daytime soap genre or something. At some point, the daytime soaps have gotten just so utterly disconnected from real life and I don't know how they ever reconnect, but it seems to be that reconnecting is vital if at least one of these shows is to remain still on the air 10 years from now. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 28 2012, 12:28 AM Post #329 |
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^Exactly. The show needs to stay grounded for the most part. It's just hard to make a soap feel like a soap if there is no camp. I mean, the situations that are so prevalent on soaps call for melodrama to be a factor. You just can't veer too far in any one direction. You can't be too realistic and you can't be too campy or outlandish. You want to make sure you have the "escapism" feel though because that is often what drives people to watching soaps. I mean, that doesn't mean you do possession or something like that. That isn't what I mean by camp. What I mean is the kind of classic reactions you get when something big happens. For example, Kenny posted a clip a few weeks ago featuring Kristen reacting to John proposing to Marlena at the Penthouse Grille. She let out a loud scream. That is the kind of camp I'm talking about. Melodrama. When you play things too straight, it gets way too dry. Days has been doing that under MarDar and that has led to a show that lacks punch. Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jun 28 2012, 12:31 AM.
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| Kenny | Jun 28 2012, 12:31 AM Post #330 |
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Darrell and Marlene went the "real life" route and it was a total bore. I watch soaps for the escapism. Once things get too mundane, I check out. |
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| annie21 | Jun 28 2012, 12:49 AM Post #331 |
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So you're saying two private investigators trying to rescue an old lady's cat, followed by the two of them sitting in their un-air conditioned office, stripping down to their undershirts and rubbing themselves with ice cubes while cheesy music plays is real-life and completely devoid of camp? ETA: I could go on. Edited by annie21, Jun 28 2012, 12:51 AM.
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 28 2012, 12:58 AM Post #332 |
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No, that's bad camp (the kind I think the show should steer away from) and that was one instance in what was nearly a year of MarDar writing. Sure, there was a few instances but they were few and far between, especially for a soap and especially for Days. I just want simple moment of it. A little bit here and there, like the example in my last post. |
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| Southofsoap | Jun 28 2012, 01:19 AM Post #333 |
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Kristen was in Hope's wedding party in her aborted marriage to Bo in 1996 (the one where they found Bo and Billie together in the morning). There are some scenes with Kristen being quite bitchy in the background, which is great - she didn't care much for anything at that stage except her baby with John and keeping Marlena away. Edited by Southofsoap, Jun 28 2012, 01:23 AM.
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| nickyj12345 | Jun 28 2012, 01:30 AM Post #334 |
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The definition of camp, according to NickyJ12345 - Kristen and Marlena, locked in the Secret Room, watch in horror as John and Susan (masquerading as Kristen) make love. Susan (as Kristen) is doing her best to conceal her Elvis tattoo from John, a surefire giveaway that the woman in his arms is not Kristen. Socks. Seduction. Pork rinds. Cutting barbs on bedroom skills and weight. Comedy gold from Deidre Hall and Eileen Davidson. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 28 2012, 01:34 AM Post #335 |
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^Yep. That is something the show doesn't do much of anymore. It's not very fun. The show could stand to have a bit more of a lightness and even dabble in some comedic moments like the one you posted. Ron and Frank brought that to OLTL and have also brought a little of that to GH. I wouldn't do too much of it but I think Days really could use it. It's all doom and gloom all the time and, when it isn't, it's just the usual cheesy crap between couples. The problem is Days doesn't have characters around that can bring that naturally like they did before with Vivian, Ivan, Rolf, Bart, Hattie, etc. |
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| IMissAremid | Jun 28 2012, 02:01 AM Post #336 |
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I watch soaps for the escapism rather than the mundane also. But I guess what I mean in terms of feeling disconnected to real life is just the plausibility and strength of the writing making me feel like I am really experiencing real character's lives. For instance, I felt more connected to seeing Marlena float over a bed possessed than I do Nicole hiding her baby from EJ, even though a mother lying about a pregnancy is technically more plausible in real life than possession. But the writing and execution and everything just made that story more real. I think it's just the way these cliched stories are written that they don't allow me to escape into them the same way. And I don't know exactly how to explain it other than I've been thinking a little bit about how to improve soaps based on some marathon netflix streaming of Mad Men recently and discovering what a good soap opera that show is. I mean it has so many classic daytime elements with constant infidelity, lying and secrets over pregnancies, women obsessed with getting married, random flashes of violence and occasional fistfights, surprise deaths and betrayals, and yet the world that show has created feels real to me in a way that daytime soaps simply don't any more. |
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| Killer Tomato | Jun 28 2012, 02:19 AM Post #337 |
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I love it! Thank you both for sharing that info and the pics. I missed a huge chunk of story material during those few years Eileen was on Days as Kristen since I was in high school at the time but I'm so excited that she might possibly be back!! And seeing her in scenes with Hope will great to see these beauties side by side. Can't wait!!! :cart: |
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| granolagirl | Jun 28 2012, 02:23 AM Post #338 |
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Yeah, Mad Men is pure soap. I think there are elements of campiness in characters like Roger, Bert, Pete, even Joan, but it's more restrained than in daytime soaps, and the consequences of things feel more real. For me, the issue with camp is that all the other ducks have to be in a row. If you're going to have Marlena possessed and floating over a bed, then hit every beat in that story and show me how everyone feels about it, because that's how I'll feel connected. It seemed like what Matt was saying was less camp, but higher quality serialized storytelling in its place. It's probably necessary for both modes of soap (OTT or more down to earth). I've enjoyed both when well done, but inconsistency and whiplash and poor pacing can kill either. |
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| Kenny | Jun 28 2012, 02:30 AM Post #339 |
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So basically what it boils down to is better writing, period. I think we can all agree the show could use more of that. |
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| tylerbo20 | Jun 28 2012, 02:32 AM Post #340 |
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So she won't share scenes with drake or deidre lol? |
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