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| Dreamer | Jun 28 2012, 12:26 PM Post #121 |
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Gone, But Not Forgotten!
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I still can't comprehend why TPTB would feel the need to kill off Jack. 1st of all, he just got back to his family after a being held hostage for over a year in an Afghan cave. Re-traumatizing his family and his character all over again is so lame and really not required. I'd much prefer a simple exit that makes sense to the current, yet almost non-existent Jack SL. Having Jack experience a severe PTSD episode, where he requires in-house treatment at a facility or that he decides to go off to NY to work on his new book, would suffice. Since Jack has been irrelevant on canvas over the last several months, why bother with a huge send off? Jack's potential demise is stupid and would only feed the need to end JnJ once and for all, but DAYS doesn't have the balls to cut ties with MA and kill off his character. As a loyal fan, I feel that the character and actor are wrongfully mistreated. If MA was a lousy actor and was hugely disliked by DAYS fans, I could see the need to toss him out in a lame ending, but this is not the case. Without TPTB acknowledgement of their misjudgement and inability to write for such a powerful character, racked with endless SL possibilities, does not sit well with me. I don't believe writers can't write for Jack, I strongly feel that this is a cop out. DAYS can write for anyone, so all I can see, is that MA refuses to make any significant changes to Jack's character and in turn creates conflict with the writing staff, he is shown the door. MA's integrity to keep his character recognizablable should be applauded and appreciated, Jack doesn't need to be all 'happy', 'dark' Jack was some of MA's best work. MA could have easily been used in SC's place with Nicole's SL. So again, I ask why does Jack need to be killed off for the 100th time?
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| Mitchapalooza | Jun 28 2012, 12:27 PM Post #122 |
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I am almost happy they are killing him off...I fear what they would have him do (ie: abandon his family AGAIN)...as sad as it is...I welcome death over more off-screen character trashing. |
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| Dreamer | Jun 28 2012, 12:33 PM Post #123 |
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Gone, But Not Forgotten!
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Yes, but if it is a death that is unconfirmed, it may as well be another abandonment. TPTB just can't have Jack waltz back into town one day, without making him look like an idiot. Lost, kidnapped, or having amnesia, it all plays into a character that has to suck up blame once again. For once, I'd like to see Jack not responsible for dying or leaving his family. |
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| annie21 | Jun 28 2012, 02:05 PM Post #124 |
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There's no need to blame MA for this firing. Like PM, CC, and SJB, he got a call and was told the new writers were coming and wouldn't be writing for him. No one has even said that he had a chance to meet with the new/old team to "have a falling out" over the character's direction. He was summarily axed. Plain and simple. It was a straight-forward business decision this time -- Jack was already backburnered. He was older, had no strong ties to the current darlings. He was part of the re-set that the new/old writers were systematically dismantling. Lots of reasons for them to cut the character that have nothing to do with the actor. The real question is why they kept Jennifer. Probably because KC put his foot down. This is why, as much as MA praises KC, I'm not sure I buy it. KC has been willing to go to bat for others in the past. I think he did it this time for the DHs. But I've never felt that -- even if the decision was imposed from above -- KC bothered to fight to keep MA. He may not hate him, but he doesn't seem like a stalwart ally either. You're right. There was no reason to kill off Jack again. He could have gone on a book tour. He could have decided to spend some time with JJ. No reason to get rid of him except one: They wanted to free up Jennifer to pair her with someone else. That's always the reason for this show. They did it before in 2010 (with Tomlin at the helm). And they're doing it again. They're doing it to Kayla, too. And we'll never know if the show execs maneuvered PR into a position where he was forced out. Whatever the case, they've now got a free and available Hope, too. |
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| Guinevere | Jun 28 2012, 02:28 PM Post #125 |
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Bring back Jack!
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The only thing with freeing up Jennifer for Jack replacement #8 is that "killing"/killing Jack means she will have to mourn. The backlash over Dannifer was bad before we even knew where Jack had been (though most of us never bought the walkabout anyway) so if Jennifer moves on before mourning for an appropriate period of time her character is going to be seen as even worse than before. Since we're supposed to buy that Jennifer loves Jack so much now how this will be good for her or Missy is hard to even imagine. I just don't see the point in getting rid of Jack via death if they want Jennifer to move back to Dannifer or onto her next Mr Perfect. I don't know how she could survive without being completely destroyed. |
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| annie21 | Jun 28 2012, 02:43 PM Post #126 |
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True. Of course, they pretty much did a disservice to Jennifer during their last tenure (basically first half of 2011). Unfortunately, I don't think this show cares about their characters that much any more. They've pretty much trashed everyone so far -- especially the females. Carrie has gone from being a favorite to detestable. Nicole used to have some semblance of motivation and consistency in her choices. Now, she's weak and wishy-washy. Maggie got dragged down by Eggbaby. Hope was not done any favors by the way the Alice's secret/Princess Gina story was handled. But she fared better than most. We'll see what happens once Bo is out of the picture. I'm afraid no one in Salem is safe from the inept/arbitrary/poison pen of these current and future writers. |
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| Guinevere | Jun 28 2012, 02:56 PM Post #127 |
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Bring back Jack!
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^ Oh I know the show could care less. I was just looking at it from the POV of what more damage it will do to Jennifer's character (if that's even possible). If he's only presumed dead (missing) then it's not like he can give her his blessing to move on once he's gone if it's ambiguous that he's really dead. Even if we did get something as contrived as that it still wouldn't be good for her (I didn't like it in 2005 and definitely wouldn't now). Since his interview said he was told he could be back then it makes it seem like he's not dead but just presumed dead. |
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| niki51586 | Jun 28 2012, 03:12 PM Post #128 |
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Great interview! Love love love Matt Ashford, a TRUE class act! |
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| annie21 | Jun 28 2012, 05:02 PM Post #129 |
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So I read elsewhere that Ian plants a bomb at Madison and Brady's wedding. That's apparently when Madison and Jack are taken out. That means basically Jack is just collateral damage -- he and his demise are not even a focal point in the storyline. Sounds like the writers were too lazy to write more than a tacked-on scene to the existing cliffhanger. Talk about adding insult to injury. :shame: |
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| DesignatedShelley | Jun 28 2012, 05:11 PM Post #130 |
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Ugh. I hate this show. I hate it forever. |
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| Guinevere | Jun 28 2012, 05:21 PM Post #131 |
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Bring back Jack!
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^ Especially since Jack and Brady have barely interacted...ever (despite their Isabella connection) so why would he even be at/invited to the wedding? Also it's totally ridiculous that a bomb would kill Madison but not Brady when they'd surely be together at their wedding? And I'm guessing that story about Jack last seen getting on an elevator would explain why he's a victim and Jennifer isn't. Probably where the bomb is planted so there's no way he can survive :shame: . Not that any of that is confirmed. But like DS says above I hate this show! |
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| Romancer66 | Jun 28 2012, 05:33 PM Post #132 |
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Unless Jack stumbles on to whoever's planting the bomb--because I'd be surprised if Ian didn't have flunkeys doing the grunt work for him--and gets grabbed as a hostage/safe conduct guarantee. Either that or he gets traumatized by the explosion, loses his memory, and wanders off in the ensuing chaos. I still hate the story, but there are at least two loopholes through which the character can slip and be brought back later. |
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| Guinevere | Jun 28 2012, 05:40 PM Post #133 |
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Bring back Jack!
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Yeah if Jack "dies" offscreen there's a loophole. How can they say he's definitely dead since he'd be blown to smithereens right? (it's not like he'd be wearing say a wedding ring to identify him). I'm sure we'll get a Madison dies in Brady's arms moment but if Jack is just presumed dead because he disappears after the explosion that could leave it open-ended. Didn't he say his exit is more heroic somewhere? So maybe he's saving someone when he dies/"dies". I still like the amnesia angle because that could be the only way to justify his showing up suddenly again in the future (other than yet another kidnapping). |
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| annie21 | Jun 28 2012, 06:07 PM Post #134 |
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Sad, when we're having to grasp at straws, huh? When "blown to smithereens" and "no death or dying scene" and "wandering off with amnesia" are seen as bright spots and reasons to hope. This show sucks. |
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| px780 | Jun 28 2012, 06:44 PM Post #135 |
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Weren't there rumors of a double wedding way back in the day, and we thought it would be Bo/Hope and John/Marlena? What if Jack/Jen decide to renew or something and double up with Brady/Madison? Otherwise you guys are right- it'd be random collateral damage that doesn't even really make sense, because these people rarely show up for one another so why would I expect to see Jack anywhere near Brady's wedding? The thing about Jack dying/disappearing for me is...I don't care to see Jennifer act all pissy some more, and I don't care to see her mourn (though I tend to think that's the actress's strength). I don't care about her feelings, I don't care to watch Daniel comfort her and rekindle their love over Jack's corpse. I'm riding the boundary of indifferent/actively dislike with her so it's like...whatever. I don't know if I care to see Abby mourn, either. I've said it before, but at this point Salemites (especially in this case) shouldn't really respond to death because it's never permanent. Half of them were just blown up and were fine, y'know? So it's just kind of...it's a pointless exercise (and I know we'll have to do some similar bullshit when Reckell leaves), and I wish they would have dumped Jennifer, too, so we wouldn't have to go through it. |
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| DesignatedShelley | Jun 28 2012, 06:56 PM Post #136 |
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The only way to make this story worthwhile given what we know so far is to have Jennifer not believe it, that's the only way of not only avoiding that repetition that pushes things to incredulity, but turning it on its head and thus effectively calling it out for the tired plot point that fans see it as. But I guess Dannifer or whatever so whatever. I'm really hoping the Daniel/Nicole stuff takes off, because although I don't care at all to see her with him permanently, he just needs to stay the hell away from Jennifer. |
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| Evan | Jun 28 2012, 06:58 PM Post #137 |
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I can think of at least 8 other characters who'd I rather see getting blown up in a bomb explosion, starting with Rafe and Daniel. :shame: I've seen enough of Jennifer and Abby mourning Jack's supposed demise, or Jennifer moving on with some new himbo - count me out this time, DAYS. |
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| Romancer66 | Jun 28 2012, 07:35 PM Post #138 |
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That's kind of where I am with third-run Jennifer. I only tolerate her for Jack's sake because in spite of having every reason to tire of the shallow, fickle, self-absorbed twit she's become in the last few years, he still loves her. But when he's gone, then I'm free of any obligation to care about Jen-Jen at all. I certainly have no interest in watching her "move on" for the umpteenth time. It's sad but oddly liberating too. |
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| AHM | Jun 28 2012, 09:57 PM Post #139 |
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I agree. But, unfortunately, I do think "death" is the chosen exit just so that Jennifer can move back to Daniel or whatever himbo. And I have loved Jennifer a great deal in the past, and I still could for a proper Jack and Jennifer story, but for her sticking around without Jack again, my feelings toward her are pretty much like px780's---contempt at best, indifference at worst. Though if everyone's blubbering over Lexie, Jack Deveraux deserves some mourning, so she better do some. Still, it's not the best choice. If they didn't want MA for the reasons Annie (I think) listed in her post, why Jennifer? They should have just given back Jack and Jennifer's happy ending. She should have been cut. It's ridiculous to keep her around to revisit Dannifer or whatever-ifer. Edited by AHM, Jun 28 2012, 10:04 PM.
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| Harcourt | Jun 29 2012, 08:00 AM Post #140 |
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This is how I see it, as well. KC has thrown Matt up under the bus so many times that I don't see how Matt can have any faith or trust in him. He hasn't stood up, or fought for Matt, or his character (Jack Deveraux) for over 20 years now. And just the idea that he might have fought for him, and these are the sorry results, is frightening. This, to me, is not a person that is in your corner. KC has allowed the unique and wonderful character of Jack Deveraux to be dismantled, nearly destroyed, and turned into a joke at every turn. Even when Matt was available, KC hired MV to play the role of Jack for three years. That KC has the nerve to even pick up the phone and ask Matt to return, knowing that only humiliation and disappointment awaits him, and his many fans, makes KC a special kind of low-lying, deceitful, belly to the ground type of blood sucking viper. Matt is obviously just a very decent guy who can manage to somehow see some good in even the worst, and most base kinds of people. Edited by Harcourt, Jun 29 2012, 08:23 AM.
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