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Will Blackmails EJ; Airs the the week of July 2nd
Topic Started: Jun 28 2012, 01:27 PM (6,936 Views)
Dreamer
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Just saying, little Willie should be no match for big EJ. Willie going on the darkside, I didn't see that coming. :sarcasm: Now Willie wants to go to DIMERA's training camp to be a villian. Sami is liable to shoot him! or Sami marries EJ, as a sacrifice so she can keep tabs on her son. Ouch!! Yep, I said it! Lucas?? Why did they bother to bring him back? Stilling waiting for him to do something other than kiss Sami's Ass. Oh yeah, he's Will's Dad and he was imperative to the coming out SL. Not!!!

TPTB are grasping at straws, they have been throwing everything out there in a desperate act to get viewers to come back and watch.
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Anyone else notice that with all the crap that EJ's done to every character, no one is mad at him. What other character has ever been this way? Someone was always mad at Sami, Kate, Nicole, Stefano... The idea that everyone just respects EJ is plain old crazy.


I haven't noticed that. Nicole and her pals are running around declaring him unfit to raise that baby. Rafe's running around with Roman trying to pin a murder on him, Rafe's helping keep his kid from him. Nicole's ransacking his apartment to put him in jail. Daniel's keeping his kid from him. Kayla just said she doesn't trust him. Lucas flips out every time he's near. Sonny even badmouths him to Will. None of that equals respect.

The only person that really does respect him is Will, Chad and the kids, with a side of Sami depending on what day it is.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

brazen
Jun 29 2012, 10:22 AM
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Anyone else notice that with all the crap that EJ's done to every character, no one is mad at him. What other character has ever been this way? Someone was always mad at Sami, Kate, Nicole, Stefano... The idea that everyone just respects EJ is plain old crazy.


I haven't noticed that. Nicole and her pals are running around declaring him unfit to raise that baby. Rafe's running around with Roman trying to pin a murder on him, Rafe's helping keep his kid from him. Nicole's ransacking his apartment to put him in jail. Daniel's keeping his kid from him. Kayla just said she doesn't trust him. Lucas flips out every time he's near. Sonny even badmouths him to Will. None of that equals respect.

The only person that really does respect him is Will, Chad and the kids, with a side of Sami depending on what day it is.
they all say stuff but no one DOES anything
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What are they supposed to do? Kill him? :lol:

Nicole's trying to get him in jail to keep him from her baby. That's doing something.
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brazen
Jun 29 2012, 10:22 AM
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Anyone else notice that with all the crap that EJ's done to every character, no one is mad at him. What other character has ever been this way? Someone was always mad at Sami, Kate, Nicole, Stefano... The idea that everyone just respects EJ is plain old crazy.


I haven't noticed that. Nicole and her pals are running around declaring him unfit to raise that baby. Rafe's running around with Roman trying to pin a murder on him, Rafe's helping keep his kid from him. Nicole's ransacking his apartment to put him in jail. Daniel's keeping his kid from him. Kayla just said she doesn't trust him. Lucas flips out every time he's near. Sonny even badmouths him to Will. None of that equals respect.

The only person that really does respect him is Will, Chad and the kids, with a side of Sami depending on what day it is.
Not to mention he just called himself 'persona non grata' at his own sister's memorial on today's episode.

As to this article, I'm pretty much in the camp of whatever keeps EJill on my screens should be good with me. I just enjoy their scenes and I think Will is more interesting being drawn to the dark side a bit. I like Will thinking he has the upperhand on EJ and turning the tables. If he does this effortlessly and pulls it off flawlessly though, I'll take issue. He's learning, but he still has alot to learn and I want EJ to remind him of that fact again very soon.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

brazen
Jun 29 2012, 10:47 AM
What are they supposed to do? Kill him? :lol:

It would help
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I can't believe this Ejill nonsense is still going on. :sleep:
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If Will and dark side meant more than a big smirk then this would be more interesting. Chandler plays him like Otis the Drunk.
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Jun 29 2012, 11:15 AM
brazen
Jun 29 2012, 10:22 AM
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Anyone else notice that with all the crap that EJ's done to every character, no one is mad at him. What other character has ever been this way? Someone was always mad at Sami, Kate, Nicole, Stefano... The idea that everyone just respects EJ is plain old crazy.


I haven't noticed that. Nicole and her pals are running around declaring him unfit to raise that baby. Rafe's running around with Roman trying to pin a murder on him, Rafe's helping keep his kid from him. Nicole's ransacking his apartment to put him in jail. Daniel's keeping his kid from him. Kayla just said she doesn't trust him. Lucas flips out every time he's near. Sonny even badmouths him to Will. None of that equals respect.

The only person that really does respect him is Will, Chad and the kids, with a side of Sami depending on what day it is.
Not to mention he just called himself 'persona non grata' at his own sister's memorial on today's episode.

As to this article, I'm pretty much in the camp of whatever keeps EJill on my screens should be good with me. I just enjoy their scenes and I think Will is more interesting being drawn to the dark side a bit. I like Will thinking he has the upperhand on EJ and turning the tables. If he does this effortlessly and pulls it off flawlessly though, I'll take issue. He's learning, but he still has alot to learn and I want EJ to remind him of that fact again very soon.
In what way is Will been drawn to the darkside. All we see is him spending lots of time in EJ's company. That is boring, because nothing is really happening, they just sit /stand around talking. It's no longer interesting because they are not discussing anything new.

EJ is suppose to be a vilain but all they have him doing is babysitting Will and being comforted by Will,s mum, and her telling him he can be a better person now without Stephano's influence. The last time they had EJ doing something bad was when we found out that he was responsible for John being in prison. How he went about it wasn'even shown, they just told us that EJ was responsible. Prior to that, was when he imprisoned Rafe and had a stranger having sex with Sami.

Whenever they show him up against people in his own age group like Brady and Rafe, Brady and Rafe always manage to get the upper hand. So, you are left with the impression that EJ is all mouth and no action, unless it comes to people half his age, or women.

Stefano, I can take seriously as a vilain, but, not EJ, because of the way they write him. He has an important document with information that he does not want anyone to know about, you would think he would be more careful in hiding it. The smart thing to do was to burn the document because he should know by now that the mansion is not a safe place to hide anything. People come in and out of there whenever they feel like it. So what do they do, they make EJ stupid so they can move the plot along by having Will finding it so he can get the upperhand. As if we did not see that coming from miles away. So predictable this show. This kind of stupidity just reminds me of when they had everyone walking into the mansion with intent to commit murder and touching a gun they just happen to see lying there and, it was essential that they all touched it with their bare hands. Made it worst that two of them were police officers that should know better.

The idea that there is going to be a powerplay between EJ and Will, I also find ridiculous. Isn't EJ suppose to be teaching Will the ropes. Well, that is one of Will's request on top of getting his apartment and car back. They should Talk about power play when EJ is up against someone like Ian, that I would take more seriously.

And are they going to ever show us what exactly is Will learning from EJ, apart from how to speak to a subordinate and get them to do your bidding. If he has Will doing work that has nothing to do with his criminal life style, it is important to let the audience know.
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Maybe EJ can teach him how to teapot, pick out pink shirts and suits? (Or should I say suit...as in singular cuz he only has one! LOL)
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

Aliaron
Jun 29 2012, 09:37 AM
You know the show is at a bad state when even the blackmailing of EJ is all about propping up EJ. Everything Will has been doing lately has been for EJ. They have just stop trying to develop Will as a strong character.

Anyone else notice that with all the crap that EJ's done to every character, no one is mad at him. What other character has ever been this way? Someone was always mad at Sami, Kate, Nicole, Stefano... The idea that everyone just respects EJ is plain old crazy.

They are ignoring Will's history and logic to once again prop EJ up. That's all this show knows how to do these days. Its not even frustrating anymore. Its just sad.
I don't see how this props Ej at all, Will seems to enjoy working with Ej.
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I don't know if I agree that everyone respects EJ - I think there are many who don't. I mean, clearly. But I also I am not bothered by the disrespect, like at all. Sonny is right to caution Will about him. I can't imagine Lucas will ever not dislike him, or will ever not trust him - and I can't blame him. Rafe cautioning Sami about Will's closeness to EJ makes sense too. Anyone who cares about Will cautioning him against getting too close to EJ makes sense. I am not sure if the man deserves a whole lotta respect - other than Sami, maybe, in order to civilly co-parent with him. But full respect? No.

As for Will and EJ, meh - I am not as fascinated anymore. Indeed, as another poster said, once "dark side" means more than smirks and the occasional snippy remark from Will, maybe I will be more interested. But I also think he is acting like a shit - I guess this is what the writers meant when they said they wanted to take Will in a Sami 2.0 direction. I am sort of wanting some catastrophe to befall him or his loved ones. Maybe then he would be tested; maybe then he would be faced with the consequences of his choices and really be forced into conflict. I don't see him all that conflicted right now.

It could be entertaining to see Will get the upper-hand against EJ. It's something I have been expressing a desire to see for weeks. But now that it's around the corner, I am less than thrilled.

The storyline possibilities EJill could open up could still be interesting tough. I agree I would rather see Will in these predicaments than involved in the Gabi, Chad, Melanie mess. So I will remain patient - even though I do feel I am nearing my threshold.
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Jun 30 2012, 08:38 AM
I don't know if I agree that everyone respects EJ - I think there are many who don't. I mean, clearly. But I also I am not bothered by the disrespect, like at all. Sonny is right to caution Will about him. I can't imagine Lucas will ever not dislike him, or will ever not trust him - and I can't blame him. Rafe cautioning Sami about Will's closeness to EJ makes sense too. Anyone who cares about Will cautioning him against getting too close to EJ makes sense. I am not sure if the man deserves a whole lotta respect - other than Sami, maybe, in order to civilly co-parent with him. But full respect? No.

As for Will and EJ, meh - I am not as fascinated anymore. Indeed, as another poster said, once "dark side" means more than smirks and the occasional snippy remark from Will, maybe I will be more interested. But I also think he is acting like a shit - I guess this is what the writers meant when they said they wanted to take Will in a Sami 2.0 direction. I am sort of wanting some catastrophe to befall him or his loved ones. Maybe then he would be tested; maybe then he would be faced with the consequences of his choices and really be forced into conflict. I don't see him all that conflicted right now.

It could be entertaining to see Will get the upper-hand against EJ. It's something I have been expressing a desire to see for weeks. But now that it's around the corner, I am less than thrilled.

The storyline possibilities EJill could open up could still be interesting tough. I agree I would rather see Will in these predicaments than involved in the Gabi, Chad, Melanie mess. So I will remain patient - even though I do feel I am nearing my threshold.
One of my favorite recent Will scenes, and it was quite a few weeks ago now, was when he took the kickback tickets from someone and then later asked Gabi if she wanted him to get EJ to expedite a zoning clearance for her. Will was very confident and having fun in that scene, but he turned down Gabi's request about breaking Chad and Melanie up. That was exactly how I want to see Will - a bit shady but still loyal to his friends - enjoying the perks of power. But more importantly, it showed that he does do stuff for EJ more than hanging out and smirking. There shouldn't be whole episodes about zoning clearances, but there should be off handed lines about what he actually does for Mayor EJ. It would also explain why EJ would keep Will around, assuming Will is actually performing his duties well and taking care of minor corruption for EJ.

Then, as far as catastrophe goes, Will could be put in a position where the low level corruption he's involved with threatens the Brady Pub or puts a loved one in danger. That kind of thing.
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If Will and EJ want to blackmail each other or play some sort of one-upmanship game, then that's fine so long as they drop the ridiculous and pointless sexual innuendo between them. That innuendo makes Will appear to be a lot dumber than he really is and there are already enough stupid people in Salem.
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Jun 30 2012, 09:02 AM
elci525
Jun 30 2012, 08:38 AM
I don't know if I agree that everyone respects EJ - I think there are many who don't. I mean, clearly. But I also I am not bothered by the disrespect, like at all. Sonny is right to caution Will about him. I can't imagine Lucas will ever not dislike him, or will ever not trust him - and I can't blame him. Rafe cautioning Sami about Will's closeness to EJ makes sense too. Anyone who cares about Will cautioning him against getting too close to EJ makes sense. I am not sure if the man deserves a whole lotta respect - other than Sami, maybe, in order to civilly co-parent with him. But full respect? No.

As for Will and EJ, meh - I am not as fascinated anymore. Indeed, as another poster said, once "dark side" means more than smirks and the occasional snippy remark from Will, maybe I will be more interested. But I also think he is acting like a shit - I guess this is what the writers meant when they said they wanted to take Will in a Sami 2.0 direction. I am sort of wanting some catastrophe to befall him or his loved ones. Maybe then he would be tested; maybe then he would be faced with the consequences of his choices and really be forced into conflict. I don't see him all that conflicted right now.

It could be entertaining to see Will get the upper-hand against EJ. It's something I have been expressing a desire to see for weeks. But now that it's around the corner, I am less than thrilled.

The storyline possibilities EJill could open up could still be interesting tough. I agree I would rather see Will in these predicaments than involved in the Gabi, Chad, Melanie mess. So I will remain patient - even though I do feel I am nearing my threshold.
One of my favorite recent Will scenes, and it was quite a few weeks ago now, was when he took the kickback tickets from someone and then later asked Gabi if she wanted him to get EJ to expedite a zoning clearance for her. Will was very confident and having fun in that scene, but he turned down Gabi's request about breaking Chad and Melanie up. That was exactly how I want to see Will - a bit shady but still loyal to his friends - enjoying the perks of power. But more importantly, it showed that he does do stuff for EJ more than hanging out and smirking. There shouldn't be whole episodes about zoning clearances, but there should be off handed lines about what he actually does for Mayor EJ. It would also explain why EJ would keep Will around, assuming Will is actually performing his duties well and taking care of minor corruption for EJ.

Then, as far as catastrophe goes, Will could be put in a position where the low level corruption he's involved with threatens the Brady Pub or puts a loved one in danger. That kind of thing.
I see what you mean, and I agree (I am not sure we disagree, really) - it was good to see Will enjoying the perks of his "power," but drawing the line somewhere. Still showing some semblance of loyalty. What I mean, I think more accurately, is that I want to see him a bit more conflicted about working for EJ, about what that could really mean for him and his family. I don't see him conflicted on that front now. Nor should he be, I guess: right now, he is able tell his parents to leave him the hell alone (the THIS-IS-MY-LIFE-LET-ME-LIVE-IT indignant young person speech); he is having some fun; he is attempting to assert independence (and this coupled with his recent coming out I am sure has him feeling all sorts of empowered, and like he maybe has things figured out, just a bit). Even though I haven't seen him having any reason to feel all that empowered from his interactions with EJ thus far, I will concede that doing something he likes. doing something he knows his parents disapprove of, doing something that might be outside the expected path from him - that could leave a young man feeling all sorts of satisfied. So what I am saying is I want to see a real test for him - just like the scenarios you suggested (that is what I meant in my post).

Although. truthfully, I would prefer to see something even more extreme and dramatic. I want to see a case where his working for EJ directly threatens someone he loves in some way. There is a bit more conflict in that, there are higher stakes involved in that then in his being able to say no to Gabi's crazy schemes (where there was nothing he would seemingly be sacrificing by heeding his morals or conscience).

As for having some insight into the exact nature of the "dark side" work he is doing for EJ, yes, I would like to be made privy to that with even the most off of off-handed lines.
Edited by elci525, Jun 30 2012, 09:20 AM.
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No, we don't disagree at all. It's just that before Will is tested, I'd like to see more of him actually being successful in his job as the Mayor's assistant - not just EJ's gopher - and that, along with the stuff, provides a powerful motive. The idea that working for EJ in his capacity as Mayor has given Will his first taste of adult success and that Will really enjoys that, would add a great layer of confidence to his character. Then, to see that tested by a serious crisis of conscience would be very dramatic.

As for the sexual innuendo, I think it worked well when Will was closeted. But it's not as interesting now that Will is out and actively socializing among the gays of Salem.
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^^Yes, in agreement - but said much more succinctly. ;)
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Jun 29 2012, 12:32 AM
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Jun 28 2012, 01:27 PM
Will takes the opportunity to put it away in a safe. He enjoys some time with Sonny and ignores EJ’s calls.
Will and Sonny sitting in the tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Will and Sonny sitting in the tree. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. :mutley:
LOL! I laughed so loud at this I think I scared my mother!
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On Monday's show, EJ is reading Alice's letter when Will arrives. This is the second time that EJ is reading the letter when he is expecting Will to come over. Both times EJ tells Will that he is late, which means EJ knows that Will could walk in at any time.
It's almost like EJ wants Will to find the letter. And why would EJ keep reading this letter when he knows what it says?

The other day we saw Will tell EJ that he admires how EJ uses information to his advantage.
I think EJ knows that Will wouldn't tell anyone about the paternity secret and is expecting Will to use it as a way to get his perks back. EJ doesn't want to just give Will his perks back without earning them.
EJ knows the hold he has over Will, including the info about the shooting, and how much Will enjoys working for him. So maybe this is just a way for EJ to give his Padawan a test of loyalty or a way to see Will get a kick out of 'gaining some power' in their relationship. EJ's providing a way to see how Will has learned from his Master :)

I could be wrong, but it seems a point was made to show that EJ was waiting for Will, as opposed to Will walking in unexpectedly and seeing EJ with the letter. And the last time when EJ put the letter in his jacket, making it visible, and then flinging the jacket for the letter to fall out, was odd. I can't see EJ being so careless w/ the letter.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into bad writing about how Will discovers the paternity secret :laugh:
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Jun 30 2012, 10:57 AM
On Monday's show, EJ is reading Alice's letter when Will arrives. This is the second time that EJ is reading the letter when he is expecting Will to come over. Both times EJ tells Will that he is late, which means EJ knows that Will could walk in at any time.
It's almost like EJ wants Will to find the letter. And why would EJ keep reading this letter when he knows what it says?

The other day we saw Will tell EJ that he admires how EJ uses information to his advantage.
I think EJ knows that Will wouldn't tell anyone about the paternity secret and is expecting Will to use it as a way to get his perks back. EJ doesn't want to just give Will his perks back without earning them.
EJ knows the hold he has over Will, including the info about the shooting, and how much Will enjoys working for him. So maybe this is just a way for EJ to give his Padawan a test of loyalty or a way to see Will get a kick out of 'gaining some power' in their relationship. EJ's providing a way to see how Will has learned from his Master :)

I could be wrong, but it seems a point was made to show that EJ was waiting for Will, as opposed to Will walking in unexpectedly and seeing EJ with the letter. And the last time when EJ put the letter in his jacket, making it visible, and then flinging the jacket for the letter to fall out, was odd. I can't see EJ being so careless w/ the letter.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into bad writing about how Will discovers the paternity secret :laugh:
I think you have a point. It seems odd that he keeps leaving such a secret, sensitive letter out where Will can see it. I mean, he already caught Will with it in his hand once...and now he's still got it out where Will can see it again? It does seem like he wants Will to find it for some reason. Not sure about the reasons you stated. You would think that he would be hesitant to trust Will with something like this. I mean it does give EJ a motive for killing Stefano. Why would he trust anyone with that knowledge? I really don't get why he wouldn't destroy that letter in the first place. It is interesting though..if it turns out he did want Will to find it.
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