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Monday July 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 29 2012, 02:00 PM (9,288 Views)
elci525
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^^I admit Carrie and Sami fighting is good drama - CC and AS play it well. And b/c this go-round bothered me more than any of the other confrontations they’ve shared has, well that is just a testament to the scenes being annoyance-rousing, affecting drama.

And I agree that I wouldn't expect Sami to NOT say something to Carrie. And while some might think her sleeping with EJ shouldn't keep her from being able to get angry at Carrie for being involved with Rafe, and now for thinking that maybe Carrie is pregnant with Rafe's baby, and while I agree to an extent…I dunno - I didn't care this time around. A part of me thinks Sami can get angry at whomever or at whatever she chooses. She does technically have a reason to be so mad. But for a larger part of me, that understanding wasn't enough to keep me from really disliking her in these scenes. It wasn't enough to neutralize my negative feelings. Her not taking full accountability and deflecting onto others as usual, while in character, was just very, very unappealing to me on this day. Sami has been grating on my nerves as of late, so I guess I am less inclined to defend her.

As for spouting the same things at Marlena, I am over it. Again, in the past when Sami acted the same way with Marlena, I tended to almost always see Sami's side. But I am over it now. There was a moment when Marlena was, to me, clearly telling Carrie to stop engaging/insulting Sami, and for some reason Sami saw that as Marlena "being on Carrie's side". That Sami even speaks in such a juvenile vernacular at this stage in her life...again, I am not as entertained anymore.

Wilson was very interesting - Brian is pretty darn cute, and it was nice to see a new, less perfect side to Sonny (his jealousy, which I saw a bit, as well as some over-protectiveness, maybe). I am less-than-thrilled with Will at the moment, so it is hard for me to find him so endearing in his scenes with Sonny. But I do like him around Sonny, the side his personality he lets Sonny see (or that Sonny brings out in him). I enjoyed his line about celebrity being so fleeting =) I appreciated someone being less than thrilled with the exact path to "outness" Will has taken - nice just to have a diversity of opinions (although, I dunno, Sonny's explanation seemed a bit PSA-y, but I'll overlook it). And I liked Sonny just wanting to lend Will his support in re: EJ (oh Sonny, if you only knew how Will actually felt about that whole thing), saying that he just wants to be on his side. That was very nice.
Edited by elci525, Jul 2 2012, 11:07 AM.
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JamaicanBeauty7
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Jul 1 2012, 11:40 PM
I liked what I saw in the little preview Thomson posted. THANKS!!

I always likes Sami and Carrie drama. I think it is true to history. I'm not burnt out on it yet. Just because Sami slept with EJ doesn't mean she wouldn't say something to Carrie. I think it would be very OOC for her NOT to. AS well as what she said to Marlena. Same thing- it may have been the same thing we have been hearing for 20 years, but it is a valid conversation. marlena and Carrie are very close, and Sami and she are NOT. Sami blames Marlena. If this were a real situation, it seems to be written true.

I dunno, unpopular opinion, but I like these scenes.

I like that Spencer is keeping (or trying to) Rafe in check. :cheer:

EJ looking good in that suit. DAMN! :wub:

Will and Sonny, always good.

ITA with your post but I had to comment on the bold.

TRUE.

STORY.

He looked so good. Really sexy. :cloud9:

Edited by JamaicanBeauty7, Jul 2 2012, 07:05 AM.
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I could watch Sami/Carrie drama every day. Alison and Christie play so well off of each other, it is always very entertaining. And some of those lines are great! "I don't need a calendar to figure out who my baby's father is." Go Carrie!
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I don't have a problem with Sami and Carrie being at odds. I prefer it that way. I have a problem with no one really getting the chance to be more specific when they tell Sami she's wrong. It's been so long since their rivalry was featured, and we've spent so much time hearing Sami's inaccurate account of history, that it's necessary that they discredit her. I like that Marlena has a bit of a chance to give a retort, but I want more. I really wish she'd have pointed out that there is no "side" to this particular argument. She can't choose a side when THERE IS NO SIDE.
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Todays episode reinforce why i cant stand Princess Carrie. Princess Carrie can do no wrong. . STFU Marlena. .. Can't stand that hypocrite either. :huh1: was extra annoying in this episode. Why put him in scenes with JS when JS outshines him EVERYTIME. He was disgustly smug also.
Edited by EJ_SamiFF, Jul 2 2012, 12:20 PM.
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Oh Sami knock it off with the "my husband" crap Sami,she had no concern for Rafe when she did the puke with Ejerk,now she is with Lucas,so she says,who Carrie or Rafe are with or not with is none of her business.If she blames someone else for her marriage ending I hope someone slaps her,the blame is on Sami and Sami alone,but with Sami everyone else is at fault,not her.
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Agent Spencer seems incredibly aware of how incompetent the Salem PD is, and I love him for it. I loved everything he did and said today. Plus, I actually believe he could match wits with EJ.

I really did enjoy Will today, especially since the weasley side of him we've seen elsewhere was present, just toned down a notch with Sonny. And I know Brian isn't going to be around for long, but I'd really like it if Sonny went out with him at least for a little bit. It would be good if Will had to work a little for Sonny's affections.
Edited by Honeybees, Jul 2 2012, 01:20 PM.
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^^Agent Spence (as I am wont to call him now) is great! And he does seem so totally bewildered that a police department or a lead investigator could be either so inept or run on such hubris and bravado! It's always fun when that kind of critical, 3rd party, non-Salemite POV is injected into these zany stories. I enjoyed him just watching the proceedings between Rafe and EJ like he was trying to figure out what circus he had wandered into. And I also think he can match wits with EJ - maybe it's a suave Brit thing.
Edited by elci525, Jul 2 2012, 01:28 PM.
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I wasn't really impressed with today's episode. Maybe if I re-watch it I'll change my mind. But until then, this is what I walked away from it with:

- EJ, I love you, but just give the idiots what they want so that you can prove your innocence. Watching you and Rafe try to one up each other was painful and pointless.

-Agent Spencer, I think it's time you spoke with the gov. and informed them that you need to head this investigation alone. When the supposed suspect board that contains at least 6 - 7 pictures of the "suspects" is basically being utilized as office decoration, instead of being taken seriously because of the SPD obvious bias against its only desired target, correct steps need to be taken...

- Sami, Carrie didn't destroy your marriage you did. I understand your anger toward her, but you play the biggest part in your marriage's destruction.

Side note: AS really looked leathery in the face. She should never wear bangs because they only serve to highlight her leathery looking skin.

- Carrie, no matter what Sami did, you were giving Rafe the googly eye before her marriage ended. So you don't get to walk on water in this instance either.

- Marlena, sigh, I wish I liked you, but I don't. You always come off a phony to me no matter what you're saying or doing.

- Sonny, you came off as desperate and somewhat pathetic today. You stood there and listened to everything Brian said to Will, and IMO, you looked somewhat disappointed and upset - but not angry at Brian - because you knew what he was saying was true. But because you don't want to lose your chance with Will, you're rolling over and putting blinders on and making excuses. Brian said as much and I completely agree.

And by the looks of it, Will blows you off at the drop of a hat. I laughed out loud when you were two were in the middle of your conversation and Will spotted Brian and jumped up to go greet him leaving you there looking a bit pathetic.

Side note - Good gawd FS is boring and monotone in his line delivery. During Sonny's convo with Will, I kept saying GAWD!!! just spit it out. His line delivery frustrates me the same way in which GG's frustrates me. Just add some modulation and life to your line delivery. GAWD!!!

- Brian is definitely a keeper and the actor is good looking with a nice STRONG screen presence.

- Will, I loved your absolutely hurt expression when EJ said he's going take away his friendship. It was mean of him. I know it, but I did love your look of devastation. But then you came back swinging with the "one of your saner moments" rejoinder. Bravo. Never let EJ see you sweat! Also loved how you loved (based on that smile) that EJ said you reminded him of Sami therefore he's giving you a pass. EJILL for the win!!!


Edited by badaddiction, Jul 2 2012, 01:32 PM.
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I also so totally thought AS looked overly-tanned or leathery today! Thought that was just me.

Will cutting Sonny off the second Brian walked in or just dismissing their convo in the middle when he decided to scoot off to the DiMansion really annoyed me. I don't think Sonny came off as pathetic - call me a gullible idiot, but I just thought he was genuinely concerned (if a little PSA-y with Will). For all this wonderfully empowering EJillness, Will seems to me like he thinks he has everything figured out; he seems pretty satisfied with himself. And some part of me thinks Sonny notices this, notices Will's ego kind of growing and maybe getting away from him. That is the impression I gleaned anyway.

I think Will is due for some kind of deflating/shattering reality check sometime soon. His new-found confidence and schemer-y has its merits, and I aaammmm entertained by it, but lately, I am more and more of the mind that Will needs to be brought down a few pegs.

As for Carrie and Sami, I have already written several posts about how bothered/impatient with Sami I was during today's scenes. But I want to make it clear that I never thought either Sami or Carrie were totally in the right or totally in the wrong. They are both guilty of some major mistakes. And Carrie is a bit more self-aware than Sami, but she does seem to get patted on the head with far greater frequency. But I did think at least today, she acknowledged what Sami accused her of (being in the way of Sami and Rafe even attempting to work out their problems) had some merit. But, anyway, point is I don't fully defend Carrie over Sami or anything It's just that I almost always side with Sami over Carrie, and today I was surprised at how thoroughly Sami's reaction aggravated me. And I just like Sami more than I do Carrie, so when Sami effs up, acts like a hypocrite or a shrieking child - it just affects me more, because I am more invested in her character. But both sisters are at fault to some extent - which also made the fight a compelling one. Sami is just grating on my nerves lately.
Edited by elci525, Jul 2 2012, 01:45 PM.
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While today wasn't the out-of-the-ballpark hit that the previous 2 days were (and it's clearly a new day in Salem, btw), I didn't think today was a today fail and I actually thought the overall structure of the episode was nice.

Although some people found the Sami/Carrie material repetative, I THOROUGHLY enjoyed it because, let's face it, if they aren't at one another's throats about something (ANYTHING), they're being written out of character. I would MUCH rather have this than that period of time when St. Carrie & St. Sami had put aside their differences and acted as if they were about to break out into a rousing chorus of "Sisters!". The thing I liked most about their confrontation was that they were BOTH right on certain points and they were both WRONG on certain points. Neither one of them was entirely in the right an I appreciated that. I did like how Sami attributed her cheating on Rafe to "family tradition" citing both Marlena/John and Carrie/Mike backhandedly. I also liked how Carrie pointed out that the baby couldn't be Rafe's because they never slept together (which is true). Because of some very nice dialog, both characters came off as being in the right AND in the wrong at the same time. I also appreciate that while Sami did become rather aggitated, AS didn't go completely & utterly OTT. Also, Marlena at various times chastized both Carrie & Sami for their behavior. Yes, I did see Marlena seem to favor Carrie slightly more, but I took that to be more out of concern for the baby than any real "choosing of sides". Also, I liked the little history reference/jab Carrie made at Sami about Sami's old scheme to make Austin/Carrie think they'd have deformed babies and Sami's "Oh, you would bring that up!" WIN!

I actually found the Rafe/EJ cat & mouse game rather engaging and amusing. However, Rafe trying to get the intellictual better of EJ laughable. I do like how they're playing Rafe is overly smug and down right douchy towards EJ and it's SUPPOSED to play that way (instead of coming across that way when Rafe is supposed to be written as super heroic and admirable). Rafe is CLEARLY biased against EJ (whether he'll openly admit it or not) and I think it's rather keen of the show to use Agent Spencer as outside voice to point out that, yes, Rafe is biased while also admonishing him for not focusing on other suspects. I was a tad disappointed that Rafe's going off script with the lie detector wasn't more sternly admonished by Agent Spencer. Instead of him acting like Rafe had a stroke of brilliance (as if!), I would've much prefered if Spencer had laid the smackdown on him instead and warning him never to go off-script again (setting up a bias Rafe eventually going rogue to nail EJ for something he didn't do. would Rafe go so far as to tamper with evidence to frame EJ of a crime Rafe is certain he committed?)

I actually liked that Brian/Will/Sonny scenes and I LOVE the fact that Brian isn't thoroughly kissing Will's ass and nursemaiding him through coming out and I thought they had Brian explain his point of view very accurately. I also like how it served to bring Sonny's secret (unrequited?) feelings for Will out into the open by having Brian call Sonny on it. I actually hope Brian is a bit smarmy (although him wanting Will to come out and having a problem with him because he didn't want to isn't being smarmy, it's being normal) because I'm kinda sick of every fucking homo on TV being forced into being ST. HOMO, bearer of the Rainbow Flag of Freedom and Equality, held up as a shining example of the true virtuosity of Queer Nation. Whatthefuckever. Gay people can be just as douchy as straight people (and, at least from my experience, the douchiest ones are usually the one wanting everyone to be St. Homo so as to be non-threatening to breeder morons everywhere).
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Also, WHO FUCKING CARES if EJ has a damn gun OR those fucking bullets. EJ could own FIFTY guns and NONE of them would be the gun that killed Stefano because it was ABE'S gun! Might as well arrest me for stealing an apple pie from the grocery store simply because I have a peach cobbler in my refridgerator because CLEARLY if I have a peach cobbler than I MUST have stolen the apple pie.
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I'm not sure if it's deliberate on CM's part but has anyone else noticed that Will's body language is taking on a very similar take to EJ's? I couldn't help but notice this when Will was talking to Sonny at the pub and he patted Sonny on the shoulder the same way EJ did to Rafe, and then Will also slapped Sonny's chest the same way EJ does to Will. . . hmmm, the student is really becoming the master perhaps?

EJ looked very dashing in his new suit. :wub: I think it took all of Agent Spencer's strength not to roll his eyes every time Rafe opened his mouth when Rafe was questioning EJ. :laugh:

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Jul 2 2012, 01:40 PM
Also, WHO FUCKING CARES if EJ has a damn gun OR those fucking bullets. EJ could own FIFTY guns and NONE of them would be the gun that killed Stefano because it was ABE'S gun! Might as well arrest me for stealing an apple pie from the grocery store simply because I have a peach cobbler in my refridgerator because CLEARLY if I have a peach cobbler than I MUST have stolen the apple pie.
LOL! THIS! 1,000,000 xs THIS!!! It's all insane.

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Jul 2 2012, 01:43 PM
EJ looked very dashing in his new suit. :wub: I think it took all of Agent Spencer's strength not to roll his eyes every time Rafe opened his mouth when Rafe was questioning EJ. :laugh:

Exactly! It was clear the man had some WTF moments during EJ and Will's cat and mouse game. That's why I'm perplexed that it's not him LEADING the investigation. Rafe should be no where near this investigation.
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Jul 2 2012, 01:37 PM
Also, I liked the little history reference/jab Carrie made at Sami about Sami's old scheme to make Austin/Carrie think they'd have deformed babies and Sami's "Oh, you would bring that up!" WIN!
I am a big sucker for references to history, and so I appreciated this s/l drop too. And while it was VERY in character for Sami to say, "Oh you just had to bring that up" or whatever variation of that she said, and while I appreciated the in-characterness of it, I also saw that reaction coming a mile away. So the predictability of it disappointed me for some reason - I found myself rolling my eyes. I think I am just majorly hating on Sami.

ETA: I also agree with so much of your post: how both Carrie and Sami were slightly in the wrong but also in the right (Sami just bothered me more time time around); I didn't see Marlena "choosing sides" either (I wish Sami would abandon that way of speaking sometimes - it's totally the back-and-white thinking of a six-year-old...but that is Sami, i guess); I TOTALLY agree that Rafe is clearly being written in a douchy and overly-complacent, smug manner -- something is going to blow up in his face, methinks; and I also agree that I liked someone not fawning over Will. Brian was nice little addition to today's show.
Edited by elci525, Jul 2 2012, 01:53 PM.
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Rafe and EJ's scenes were painful to watch. It should have been Bo or Roman in those scenes with EJ, someone with history to the character and who can act.
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I actually liked Rafe and EJ's scenes. For once, Rafe seemed animated. If I MUST be subjected to Sami going off on Carrie, at least I got several nice pig nose shots today. I do love it when Sami turns up her nose and flares her nostrils (that = mad) and the camera shoots right into the pig nose face. Haha! Loved the "Unlike you, I don't have to check the calendar to see who the father is." Yay Carrie!

That guy ragging on Will annoyed me, as do all people who try to push their own agendas. So what if he's gay and didn't want all to know like this? That's HIS business. It's like the people who say Freddie Mercury "should" have told the world he was gay and actively join the fight. No, he "should" NOT have if he had reasons not to, whatever they were.

How I despise AS/Sami and wish she would take a fucking leave of absence to attend ACTING class.
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Jul 2 2012, 02:11 PM
That guy ragging on Will annoyed me, as do all people who try to push their own agendas. So what if he's gay and didn't want all to know like this? That's HIS business. It's like the people who say Freddie Mercury "should" have told the world he was gay and actively join the fight. No, he "should" NOT have if he had reasons not to, whatever they were.
I thought Brian was a very welcome addition to the Will and Sonny story. It was wonderful for him to call out Will for preferring to be seen as a murderer rather than a gay man. Yes, it may be Will's business when he comes out and to whom; but he allowed himself to be arrested instead of offering up his gay alibi. I am glad Brian called out Will on that offensive bullshit. Hopefully Brian will make a return visit and put the moves on Sonny since no one else in Salem wants to do it.

If people he doesn't know are quickly able to realize Sonny is smitten with Will, I wonder how much longer it will be before Will realizes it, also.

The Sami and Carrie argument was tremendously enjoyable from start to finish, perhaps more entertaining than their argument in the pub a few months ago. The only thing missing was a good slap.
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Jul 2 2012, 02:46 PM
The Sami and Carrie argument was tremendously enjoyable from start to finish, perhaps more entertaining than their argument in the pub a few months ago. The only thing missing was a good slap.
Word. This was just plain great soap bitchiness here. Loved every second of it.
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