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| Interesting/Spoilerish Tweets, Week of 7/2; Twitter/FB list in first post | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 2 2012, 06:44 AM (14,630 Views) | |
| Jenna101 | Jul 7 2012, 06:32 PM Post #81 |
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Thanks Liz! I'm really disheartened about the news. I've been planning to go for years (love the behind the scenes of TV aspect as well), but it never worked out until now. I'm thinking I'll call them and let them know...perhaps they'll give one last tour??! I found this too: http://daysofourlives.com/news_events/detail_5967.html So I'm thinking that they might still do a few last public tours, maybe condensed or something, if they're offering private tours of specific shows (even if it's exclusively thru DAYS). Any ideas? |
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| bomber | Jul 7 2012, 06:36 PM Post #82 |
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I think the fact that Jennifer's only successful pairing is with Jack is, perversely, the main reason for Jack's demise. Under the current regime Days main preoccupation is placing characters with as many partners as possible. Unfortunately for Jack (and his fans) when he is on canvas Jennifer's other potential love interests pale in comparison and because the writers, or whoever are in charge, have no interest in developing storylines for monogamous couples the simplest option is get rid of him and put Jennifer back on the Salem bed hopping merry-go-round.
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| tomsawyer | Jul 7 2012, 06:40 PM Post #83 |
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If they insist on getting rid of Jack, I'd rather it be because by death than by walkabout. |
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| tomsawyer | Jul 7 2012, 06:42 PM Post #84 |
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I think this definitely plays into it. It also probably plays into PR's leaving too. It's pretty clear that Days doesn't like being restricted by supercouples. |
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| robolynn | Jul 7 2012, 06:46 PM Post #85 |
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Jack was and is my favorite character on Days and I think that Matt Ashford is one of the best actors who has ever been on Days. I hate that they are getting rid of him no matter how they do it and will not watch Jennifer get with Daniel. Melissa Reeves can say whatever she would like about the character of Daniel and it won't make any difference to me. The only reason that I will continue watching is because of Eileen Davidson returning, and if they screw that up, I'll definitely be gone for good. |
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| DesignatedShelley | Jul 7 2012, 06:48 PM Post #86 |
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- Death is preferable to abandonment, but it's such a false dichotomy to think of those two things as the only option. She can break up with him, he can break up with her, he can go off to save Steve or something (two birds with one stone, freeing up both Jen and Kayla ... or Bo, with similar logic for Hope), JJ can go missing (while Jennifer stays in town for Abby), blah blah blah. - Jennifer being paired up with someone besides Jack, not my preference but it doesn't mean that Jack can't stay on screen and be paired with someone else himself. Meanwhile they can tease J&J. This is such Soap 101. I'm not vouching for the enduring attractiveness of these couples, but Carly and Sonny are always an option on the table on GH no matter who else they're with. Both Liz/Jason and Liz/Lucky are kept viable. Back in the day didn't it take Doug and Julie 8 years to get together? How long did Laura stay married to Mickey? Sending Jack off to make a new Jennifer couple viable is extremely short-sighted. It's not just a kick in the face, it's bad soap writing. If they can conceive of keeping three Sami pairings on the table, you can't convince me that they can't entertain the idea of teasing J&J as divorce(e)s while giving them both new romances. They're just stupid. They can't write for Jack and that entails some level of stupidity for A) putting their own preferences above audience preferences B) being too limited to write for a complex character like him. I really wanted to stay on with the show and give it a chance, I wanted to see Kristen's return and what happens to Hope and if/how WilSon progresses and what they do with Kayla, but I honestly feel so kicked around and insignificant as a viewer that I don't know if I have it in me any more. It's like they're saying that my viewership doesn't matter, so why stay, you know? |
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| DesignatedShelley | Jul 7 2012, 07:01 PM Post #87 |
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I actually don't want this because it will act as a rooting obstacle for Dannifer (poor Jennifer, her daughter is such a bitch! Only Daniel truly cares about her!!1 etc). I would rather Abby let her mom do what she wants but keep her distance from Dan because she herself can't stand to watch it. That would make a statement without making her a villain in a Dannifer romance story. |
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| mer4santo | Jul 7 2012, 07:59 PM Post #88 |
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When I took the tour my crazy was outweighed by the almost homeless savant woman wearing New Years 2009 glasses and hauling around a wheelie cart crammed full of newspapers. She shamed me with her Days knowledge. |
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| Jenna101 | Jul 7 2012, 08:32 PM Post #89 |
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Lol. Ay caramba. |
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| Kyrai | Jul 7 2012, 09:18 PM Post #90 |
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I also think the reason they are killing Jack is because they think it will free Jennifer. I've always considered myself a bigger fan of Jennifer than Jack. In fact, I abhored Jack in the 80s and credited Jennifer with making me like him. I know I hated Daniel as a perverted doctor and figured if anyone could make me like Daniel, it was probably Jennifer. But I've hated them, even after I realized I didn't want Jennifer with Jack anymore. I wanted Jack free of her. I was re-watching the 1989 Christmas episodes (actually looking for a Shane/RoJohn scene) and Jennifer was on after Frankie had left and Emilio was entering the picture. I enjoyed watching all of my favorite characters except her. If not for Mike and Alice, I would have forwarded thru Jen's they were so awkward compared to the rest of the show. I've realized Jennifer still seems like that young actress. She hasn't matured over the years, and that's a big part of what I disliked about her with Daniel, the big teenage doe eyes. Conversely, Jack and Jo had a small Christmas story that was wonderful, and I thought, why can't the writers make good use of him. I am upset that they are getting rid of MA. Losing him is not going to make me enjoy Jennifer. I think there is a lot more potential for story with Jack... I'm hugely bummed. |
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| annie21 | Jul 7 2012, 09:31 PM Post #91 |
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Interesting take on the characters. Yeah, a lot of people complained that the writers dumbed down the character of Jennifer and had her act like a selfish teenager so that they could "sell" Dannifer and later the triangle. In fact, she seemed more mature back in 89-90 than she did last fall. |
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| Jarlena4Eva | Jul 7 2012, 09:31 PM Post #92 |
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I would understand them killing Jack off, if Jack and Jennifer were actually a stable couple. Perhaps they used to be, but not anymore. When time comes for Bo to leave, I don't see any other option besides killing him off. Bo would never leave Hope. It's just not gonna happen. It's the same as when they killed John Black. When they made the decision to fire Drake, there was no other way to get rid of him besides killing him off. John would never in a million years leave Marlena. It just couldn't happen. Killing Jack isn't necessary. He can simply leave. He's done it in the past and it's not out of character. I realize their supercouple status was cemented in the early '90's, but it's just to far gone to save it. It's not a current status anymore. Bo/Hope, John/Marlena and Doug/Julie are the three remaining supercouples left on this show. When Bo leaves it will be down to two, but in actuality it will be one, since Doug/Julie are never seen. It's a sad thing, especially since this show built supercouples. John and Marlena will be the only one remaining. Edited by Jarlena4Eva, Jul 7 2012, 09:33 PM.
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| Romancer66 | Jul 7 2012, 09:48 PM Post #93 |
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That's an interesting perspective, and I'm kind of relieved I'm not the only one who's still seeing Jennifer the Eternal Ingenue in this current incarnation of her. And it sure doesn't suit a forty-something mother of two who used to be an avid investigative journalist. Watching Jennifer simpering at Daniel, fawning over him, waiting by the phone for him to call, and primping in front of the mirror before their dates was wince-inducing. So was her continual fretting over whether she was pretty enough for him. She came across as more juvenile and immature than when she truly was a teen. It's not even just that she's failed to evolve for at least ten years (I did see some maturation during her second run under B&C, when she finally did admit to Jack that she had some issues too and had also contributed to the problems in their marriage), but she's actually regressed this time around. Jack, by contrast, has been continually evolving since MA assumed the role. And he reached the point in this run where I felt that he'd outgrown Jennifer. Her failure to support him during his PTSD, even as a friend, hammered home how completely shallow she'd become. He suffered, learned, and grew--she did none of those things. I really wanted to see Jack explore life and even love without her. I couldn't care less about what Jen-Jen does without him. Been there, done that, hated it the five or six times they already tried that. |
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| DesignatedShelley | Jul 7 2012, 10:13 PM Post #94 |
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The aggravating part is this is always framed as a problem with supercouple fans instead of the writers. I'm not saying you're doing this, but it's definitely an idea floating out there amongst TPTB as well as a good number of fans. It's the creatives' own damn fault for not knowing how to exit a supercouple with grace. The best example you can credit Days for is how it transitioned from Roman/Marlena to John/Marlena. Despite all the various complaints, in the end I do not think they intended to trash Roman and Marlena's significance to each other, Roman was not overly villainized (yes sure he was a jerk, but a believable human jerk rather than an outright leper), Marlena was flawed but sympathetic, and John was a legitimately popular beau for her. Hell they were probably more than fair to Roman considering they have kept Josh Taylor on for 15 befuddling years. Bope 1 first ended with Hope's death; Peter wanted to come back to the show while Kristian wanted to continue trying primetime. Bo/Carly and Bo/Billie were generally successful. When Hope returned (to fan anticipation) Bope got a successful reunion story from JER. S/K 1 first ended with Steve's death; Stephen wanted to leave while Mary-Beth didn't. Shane/Kayla was not very successful and then both actors left. When Steve and Kayla returned many fans tuned back in to watch a tepid reunion story from Sheffer. K/S ended with divorce; Patsy left a few times near the end of her run and the word on the street was she wanted to come back permanently but never was asked. An off-screen reconciliation for Kim and Shane seems to be hinted at after years of pretty much nothing for the couple. J/J 1 ended with divorce; both actors wanted to stay and liked acting together but Matt was fired, angering fans. Jennifer/Peter was successful enough (IIRC?) but as part of a triangle including Mark's Jack. It's hard to tell what role popularity had in J&J's eventually becoming end game (and Peter being villainized for them) because unpopular recasts confound the situation (ie they were reunited just to be written off; effectively a bone to the fans). J/J 2 ended with an off-screen separation; Missy returned before Matt (both met with fan anticipation IIRC) and the marital problems gave them instant storyline. Langan's choice to blame Jack more than Jennifer wasn't a huge hit within the fanbase. Jennifer/Colin, Jennifer/Brandon and Jack/Greta were approached but none of them really took off. Colin was eventually made a villain and J&J were written as end-game by B&C. Fans were overall pleased...ish. J/J 3 ended with divorce; Missy again returned before Matt. Fan reaction was more mixed because of Matt's firings during JER 2. In 2003 Jack died (and his organs donated!), and Patrick Lockhart hovered around before JER moved him between Bope. Then Matt came back as Jack and JER gave him a fatal disease storyline that enabled Frankifer 2 (more popular than Dannifer but overall not necessarily more than J/J). Matt was fired in 2006 after Missy was told he wouldn't be if she quit (which she did). They were written off together -- effectively a bone to the fans. Once they were both back the triangle with Daniel was unpopular and their reunion was an obvious mere bone to fans as the storyline ended up pleasing neither J/J nor J/D fans. Bope 2 survived challenges from Billie, Gina/John, Carly, Zach's death, Patrick Lockhart, maybe some other things I'm forgetting. Apart from Zach's death many of these storylines have not really met with much fan enthusiasm, though their fanbase remains strong and supportive. Peter is slated to leave the show this year (2012) but we don't know how his character's exit will be written. He seems to not want to leave and the show seems to want him to stay, but the particulars of likely his salary and/or his storylines/guarantees could not be agreed upon by all parties involved. S/K 2 is now seemingly ending with divorce; Mary Beth is recurring and wants to be on the show but Stephen does not want to come back. It remains to be seen how damaging the writing is to Steve and how well any new pairing (possibly with Abe?) fares with fans. J/J 4 appears to be ending with Jack dying again. It's not yet confirmed that Missy will renew in September though it's generally assumed that the show will still want her. Matt once again did not want to leave, but was fired. Rumors of Dannifer 2.0 don't seem too popular overall (even if they do bother Matt and Jack fans the most). ... Hopefully I got that all right. I know this post is long but I wanted to make a few points: Killing off a character is neither necessary nor sufficient for a new pairing to succeed. Hope died and Bo had successful storylines with Carly and Billie. Steve died but Kayla did not have a successful storyline with Shane. Roman did not die yet John/Marlena still successfully happened. Matt has never quit or stayed away on purpose like Wayne, Diedre, Peter, Kristian, Stephen, Mary Beth, Charles, or Melissa. Everyone else who was killed off (Wayne's, Dee's, Kristian's and Stephen's characters) were killed off when their actors chose for whatever reason to walk away from their roles. Successful triangles involve sympathetic characters. In general, Roman/Marlena/John and Billie/Bo/Hope were played with all involved characters as inherently rootable. In one case the rooting side shifted and in the other it shifted back, but nobody tends to complain about any character being trashed as a result (unless you get to Krista's Billie, but that's after Lisa's Billie left Bo to Hope). Only J&J have made it up to four separations. People get mad when you undo the magic that made their couple work. You can pull off the young Jack leaving his family out of guilt at causing his child's fatal illness much more successfully than you can pull off 40-something Jennifer getting sick of and angry with Jack for being a reporter (hello, they were an office romance). You can pull off Steve rejoining the ISA much more easily before Joe's birth than after (family has a fundamental role in all Johnsons' identities). You can pull off Bo and Hope falling apart over Zach's death more successfully than Bo shacking up with Billie in the bed he shares with Hope. Break up or no break up, just don't tell fans of a successful and huge couple that what their characters have/once had means nothing. That is what pisses fans off. Don't say it meant nothing. It seems like TPTB like to blame pesky supercouple fans for not letting the show grow, but it's bullshit. I don't visit all the various boards/soap sites but I know that the J&J fanbase at least have been begging for Jack to leave Jennifer since last year. They wanted Jack to stay and move on from Jennifer back in 2006 when Missy left. Are there people who want their couple together despite any concern for story quality? Sure, but there are people who can be along for the ride even if you break up their couple, so long as it is done well and respectfully. Days has resorted to killing people off before, but it's not necessary, and it should be obvious that doing it repeatedly to one character makes that character a joke. And it is only Jack that is made a bad guy whenever he isn't killed off. When Wayne left in 1994, there was a certain amount of respect given his character and the love he had with Marlena, and when Roman came back (as Josh Taylor) he actually got new romances (Josh fucking Taylor). If they don't want to deal with supercouple fans' ire, why treat one half of their couple so badly? Tease J&J while moving Jennifer on, for fuck's sake. You can't tell me that that would piss supercouple fans off more than getting rid of Jack. There is utterly no logic in that. Or if Matt has to go, let them separate for emotionally logical reasons, perhaps angsty but mutual. How on earth could they possibly think that would piss fans off less than killing Jack off and firing Matt for the umpteenth time? The only conclusions are either that they are stupid or that they mean to stick it to J&J fans. Neither scenario flatters them as professionals in the entertainment industry. Edited by DesignatedShelley, Jul 7 2012, 10:24 PM.
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| Sariah | Jul 7 2012, 11:09 PM Post #95 |
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It's been many years since I went. I hope that report isn't true and they haven't stopped doing the tours - I really enjoyed mine! We got to see a lot of soap sets that were "put away" (and the Phloe fangirl in me freaked the freak out by being able to touch the folded up Welseys' porch where Phloe had their first kiss), and we also saw two giant sound stages - one was closed up and they were filming in there (we could see Shawn and Belle in the pool together on a TV monitor, like the ones they have in the makeup room), and the other stage was open and we could see all the sets that were there. They said they moved between the two sound stages so that they could film quickly without having to spend time waiting to set up. I so wanted to see a Days actor...and who did we actually see? Freaking Kyle Brandt. Fauxlip. Total disappointment. But as was mentioned, we got to go past the dressing rooms and the wardrobe room and all kinds of fun things. It's also fun walking around Salem Place, which is where the tours start (inside the movie theater! LOL) If they're still running, definitely do it. |
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| trojangal | Jul 8 2012, 12:11 AM Post #96 |
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Wow I hope they haven't discontinues the studio tours they are a lot of fun & if you are lucky you can see what sets they are filming on that day & who is filming. I have been about 5 or six times, the last time was in November 2011. I will have to ask around & see what the deal is with the tours. The tip about going around lunch time is a good one since Days seems to be on a split taping schedule so you might catch stars walking to lunch or heading home for the day. I saw Casey D & Mark H in the hall during one tour as they were leaving for the day they stopped & chatted with us very friendly but the tour guide got mad. One tourJames Scott walked past us on to the set & sort of Caught Ali Sweeney running lines on the set with her hair up in curlers once lol . I happened to be there for Missy's first day back and saw her on the monitor as she was taping. Now I went once & didn't see anyone so it is all a matter of luck |
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| mer4santo | Jul 8 2012, 12:22 AM Post #97 |
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Potato/potatoe |
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| eugenie | Jul 8 2012, 07:20 AM Post #98 |
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Damn them to hell forever for firing MA. Now disgusting Jen stays. Hate her guts. Handsome, funny, complex, interesting. Best male actor on the show. FUCK YOU DOOL!! |
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| Kali | Jul 8 2012, 08:12 AM Post #99 |
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I'm wondering what they're going to do with Jennifer. My guess is that they'll try her in a Nicole-Daniel-Rafe quad. I liked the dynamic between Nicole and Jennifer during the mayoral campaign. |
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| Star784 | Jul 8 2012, 08:20 AM Post #100 |
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As much as i dislike this..I bet this is going to happen. I at least hope the writers make it not boring... |
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