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Thursday, July 5th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 4 2012, 01:01 PM (6,054 Views)
mer4santo
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Thomson
Jul 5 2012, 04:59 AM
May wonders never cease, Days remembers that Lexie died last week!
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lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:24 AM
While those top three are my biggest issue, if you take the last few years into account Nicole and Daniel are up there, too. But really, none of it would be a problem if their stories were worth the time it takes to turn on the tv. Seriously, if you don't like EJ or Sami (not the pairing, the individual chaacters) this show has nothing to offer you.
That's what I'm trying to say...if Nicole had a decent story, I would be watching (FF a lot but watching.) For me its not really airtime because those characters you mention have had a lot of airtime in recent years, but its story. AZ was leader in airtime in 09, but it was her story, and I didnt mind at all that she was on a lot because the story kept me watching. Was it a perfect story, no...but it had a beginning, middle and end and played well by a competent actress (who until recently wasnt given the responsibility of being lead.) When she was, she rose to the challenge.
Edited by Liz<3Days, Jul 5 2012, 09:40 AM.
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Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:31 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 5 2012, 09:14 AM
^^Of course it's due to NBC....history proves that they can't run their network....they are having real bad issues with their prime time ratings across the board.....so what do they do....they stick their nose in and try to fix Days which in fact probably was doing better than some of their prime time shows.


mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 09:12 AM
It continues to be disappointing that they can't write strongly for more than one or two stories. Isolating all of the stories doesn't help either. Why doesnt Daniel know that Chad thinks Ames missing? Why doesn't Victor or Maggie know that Brady's behavior has radically changed? Wouldn't John notice something?

Victor and John will have to see Brady to know that something is off. Yet, they barely share any scenes with him. He is all about Madison and now Ian.

The balance which MarDar stated out doing well in writing has completely vanished and I'd place bets that it's due to NBC.


NBC can't do worse than KC. He gave us SAFE, The Days of Rafe's Show as well as the Hernandez. And IMO, MarDar didn't have a balance. It was all about E.J., Sami, Nicole, Rafe, Carrie, Bradison, Hope, Bo, Will, Marlena and John.
And Dannifer and crazy Abby and Eggbaby and Vaggie... Early on they balanced the uninteresting stories quite well.

For as much shyte as I might give them, MarDar were still leagues above Higley and Tomlin.
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Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 09:37 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:31 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 5 2012, 09:14 AM
^^Of course it's due to NBC....history proves that they can't run their network....they are having real bad issues with their prime time ratings across the board.....so what do they do....they stick their nose in and try to fix Days which in fact probably was doing better than some of their prime time shows.


mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 09:12 AM
It continues to be disappointing that they can't write strongly for more than one or two stories. Isolating all of the stories doesn't help either. Why doesnt Daniel know that Chad thinks Ames missing? Why doesn't Victor or Maggie know that Brady's behavior has radically changed? Wouldn't John notice something?

Victor and John will have to see Brady to know that something is off. Yet, they barely share any scenes with him. He is all about Madison and now Ian.

The balance which MarDar stated out doing well in writing has completely vanished and I'd place bets that it's due to NBC.


NBC can't do worse than KC. He gave us SAFE, The Days of Rafe's Show as well as the Hernandez. And IMO, MarDar didn't have a balance. It was all about E.J., Sami, Nicole, Rafe, Carrie, Bradison, Hope, Bo, Will, Marlena and John.
And Dannifer and crazy Abby and Eggbaby and Vaggie... Early on they balanced the uninteresting stories quite well.

For as much shyte as I might give them, MarDar were still leagues above Higley and Tomlin.


Yes, they were. They made DAYS watchable, which it wasn't in all of 2011.
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lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
Exactly. I won't dispute that John, Marlena, Bo, and Hope have had a good amount of episodes, but the show certainly hasn't been about them. They've had one story. It sucked and it only lasted a few weeks. That's where my issue with James Scott's episode count. If he had that many episodes and was leading some but supporting some, too, it would be different. Most of the vets have about five minutes per episode and spend a lot of time in the background, so even if they were on every day it wouldn't make a difference.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:31 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 5 2012, 09:14 AM
^^Of course it's due to NBC....history proves that they can't run their network....they are having real bad issues with their prime time ratings across the board.....so what do they do....they stick their nose in and try to fix Days which in fact probably was doing better than some of their prime time shows.


NBC can't do worse than KC for 3 years. He gave us SAFE, The Days of Rafe's Show as well as the Hernandez.

mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 09:12 AM
It continues to be disappointing that they can't write strongly for more than one or two stories. Isolating all of the stories doesn't help either. Why doesnt Daniel know that Chad thinks Ames missing? Why doesn't Victor or Maggie know that Brady's behavior has radically changed? Wouldn't John notice something?

The balance which MarDar stated out doing well in writing has completely vanished and I'd place bets that it's due to NBC.


Victor and John will have to see Brady to know that something is off. Yet, they barely share any scenes with him. He is all about Madison and now Ian. What's up with that?

And IMO, MarDar didn't have a balance. It was all about E.J., Sami, Nicole, Rafe, Carrie, Bradison, Hope, Will, Marlena and John.
The network has always had a say in story lines though and 2009 was a good year for Days ratings wise and I might hate them so much but Rafe/Safe where all over that year.....what appears to have happened this last time around is that they weren't really involved in the 'reset', that seemed to be all Corday/Meng, but less than a year into the reset it was proven a failure so NBC logically thought they had to step in since they let Corday run the entire thing last time and it hasn't been that long. This time he appears to have been sidelined but don't rule out a Corday power play if the ratings aren't considerably higher in about 6 months.....if the show is still doing bad in the ratings by let's say... the spring, I can see Corday telling NBC that if they don't renew the show, they will be to blame since they were heavily in charge of all the decisions that lead to even worse ratings than the show had 6 months before.
Edited by LuvingLumi, Jul 5 2012, 09:57 AM.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:51 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
Exactly. I won't dispute that John, Marlena, Bo, and Hope have had a good amount of episodes, but the show certainly hasn't been about them. They've had one story. It sucked and it only lasted a few weeks. That's where my issue with James Scott's episode count. If he had that many episodes and was leading some but supporting some, too, it would be different. Most of the vets have about five minutes per episode and spend a lot of time in the background, so even if they were on every day it wouldn't make a difference.
Not to mention that their screen time centered around one story. James Scott is in virtually every story, even those he doesn't belong in, while characters that SHOULD be in those stories aren't and lack screen time as a result.
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I would even argue that its not Rafe of our Lives. Why? Well, do we know anything more about Rafe then we did when he came to Salem? If he has a family, why was he in the orphanage? What kind of trouble did he get into? How about his dad? Some of these questions should have been answered if the story was about HIM. Its not...its about him being in this "holding pattern" until Sami pays attention to him again.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
Which reminds me, now that Stefano is dead will we ever see the completion of the pointless Alamania/half coin story? ( or did I miss the dramatic two scene reveal.)
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Kriss4


That's true. Characters are too isolated. John and Victor should be having scenes with Brady.
Jack should have had more scenes with Abby, with his sister Adrienne, with his namesake, Sonny. Kayla should have more scenes with her brother, Bo, or Hope, or Adrienne. I think today is her first scene with her niece Abby.

They make big mistakes in not making use of relationships to enrich stories.

Things that happen should also have some impact. They shouldn't be just plot points, forgotten once that story's told. Characters should grow and change based on what happens to them. Sometimes that will mean getting stronger and wiser...kinder. Sometimes maybe it will mean taking the darker road and becoming more of a villian. Not just for no real reason
but because of a life changing event.
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mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 10:15 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
Which reminds me, now that Stefano is dead will we ever see the completion of the pointless Alamania/half coin story? ( or did I miss the dramatic two scene reveal.)
I'll bet that was going to tie into something with Ian, so probably not. The Ian/Dimera thing is confusing, because we know they cut one or two of his scenes, but did NBC find out what MarDar were planning and put a stop to it before anything else could be filmed, or did MarDar drop it on their own, with plans to pick it up months later?
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Jul 5 2012, 10:20 AM
mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 10:15 AM
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Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
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Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM

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The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
Which reminds me, now that Stefano is dead will we ever see the completion of the pointless Alamania/half coin story? ( or did I miss the dramatic two scene reveal.)
I'll bet that was going to tie into something with Ian, so probably not. The Ian/Dimera thing is confusing, because we know they cut one or two of his scenes, but did NBC find out what MarDar were planning and put a stop to it before anything else could be filmed, or did MarDar drop it on their own, with plans to pick it up months later?
Of all of the new characters brought on and wasted in the past three years I think Ian is the most tragic. We need a throw away villain who comes in to wreak havoc and then goes away. Another missed opportunity wasted with disappointingly independent, but insatiably horny Madison.

I suppose you can counnt crazy Andrew as one of these but considering someone in the teen scene goes crazy every six months I hardly feel like I can call them villains.
Edited by mer4santo, Jul 5 2012, 10:27 AM.
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Jul 5 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jul 5 2012, 10:20 AM
mer4santo
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Which reminds me, now that Stefano is dead will we ever see the completion of the pointless Alamania/half coin story? ( or did I miss the dramatic two scene reveal.)
I'll bet that was going to tie into something with Ian, so probably not. The Ian/Dimera thing is confusing, because we know they cut one or two of his scenes, but did NBC find out what MarDar were planning and put a stop to it before anything else could be filmed, or did MarDar drop it on their own, with plans to pick it up months later?
Of all of the new characters brought on and wasted in the past three years I think Ian is the most tragic. We need a throw away villain who comes in to wreak havoc and then goes away. Another missed opportunity wasted with disappointingly independent, but insatiably horny Madison.

I suppose you can counnt crazy Andrew as one of these but considering someone in the teen scene goes crazy every six months I hardly feel like I can call them villains.
Agreed. I foolishly had high hopes for them both.
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Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:40 AM
mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 09:37 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:31 AM
LuvingLumi
Jul 5 2012, 09:14 AM
^^Of course it's due to NBC....history proves that they can't run their network....they are having real bad issues with their prime time ratings across the board.....so what do they do....they stick their nose in and try to fix Days which in fact probably was doing better than some of their prime time shows.


mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 09:12 AM
It continues to be disappointing that they can't write strongly for more than one or two stories. Isolating all of the stories doesn't help either. Why doesnt Daniel know that Chad thinks Ames missing? Why doesn't Victor or Maggie know that Brady's behavior has radically changed? Wouldn't John notice something?

Victor and John will have to see Brady to know that something is off. Yet, they barely share any scenes with him. He is all about Madison and now Ian.

The balance which MarDar stated out doing well in writing has completely vanished and I'd place bets that it's due to NBC.


NBC can't do worse than KC. He gave us SAFE, The Days of Rafe's Show as well as the Hernandez. And IMO, MarDar didn't have a balance. It was all about E.J., Sami, Nicole, Rafe, Carrie, Bradison, Hope, Bo, Will, Marlena and John.
And Dannifer and crazy Abby and Eggbaby and Vaggie... Early on they balanced the uninteresting stories quite well.

For as much shyte as I might give them, MarDar were still leagues above Higley and Tomlin.


Yes, they were. They made DAYS watchable, which it wasn't in all of 2011.
I really wish MarDar would've been given a better opportunity to work out their issues. They were doing a number of things right - bringing back popular characters, better balance of stories, and better character writing - and with some time, they may have worked out their issues (namely poor pacing and lack of drama in their stories). Unfortunately, their plan was obviously disrupted in February 2012 and the clusterfuck began. Who knows if MarDar definitely would have worked out their issues, but it's a shame they weren't given some opportunity. Especially when the only alternative in NBC's mind is apparently bringing back Tomlin - a many who has had PLENTY of time to show us what he can do and most of it has sucked.
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I hate, hate, HATE the destruction of Steve and Kayla. She refused to remarry for 15 years when she thought her husband was dead, but now they expect me to believe she would divorce him over his work in the ISA? TomSell, you'd better fix this.

On the bright side, at least they acknowledged that Kayla still has kids.
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Kriss4


What makes it plausible for me is the ISA involvement. Remember that Steve was involved in an assignment for the ISA when he disappeared in 1990. He was working for them then, and he ended up disappearing for 16 years. Kayla mourned him all that time. Now he's working for them again. That would bring up a lot of fear for Kayla, and remind her of a lot of pain and heartache.

Steve may have a good reason, but maybe he 's not telling Kayla what it is.

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I think Madison and Brady go down as the worst pairing in Days history. There is zero energy or chemistry between the actors and it's been all sex. No real relationship hurdles and Ian is flat as a pancake as a villain. I like Ian Buchanan but playing A villain was never his strongpoint. His disastrous run on AMC is proof of that. He's better as the antihero type he played on GH.
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mer4santo
Jul 5 2012, 10:15 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
lysie
Jul 5 2012, 09:39 AM
Ali_James
Jul 5 2012, 09:26 AM
Why did you leave Hope out? The difference between her and Rafe is 2 eppies?
Idk who you're asking, but I don't include her because she's used as supporting. She has a high episode count but lower actual screentime.
The only story Hope lead was with John and the Alamainia story. That was done within two months. It's really never talked about again. All these stories are isolated from each other. No one story effects the rest. That's another issue with DAYS.
Which reminds me, now that Stefano is dead will we ever see the completion of the pointless Alamania/half coin story? ( or did I miss the dramatic two scene reveal.)
I hope not. That entire story sucked. The ONLY good thing about it was Stefano.

Today's show was a wasteland. This entire show is too ridiculous and bad to endure. My favorite couple ever: trashed in a couple of scenes. My favorite actor currently appearing: trashed in orange grease. My least favorite actor ever: worse than ever plus strangely leathery-orange lately.

Will embroiled in an abusive relationship with the absurdly over-exposed, blinking blinking enigma of a character (not in complexity or anything-- in a who the hell is he supposed to be kind of thing).

Brady and Mad are really bad, but I give the worst couple honor to Elvis and the colossally bad Taylor. Both versions of her, especially the bony, stuttering one.

How sad.
Edited by eugenie, Jul 5 2012, 04:19 PM.
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