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Jul 5 2012, 10:01 PM
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- Jul 5 2012, 06:01 PM
You should try being a Jack fan. Two lines last Friday and no sign for the next 2 weeks when he probably only has 3-4 weeks (excluding the Olympic break) or so left before his last appearance. Seems there will be zero build to whatever his exit is. Not even a few moments to remember before he's gone again.
I too don't get the big deal with JS or EJ or why he needs to be in every.single.storyline. They can keep both of us happy.. What happened to Jack exposing EJ's bid to be governor storyline.. (not that EJ needs another storyline) Why was it even mentioned if it wasn't going to go anywhere. Jack and EJ in scenes together would be my idea of heaven.
Just need to work out what other EJ storylines can be dropped in order to make this happen. If Salem Police Dept could step up the detective work that one could go.
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Jul 5 2012, 11:08 PM
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- Jul 5 2012, 09:42 PM
What does Abby do? What's her job?
She was going to be a model for Madison (I think?) against her mother's wishes, don't know what's happened to all that now. She won a writing award not long ago. I think Jennifer said Abby's interests are so diverse at this point that she's not sure what she wants to do. She worked at Shawn's garage in 2006 (when she happened to be a college student ... she's just been in college for a looooong time).
I'm not saying she needs to be a doctor or a reporter but this girl is too educated and characterized as too cultured and opinionated to waste on non-jobs like the Salem fashion or cosmetics industry. Let her do something that will let her get in on some action, whether or not it lets her be around the hunk of the week.
(Watch, Abby will now start a job at the hospital and see Cameron and talk about him to Aunt Kayla allllllll the time. Then in 9 months when Cameron is given the boot nobody mentions any kind of career in medicine again.)
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Jul 6 2012, 07:37 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 10:15 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 09:42 AM
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Which reminds me, now that Stefano is dead will we ever see the completion of the pointless Alamania/half coin story? ( or did I miss the dramatic two scene reveal.)
I hope not. That entire story sucked. The ONLY good thing about it was Stefano. Today's show was a wasteland. This entire show is too ridiculous and bad to endure. My favorite couple ever: trashed in a couple of scenes. My favorite actor currently appearing: trashed in orange grease. My least favorite actor ever: worse than ever plus strangely leathery-orange lately. Will embroiled in an abusive relationship with the absurdly over-exposed, blinking blinking enigma of a character (not in complexity or anything-- in a who the hell is he supposed to be kind of thing). Brady and Mad are really bad, but I give the worst couple honor to Elvis and the colossally bad Taylor. Both versions of her, especially the bony, stuttering one. How sad.
I agree with a lot of this. There are a lot of us out here, me included, that are really only watching anymore because of EJ. For me, he makes almost any storyline bearable. He is s good soap actor, he manages to play the badass with enough softness to make him empathetic and, let's face it, he is really easy on the eyes. But, there is the catch-22. Because so many fans love EJ, they stick him everywhere and then soon, no one matters anymore except for EJ. I want EJ on in a leading man role, but I also want to like and care about other characters and storylines that don't involve EJ and, right now, I really don't. If so many fans love EJ and he can carry any story and has chemistry with everyone including a lamp, why when he was at front and center in 2011 with Nicole by the way while Sweeney was off on her book tour did the show spiral downward and has since he's been front and center for years. I actually like EJ but I like him when he's on 2 to 3 days a week and not in every story.
Most viewers dont watch for one character they watch for drama. That's why this show got a little bump when Stefano was shot, when EJ and Sami had sex, when Nicole was exposed as stealing Sami's kid, when Rafe2 got exposed, when Parkers paternity came out and the list goes on. the never ending back and forth with Will and EJ has gotten dull and drama free.
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Jul 6 2012, 08:19 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 07:20 PM
This show is skating around on the surface and is too lazy to actually build real relationships and real love stories.
I disagree. Take a look at Will and Sonny. They have been building their relationship for a year and they still haven't reached first base. That's a slow build relationship for any soap nowadays. They re the only couple they are doing that for, though. And I'm grateful that they are, even though I think it's only because they are a same-sex couple.
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Jul 6 2012, 08:21 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 10:15 AM
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I hope not. That entire story sucked. The ONLY good thing about it was Stefano. Today's show was a wasteland. This entire show is too ridiculous and bad to endure. My favorite couple ever: trashed in a couple of scenes. My favorite actor currently appearing: trashed in orange grease. My least favorite actor ever: worse than ever plus strangely leathery-orange lately. Will embroiled in an abusive relationship with the absurdly over-exposed, blinking blinking enigma of a character (not in complexity or anything-- in a who the hell is he supposed to be kind of thing). Brady and Mad are really bad, but I give the worst couple honor to Elvis and the colossally bad Taylor. Both versions of her, especially the bony, stuttering one. How sad.
I agree with a lot of this. There are a lot of us out here, me included, that are really only watching anymore because of EJ. For me, he makes almost any storyline bearable. He is s good soap actor, he manages to play the badass with enough softness to make him empathetic and, let's face it, he is really easy on the eyes. But, there is the catch-22. Because so many fans love EJ, they stick him everywhere and then soon, no one matters anymore except for EJ. I want EJ on in a leading man role, but I also want to like and care about other characters and storylines that don't involve EJ and, right now, I really don't.
If so many fans love EJ and he can carry any story and has chemistry with everyone including a lamp, why when he was at front and center in 2011 with Nicole by the way while Sweeney was off on her book tour did the show spiral downward and has since he's been front and center for years. I actually like EJ but I like him when he's on 2 to 3 days a week and not in every story. Most viewers dont watch for one character they watch for drama. That's why this show got a little bump when Stefano was shot, when EJ and Sami had sex, when Nicole was exposed as stealing Sami's kid, when Rafe2 got exposed, when Parkers paternity came out and the list goes on. the never ending back and forth with Will and EJ has gotten dull and drama free. AS's book tour was in 08-09 and she never took a break to do the tour. She and her stories were just as much on as she has been since 07.
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Jul 6 2012, 08:23 AM
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- DesignatedShelley
- Jul 5 2012, 08:06 PM
Oh and I have to say about Kayla/Abe - maybe my perspective is skewed, but I honestly don't feel that bad about it. Abe is a nice guy, and he and Kayla have actually known each other for a while. The friendship between the two is believable. And honestly, the fact that Abe is just "honest ol' Abe" means that the Steve/Kayla shipper in me doesn't feel all that threatened. I can't see them playing this like they're each other's new soul mates or something. At most it'd be like Maggie/Victor, where Mickey is still pretty much the love of Maggie's life regardless.
Now I'm not saying that Steve won't be trashed in this process, and of course I would hate it if that keeps happening. But the choice of Abe as Kayla's #2, honestly I would much rather Abe than Daniel or Rafe or Brady or something. Abe isn't a romance novel cover model, he's ... a nice guy who can provide companionship and affection. I'd rather watch a Steve and Kayla story, but since SN is not in the mood to come back, honestly I can't think of another character on canvas I'd rather put Kayla with.
Mike Horton would make sense if he was around, but honestly I think Mike would be a bigger threat to the S/K legacy than Abe.
That's just my $0.02, I don't necessarily mean that I think this will be a good story. But considering a "Kayla moves on from Steve" story, I'm pretty okay with the fact that they chose Abe to be that #2 guy, precisely because it's hard to believe that Abe could ever replace Steve. I never shipped Abe/Lexie all that hard but I was used to them as a fixture and I can't see Kayla replacing Lexie for Abe either. My gripes with this are ...I still don't see why they bothered to bring Kayla back at all without Steve and to work at the pub. All of a sudden Lexie is dead and she's on all the time (allegedly being chem tested with Abe before "Lexie's" body is even cold) when she was barely on before. I personally would have preferred if they had left her and Steve alone and not brought her back at all. And now she's propping Cameron? Lame, lame, lame.
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Jul 6 2012, 08:28 AM
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- Matt
- Jul 5 2012, 09:21 PM
Today Kate looked like the lovechild of Doris Day and Maleficent who was on her way to an acid dropping psychedelic picnic. LMFAO!!!!! I thought Kate looked good. Better than she usually does anyway, though my husband called her a "retarded bumble bee."
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Jul 6 2012, 08:29 AM
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I hope not. That entire story sucked. The ONLY good thing about it was Stefano. Today's show was a wasteland. This entire show is too ridiculous and bad to endure. My favorite couple ever: trashed in a couple of scenes. My favorite actor currently appearing: trashed in orange grease. My least favorite actor ever: worse than ever plus strangely leathery-orange lately. Will embroiled in an abusive relationship with the absurdly over-exposed, blinking blinking enigma of a character (not in complexity or anything-- in a who the hell is he supposed to be kind of thing). Brady and Mad are really bad, but I give the worst couple honor to Elvis and the colossally bad Taylor. Both versions of her, especially the bony, stuttering one. How sad.
I agree with a lot of this. There are a lot of us out here, me included, that are really only watching anymore because of EJ. For me, he makes almost any storyline bearable. He is s good soap actor, he manages to play the badass with enough softness to make him empathetic and, let's face it, he is really easy on the eyes. But, there is the catch-22. Because so many fans love EJ, they stick him everywhere and then soon, no one matters anymore except for EJ. I want EJ on in a leading man role, but I also want to like and care about other characters and storylines that don't involve EJ and, right now, I really don't.
If so many fans love EJ and he can carry any story and has chemistry with everyone including a lamp, why when he was at front and center in 2011 with Nicole by the way while Sweeney was off on her book tour did the show spiral downward and has since he's been front and center for years. I actually like EJ but I like him when he's on 2 to 3 days a week and not in every story. Most viewers dont watch for one character they watch for drama. That's why this show got a little bump when Stefano was shot, when EJ and Sami had sex, when Nicole was exposed as stealing Sami's kid, when Rafe2 got exposed, when Parkers paternity came out and the list goes on. the never ending back and forth with Will and EJ has gotten dull and drama free. I have been watching this show for fours years and in that time, Sweeney has never been off canvas, so if she was on a book tour, they must have taped her scenes in advance so that the audience continued seeing her. Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
Wasn't 2011 when they were trying to sell this love at first sight between EJ and Taylor. They were mostly concentrating on that not so much EJ and Nicole. We had a couple of months of EJ and Nicole, and us thinking that finally they will continue writing for EJ and Nicole when they decided to have EJ fall in love with Nicole's sister. Even when we had scenes with EJ and Nicole their number one topic of conversation was Taylor. They turned Nicole into a clueless idiot so that they could keep writing for EJ and Taylor, and that ridiculous so called love story did nothing for the ratings. Sweeney was still on the show then. She was busy with Rafe 2.
They have EJ on almost everyday but, the stories that they put him in are not good. (with the exception of Lexi's story) It is ridiculous how they suddenly have EJ and Sami being bff. The audience are not stupid, and they recognise BS when they see it, and it's a lot of that with how they are writing EJ and also Sami So, even though he is a fav. it is entirely possible to be bored with him. Sami is another one that is on too often. Every story she is in. It is not just EJ.
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Jul 6 2012, 08:30 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 09:21 PM
Today Kate looked like the lovechild of Doris Day and Maleficent who was on her way to an acid dropping psychedelic picnic.
Lol, Matt! Between the lighting in the DiMera mansion and Kate Mansi's appearance today, I'm 0 for 2 with you right now! I was curious as to how Abby was able to put on such a fancy updo in the 3 seconds that Cameron "stopped by her place so she could change." She went from casual/wearing a wifebeater to looking like the Girl from Ipanema in seconds. Impressive! lol
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Jul 6 2012, 08:39 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 09:40 PM
I don't mind if Abby and Cameron are going out a lot, getting busy, etc. But Abby seemed soooo distraught at the idea of him going to Chicago. Just, why? Is his berry-picking just that good?
Dating, you can rush. Lust, you can rush. Love takes a bit more thought. And when you try to do it with a cookie-cutter romance like Abby/Cameron it's going to be even worse. The actor can't pull off Mr Perfect naturally enough and Cameron has absolutely no personality written in to him. I don't care about his connection with Lexie since it was just invented 5 seconds ago. His angst with Abby is rushed and thus laughable. They're just bright young pretty people (and honestly Cameron isn't even that pretty).
All of Abby's romances are so damn bland. Max, Chad, Cameron, you'd think she ran over a soap writer's dog in a previous life or something. At this point my favorite Abby ship is Abby/Josh (that guy who worked at the Java Cafe and was on screen for all of 15 seconds). All of her relationships with any actual chemistry are with friends and family (Jack, Jennifer, Nick, Chelsea ...). I feel so bad for her, I thought both older Abby actresses were/are promising but the character just gets jackshit for storyline. Girl should be out in the world pursuing a career or an adventure or a mission, not boring guys with no personalities. :hail:
Couldn't agree more with this post. It's not just Abby though...(Although at least she's a good actress and has more potential than most in that age bracket for an interesting s/l outside of insta-love) None of the young people have any direction whatsoever. Cameron's a doctor. Ok. But he's butt fucking ugly and boring as hell. Chad doesn't want to go into the family business. He stopped being a model...so he's doing what now? Going to school? To be what? Abby was supposedly pursuing a writing career, then forensic accounting (lol) than what? Oh wait she was modeling too...lol Melanie WAS a nurse, then she worked at the spa. then she was a model. Then she was back at the spa cuz Maggie owned it???....Gabi? WTF has she done besides go to school and be a model long enough to take one frigging photo with Chad? They are all boring as fuck! Sonny at least owns his own business where he sometimes even gets to interact with other people in town, or it is implied that he does. Will is working with EJ which for now is entertaining enough....
I'm not saying that their future careers are going to help create personalities for them...but it would be a start.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:09 AM
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Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down. The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:13 AM
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Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before. I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:33 AM
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Until someone brings up the similarities of the babyswitch and now, I dont even see a comparison. They seem so foreign and dissimilar. The players in the stories maybe somewhat similar but there's no story- no continuity, EJ knows the baby is his, nothing about it other than the one thread tying the two stories together- someone hiding another kid from EJ, is the only thing they have in common. I wish it was as entertaining as the first. I knew Nicole would get caught, but it was such a satisfying story, that the ending was proper. Nicole was the one who did the bad things, so they usually get caught and pay...I say usually.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:37 AM
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Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out. Stories that are highin drama draw viewers.people like to brag about OLTL's ratings but the show for most of Carlivatis reign was at the bottom of the pack. It only got a bump when they did the 2 todd story over last summer and guess what when one Todd left and was murdered ratings started dropping again because it moved into repetition for months.
Stefano's murder could have been one of those stories had they actually done a rea, umbrella story and murder mystery and played up the motives of all the suspects but they dropped the ball and now we are all supposed to be somehow fascinated and interested that EJ alone is the only suspect. Well I guess Will was for a few days.
I'll stand by what I said about EJ and Nicole last year. Both had more airtime than Sweeney and no I don't love Sweeney, but she wasn't on 5 days a week like they were. They might have been doing EJ and Taylor but most of the focus last spring was on EJ, Nicole,. and Rafe leading stories. Taylor for all her screen time was an afterthought.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:44 AM
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Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
Stories that are highin drama draw viewers.people like to brag about OLTL's ratings but the show for most of Carlivatis reign was at the bottom of the pack. It only got a bump when they did the 2 todd story over last summer and guess what when one Todd left and was murdered ratings started dropping again because it moved into repetition for months. Stefano's murder could have been one of those stories had they actually done a rea, umbrella story and murder mystery and played up the motives of all the suspects but they dropped the ball and now we are all supposed to be somehow fascinated and interested that EJ alone is the only suspect. Well I guess Will was for a few days. I'll stand by what I said about EJ and Nicole last year. Both had more airtime than Sweeney and no I don't love Sweeney, but she wasn't on 5 days a week like they were. They might have been doing EJ and Taylor but most of the focus last spring was on EJ, Nicole,. and Rafe leading stories. Taylor for all her screen time was an afterthought. I'm not entirely sure what we're debating, but James and Galen tied for the year in episode counts. AZ was next, and then AS. Sami was no where near lacking in story last year and she never took time off. I want all four of them gone.
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:13 AM
- tomsawyer
- Jul 6 2012, 09:09 AM
- Dee-anne
- Jul 6 2012, 08:29 AM
Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
Stories that are highin drama draw viewers.people like to brag about OLTL's ratings but the show for most of Carlivatis reign was at the bottom of the pack. It only got a bump when they did the 2 todd story over last summer and guess what when one Todd left and was murdered ratings started dropping again because it moved into repetition for months. Stefano's murder could have been one of those stories had they actually done a rea, umbrella story and murder mystery and played up the motives of all the suspects but they dropped the ball and now we are all supposed to be somehow fascinated and interested that EJ alone is the only suspect. Well I guess Will was for a few days. I'll stand by what I said about EJ and Nicole last year. Both had more airtime than Sweeney and no I don't love Sweeney, but she wasn't on 5 days a week like they were. They might have been doing EJ and Taylor but most of the focus last spring was on EJ, Nicole,. and Rafe leading stories. Taylor for all her screen time was an afterthought. Taylor wasnt an afterthought for this EJole fan...I would gladly say 2011 was a good year for EJole if they were actually writing an EJole story. Nope, they decided to write a stupid ass story about the love of a scarf. Then to compile the bullshit, EJ and Steffy gives us not one, but two Rafes. Great! Oh, can't forget that they killed Faye for this bullshit. Sorry, I'm not one of those fans that like my couples screaming names at each other, throwing plates and trying to fuck the sister in the limo while going to their mother's funeral...that's not the story I tune in for.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:46 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 08:23 AM
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- Jul 5 2012, 08:06 PM
Oh and I have to say about Kayla/Abe - maybe my perspective is skewed, but I honestly don't feel that bad about it. Abe is a nice guy, and he and Kayla have actually known each other for a while. The friendship between the two is believable. And honestly, the fact that Abe is just "honest ol' Abe" means that the Steve/Kayla shipper in me doesn't feel all that threatened. I can't see them playing this like they're each other's new soul mates or something. At most it'd be like Maggie/Victor, where Mickey is still pretty much the love of Maggie's life regardless.
Now I'm not saying that Steve won't be trashed in this process, and of course I would hate it if that keeps happening. But the choice of Abe as Kayla's #2, honestly I would much rather Abe than Daniel or Rafe or Brady or something. Abe isn't a romance novel cover model, he's ... a nice guy who can provide companionship and affection. I'd rather watch a Steve and Kayla story, but since SN is not in the mood to come back, honestly I can't think of another character on canvas I'd rather put Kayla with.
Mike Horton would make sense if he was around, but honestly I think Mike would be a bigger threat to the S/K legacy than Abe.
That's just my $0.02, I don't necessarily mean that I think this will be a good story. But considering a "Kayla moves on from Steve" story, I'm pretty okay with the fact that they chose Abe to be that #2 guy, precisely because it's hard to believe that Abe could ever replace Steve. I never shipped Abe/Lexie all that hard but I was used to them as a fixture and I can't see Kayla replacing Lexie for Abe either.
My gripes with this are ...I still don't see why they bothered to bring Kayla back at all without Steve and to work at the pub. All of a sudden Lexie is dead and she's on all the time (allegedly being chem tested with Abe before "Lexie's" body is even cold) when she was barely on before. I personally would have preferred if they had left her and Steve alone and not brought her back at all. And now she's propping Cameron? Lame, lame, lame. That's cool. It's your opinion and we all have one of those. But for me, well, I love Kayla. I always have. Everyone has someone they watch for, and she's one of the characters I watch for.
I feel like the field's getting smaller in terms of characters to care about because a lot of characters today are kind of selfish and self serving or they're fickle in the extreme. They think of themselves first. Their level of commitment in relationships is small. They jump from bed to bed with little time in between.
There's no character who's perfect...that's never made a mistake or hurt someone. But Kayla is a good person who cares. She has a big heart and she tries to do right. Yes, she and Steve are getting divorced, but I don't feel like a lack of love is the issue.
We've seen Kayla hurt and lonely. We've seen her sad. Sometimes angry. We've seen her fight to protect her husband. We've seen her listen and care.
I want to see her find some happiness. I'm not sure I want her with Abe. I never pictured it. But I want to see her. I think she's great.
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- reagon
- Jul 6 2012, 09:37 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:13 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:09 AM
- Dee-anne
- Jul 6 2012, 08:29 AM
Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
Stories that are highin drama draw viewers.people like to brag about OLTL's ratings but the show for most of Carlivatis reign was at the bottom of the pack. It only got a bump when they did the 2 todd story over last summer and guess what when one Todd left and was murdered ratings started dropping again because it moved into repetition for months. Stefano's murder could have been one of those stories had they actually done a rea, umbrella story and murder mystery and played up the motives of all the suspects but they dropped the ball and now we are all supposed to be somehow fascinated and interested that EJ alone is the only suspect. Well I guess Will was for a few days. I'll stand by what I said about EJ and Nicole last year. Both had more airtime than Sweeney and no I don't love Sweeney, but she wasn't on 5 days a week like they were. They might have been doing EJ and Taylor but most of the focus last spring was on EJ, Nicole,. and Rafe leading stories. Taylor for all her screen time was an afterthought. OLTL also got a bump because the network announced the cancellation....so obviously the renewed interest in the show by the fans that at one time were engaged but no longer watched would have spiked up even if the stories sucked.
The Stefano murder would have been excellent, the fact that they don't showcase every suspect witha possible motive and flashback to them possibly doing the killing to ramp up the drama is really a bad move. We had Will be a suspect for about half a minute...now the focus is on Ej, but I somehow feel that it will be ALL ABOUT EJ from this point forward,....let's just conveniently forget that there are OTHER suspects too and just because Ej failed this lie detector test, which is not admissible in court anyway, we'll focus on him. We know that in reality it's all about finding a contrived way to put Ej and Sami in the same orbit so that she could conveniently forget all he's ever done to her and other Salemites. So that she can see him in a new light....and sure this time around, he'll be innocent of the murder, but he's still guilty of other shit...but it doesn't matter as long as we get scenes with Ej and Sami so they can continue to increase the sexual tension. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results......seriously Days PTB are completely insane.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:52 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:46 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:37 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:13 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 09:09 AM
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I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
Stories that are highin drama draw viewers.people like to brag about OLTL's ratings but the show for most of Carlivatis reign was at the bottom of the pack. It only got a bump when they did the 2 todd story over last summer and guess what when one Todd left and was murdered ratings started dropping again because it moved into repetition for months. Stefano's murder could have been one of those stories had they actually done a rea, umbrella story and murder mystery and played up the motives of all the suspects but they dropped the ball and now we are all supposed to be somehow fascinated and interested that EJ alone is the only suspect. Well I guess Will was for a few days. I'll stand by what I said about EJ and Nicole last year. Both had more airtime than Sweeney and no I don't love Sweeney, but she wasn't on 5 days a week like they were. They might have been doing EJ and Taylor but most of the focus last spring was on EJ, Nicole,. and Rafe leading stories. Taylor for all her screen time was an afterthought.
OLTL also got a bump because the network announced the cancellation....so obviously the renewed interest in the show by the fans that at one time were engaged but no longer watched would have spiked up even if the stories sucked. The Stefano murder would have been excellent, the fact that they don't showcase every suspect witha possible motive and flashback to them possibly doing the killing to ramp up the drama is really a bad move. We had Will be a suspect for about half a minute...now the focus is on Ej, but I somehow feel that it will be ALL ABOUT EJ from this point forward,....let's just conveniently forget that there are OTHER suspects too and just because Ej failed this lie detector test, which is not admissible in court anyway, we'll focus on him. We know that in reality it's all about finding a contrived way to put Ej and Sami in the same orbit so that she could conveniently forget all he's ever done to her and other Salemites. So that she can see him in a new light....and sure this time around, he'll be innocent of the murder, but he's still guilty of other shit...but it doesn't matter as long as we get scenes with Ej and Sami so they can continue to increase the sexual tension. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results......seriously Days PTB are completely insane. Dontcha know that EJs "changed?" LOL.
IA, the Stefano story could have played so much better then having all of Salem coming in and out the DimMansion, touching a gun, including people that know they shouldnt (SPD) and then arresting Will, but he was at a gay bar,oops....not a suspect anymore. Now its obvious someone is framing EJ...who'll probably turn up to be one of the people leaving- Ian's the best guess. And all so that Sami can proclaim that EJ is a better man, go fuck Lucas and get mad at Rafe.
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Jul 6 2012, 09:59 AM
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Cameron could look like the hunchback of Notre Dame for all I care as long as he had a personality. I am absolutely entranced whenever I can find DOOL clips from the 70s/early 80s and none of those people looked like CK models. I enjoyed watching Jennifer getting way over her head into trouble and doing stupid(ly endearing) things while looking like an over-sprayed mall rat much more than Abby floating around from cardboard hunk to cardboard hunk looking like a Greek goddess (and yes, she did look beautiful ... but so what?).
It's a problem with all of the kids, you're right, but it feels a little more unnecessarily protracted with Abby. Chelsea had a meaty storyline with Zach, Bo and Hope. Nick got to get into trouble and go off the bend. Will has this imperfect yet lauded coming out storyline. I'm not going to vouch for the Langan teens much because I by and large hated them, but fwiw Brady got this substance abuse angle, Chloe finally became sympathetic to me with her PPD stuff before she got shipped off. Phillip and Mimi (as much as I loathe Farah Fath's acting) go to play the jilted part of romance, same as Stephanie, and that let them do something more than what Abby tends to get.
She was angry after Chad and Melanie got together, but she got over that pretty quick because of Austin. It wouldn't have been all that worth it to me to see her give more of a shit about Chad anyway since I find him dull dull dull. Then you have the Austin thing, which could have brought out something deeper in her personality. Instead it was explained away in one conversation ("Jack, our daughter has been acting out because we don't have our act together") and that's it, now she's back to being pretty and dressing pretty and making moon eyes at another dull male character.
Chelsea was the bad girl, Stephanie became one to facilitate Melanie's move into the show's ingenue spot, and Melanie herself started out as a bad girl. I think the show wants Abby to be the next heroine ala Carrie or Belle, but they need to play her as a person instead of a role. The girl had a somewhat tumultuous childhood, first with her dad barely getting to see her, then moving off to Africa, then losing her dad for three years, then moving to London, then coming back and dealing with more drama with her parents. She's got some potentially interesting family connections (Stephanie and the history between Jack and Kayla; Will and the whole Kate/Bill/Laura history; Nick and his general quirky personality; Jeremy and his douchiness). If you watch her as a child, she was curious, unnervingly observant, blunt, opinionated, precocious. She could have so much more going for her than Cameron Davis. She could be a go-getter, her parents are worldly and educated, her mother very ethical, her father pretty visionary.
I dunno, I see the way GH developed the Luke-Laura-Lucky-Lulu unit and how Y&R developed the Victor-Nikki-Victoria-Nicholas unit and I just get jealous. I think they need to bring out some Jack Deveraux in his daughter. She doesn't have to be manipulative, but ambitious and pro-active? Why not? Give her more of a personality than the Nice Girl. Let her be a little over-bearing or something, though well intentioned at heart, let her be funny, let her be a mover and a shaker. Give her a mentor, Kayla or Jack or something. Give her more to do than be the pretty girl in a romance, and I swear to god it will only enhance the story when the right romance comes along.
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