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Thursday, July 5th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 4 2012, 01:01 PM (6,049 Views)
tomsawyer
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lysie
Jul 6 2012, 09:13 AM
tomsawyer
Jul 6 2012, 09:09 AM
Dee-anne
Jul 6 2012, 08:29 AM
Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
Exactly. All they did was insert in the same players, but left out all the beats along the way that actually created the drama in the previous babyswitch. Kenny and I were talking about this a few months ago in another thread, and he pointed out the similarities between the 2009 babyswitch and the 1997 story with Kristin's fake pregnancy. DH really copied JER's dramatic beats and that gave the 2009 story the today-could-be-THE-day urgency that kept people tuning in until the climax. This 2012 story has none of that.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

I don't remember Sami saying that E.J. has changed. She told him as much when they were drinking wine at the pub!
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Ali_James
Jul 6 2012, 10:10 AM
I don't remember Sami saying that E.J. has changed. She told him as much when they were drinking wine at the pub!
Sami hasn't been saying that EJ has changed. She keeps telling him that this is his opportunity to "be his own man," but as recently as last week she said that she doesn't think he wants to change. So far this Ejami story hasn't been a re-hash of 2010 where poor, innocent Sami falls victim to the manipulations of big, bad EJ. But with Tomlin's writing starting soon, I wouldn't be suprised to see it veer in that direction. Maybe GT will surprise me, but he seems to just adore victim Sami, SuperRafe and dastardly EJ.
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I've always wanted the fact that Jack raped Kayla to be discovered by Abby and Stephanie. But it can't effectively happen without Jack and Stephanie. You'd need those characters present, along with Steve, to make it worthwhile. Kayla and Abby wouldn't be enough for that tale.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

The baby switch SL, wasn't my fave. But at least there WAS a story. Nicole needed a child who looked like E.J. to hold on to him, so she took Sami's. Sami and E.J. mourning Grace, whom they thought was hers. Sami and Nicole showing sympathy and support to each other. Nicole and Brady bonding, Nicole's vulnerability in a way that I have never seen her be with E.J. There were lots of things to enjoy.

Hell if I know what the story is supposed to be in this recent baby drama. Unless, E.J. is not the father (and Nicole switched the DNA results because she didn't want him to find out that he is NOT the baby's father). Just let him think he is, in order to make him suffer. I don't know what is the point. E.J. KNOWS that it's his child. He hasn't done anything to prove Nicole wrong. He barely mentions that baby. Now she is sleeping with Daniel, while pretending that Rafe is her baby daddy.

Anyhoo, unless someone else fathered Nicole's child or she loses her baby (after she deprived E.J. the opportunity to bond with his child), which will lead him to go after her, I don't know what SL is supposed to be?

It's just an awful SL alltogether!
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Kriss4
Jul 6 2012, 09:46 AM
Lil
Jul 6 2012, 08:23 AM
DesignatedShelley
Jul 5 2012, 08:06 PM
Oh and I have to say about Kayla/Abe - maybe my perspective is skewed, but I honestly don't feel that bad about it. Abe is a nice guy, and he and Kayla have actually known each other for a while. The friendship between the two is believable. And honestly, the fact that Abe is just "honest ol' Abe" means that the Steve/Kayla shipper in me doesn't feel all that threatened. I can't see them playing this like they're each other's new soul mates or something. At most it'd be like Maggie/Victor, where Mickey is still pretty much the love of Maggie's life regardless.

Now I'm not saying that Steve won't be trashed in this process, and of course I would hate it if that keeps happening. But the choice of Abe as Kayla's #2, honestly I would much rather Abe than Daniel or Rafe or Brady or something. Abe isn't a romance novel cover model, he's ... a nice guy who can provide companionship and affection. I'd rather watch a Steve and Kayla story, but since SN is not in the mood to come back, honestly I can't think of another character on canvas I'd rather put Kayla with.

Mike Horton would make sense if he was around, but honestly I think Mike would be a bigger threat to the S/K legacy than Abe.

That's just my $0.02, I don't necessarily mean that I think this will be a good story. But considering a "Kayla moves on from Steve" story, I'm pretty okay with the fact that they chose Abe to be that #2 guy, precisely because it's hard to believe that Abe could ever replace Steve. I never shipped Abe/Lexie all that hard but I was used to them as a fixture and I can't see Kayla replacing Lexie for Abe either.
My gripes with this are ...I still don't see why they bothered to bring Kayla back at all without Steve and to work at the pub. All of a sudden Lexie is dead and she's on all the time (allegedly being chem tested with Abe before "Lexie's" body is even cold) when she was barely on before. I personally would have preferred if they had left her and Steve alone and not brought her back at all. And now she's propping Cameron? Lame, lame, lame.
That's cool. It's your opinion and we all have one of those. But for me, well, I love Kayla.
I always have. Everyone has someone they watch for, and she's one of the characters I watch for.

I feel like the field's getting smaller in terms of characters to care about because a lot of characters today are kind of selfish and self serving or they're fickle in the extreme. They
think of themselves first. Their level of commitment in relationships is small. They jump from bed to bed with little time in between.

There's no character who's perfect...that's never made a mistake or hurt someone. But Kayla is a good person who cares. She has a big heart and she tries to do right. Yes, she
and Steve are getting divorced, but I don't feel like a lack of love is the issue.

We've seen Kayla hurt and lonely. We've seen her sad. Sometimes angry. We've seen her fight to protect her husband. We've seen her listen and care.

I want to see her find some happiness. I'm not sure I want her with Abe. I never pictured it.
But I want to see her. I think she's great.
I can totally understand that. I was never a huge Kayla fan...though recently I've been watching some old clips on YT and I'm getting into her more. I just don't see the point in bringing her back to rip apart yet another beloved couple. It seems really bizarre and unnecessary to me. I'm not saying she hasn't been good as the loving, supporting friend to Abe. She has been. But that spot could have easily been filled by Hope, Bo, John, Marlena or even Fauxman.
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Ali_James
Jul 6 2012, 10:22 AM
The baby switch SL, wasn't my fave. But at least there WAS a story. Nicole needed a child who looked like E.J. to hold on to him, so she took Sami's. Sami and E.J. mourning Grace, whom they thought was hers. Sami and Nicole showing sympathy and support to each other. Nicole and Brady bonding, Nicole's vulnerability in a way that I have never seen her be with E.J. There were lots of things to enjoy.

Hell if I know what the story is supposed to be in this recent baby drama. Unless, E.J. is not the father (and Nicole switched the DNA results because she didn't want him to find out that he is NOT the baby's father). Just let him think he is, in order to make him suffer. I don't know what is the point. E.J. KNOWS that it's his child. He hasn't done anything to prove Nicole wrong. He barely mentions that baby. Now she is sleeping with Daniel, while pretending that Rafe is her baby daddy.

Anyhoo, unless someone else fathered Nicole's child or she loses her baby (after she deprived E.J. the opportunity to bond with his child), which will lead him to go after her, I don't know what SL is supposed to be?

It's just an awful SL alltogether!
It just seems like it was one of those storylines that, after it was started, the writers wanted to forget about like so many other storylines that have fallen by the wayside.

I'm hoping that, down the road, there will be a reason the writers gave Nicole a baby.
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Ali_James
EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.

EJamandBread
Jul 6 2012, 10:32 AM
Ali_James
Jul 6 2012, 10:22 AM
The baby switch SL, wasn't my fave. But at least there WAS a story. Nicole needed a child who looked like E.J. to hold on to him, so she took Sami's. Sami and E.J. mourning Grace, whom they thought was hers. Sami and Nicole showing sympathy and support to each other. Nicole and Brady bonding, Nicole's vulnerability in a way that I have never seen her be with E.J. There were lots of things to enjoy.

Hell if I know what the story is supposed to be in this recent baby drama. Unless, E.J. is not the father (and Nicole switched the DNA results because she didn't want him to find out that he is NOT the baby's father). Just let him think he is, in order to make him suffer. I don't know what is the point. E.J. KNOWS that it's his child. He hasn't done anything to prove Nicole wrong. He barely mentions that baby. Now she is sleeping with Daniel, while pretending that Rafe is her baby daddy.

Anyhoo, unless someone else fathered Nicole's child or she loses her baby (after she deprived E.J. the opportunity to bond with his child), which will lead him to go after her, I don't know what SL is supposed to be?

It's just an awful SL alltogether!
It just seems like it was one of those storylines that, after it was started, the writers wanted to forget about like so many other storylines that have fallen by the wayside.

I'm hoping that, down the road, there will be a reason the writers gave Nicole a baby.


For the sake of DAYS and my sanity, I hope that E.J. is not the father. I believe that EJami is coming and I am NOT interested in watching another crappy SL involving E.J., Sami and Nicole and kids, custody battles. Please let's move on.

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Lil
Jul 6 2012, 10:28 AM
Kriss4
Jul 6 2012, 09:46 AM
Lil
Jul 6 2012, 08:23 AM
DesignatedShelley
Jul 5 2012, 08:06 PM
Oh and I have to say about Kayla/Abe - maybe my perspective is skewed, but I honestly don't feel that bad about it. Abe is a nice guy, and he and Kayla have actually known each other for a while. The friendship between the two is believable. And honestly, the fact that Abe is just "honest ol' Abe" means that the Steve/Kayla shipper in me doesn't feel all that threatened. I can't see them playing this like they're each other's new soul mates or something. At most it'd be like Maggie/Victor, where Mickey is still pretty much the love of Maggie's life regardless.

Now I'm not saying that Steve won't be trashed in this process, and of course I would hate it if that keeps happening. But the choice of Abe as Kayla's #2, honestly I would much rather Abe than Daniel or Rafe or Brady or something. Abe isn't a romance novel cover model, he's ... a nice guy who can provide companionship and affection. I'd rather watch a Steve and Kayla story, but since SN is not in the mood to come back, honestly I can't think of another character on canvas I'd rather put Kayla with.

Mike Horton would make sense if he was around, but honestly I think Mike would be a bigger threat to the S/K legacy than Abe.

That's just my $0.02, I don't necessarily mean that I think this will be a good story. But considering a "Kayla moves on from Steve" story, I'm pretty okay with the fact that they chose Abe to be that #2 guy, precisely because it's hard to believe that Abe could ever replace Steve. I never shipped Abe/Lexie all that hard but I was used to them as a fixture and I can't see Kayla replacing Lexie for Abe either.
My gripes with this are ...I still don't see why they bothered to bring Kayla back at all without Steve and to work at the pub. All of a sudden Lexie is dead and she's on all the time (allegedly being chem tested with Abe before "Lexie's" body is even cold) when she was barely on before. I personally would have preferred if they had left her and Steve alone and not brought her back at all. And now she's propping Cameron? Lame, lame, lame.
That's cool. It's your opinion and we all have one of those. But for me, well, I love Kayla.
I always have. Everyone has someone they watch for, and she's one of the characters I watch for.

I feel like the field's getting smaller in terms of characters to care about because a lot of characters today are kind of selfish and self serving or they're fickle in the extreme. They
think of themselves first. Their level of commitment in relationships is small. They jump from bed to bed with little time in between.

There's no character who's perfect...that's never made a mistake or hurt someone. But Kayla is a good person who cares. She has a big heart and she tries to do right. Yes, she
and Steve are getting divorced, but I don't feel like a lack of love is the issue.

We've seen Kayla hurt and lonely. We've seen her sad. Sometimes angry. We've seen her fight to protect her husband. We've seen her listen and care.

I want to see her find some happiness. I'm not sure I want her with Abe. I never pictured it.
But I want to see her. I think she's great.
I can totally understand that. I was never a huge Kayla fan...though recently I've been watching some old clips on YT and I'm getting into her more. I just don't see the point in bringing her back to rip apart yet another beloved couple. It seems really bizarre and unnecessary to me. I'm not saying she hasn't been good as the loving, supporting friend to Abe. She has been. But that spot could have easily been filled by Hope, Bo, John, Marlena or even Fauxman.
And it could have been, of course.

But I love Kayla as an individual character independent of Steve, so I want to see HER life, and I want to see her in a personal story. I'm glad she's being given the opportunity, and I'd
like it if other characters got that opportunity too. Jack, for example. If the show is so determined to put Jennifer with Dan, why not let Jack have a personal story with a new relationship? Why let Matt go to make Jennifer and Dan happen? Fans have shown a willingness for that to happen.

I know the only reason Mary Beth has this chance is because Stephen is really unavailable, but I don't see why she should have to wait around on the off chance that he might be available one day. It's not really fair.

I think the show show should write individuals as well as couples. I don't know how much writing Kayla will get as an individual outside of the potential Abe relationship, but already in the past couple of weeks I've seen more about HER than I'd seen in the past six months, and I appreciate that. Yes, the vehicle for that knowledge was conversations with Abe and Abby, but I'll take it.

Oh, and if you're watching clips I recommend bradyclanfan on YT. She's got great playlists.

Start with Lady and the Tramp.
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That's cool. It's your opinion and we all have one of those. But for me, well, I love Kayla.
I always have. Everyone has someone they watch for, and she's one of the characters I watch for.

I feel like the field's getting smaller in terms of characters to care about because a lot of characters today are kind of selfish and self serving or they're fickle in the extreme. They
think of themselves first. Their level of commitment in relationships is small. They jump from bed to bed with little time in between.

There's no character who's perfect...that's never made a mistake or hurt someone. But Kayla is a good person who cares. She has a big heart and she tries to do right. Yes, she
and Steve are getting divorced, but I don't feel like a lack of love is the issue.

We've seen Kayla hurt and lonely. We've seen her sad. Sometimes angry. We've seen her fight to protect her husband. We've seen her listen and care.

I want to see her find some happiness. I'm not sure I want her with Abe. I never pictured it.
But I want to see her. I think she's great.
I can totally understand that. I was never a huge Kayla fan...though recently I've been watching some old clips on YT and I'm getting into her more. I just don't see the point in bringing her back to rip apart yet another beloved couple. It seems really bizarre and unnecessary to me. I'm not saying she hasn't been good as the loving, supporting friend to Abe. She has been. But that spot could have easily been filled by Hope, Bo, John, Marlena or even Fauxman.
And it could have been, of course.

But I love Kayla as an individual character independent of Steve, so I want to see HER life, and I want to see her in a personal story. I'm glad she's being given the opportunity, and I'd
like it if other characters got that opportunity too. Jack, for example. If the show is so determined to put Jennifer with Dan, why not let Jack have a personal story with a new relationship? Why let Matt go to make Jennifer and Dan happen? Fans have shown a willingness for that to happen.

I know the only reason Mary Beth has this chance is because Stephen is really unavailable, but I don't see why she should have to wait around on the off chance that he might be available one day. It's not really fair.

I think the show show should write individuals as well as couples. I don't know how much writing Kayla will get as an individual outside of the potential Abe relationship, but already in the past couple of weeks I've seen more about HER than I'd seen in the past six months, and I appreciate that. Yes, the vehicle for that knowledge was conversations with Abe and Abby, but I'll take it.

Oh, and if you're watching clips I recommend bradyclanfan on YT. She's got great playlists.

Start with Lady and the Tramp.
I can agree with this. I always say the show needs to write for characters and let couples pair up a little more organically.

And many thanks for the suggestion :-)
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Jul 6 2012, 09:37 AM
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Jul 6 2012, 09:13 AM
tomsawyer
Jul 6 2012, 09:09 AM
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Jul 6 2012, 08:29 AM
Also at the time when EJ and Nicole were front and centre with that babyswitch story the ratings were much higher and started going downhill when Nicole left for Maternity leave. Zucker was missing for months off the show, not Sweeney, and while Nicole was off canvas, it was all about EJ, Sami and Rafe and ratings still continued to go down.
The ratings went down when the baby switch story was over. That's not a surprise at all. Many types of fans - Ejami fans who were hoping for them to get together once the truth came out, Bricole fans who were hoping for them once EJ dumped Nicole, Safe fans who were hoping for them once Rafe found out the truth, Ejole fans who were hoping EJ would forgive Nicole, Sami fans who were waiting for her to slug Nicole, Nicole fans who were hoping she'd get away with it, etc., etc. - were all watching for the resolution of the baby switch. It's pretty clear that the story - including ALL its elements - is what drove the ratings. That's why they are repeating it this year. Too bad for them that people aren't interested in a recycled story or invested in the outcome like they were before.
I just don't understand this show's mentality. It's not like the baby switch is the only story Days has had in 47 years that brought in decent ratings. Maybe copy the formula from another story that didn't just happen. But even moreso, why copy the most hated elements of the story? I didn't like the baby switch anyway, but they're only copying the parts people complain about most. The things that were praised have been completely left out.
Stories that are highin drama draw viewers.people like to brag about OLTL's ratings but the show for most of Carlivatis reign was at the bottom of the pack. It only got a bump when they did the 2 todd story over last summer and guess what when one Todd left and was murdered ratings started dropping again because it moved into repetition for months.

Stefano's murder could have been one of those stories had they actually done a rea, umbrella story and murder mystery and played up the motives of all the suspects but they dropped the ball and now we are all supposed to be somehow fascinated and interested that EJ alone is the only suspect. Well I guess Will was for a few days.

I'll stand by what I said about EJ and Nicole last year. Both had more airtime than Sweeney and no I don't love Sweeney, but she wasn't on 5 days a week like they were. They might have been doing EJ and Taylor but most of the focus last spring was on EJ, Nicole,. and Rafe leading stories. Taylor for all her screen time was an afterthought.
We just have to agree to disagree. The focus at that time was on EJ and Taylor, EJ, Sam, the two Rafe's and Stefano. Nicole was just been shown now and again and she certainly was not on 5 days per week. She was the clueless wife, while they had EJ and Taylor kissing, and carrying on right under her nose. They had Taylor sharing scenes with Brady, and with Lexi who who was routing for Taylor to be with EJ even though she knew that he was married to Nicole, Taylor getting on famously with Theo, even Abe loved her, Taylor in scenes with Stefano, Taylor and Sami etc. When Rafe 2 murdered Fay, they had EJ and Taylor kissing on each other on the way to her mum's funeral. All they had Nicole mostly doing was spending time with EJ's kids, telling EJ how greatful she is for giving her the opportunity to be with the kids, and encouraging him to get along with Taylor right up to when she found out that he was cheating on her with her sister. They were too busy writing the EJaylor love story, so they were on far more than Nicole. I would say that it was EJ that was on five days per week. During that time we also had the Sami drama with the two Rafe's.

When it came to the reveal, they had EJ, Taylor, Sami, Rafe, Stefano present at the mansion along with Bo and Hope. Nicole was nowhere to be seen. Even when Mardar was writing for EJole, Nicole was not shown five days a week. I was complaining that she was not on often enough. During the babyswitch that is when Nicole was shown frequuently. She hasn't been shown as freqently ever since she came back from maternity leave but, Sami has been shown freguently. Every story revolves around her. They have not had Alison Sweeney off screen, not that I have noticed. I wish they would give us a break from Sami.
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I really enjoyed the Kayla/Abe and Kayla/Abby scenes, it was great to see Kayla get some airtime for a change. I like Abe and Kayla as old friends but I dont think they would be a good match up for a romantic pairing. I'm sad that thay are splitting up Steve & Kayla but I understand it's because Stephen Nichols is currently on contract over at Y&R. I hope we get more Abby/Kayla scenes in the future or even better some Kayla/Bo/Hope scenes.
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