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Sami sides with EJ, John tries to overthrow EJ; Airs week of July 9
Topic Started: Jul 5 2012, 11:05 AM (19,595 Views)
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Jul 7 2012, 10:32 AM
The most interesting aspect of John going after EJ and DiMera Enterprises is who does Marlena side with in this war? Does she stand beside John? Or with Sami and Will?


that's a no brainer. john of course. who has marlena ever sided with sami? lol
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Jul 8 2012, 12:44 PM
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Jul 8 2012, 12:23 PM
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and he paid the price didn't he......loser in love and Lucas is going to do the same.

I am just glad that EJ does not back down and sets Lucas straight, he is not letting Sami go....... :wub:
ej never been loser in lover he had arianna taylor and nicole want him just because he did not got fully sami love mean he wasa loser in lover

lucas did not went after sami he just did not reject her its totally different for going after someone


and there nothing here written about ej sets Lucas straight,or anything like that
EJ was NEVER with Arianna......and he has been a loser in love when it came to Sami.....him having his second choice Nicole around the corner does not change that!

and Lucas was the one to announce to the world that they were back together, he is the one declaring love when Sami is not, he is doing a hell of a lot more than just not rejecting her.

and per SID this week: 'EJ refuses to let go of Sami' :wub:
EJ could have ha arianna though, she was on the road to a relationship with him, at least she was defending him, then there was Nicole, and taylor who both proclaimed to love EJ. He was no
Loser in love and even Sami paid attention to him.

When does it say that EJ sets Lucas straight ?? Oh and SID is know to exaggerate, last time I checked EJ didn't even want Sami, so he doesn't have her no need not to let her not go. SID purposely targets there mag toward Ejami, the editor has admitted he likes the coupling. I tend to see the stuff in SOD as more reliable anyway.
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Jul 8 2012, 02:34 PM
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Jul 8 2012, 01:46 PM

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Sami: All right, fine. I'm just asking if you think there's a chance--I mean, you know, I'm just curious if you think that we would ever-- [Scoffs]--get back together as a...couple.
once you declare coupledom, all your scenes forward are off you as a couple. and at the end of the day, Sami has yet to return a single Ilove you since they got together.

as for what it means with EJ, there is no doubt in my mind given all of the spoilers we have, that he is talking to Lucas.
if the case was lucas said milllon times i love and sami did not said back lucas said told only once 2 weeks ago and there nothing glaring about it
i see even rooting couples one say love and other does not unless if it glaring and happen multitimes you can not make it to general thing



it does not have to be a million times; just the fact that it was EVERY time is what stands out and for Sami a woman who is usually quick to latch onto her du jour, it is glaring!
Why are you not mentioning that Sami has said on more than one occasion that she does love Lucas ?
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Jul 8 2012, 03:32 PM
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I'm totally on board with a little EJami pimping from Lexie, even posthumously. I don't get why it matters that we didn't hear Lexie say it on screen versus EJ telling Sami about it after the fact.
Because EJ's a liar.

It's always better, especially on a soap, to hear things straight from the source. And of course you don't mind pumping for ejami but the last few years should have made it real clear why pimping for a couple you don't like isn't taken well.
why would ej lie about that? i have no indication that he is trying to get sami back? it would make sense if ej was scheming to get sami. but that is not the case. i am ok with some ejami pimping for a change. we have plenty of ejole and safe pimping. now it is finally ejami's turn.
EJ would lie because he is a liar? Who knows but it's certainly plausible since we didn't see the exchange.
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I'm totally on board with a little EJami pimping from Lexie, even posthumously. I don't get why it matters that we didn't hear Lexie say it on screen versus EJ telling Sami about it after the fact.
Because EJ's a liar.

It's always better, especially on a soap, to hear things straight from the source. And of course you don't mind pumping for ejami but the last few years should have made it real clear why pimping for a couple you don't like isn't taken well.
why would ej lie about that? i have no indication that he is trying to get sami back? it would make sense if ej was scheming to get sami. but that is not the case. i am ok with some ejami pimping for a change. we have plenty of ejole and safe pimping. now it is finally ejami's turn.

I didn't say he would, but it would mirror 2008.

rachelgreen
Jul 8 2012, 03:34 PM
LonePirate
Jul 7 2012, 10:32 AM
The most interesting aspect of John going after EJ and DiMera Enterprises is who does Marlena side with in this war? Does she stand beside John? Or with Sami and Will?


that's a no brainer. john of course. who has marlena ever sided with sami? lol


Off the top of my head? When Sami was trying to marry Austin in 1997, 2002, and 2006. When she kicked John out of the penthouse in 2004 after Roman died and Sami was convinced John was the killer. When John was pissed to find out Sami switched Belle's paternity test and Marlena defended her. When Marlena left John with Kristen in Paris to get to Sami after Will was kidnapped. When Sami was accused of murder. When Sami won custody of Will. When everyone thought she cheated on Lucas in 2005. Off the top of my head....
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Jul 8 2012, 12:14 PM

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i meant ej went after sami even when he knew 100% she had still feeling for someone else
and he paid the price didn't he......loser in love and Lucas is going to do the same.

I am just glad that EJ does not back down and sets Lucas straight, he is not letting Sami go....... :wub:
ej never been loser in lover he had arianna taylor and nicole want him just because he did not got fully sami love mean he wasa loser in lover

lucas did not went after sami he just did not reject her its totally different for going after someone


and there nothing here written about ej sets Lucas straight,or anything like that


i beg to differ. ej may have arianna, taylor and nicole, but he never had the one woman he truly wanted or loved. well not until now... keeping fingers crossed.
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what history? sami has cheated once unlike other characters who are what i call serial cheaters. as a matter of facts, most female leads in DOOL have cheated at one point or another included the most beloved ones. so i would say sami is in company lol.
i think you meant to quote 3wishgenies post not mine. I said i thought they were going to have her cheat on Lucas and I never brought up anything about past history with her. I am also well aware that she only cheated once this time on Rafe and that was one of the things I admired and most loved about her was her faithfulness. It still does not change that MarDar were having her emotionally cheat on Lucas with her getting all hot and bothered over EJ and those "tension ejami" spoilers is what was leading me to make the assumption that they were going to have her cheat on him on top of the warnings that Lucas repeatedley got about her cheating again on him.
well if we are going to focus on emotionally cheating then Sami has always been doing this. She was emotionally cheating on Lucas with EJ in 2007, she was emotionally cheating on EJ with Rafe; so what exactly was there to admire before?
good point. besides, soap heroines have been emotionally cheating since forever.some of the best soaps couples have done it. where the lead lady is with the 'good guy' while longing/fantasizing for her true love.
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Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
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six
Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
Just to clarify, I don't think he's lying. But it's still a good reason for them to show us rather than tell us. Especially when fanbases are so split.
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lysie
Jul 8 2012, 04:14 PM
In case it's unclear, I'm giving up. Again.

rachelgreen
Jul 8 2012, 03:32 PM
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Jul 7 2012, 09:34 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 09:25 AM

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Because EJ's a liar.

It's always better, especially on a soap, to hear things straight from the source. And of course you don't mind pumping for ejami but the last few years should have made it real clear why pimping for a couple you don't like isn't taken well.
why would ej lie about that? i have no indication that he is trying to get sami back? it would make sense if ej was scheming to get sami. but that is not the case. i am ok with some ejami pimping for a change. we have plenty of ejole and safe pimping. now it is finally ejami's turn.

I didn't say he would, but it would mirror 2008.

rachelgreen
Jul 8 2012, 03:34 PM
LonePirate
Jul 7 2012, 10:32 AM
The most interesting aspect of John going after EJ and DiMera Enterprises is who does Marlena side with in this war? Does she stand beside John? Or with Sami and Will?


that's a no brainer. john of course. who has marlena ever sided with sami? lol


Off the top of my head? When Sami was trying to marry Austin in 1997, 2002, and 2006. When she kicked John out of the penthouse in 2004 after Roman died and Sami was convinced John was the killer. When John was pissed to find out Sami switched Belle's paternity test and Marlena defended her. When Marlena left John with Kristen in Paris to get to Sami after Will was kidnapped. When Sami was accused of murder. When Sami won custody of Will. When everyone thought she cheated on Lucas in 2005. Off the top of my head....
Lol.... But why my dear?? Oh and I'm trying to find that Alice, Jenn, Lucas scene... Rose if u see this I know you have it somewhere... Lysie wants to know the date so pm her the clip or date, lol
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six
Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
I agree. That dialogue was stuck in for a reason, and I don't think it was for EJ to lie. Since only Lexie and EJ would know what she said, how would it ever come out that he was lying, and if it doesn't come out, what's the point of him lying in the first place? He has shown zero indication that he's interested in Sami on a personal level at this point.

EJ is a world class liar, but it makes no sense that he's lying in this instance.
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Jul 8 2012, 04:26 PM
six
Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
Just to clarify, I don't think he's lying. But it's still a good reason for them to show us rather than tell us. Especially when fanbases are so split.
One other thing about that didn't lexie know that Sami tried to kill him?? Why would she think the after that they could be happy anyway... It's not like lexie could forget how Sami operates.... I'll say her judgement was severely affected by the tumor
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Sami: All right, fine. I'm just asking if you think there's a chance--I mean, you know, I'm just curious if you think that we would ever-- [Scoffs]--get back together as a...couple.
if the case was lucas said milllon times i love and sami did not said back lucas said told only once 2 weeks ago and there nothing glaring about it
i see even rooting couples one say love and other does not unless if it glaring and happen multitimes you can not make it to general thing



it does not have to be a million times; just the fact that it was EVERY time is what stands out and for Sami a woman who is usually quick to latch onto her du jour, it is glaring!
how one time it became everytime and that one time was not glaring about in the conversation
i seen sami on other relationships which she cling on them there was one time one the guys i love you and she did not say it back
so one time it not glaring even to sami

when sami did not say i love back or at all to ej at all after millon times ej told her and the only time sami said it ej when she thought rafe slept witn nicole and have not told any one she in love with ej or to herself i think that should be more glaring
That would be glaring if it were true. Fortunately though, it's not.

Just like her actions during the time Rafe was out of her life in 2010 were glaring.

I agree that they should have shown that, Lysie. My comment was directed to the post saying it twas plausible that he was making it up, when I don't think that was what the writers intended us to think.
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Jul 8 2012, 04:28 PM
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Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
I agree. That dialogue was stuck in for a reason, and I don't think it was for EJ to lie. Since only Lexie and EJ would know what she said, how would it ever come out that he was lying, and if it doesn't come out, what's the point of him lying in the first place? He has shown zero indication that he's interested in Sami on a personal level at this point.

EJ is a world class liar, but it makes no sense that he's lying in this instance.
Since it was only between them it would surely facilitate spinning it as a lie though..
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Jul 8 2012, 04:29 PM
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Jul 8 2012, 04:26 PM
six
Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
Just to clarify, I don't think he's lying. But it's still a good reason for them to show us rather than tell us. Especially when fanbases are so split.
One other thing about that didn't lexie know that Sami tried to kill him?? Why would she think the after that they could be happy anyway... It's not like lexie could forget how Sami operates.... I'll say her judgement was severely affected by the tumor
Because she lived in Salem and was a member of a family that hurts people they love, then moves past it all the time? I never did like Lexie cozying up with Sami, but it was completely in character for Lexie to forgive the unforgivable and reach out to people who caused her loved ones pain.
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Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
I agree. That dialogue was stuck in for a reason, and I don't think it was for EJ to lie. Since only Lexie and EJ would know what she said, how would it ever come out that he was lying, and if it doesn't come out, what's the point of him lying in the first place? He has shown zero indication that he's interested in Sami on a personal level at this point.

EJ is a world class liar, but it makes no sense that he's lying in this instance.
Since it was only between them it would surely facilitate spinning it as a lie though..
But in relation to the writing, how would she (or we) ever know he lied, since Lexie's not around to contradict him? And if she (and we) don't find out he lied, then what's the point of the lie to the writing? I know the point from EJ's point of view, but it makes no sense as a plot point unless everyone finds out he lied.

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That's why I said I wasn't excusing Rafe for any of this. He isn't blameless by any means. Still believe tho, that he was not the original "perpetrator".
that IMO is like focusing on the fact that EJ kissed Sami first before they had sex.......in the big picture, it does not matter. They were both very much into it and where it ended up!
yeah Sami could have slapped him for kissing her and left his house like he had told her to do over and over again but she didn't. She stayed and got her freak on and thank God for that!!!!
Yeah, and it is excused because Sami was grieving. :toetap: So.....did Rafe and Carrie tango? Just asking, I'm not watching, getting all my info from here.


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ej never been loser in lover he had arianna taylor and nicole want him just because he did not got fully sami love mean he wasa loser in lover

lucas did not went after sami he just did not reject her its totally different for going after someone


and there nothing here written about ej sets Lucas straight,or anything like that
EJ was NEVER with Arianna......and he has been a loser in love when it came to Sami.....him having his second choice Nicole around the corner does not change that!

and Lucas was the one to announce to the world that they were back together, he is the one declaring love when Sami is not, he is doing a hell of a lot more than just not rejecting her.

and per SID this week: 'EJ refuses to let go of Sami' :wub:
i see not mention taylor one person not wanting ej mean he is loser in love just loser about sami totall different

first of all its not written here and what was written sid it does not say if ej said to lucas

Lucas may been announce to the world that they were back together which was only will their son btw sami was the one brought up be couple again before

Sami: All right, fine. I'm just asking if you think there's a chance--I mean, you know, I'm just curious if you think that we would ever-- [Scoffs]--get back together as a...couple.


and make it more equal than going after her
sami told lucas since he came back more than once she love him and that she have feeling for him

since lucas and sami they became couple only 2 really scenes as couple the rest of scenes were more backround


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Jul 8 2012, 01:18 PM
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Jul 8 2012, 12:13 PM
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Jul 5 2012, 12:06 PM
so lucas been bash for not trusting sami and before he was bash because he did trust her
oh please

why be with a woman you don't trust? that's all i am saying.
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Jul 5 2012, 12:28 PM
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Jul 5 2012, 12:23 PM
thanks for the write up.
:cloud9:for the ejami part. I just might buy the mag to read the whole article. You can only fight that urge to :makeout: for so long. I wonder which one of them gives in by the end of the summer. I'm hoping it's Sami; she needs to make the first move for a change. Plus, EJ has been looking extra sexy lately.
Lucas needs to take a damn seat accusing Sami of sleeping with EJ; he looks like a dumbass doing that. Then again, maybe he FINALLY remembers what he told her: that she has unresolved feelings for EJ. Then that would make him even more of a dumbass for getting back with her without explore those feelings first. So it looks like either way Lucas looks like a dumbass. :shame:

I'm just as shocked DE has other board members. But ITA with gailwinters, Lucas is probably going to lose his job (at DE mind you!!!) over helping Jarlena take the company from EJ. EJ is going to find out sooner or later. Dumb-ASS!
Sami is the dumbass thinking she can have her cake and eat it too. I am singling out Sami because she got back into a relationship with Lucas while married to one man and lusting after another. At least EJOLE have been broken up and Nicole hasn't definatevely stated shes with anyone though she still looks bad too. It is not EJ's or anyones busniess what she does because he slept with Sami first. I am also not seeing how Sami wanted to "work " on her marriage that MarDar convieniently threw in I guess forgetting what they wrote intially as per usua to give the safes a bone because they all but wanted to erase the Sami and Rafe relationship. MarDar acomplished what they set out to do create a free for all with weekly bones for every base. Until the finally put EJAMI together.


sami is being bashed for getting involved with lucas while being married? lol. nicole is doing the same thing. she is using rafe against ej and we all know she wants to bone him. if he was into her, she would have fucked him by now. now she can't have rafe, she is fucking daniel left and right without missing a beat while she is not only pregnant, but still married to ej. but sami is the one that is slutty? ok...

sami did try to fix her marriage. she begged rafe to forgive her and give their marriage a second chance but he wanted out because he wants carrie. what could sami have done? grovel and beg for the rest of her life? i have seen sami grovel enough to last me a lifetime.

sami needs to love herself enough to know that she deserves better than to play second fiddle to her oh so perfect sister. i am glad sami walked away with dignity. rafe humiliated her enough as by going after carrie of all people.
IMO Rafe didn't refuse to work on their marriage or give Sami a second chance b/c of Carrie. I thought he made it pretty plain to both Sami and Marlena that the kreason he couldn't forgive Sami was b/c she hid her sleeping with Ej from him and lied for months about it. He even told her this past week that they may have been able to work on their marriage if she would have told him the truth when it happened. I agree that Carrie being hot after Rafe didn't help things,but I don't buy she was the reason.


i know what rafe said. but i ain't buying what he is selling. he just refuses to take any responsibility for the failure of their marriage. sami sleeping with ej may have been the coup de grace that killed safe. but safe was already dying because rafe was falling for carrie and sami was no longer the center of his existence.

IMO, ejami griefsex gave rafe the perfect excuse to walk away without feeling guilty and pursuit carrie whom he already had feelings for. he did not even seemed that hurt by the ejami sex. more pissed than anything else. his ego took a hit because it is ej of all people lol. :eyeroll:

i have it before and i will say it again. safe did not break up because of the ejami sex, it was only part of the reason. they broke because rafe wanted carrie not sami. therefore he did not want to work on their marriage. he was already having his own sexual tension moments with carrie way before he knew about ejami's indiscretion.

everything rafe has said is BS.

carrie is not the only one hot after rafe. he is hot after her too. as it is written, they are in love and want to be together. it takes 2 to tangle. rafe could not care less about sami now. it is sami who now?
Edited by rachelgreen, Jul 8 2012, 04:51 PM.
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I didn't see anything of significance between Rafe and Carrie for a long time. I don't think Rafe used it as an excuse. What I think really killed things for Safe was Sami throwing Rafe out knowing she'd cheated. Sami wasn't interested in reconciling at that time, and she didn't become interested until Rafe found out about EJ. She was completely unforgiving of him, then expected him to forgive her. I don't think their break up was about either of their feelings for Carrie or EJ. They're just both jerks.
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Jul 8 2012, 04:38 PM
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Jul 8 2012, 04:21 PM
Anything can happen, but EJ doesn't have much to gain from telling Sami someone that she sort of liked thought she and EJ would make each other happy.
I agree. That dialogue was stuck in for a reason, and I don't think it was for EJ to lie. Since only Lexie and EJ would know what she said, how would it ever come out that he was lying, and if it doesn't come out, what's the point of him lying in the first place? He has shown zero indication that he's interested in Sami on a personal level at this point.

EJ is a world class liar, but it makes no sense that he's lying in this instance.
Since it was only between them it would surely facilitate spinning it as a lie though..
But in relation to the writing, how would she (or we) ever know he lied, since Lexie's not around to contradict him? And if she (and we) don't find out he lied, then what's the point of the lie to the writing? I know the point from EJ's point of view, but it makes no sense as a plot point unless everyone finds out he lied.

I didn't think about that. Good point.
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