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Sami sides with EJ, John tries to overthrow EJ; Airs week of July 9
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Ali_James
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Jul 5 2012, 12:57 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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- Jul 5 2012, 12:41 PM
Oh jeez. Another skippable episode.
The writing for Lucas has been so crappy. And as much as I hate him jumping to THAT conclusion (that Sami is sleeping with EJ), and I can't entirely blame him. I also don't think it's that off base. Yes, it is not just Sami that is getting the "all over the place" treatment - not sure why that keeps coming up as a retort. But this thread/spoiler is about Sami and her men, so I am talking about Sami. And what Sami is doing is "being" with Lucas or something while also having almost kisses with EJ. I really don't think she was upset about Carrie possibly being pregnant with Rafe's baby only b/c she is just his ex (well, current wife still, I guess) and had a right to know, or b/c she was insulted by the hypocrisy, or b/c she wanted Rafe to admit his part in their break-up. The jealousy seemed pretty palpable to me - she didn't need to jump Rafe for me to think that. But that could just be interpretation.
And I think this is what Lucas walks in on one of these almost kisses, so that gives some context to his conclusion-jumping. And, you know, he walked in on Ejami horrendous sex, and I am sure the memory of that still scars (lordy know it left a permanent, still-throbbing scar on my memory). And there are trust issues within Lumi - and seeing that they got together in two seconds, and with the memories of things past, I am sure that trust is on especially shaky ground. And I think Lucas will always be jealous and resentful of EJ unless EJ dies/disappear, Lumi move away or Sami somehow makes a definitive choice. But with her you never know - not sure that is possible unless she makes her choice the day the soap opera ends.
I am also tired of this Lucas is not a victim thing. Right, no, he is not. He made the choice to get back with Sami. But it wasn't without some indication of interest on Sami's part either. She cancelled his plane ticket back to Hong Kong. She was very overtly jealous of his engagement to Autumn. She was the one to start the "are you curious?" conversation. She was the one that seemed disappointed when he replied that he thought about getting together with her for "a second" ("ONLY a second??"). So maybe this was enough for Lucas to believe she was interested enough to act on their feelings a bit. And, you know, he is in love, and foolishly thought that love was enough. But he made a mistake; Sami made a mistake; and I hope in whatever speech they have before breaking up, Lucas tells her he won't be her second choice, that they were wrong to start something when she clearly has unresolved feelings (yes, for EJ, prob for Rafe too, who knows, maybe for Brandon and Franco to boot). That he loves her and b/c of that needs to let her go make some decisions. That the trust needs to be rebuilt between them, and that can't happen until she figures her feelings out. I would LOVE to write that speech.
Please, please, please extract Lucas from this mess. I can't take him being jealous and then Sami resenting that jealousy. And EJ just standing there laughing. I wonder if he will tell Sami that she is still playing musical chairs with her men if and when she says she wants to give it a go with him.
I can't take much more of this - my heart is breaking with each new spoiler. This is such an insult.
Sami was doing all that to piss off Kate. And Lucas fell into the trap, because he wants to keep E.J. away from Sami. He hasn't digested E.J. ruining his marriage to Sami. He even went to Rafe to forgive Sami. She only told him "he was in her head" after she found out about Rafe and Nicole. Before that, she wanted to work on her marriage. Lucas told her she had feelings for E.J., all of the sudden, they were sleeping together and reunited.
When he told Will that he was back together with Sami, she looked very surprised.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:00 PM
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- Jul 5 2012, 12:49 PM
I've always wanted EJami against the world. I'm sure it won't live up to expectations, but I'll enjoy the premise while it lasts. Oh wow, seriously? LOL. I have always said that I loved Lumi because it always seemed like it was Lucas and Sami against the world. And then Lucas confirmed those feelings of mine when he said to Sami "it's me and you until the wheels fall off" or something like that.
Too funny - really is same thoughts, just a different insert name here. ;)
Oh yeah, and not that i doesn't go without saying, but me definitely don't likey what's happening.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:00 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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- Jul 5 2012, 11:39 AM
Team ejami FTW. John needs to sit down somewhere. When did he start caring about DE. Lucas STFU you idiot. Glad to see Sami is taking EJs side..I wonder if ejami and will are going to team up against John and whoever takes his side
Tean nobody wins. Team Sami is overrated and needs to be alone because no one ever "wins her" and shes not a prize. Its going to take ALOT for me to ever want her with anyone ever again. Not even positive SAFE scenes or whatever will impress me until she makes up for all this crap and learns you can't pit guys against each other. She is just all kinds of slutty. Team Sami needs to have a nice LONG rest and EJ for that matter especially. So sick of everything revolving around him.
I'm sorry but Carrie is the queen of pitting guys against each other. Carrie had Mike, AUstin, and Lucas all fighting to be with her and she couldn't make up her mind. Then she had Austin and Lucas going after her and she couldn't choose until she thought she couldn't have kids with Austin. Yes, Sami played a part in it but lets be honest all Carrie had to do was tell Austin or Lucas the reason why she did what she did, but she didn't. Why, because it would make her look selfish. If Sami did the same thing everyone would be calling her selfish. Sami has done a lot of crap, but she has paid in some ways like when she died by lethal injection, and how she got left at the alter. How many times has Kate, Lucas paid for the crap tha tthey pulled? She has recieved some form of punishment for her actions, and it may not be enough for some but she has been called out o nher crap more than other people in town. Now Carrie has jumped on the Rafe train and she has pitted Rafe and Austin in the middle. Carrie has cheated i n every single marriage she has been in, and that's wrong, and I want to know why it's ok for Carrie to do these things? I understand where your coming from, and there are chracters that I don't care for, but I'm trying to be objective and look at it from another perspective.
Oh I equally hate Sami and Carrie who I call Scarrie because I can't stand her. Sami was my favourite character once but Nicole has snce taken over her spot.I hope I can like her once again but but there is no denying that what Sami is doing makes her look bad. IMO thats why Sami and Carrie can never get along because in terms of going after each others men and the way they behave is no different with those men especially inlight of Sami also now cheating.
This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:01 PM
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There's no "EJami against the world" if they never pay for their actions.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:02 PM
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I'm sorry but Carrie is the queen of pitting guys against each other. Carrie had Mike, AUstin, and Lucas all fighting to be with her and she couldn't make up her mind. Then she had Austin and Lucas going after her and she couldn't choose until she thought she couldn't have kids with Austin. Yes, Sami played a part in it but lets be honest all Carrie had to do was tell Austin or Lucas the reason why she did what she did, but she didn't. Why, because it would make her look selfish. If Sami did the same thing everyone would be calling her selfish. Sami has done a lot of crap, but she has paid in some ways like when she died by lethal injection, and how she got left at the alter. How many times has Kate, Lucas paid for the crap tha tthey pulled? She has recieved some form of punishment for her actions, and it may not be enough for some but she has been called out o nher crap more than other people in town. Now Carrie has jumped on the Rafe train and she has pitted Rafe and Austin in the middle. Carrie has cheated i n every single marriage she has been in, and that's wrong, and I want to know why it's ok for Carrie to do these things? I understand where your coming from, and there are chracters that I don't care for, but I'm trying to be objective and look at it from another perspective.
Oh I equally hate Sami and Carrie who I call Scarrie because I can't stand her. Sami was my favourite character once but Nicole has snce taken over her spot.I hope I can like her once again but but there is no denying that what Sami is doing makes her look bad. IMO thats why Sami and Carrie can never get along because in terms of going after each others men and the way they behave is no different with those men especially inlight of Sami also now cheating.
This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas. It's not new. It's been helping destroy the show for several years now.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:03 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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- Jul 5 2012, 12:52 PM
I also don't understand why Sami can't have her own opinion. WHen John looked guilty and Smai said that John could've done it becuase he was brainwashed by Stefano and din't realize it. Marlena said I am so disapointed in you. Now in the past Smai wouldv'e said John did it and not given him an excuse. Now we have Lucas geting upset because Smai thinks EJ didn't shoot Stefano. So she has to do and say wh tyou want her to or she is cheating on you. WIll believes EJ didn't do it I wonder how Lucas and Jarlena will react when they find out Will is the oen doing the blackmailing this time around.
Exactly. Please get my gal away from Lucas/LUMI once and for all!
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Jul 5 2012, 01:04 PM
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I'm sorry but Carrie is the queen of pitting guys against each other. Carrie had Mike, AUstin, and Lucas all fighting to be with her and she couldn't make up her mind. Then she had Austin and Lucas going after her and she couldn't choose until she thought she couldn't have kids with Austin. Yes, Sami played a part in it but lets be honest all Carrie had to do was tell Austin or Lucas the reason why she did what she did, but she didn't. Why, because it would make her look selfish. If Sami did the same thing everyone would be calling her selfish. Sami has done a lot of crap, but she has paid in some ways like when she died by lethal injection, and how she got left at the alter. How many times has Kate, Lucas paid for the crap tha tthey pulled? She has recieved some form of punishment for her actions, and it may not be enough for some but she has been called out o nher crap more than other people in town. Now Carrie has jumped on the Rafe train and she has pitted Rafe and Austin in the middle. Carrie has cheated i n every single marriage she has been in, and that's wrong, and I want to know why it's ok for Carrie to do these things? I understand where your coming from, and there are chracters that I don't care for, but I'm trying to be objective and look at it from another perspective.
Oh I equally hate Sami and Carrie who I call Scarrie because I can't stand her. Sami was my favourite character once but Nicole has snce taken over her spot.I hope I can like her once again but but there is no denying that what Sami is doing makes her look bad. IMO thats why Sami and Carrie can never get along because in terms of going after each others men and the way they behave is no different with those men especially inlight of Sami also now cheating.
This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas. Sami pitted Lucas vs Austin too.
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- Jul 5 2012, 12:41 PM
Oh jeez. Another skippable episode.
The writing for Lucas has been so crappy. And as much as I hate him jumping to THAT conclusion (that Sami is sleeping with EJ), and I can't entirely blame him. I also don't think it's that off base. Yes, it is not just Sami that is getting the "all over the place" treatment - not sure why that keeps coming up as a retort. But this thread/spoiler is about Sami and her men, so I am talking about Sami. And what Sami is doing is "being" with Lucas or something while also having almost kisses with EJ. I really don't think she was upset about Carrie possibly being pregnant with Rafe's baby only b/c she is just his ex (well, current wife still, I guess) and had a right to know, or b/c she was insulted by the hypocrisy, or b/c she wanted Rafe to admit his part in their break-up. The jealousy seemed pretty palpable to me - she didn't need to jump Rafe for me to think that. But that could just be interpretation.
And I think this is what Lucas walks in on one of these almost kisses, so that gives some context to his conclusion-jumping. And, you know, he walked in on Ejami horrendous sex, and I am sure the memory of that still scars (lordy know it left a permanent, still-throbbing scar on my memory). And there are trust issues within Lumi - and seeing that they got together in two seconds, and with the memories of things past, I am sure that trust is on especially shaky ground. And I think Lucas will always be jealous and resentful of EJ unless EJ dies/disappear, Lumi move away or Sami somehow makes a definitive choice. But with her you never know - not sure that is possible unless she makes her choice the day the soap opera ends.
I am also tired of this Lucas is not a victim thing. Right, no, he is not. He made the choice to get back with Sami. But it wasn't without some indication of interest on Sami's part either. She cancelled his plane ticket back to Hong Kong. She was very overtly jealous of his engagement to Autumn. She was the one to start the "are you curious?" conversation. She was the one that seemed disappointed when he replied that he thought about getting together with her for "a second" ("ONLY a second??"). So maybe this was enough for Lucas to believe she was interested enough to act on their feelings a bit. And, you know, he is in love, and foolishly thought that love was enough. But he made a mistake; Sami made a mistake; and I hope in whatever speech they have before breaking up, Lucas tells her he won't be her second choice, that they were wrong to start something when she clearly has unresolved feelings (yes, for EJ, prob for Rafe too, who knows, maybe for Brandon and Franco to boot). That he loves her and b/c of that needs to let her go make some decisions. That the trust needs to be rebuilt between them, and that can't happen until she figures her feelings out. I would LOVE to write that speech.
Please, please, please extract Lucas from this mess. I can't take him being jealous and then Sami resenting that jealousy. And EJ just standing there laughing. I wonder if he will tell Sami that she is still playing musical chairs with her men if and when she says she wants to give it a go with him.
I can't take much more of this - my heart is breaking with each new spoiler. This is such an insult.
Sami was doing all that to piss off Kate. And Lucas fell into the trap, because he wants to keep E.J. away from Sami. He hasn't digested E.J. ruining his marriage to Sami. He even went to Rafe to forgive Sami. She only told him "he was in her head" after she found out about Rafe and Nicole. Before that, she wanted to work on her marriage. Lucas told her she had feelings for E.J., all of the sudden, they were sleeping together and reunited. When he told Will that he was back together with Sami, she looked very surprised. Oh I disagree that she was doing all of that to piss of Kate. Maybe when she was sort of all over Lucas in the pub when Kate walked in - that I agree with. But not the other. She started asking Lucas if he was curious to piss of Kate? I dunno - I think that is stretching it a little.
And, anyway - I agree Lucas made a mistake. He should have known better. But also why did Sami initiate and decide it was a good time to get involved in another relationship? Mistakes were made on lots of ends - I am not going to put this all on Lucas. And when the time comes that they part ways, I am just saying I wish I could write that speech, so that these characters admit the mistakes, are honest about their feelings, and I can see Lumi end (again) with at least a little bit of honesty and integrity, hope that they could come back together at some point.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:05 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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There's no "EJami against the world" if they never pay for their actions.
But how will EJole be a couple with E.J. in jail?
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Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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I also don't understand why Sami can't have her own opinion. WHen John looked guilty and Smai said that John could've done it becuase he was brainwashed by Stefano and din't realize it. Marlena said I am so disapointed in you. Now in the past Smai wouldv'e said John did it and not given him an excuse. Now we have Lucas geting upset because Smai thinks EJ didn't shoot Stefano. So she has to do and say wh tyou want her to or she is cheating on you. WIll believes EJ didn't do it I wonder how Lucas and Jarlena will react when they find out Will is the oen doing the blackmailing this time around.
Exactly. Please get my gal away from Lucas/LUMI once and for all! My girl Sami came into existence WITH Lucas, since 1993.....there won't be a Sami without some form of Lucas around her....notice what happened when he left .....she spiraled out of control and not even EJ wanted her then....lol
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Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Oh I equally hate Sami and Carrie who I call Scarrie because I can't stand her. Sami was my favourite character once but Nicole has snce taken over her spot.I hope I can like her once again but but there is no denying that what Sami is doing makes her look bad. IMO thats why Sami and Carrie can never get along because in terms of going after each others men and the way they behave is no different with those men especially inlight of Sami also now cheating.
This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas.
Sami pitted Lucas vs Austin too.
And Lucas pitted Sami and Carrie against each other and so on and on...
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Jul 5 2012, 01:08 PM
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I'm sorry but Carrie is the queen of pitting guys against each other. Carrie had Mike, AUstin, and Lucas all fighting to be with her and she couldn't make up her mind. Then she had Austin and Lucas going after her and she couldn't choose until she thought she couldn't have kids with Austin. Yes, Sami played a part in it but lets be honest all Carrie had to do was tell Austin or Lucas the reason why she did what she did, but she didn't. Why, because it would make her look selfish. If Sami did the same thing everyone would be calling her selfish. Sami has done a lot of crap, but she has paid in some ways like when she died by lethal injection, and how she got left at the alter. How many times has Kate, Lucas paid for the crap tha tthey pulled? She has recieved some form of punishment for her actions, and it may not be enough for some but she has been called out o nher crap more than other people in town. Now Carrie has jumped on the Rafe train and she has pitted Rafe and Austin in the middle. Carrie has cheated i n every single marriage she has been in, and that's wrong, and I want to know why it's ok for Carrie to do these things? I understand where your coming from, and there are chracters that I don't care for, but I'm trying to be objective and look at it from another perspective.
Oh I equally hate Sami and Carrie who I call Scarrie because I can't stand her. Sami was my favourite character once but Nicole has snce taken over her spot.I hope I can like her once again but but there is no denying that what Sami is doing makes her look bad. IMO thats why Sami and Carrie can never get along because in terms of going after each others men and the way they behave is no different with those men especially inlight of Sami also now cheating.
This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas. My point was not to say that I think Sami is worse than Carrie but to say that they are exactly a like.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:10 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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Oh I equally hate Sami and Carrie who I call Scarrie because I can't stand her. Sami was my favourite character once but Nicole has snce taken over her spot.I hope I can like her once again but but there is no denying that what Sami is doing makes her look bad. IMO thats why Sami and Carrie can never get along because in terms of going after each others men and the way they behave is no different with those men especially inlight of Sami also now cheating.
This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas.
My point was not to say that I think Sami is worse than Carrie but to say that they are exactly alike. That was the point I was trying to make too.....don't say Carrie is any worse than Sami when both have pitted men against one another. I might not like Carrie very much, but it is what it is....she did it, so did Sami and at least carrie is leaving and we won't see it happen for now again with her...but Sami we'll see it continue
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And, you know, he walked in on Ejami horrendous sex, and I am sure the memory of that still scars (lordy know it left a permanent, still-throbbing scar on my memory).
Best two days of my adult soap watching life... Yep...worst two of mine....and pretty much all the years that followed.
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Helpless Romantic
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Jul 5 2012, 01:15 PM
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- Jul 5 2012, 01:10 PM
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- Ali_James
- Jul 5 2012, 01:00 PM
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- Jul 5 2012, 12:54 PM
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This is the new DAYS. That whole group will continue to go back and forth as long as the writers can get away with it. And I agree Tina that Carrie is the Queen of pitting guys against each other, even brothers like she did with Austin and Lucas.
My point was not to say that I think Sami is worse than Carrie but to say that they are exactly alike.
That was the point I was trying to make too.....don't say Carrie is any worse than Sami when both have pitted men against one another. I might not like Carrie very much, but it is what it is....she did it, so did Sami and at least carrie is leaving and we won't see it happen for now again with her...but Sami we'll see it continue They also both love to play the victim but MarDar thinking that Scarrie was the "good girl" to Sami's "bad girl" they were sorely mistaken with. It just made me hate her and CAFE even more. No matter how hard they tried to paint CAFE as the rooting couple and Sami as the dastardly one to little miss gets excused and a pass for her behaviour by everyone. Looking forward to her last day. Its ridiculous that MarDar thought they could go back to the dynamics of the 90s with the sisters. It didn't do either of them any favors.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:33 PM
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This is MarDar's stuff, right?
WOW-- no wonder they were fired......
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Jul 5 2012, 01:35 PM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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Sami existed fine without Lucas for 3 years! EJami all the way! He can remain her BFF, as long as they are not a couple!
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Jul 5 2012, 01:37 PM
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Sami existed fine without Lucas for 3 years! EJami all the way! He can remain her BFF, as long as they are not a couple! She also existed fine without EJ for 13 years, lol. I'm rooting for her to stop existing. She is killing this show for me.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:39 PM
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- Jul 5 2012, 01:35 PM
Sami existed fine without Lucas for 3 years! EJami all the way! He can remain her BFF, as long as they are not a couple! ICAM I'm tired of seeing Sami being berated by Lucas like she is a little kid. The lack of romantic chemistry makes me cringed when they are on. Lucas can go and scowl in a corner or something for all I care.
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Jul 5 2012, 01:42 PM
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- lysie
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Sami existed fine without Lucas for 3 years! EJami all the way! He can remain her BFF, as long as they are not a couple!
She also existed fine without EJ for 13 years, lol. I'm rooting for her to stop existing. She is killing this show for me. Im rooting for this too..but if I cant have that....then I'll settle for Dr Annoying Orange and Sami!
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