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THR: EILEEN DAVIDSON RETURNING!
Topic Started: Jul 5 2012, 12:35 PM (25,910 Views)
DiMera87
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I'm sorry, I would think John dumb for wanting to trust Kristen, but it wouldn't be out of character for him. I don't want Kristen to come between John and Marlena and I don't think she will. But I am tired of all of the "good guys" on this show being so self-righteous that I ONLY want to cheer for the "bad guys." If John was a dickhead and had second thoughts to himself then I would accept that. Marlena should not ever even consider Kristen anything, but the devil. John I think differently. He was in love with her for a period of time (even though Marlena was always his true love).

Kristen brings tons of story for John and Marlena so I'm happy because I'm a fan of all three of those characters. She came in and made John and Marlena fresh all over again and this would be a good time for them to get a shot in the ass. Its not their fault the writing for them has been bland lately, but its time to turn it up a notch.
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King
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I miss those DAYS. When there was a couple you knew would get together in the end, you'd root for them...or root against them and root for the third wheel...

Either way, there was a plan. Not this garbage where Daniel, Sami, Nicole, Abby, and Chad have each had 3 love interests in a year.
Edited by King, Jul 10 2012, 06:56 PM.
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Alin89
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im k with her coming bak. i wasnt watching days bak then only my mom and grandma was.
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Kenny
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Jul 10 2012, 06:42 PM
ShaneDOOLFan
Jul 10 2012, 06:04 PM
honestly I do not want a rehash of John/Marlena/Kristen that has been done. Its time to make Kristen a viable villian aka not a cartoonish one. I feel like at the end of her run she was pretty much written into a corner. The needs a good antagonist and with proper writing she could easily become a character that people love to hate with real storylines. I do think John and Marlena should be involved with her but not in the same capacity. Anyone have story ideas?
John & Marlena should be fully involved. But as a good vs evil kind of thing. John & Marlena seeing her lies and trying to stop it, while everyone else feels sorry for her and wants to believe she's changed.

If they make John a dumb fuck who somehow believes she's trustworthy, or worth five seconds of his time... they can take the story and go to soap-hell. John believes in people, but Kristen not only ripped him of time with Marlena and his children of time with them as a family, living together (they were a family, but Kritter certainly tried to ruin that)... she almost killed his daughter, let him love a baby who he then had to let go of, lied, kidnapped the woman his best friend/the woman he loves, hurt a friend he loved (Laura) and raised hell in his life. No. Freaking. Way. John as a character is toast if they even go there.
What if John and Marlena both think Kristen has changed? I mean, she's been gone for 14 years. The last we saw of her she was locked in a dungeon after being sold into white slavery. Who knows what she's been through (or will claim to have been through) over the last decade and a half. I could see J&M thinking maybe she's not the same monster she used to be. That doesn't mean I would want them to completely trust her -- far from it, in fact -- but I could see J&M initially giving her the benefit of the doubt while Kristen secretly plots against them. I don't think it would ruin either character to do that. Marlena did it with Stefano when he had amnesia in 1995. All good guys on soaps are naive/oblivious/too trusting from time to time.
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DiMeraFan67
Jul 10 2012, 06:49 PM
I'm sorry, I would think John dumb for wanting to trust Kristen, but it wouldn't be out of character for him. I don't want Kristen to come between John and Marlena and I don't think she will. But I am tired of all of the "good guys" on this show being so self-righteous that I ONLY want to cheer for the "bad guys." If John was a dickhead and had second thoughts to himself then I would accept that. Marlena should not ever even consider Kristen anything, but the devil. John I think differently. He was in love with her for a period of time (even though Marlena was always his true love).

Kristen brings tons of story for John and Marlena so I'm happy because I'm a fan of all three of those characters. She came in and made John and Marlena fresh all over again and this would be a good time for them to get a shot in the ass. Its not their fault the writing for them has been bland lately, but its time to turn it up a notch.
After all she has done, yes, it would be. If she was someone new, one could say he has a history of being too trusting (Kristen, Gina, Kate, Brady, Sami), but they have a history. She almost got Marlena killed, almost got his daughter killed and almost got his friend killed. That's fine that they had a relationship, but they also had a year after he discovered what she had done and he LOATHED her. That should continue. If things had ended and Kristen had just disappeared, of course he'd want answers and such, but there was a year full of crap (including Kristen bringing back Winston to break up him and Marlena, and all that followed; trying to steal Susan's baby) after that. There was noting unresolved except where she really ended up (beyond a harem we don't know anything).

There's a way to have conflict between a couple without ruining them and taking them completely out of character.

If J&M had doubts, that would be fine for me, Kenny. Absolutely. But believing her and trusting her... no way, not after what she's done. They're forgiving, and want to believe the best in people (see John with Brady, Marlena with Stefano, Sami), but come on. Either of them trusting her or welcoming her back with open arms, having contact that isn't stained with all the things she did... seriously out of character. I wish she would just be evil, though. We have the "greyish" and the "evil, but no one knows how evil", and the "Claims he's done nothing wrong while playing grandpy"... I want someone to wreck heavoc, and watch them try to stop it. Being told she's gonna ruin their lives but no know how, just being told she'll make it happen. EVIL. She certainly has enough time past to justify it.

Marlena was still weary of Stefano, her guilt of what the devil had done just ate her up enough, that she pushed that aside, and felt the need to make him well. Plus, he had amnesia. I actually loved that story. John & Marlena angst deluxe! That was conflict! But neither of them was out of character.
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Kenny
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Jul 10 2012, 07:15 PM
If J&M had doubts, that would be fine for me, Kenny. Absolutely. But believing her and trusting her... no way, not after what she's done. They're forgiving, and want to believe the best in people (see John with Brady, Marlena with Stefano, Sami), but come on. Either of them trusting her or welcoming her back with open arms, having contact that isn't stained with all the things she did... seriously out of character. I wish she would just be evil, though. We have the "greyish" and the "evil, but no one knows how evil", and the "Claims he's done nothing wrong while playing grandpy"... I want someone to wreck heavoc, and watch them try to stop it. Being told she's gonna ruin their lives but no know how, just being told she'll make it happen. EVIL. She certainly has enough time past to justify it.
LoL, I didn't say I would want them to welcome her back with open arms, but if Kristen comes back to Salem telling how she's been raped and tortured and brutalized over the last 14 years, you don't think J&M might think she's a changed woman? You don't think they might think she's been punished for her sins enough? They don't have to be best friends to give her the benefit of the doubt. They don't even have to trust her. But they could give her the benefit of the doubt. Marlena did it with Stefano in 1995, and by that point he had already kidnapped her children and committed countless crimes against her and her family. Driven by guilt or not, if it didn't ruin the character then, I doubt it would ruin the character now.

That said, I'm fine with it playing out your way too. That would be great as well.
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Kenny
Jul 10 2012, 04:45 PM
SallySlice
Jul 10 2012, 04:02 PM
I thought Susan was a stupid joke with that annoying fake voice and horse teeth.
Susan was definitely a caricature. She was fine in small doses, but once the Secret Room story ended she should've been written out. That said, I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the character -- not because I'm a fan of slapstick humor, but because it was hilarious to watch an actress as serious and stone-faced as Eileen have to behave in such a ridiculous way. It wasn't funny because of what was written on the page. It was funny because of Eileen.



I'm sorry but I enjoyed every minute of that bat shit crazy Susan - from her voice, to her faces to those teefs of hers! I literally laughed out loud at the first video as soon as she started talking/
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does anyone other than susan know that kristen is alive? how many of you all think her first scene will be in the harem? Im thinking they are going to go with more of a surprise entrance in Salem myself. What do you all think is best?
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ShaneDOOLFan
Jul 10 2012, 07:50 PM
does anyone other than susan know that kristen is alive? how many of you all think her first scene will be in the harem? Im thinking they are going to go with more of a surprise entrance in Salem myself. What do you all think is best?
I hope it is a surprise entrance in Salem, but I can't see how it could be anything but that. Noone knows that she is alive (to my knowledge). I can just imagine Marlena's face. "What the hell? Aren't you dead?" "Not quite...Marleennaa." Ha!
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ShaneDOOLFan
Jul 10 2012, 07:50 PM
does anyone other than susan know that kristen is alive? how many of you all think her first scene will be in the harem? Im thinking they are going to go with more of a surprise entrance in Salem myself. What do you all think is best?
Stefano knew that Kristen was alive too.
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yes but he thought susan was in the harem. I wonder if they are going to say Stefano found out and took EJ from Susan or what. They never really acknowledged what happened to Susans custody of Elvis when EJ came to Salem. Maybe Kristen has been in hiding?
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Sindacco
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No he thought Susan died in the pool and that Kristen was raising Elvis.
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well either way they have some explaining to do.
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Kenny
Jul 10 2012, 07:34 PM
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Jul 10 2012, 07:15 PM
If J&M had doubts, that would be fine for me, Kenny. Absolutely. But believing her and trusting her... no way, not after what she's done. They're forgiving, and want to believe the best in people (see John with Brady, Marlena with Stefano, Sami), but come on. Either of them trusting her or welcoming her back with open arms, having contact that isn't stained with all the things she did... seriously out of character. I wish she would just be evil, though. We have the "greyish" and the "evil, but no one knows how evil", and the "Claims he's done nothing wrong while playing grandpy"... I want someone to wreck heavoc, and watch them try to stop it. Being told she's gonna ruin their lives but no know how, just being told she'll make it happen. EVIL. She certainly has enough time past to justify it.
LoL, I didn't say I would want them to welcome her back with open arms, but if Kristen comes back to Salem telling how she's been raped and tortured and brutalized over the last 14 years, you don't think J&M might think she's a changed woman? You don't think they might think she's been punished for her sins enough? They don't have to be best friends to give her the benefit of the doubt. They don't even have to trust her. But they could give her the benefit of the doubt. Marlena did it with Stefano in 1995, and by that point he had already kidnapped her children and committed countless crimes against her and her family. Driven by guilt or not, if it didn't ruin the character then, I doubt it would ruin the character now.

That said, I'm fine with it playing out your way too. That would be great as well.
Seriously, and given EJ's SORASing predicament, its been more like 32 years, rather than 14.
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I think I'm the only one who feels this way, but I REALLY liked Kristen when she was good and together with John before Aremid. I hated how they ruined the couple for Marlena. I thought that Eileen Davidson and Drake Hogestyn had great chemistry. I know they will probably not be paired again given their history together but I don't know who else they could pair ED with on the show. That said, I'm still looking forward to seeing Kristen on screen again, crazy or not!
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I enjoyed Susan for comedy, I loved little scenes like when she was at a wedding (Sami/Austin or Marlena/John) and kept telling everyone it wouldn't go through because Salem weddings never do. I don't know how that would work these days since they don't seem to do comedy now, but I always felt entertained by Susan and Mary Moira. I felt like they were the perfect outlet for some of the siliier comedy which I didn't care for when it was pushed on Vivian.
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ticker
Jul 10 2012, 11:46 PM
I think I'm the only one who feels this way, but I REALLY liked Kristen when she was good and together with John before Aremid. I hated how they ruined the couple for Marlena. I thought that Eileen Davidson and Drake Hogestyn had great chemistry. I know they will probably not be paired again given their history together but I don't know who else they could pair ED with on the show. That said, I'm still looking forward to seeing Kristen on screen again, crazy or not!
I loved John & Kristen pairing as well!
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King
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Drake and Eileen were sexy to me.

Drake and Dee do the lovey dovey strawberry shit well, but D&E were HOT!!
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BalscoFan5
Jul 10 2012, 05:24 PM
Kritter better not make John look like a clueless dumb dumb again.
John does that to himself just fine.
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darraholic
Jul 11 2012, 01:31 AM
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Jul 10 2012, 05:24 PM
Kritter better not make John look like a clueless dumb dumb again.
John does that to himself just fine.

ICAM!!! Let him an EJ go around playing cartoon characters while giving Marlena and Kristen some bitchy material of their own.

The show is in desperate need of a female rivarly. And that could be Marlena/Kristen!
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