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Spoilers for the week of July 16th; *updated 7/13*
Topic Started: Jul 5 2012, 03:11 PM (59,386 Views)
Aliaron
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rachelgreen
Jul 7 2012, 09:30 AM
Aliaron
Jul 7 2012, 08:30 AM
This show needs to figure out what does it wants it's viewers to thinks and if its reasonable.

Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.

It's like he doesn't give a crap about these people until Lucas is in town. Then he's all about taking over his family and the show is all about making everything about poor little EJ.

Does this show really want us to side with EJ and feel bad for him? It's not going to happen. This is why EJ is not a good head character. Even if this storyline takes six months, viewers are not going cheer that they found EJ innocent. He's not that type of character. they will either stop watching or be happy the storyline is over but EJ is too devisive of a character To write like he's the show's hero, which is basically what they're doing.

I'm tired of them using every character to pimp EJ. They damaged Will with all this. I will never buy that his loyalty is with EJ instead of Lucas, his father who took care of him his whole life and nearly died protecting him. This show just plainly sucks.


wait a minute. this IS ej's family too. this family is not exclusively lucas'. ej has as much right as lucas. besides, sami and will are both adults. they chose to be involved with ej. I for one am enjoying the ejill and ejami interactions and based on feeback, so are a lot of people.

ej going through this ordeal is necessary in order for him to pay for his past transgressions i get that even though my heart is breaking for him. but ej must go through hell in order for him to grow as a person. hopefully, will and sami will be there for him and supporting him every step of the way. it will be worth it.

as for lucas, i can not feel any sympathy for him as he knew there was unresolved feelings between ejami and he even confronted sami about them when he first returned. he was a fool to get involved with a woman he knew was harboring secret feelings for another man. he put himself in that position. now he has to deal with it.

i don't blame him for wanting to protect his son though. but it is just too bad because will is an adult and such he gets to make his own choice.
How in the heaven's name is Sami, Will and Allie EJ's family? Sounds like Rafe learned family stealing skills from EJ. This has been Lucas' family for about 20 years.

I love how Will just turned eighteen and has been an optional wreck but we're suppose to treat him like he's thirty and his dad is supposed to just stand back and do nothing.

I'm tired of EJ redemption stories where EJ never feels remorse for the evil he's done, his voctims have never recieved any justice but the viewers are suppose to rally behind him. I hate storylines where all the good guys are trying to help the bad guy. I've never seen the Justice League use all their resources to get lex Luther out of prison.

There are bigger battles to fight. Especially since we know Stefano isn't dead.
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rachelgreen
Jul 7 2012, 09:35 AM
SocRMum1
Jul 7 2012, 08:55 AM
Angie79
Jul 7 2012, 01:46 AM
Monday ("The Fight")
Rafe and Roman break up a fight between EJ and Lucas; Ian becomes suspicious of Kate.
With visions of previously choreographed fight scenes in my head...this spoiler makes me cringe.


i know what you mean. it is unbelievable that lucas or even rafe could get the better of ej. the idea is ridiculous. yet the writers are biased against ej and they like giving his haters crumbs by getting him beaten up by his enemies. anyone with common sense knows it is beyond contrived.
Well, I have common sense and while I think it's an odd choice because of EJ's height, I also think it makes sense. Lucas went to military school. Rafe supposedly has police and FBI training. EJ grew up first with Susan and Edmund (y'all...I had to get on my computer to type that name...my phone REFUSED) then with Stefano and a silver spoon. It makes sense that'd he'd be a bully with little to no physical fight in him. He's more about mind control rather than physical control.
Edited by lysie, Jul 7 2012, 09:57 AM.
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Geovanne


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Jul 5 2012, 09:09 PM
Diamonde
Jul 5 2012, 07:04 PM
Ej_Sami
Jul 5 2012, 03:15 PM
So Lucas finds the letter. What is he going to do with that info. Probably give it to John. :eyeroll: ..
I think it's possible Lucas might blackmail EJ with it to make sure he stays away from Sami since he knows he would never want that to get out.
Well, at least that would be interesting. It would be nice to see Lucas get to do something scheme-y.
I can't see the hero Lucas scheming, threatening him yes but scheming no. If you want to know what Lucas will do think of John because as of late he has been acting just like John.
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Geovanne


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Jul 5 2012, 09:17 PM
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Jul 5 2012, 09:07 PM
Magics teacher- I HATE HATE HATE CAFE! Carrie belongs with one man ONLY AND THAT IS AUSTIN! Always have and always will! What do u think it means when carries feelings for Rafe come rushing back?
Nothing more than we have seen before. It's just another teaser spoiler that will go nowhere.
you are so right, it has been that way for a while.
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reagon
Jul 7 2012, 09:40 AM
The EJ hour is boring as hell.

You can almost bet that it will be the EJ hour the rest of the week as well. zzzzzzzzzzz.
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I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
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Helpless Romantic
Jul 7 2012, 09:41 AM
brazen
Jul 7 2012, 09:36 AM
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.

Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas.

Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own.

Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
Yeah because EJ has never obssessed over Sami? Please. Hes obssessed over her so much to make himself feel better he needed to eliminate the competition by putting fakes in her bed and locking people in freezer trucks while stalking her at every turn. When Rafe or Lucas do any of that is when I would call them obsessed. EJ just never could stand to lose and he ALWAYS came in last and acted rather pathetic trying to regain control and Lucas was saying all that shit recently because MarDar were going with EJAMI but now all bets are off.
The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006.

Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ.

EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy.

As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing.

They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.


Edited by brazen, Jul 7 2012, 10:02 AM.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 7 2012, 09:59 AM
I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
He didn't really overtake Patrick. Patrick was incredibly submissive. Days really missed an opportunity...
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brazen
Jul 7 2012, 09:36 AM
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.

Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas.

Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own.

Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
The problem is I could give two rats tails that EJ is innocent. So this storyline does not interest me.

Lucas is obsessed with EJ because this mf'er is all around lucas family all the time and Lucas has a problem with it? What sane person wouldn't have a problem with it?

This show is shit. They have taken a family we've seen grow before our eyes for two decades and turned them into a tool crammed under EJ to prop this character up.

If you are going to have Lucas entire family turn on him then it has to make sense. Will doesn't get a star for degrading the only man who had his back for years. Neither does Sami.

Making it all about EJ is making it shit.
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Geovanne
Jul 7 2012, 09:53 AM
EJamandBread
Jul 5 2012, 09:09 PM
Diamonde
Jul 5 2012, 07:04 PM
Ej_Sami
Jul 5 2012, 03:15 PM
So Lucas finds the letter. What is he going to do with that info. Probably give it to John. :eyeroll: ..
I think it's possible Lucas might blackmail EJ with it to make sure he stays away from Sami since he knows he would never want that to get out.
Well, at least that would be interesting. It would be nice to see Lucas get to do something scheme-y.
I can't see the hero Lucas scheming, threatening him yes but scheming no. If you want to know what Lucas will do think of John because as of late he has been acting just like John.
Heroes scheme all the time. Bad guys do not own scheming. Good guys have been scheming since the beginning to get the goods on the bad guy. They are leaders. The problem with days is that they always write them as reactionary characters.
Edited by Aliaron, Jul 7 2012, 10:08 AM.
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lysie


I'm confused as to why it would bother Sami if EJ were guilty anyway. Why does anyone in Salem care? I know this audience member doesn't. It makes no difference to me whether he's innocent or guilty.
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Helpless Romantic
Jul 7 2012, 09:48 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 09:40 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 09:35 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 08:55 AM

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i know what you mean. it is unbelievable that lucas or even rafe could get the better of ej. the idea is ridiculous. yet the writers are biased against ej and they like giving his haters crumbs by getting him beaten up by his enemies. anyone with common sense knows it is beyond contrived.
Well at least we have the scene in my gif of EJ knocking the troll out :wub:
He let EJ punch him and since then Rafe has knocked him out plenty. It all goes in a cycle.
Don't ruin my happy memory ;) more scenes like that please :cheer:
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Liz<3Days
Jul 7 2012, 09:59 AM
I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
THIS! As I said the one time Rafe let EJ punch him during the Grace's death SL Rafe let his guard down because he actually felt bad that this happened. Much like when Patrick just let EJ beat him up. So the other party needs to not fight back at all for EJ to do something which isn't often because he usually pays people off. Also of course MarDar were making EJ look good and Lucas look bad, because how else would Sami think hes soo great?
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Jul 7 2012, 10:04 AM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 7 2012, 09:48 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 09:40 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 09:35 AM

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Well at least we have the scene in my gif of EJ knocking the troll out :wub:
He let EJ punch him and since then Rafe has knocked him out plenty. It all goes in a cycle.
Don't ruin my happy memory ;) more scenes like that please :cheer:
I could go for that. I love those two fighting but the icing would be if they faught with their shirts off more often. :wub:
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If you are going to have Lucas entire family turn on him then it has to make sense. Will doesn't get a star for degrading the only man who had his back for years. Neither does Sami.


They're not even turning on him. Lucas's talks with Will during his coming out week were great, but all Lucas does now is focus on EJ.

Lucas's actions are going to push them away. Manipulating Will's job to get him ousted and get John in charge, is supposed to make Will adore him? Sami's with Lucas, yet he acts like a father ordering her who she shouldn't see and who she needs saving from, all because she believes EJ's innocent. Lucas's crusade again is going to be what pushes her away from him.
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brazen
Jul 7 2012, 10:01 AM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 7 2012, 09:41 AM
brazen
Jul 7 2012, 09:36 AM
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.

Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas.

Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own.

Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
Yeah because EJ has never obssessed over Sami? Please. Hes obssessed over her so much to make himself feel better he needed to eliminate the competition by putting fakes in her bed and locking people in freezer trucks while stalking her at every turn. When Rafe or Lucas do any of that is when I would call them obsessed. EJ just never could stand to lose and he ALWAYS came in last and acted rather pathetic trying to regain control and Lucas was saying all that shit recently because MarDar were going with EJAMI but now all bets are off.
The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006.

Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ.

EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy.

As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing.

They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.


I got what you meant. I am just saying that the obsessive nature of these guys and why they act the way they do is because of Sami and by extension Will but Sami is why they have that blow up fight next week and I guess it continues the following week too. Neither Rafe EJ or Lucas likes that another party is hovering over Sami. So each of their MO' is to "take care" of the others. EJ goes to the most extremes to achieve this while Lucas and Rafe want him locked up. Why? Because of Sami was my point. No matter if they get shifted away in other stories, for these guys what makes them behave this way is because of her. At present I just don't think she is worth it is all I am saying and what I brought up with the fake Rafe happened last year and because Lucas hasn't been on screen yes I did bring up the 2007 incident. So as much as these guys try to play it cool with each other they don't like the others hovering around Sami. I don't think any of the 3 will ever make peace with each other because they are too jealous of the other to be able to do that. That jealousy drives them to fight each other and want the other out of Sami's life.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jul 7 2012, 10:26 AM.
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They have had Will turning against Lucas since he came into town in favor of EJ. First they had him turn against Sami, now it's been Lucas.

But the truth is no one should care about Ej. But they are banking on using these characters to get the viewers to care. It ain't going to happen.
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lysie
Jul 7 2012, 10:02 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 7 2012, 09:59 AM
I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
He didn't really overtake Patrick. Patrick was incredibly submissive. Days really missed an opportunity...
Thats true...Patrick basically kneeled and let him hit him. I always thought it was so unbelievable.
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lysie
Jul 7 2012, 10:02 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 7 2012, 09:59 AM
I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
He didn't really overtake Patrick. Patrick was incredibly submissive. Days really missed an opportunity...
We can't say Patrick didn't attempt to fight back, because we didn't see the fight, just the aftermath. EJ got Brady pretty good, too.
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six
Jul 7 2012, 10:28 AM
lysie
Jul 7 2012, 10:02 AM
Liz<3Days
Jul 7 2012, 09:59 AM
I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
He didn't really overtake Patrick. Patrick was incredibly submissive. Days really missed an opportunity...
We can't say Patrick didn't attempt to fight back, because we didn't see the fight, just the aftermath. EJ got Brady pretty good, too.
We saw him turn around and kneel down, though.

Wasn't it EJ's men that beat Brady up?
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