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Spoilers for the week of July 16th; *updated 7/13*
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Jul 7 2012, 10:37 AM
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- Jul 7 2012, 09:59 AM
I see EJ as the type that would have two guys holding the other while he gets to punch away. I dont believe EJ as the type that would win in a fair physical fight. Thats why I never believed that he would be able to beat up Patrick that time. The guy that played Patrick is huge and it was a lame ass attempt to show EJ being able to overtake him.
He didn't really overtake Patrick. Patrick was incredibly submissive. Days really missed an opportunity...
We can't say Patrick didn't attempt to fight back, because we didn't see the fight, just the aftermath. EJ got Brady pretty good, too.
We saw him turn around and kneel down, though. Wasn't it EJ's men that beat Brady up? No we didn't. Patrick was counting his money with his back to EJ. When he turned around, EJ suddenly swung on him.
Two different scenes. I'm talking about the one where Brady attacked EJ, and EJ was still able to get some good shots in even after getting bashed in the head with a club.
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Jul 7 2012, 10:38 AM
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We can't say Patrick didn't attempt to fight back, because we didn't see the fight, just the aftermath. EJ got Brady pretty good, too.
We saw him turn around and kneel down, though. Wasn't it EJ's men that beat Brady up?
No we didn't. Patrick was counting his money with his back to EJ. When he turned around, EJ suddenly swung on him. Two different scenes. I'm talking about the one where Brady attacked EJ, and EJ was still able to get some good shots in even after getting bashed in the head with a club. Then what scene am I thinking of? Not the Brady one. The Patrick one.
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Jul 7 2012, 10:40 AM
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We saw him turn around and kneel down, though. Wasn't it EJ's men that beat Brady up?
No we didn't. Patrick was counting his money with his back to EJ. When he turned around, EJ suddenly swung on him. Two different scenes. I'm talking about the one where Brady attacked EJ, and EJ was still able to get some good shots in even after getting bashed in the head with a club.
Then what scene am I thinking of? Not the Brady one. The Patrick one. LOL. Um, I have no idea, but it sounds a little racy for daytime. :unsure: :P
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Jul 7 2012, 10:42 AM
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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- brazen
- Jul 7 2012, 10:01 AM
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- Jul 7 2012, 09:41 AM
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.
Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas. Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own. Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
Yeah because EJ has never obssessed over Sami? Please. Hes obssessed over her so much to make himself feel better he needed to eliminate the competition by putting fakes in her bed and locking people in freezer trucks while stalking her at every turn. When Rafe or Lucas do any of that is when I would call them obsessed. EJ just never could stand to lose and he ALWAYS came in last and acted rather pathetic trying to regain control and Lucas was saying all that shit recently because MarDar were going with EJAMI but now all bets are off.
The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006. Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ. EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy. As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing. They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.
I agree with you. How is Sami standing by E.J., the father of 2 of her kids, turning on Lucas? This has nothing to do with Lucas. If the roles were reversed and Lucas was in trouble, I'd expect Sami to stand by him too.
Sami has a family with E.J., just like with Lucas. Yet, Lucas is always acting as if only him and their kids matter! Does Lucas have any proof that E.J. is guilty? Nope. And even if he did, Sami can still stand by E.J. seing how she doesn't care about who killed Stefano. He can't get Sami and Will away from E.J., so he wants him in jail or losing DiMera Enterprises?
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Jul 7 2012, 10:48 AM
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Yeah because EJ has never obssessed over Sami? Please. Hes obssessed over her so much to make himself feel better he needed to eliminate the competition by putting fakes in her bed and locking people in freezer trucks while stalking her at every turn. When Rafe or Lucas do any of that is when I would call them obsessed. EJ just never could stand to lose and he ALWAYS came in last and acted rather pathetic trying to regain control and Lucas was saying all that shit recently because MarDar were going with EJAMI but now all bets are off.
The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006. Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ. EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy. As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing. They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.
I agree with you. How is Sami standing by E.J., the father of 2 of her kids, turning on Lucas? This has nothing to do with Lucas. If the roles were reversed and Lucas was in trouble, I'd expect Sami to stand by him too. Sami has a family with E.J., just like with Lucas. Yet, Lucas is always acting as if only him and their kids matter! Does Lucas have any proof that E.J. is guilty? Nope. And even if he did, Sami can still stand by E.J. seing how she doesn't care about who killed Stefano. He can't get Sami and Will away from E.J., so he wants him in jail or losing DiMera Enterprises? Actually on the bolded that is not the case. When they had the family outing Lucas specifically said Johnny and Sydney could have come too and during the camping scenes he seemed to pay more attention to Johnny than Allie. Is he perfect, no and EJ has been good at remembering Allie at times and others just completely ignoring her existance that is the fault of the PTB but at least the last few times the kids were seen they were seen all together. Instead of just Syd or Johnny who have been featured more over all than poor Allie who was eithier playing in her room or away in HK.
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Jul 7 2012, 10:51 AM
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This storyline where we are supposed to care about Ej's innocence reminds me of an article about Hitler helping keep a jewish soldier alive. At the end all you're asking is "do you really expect me to change my opinion of the guy now? And are you really going to try and use his victims to do it?"
Opinions have already been formed on Ej. He is a devisive character. TPTB need to trying to constantly make fans into pro-ej. it's not going to happen. Really? A comparison between a soap villain and a real-life dictator who slaughtered 15 million people? Okay then.
Anyway, I think one of the biggest problems with EJ is that they haven't "constantly" tried to do anything with him. One minute, he's evil personified and the next minute he has horrible things happen to him which I assume is supposed to make the audience feel bad for him. I'm all for complexity and layers in my characters, and I'm a sucker for a great redemption story. But the back and forth they've done with EJ over the years doesn't make him gray, it just makes his character a mess.
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Jul 7 2012, 10:54 AM
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Still not enough John and Marlena,pass on that week too.
By summer's end Sami will cheat on Lucas I bet.
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Jul 7 2012, 10:56 AM
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I actually think MarDar have been the most consistent with EJ's character. Under them, he's a guy who does some bad stuff (framing John, blackmailing Will, etc.), but who is shown to have a heart for those he loves (his dad, Lexie, his kids, his ex-wives). He's been more "gray" and less black-white-black-white than he was under GT/DH.
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Jul 7 2012, 10:56 AM
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- tomsawyer
- Jul 7 2012, 10:51 AM
- Aliaron
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This storyline where we are supposed to care about Ej's innocence reminds me of an article about Hitler helping keep a jewish soldier alive. At the end all you're asking is "do you really expect me to change my opinion of the guy now? And are you really going to try and use his victims to do it?"
Opinions have already been formed on Ej. He is a devisive character. TPTB need to trying to constantly make fans into pro-ej. it's not going to happen.
Really? A comparison between a soap villain and a real-life dictator who slaughtered 15 million people? Okay then. Anyway, I think one of the biggest problems with EJ is that they haven't "constantly" tried to do anything with him. One minute, he's evil personified and the next minute he has horrible things happen to him which I assume is supposed to make the audience feel bad for him. I'm all for complexity and layers in my characters, and I'm a sucker for a great redemption story. But the back and forth they've done with EJ over the years doesn't make him gray, it just makes his character a mess. Theres No complexity and from my standpoint this story doesn't achieve what they want which is to have the audience feel sorry for him. Frankly the entire story IMO is lackluster and boring. Does anyone care if EJ is or is not guilty not really. The only reason I have a tad of interest is because I am assuming Stefano is not dead and Kristin is coming back.
Y&R did a great job over the years of writing Victor as the show villain yet giving him some vulnerability and compassion. It's wavered in recent years as the writing on that show has gone downhill but I even have to admit I felt something for Victor when he went to prison to protect the love of his life Nikki this past year.
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Jul 7 2012, 11:10 AM
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- Jul 6 2012, 05:37 PM
Well, I am just going to enjoy my couple for as long, or more like...little, as I can. It has been a long time since Ejami has had an opportunity. Shoot damn, I hope we get nearly as long as Ejole had together as a couple. Tickle fights, snookie wookie talk and...Ahhh what the hell am I talking about? I will take half the time if it can be something more watchable than that. More angry hot couch sex is alrighty w/me;)
i am going to enjoy the ejami goodness too.i have my ticket and ready to embark on the ejami express lol. i am hoping for a good story. we have waiting too long for this. ejami deserves a well written story. keeping my fingers crossed.
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100% agree it just seems Mardar liked to pander to fanbases, and instead they ending up writing crap storylines and wasting talented actors such as Ari and Bryan, just for the sucktastic pairing of Ejami. They appeared to have been ruining everyone for EJ and Sami. They had to go a thousand miles out of the way to get back to Ejami but they were determined to do it, no matter how non sensical the s/l's are.
Who did they ruin? Carrie has always had another guy, while poor poor Austin waited for her. Nicole lied about 2 of E.J.'s children long before MarDar came to DAYS. Nicole has always used sex to get what she wanted, what she is doing with Daniel is hardly shocking. Nor will it ruin her. Lucas/LUMI too were not written for, before MarDar brought him back. DH had Rafe keep Grace away from E.J., now he is doing it again. So how did MarDar ruin anyone for EJami? They revived EJole after DH had E.J. cheat on her. And all of the sudden, E.J. "wanted Nicole more than anything he has ever wanted before".
i completely agree with your post. nicole has always been a whore since day. she sleeps around. she has always lied and schemed to get what she wants. she is actually been written in character these days. that is the nicole i have always known and despised. when they were writing her as some cheesy heroine and helpless victim, that was totally out of character and i was constantly rolling my eyes.
rafe is also being written in character. he has always been obsessed with ej's children since day one. nothing changed. the only difference is that he is no longer worshiping sami, he is now worshiping her sister, which is really nothing new either. all sami's men always end wanting her sister carrie except for ej. he is the only man who has always wanted sami first and foremost. every other women were just filling the void left by sami. and that's a fact.
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- Jul 6 2012, 06:34 PM
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I remember when we didn't have to be told a couple had sexual tension. It was there in the way they moved, talked, spoke and looked at each other. Time was given for there not to be dialogue, but they didn't put a red arrow on the screen and write "THEY HAVE SEXUAL CHEMISTRY". It was just there. See: John & Marlena share a dance at Blue Note. John was with Kristen, but everybody knew at that time she wasn't his choice, just a stand-in. Marlena walks up, his best friend in the world, and all she says is "Hi sailor", and you just knew. THAT is chemistry.
People can keep telling me EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry but it ain't there onscreen for me. When it is, I don't need to be told.
I don't think the spoiler is intended to tell you what message you are supposed to get from the scene, but rather to give those of us who like spoilers a heads up on what we can look forward to. I have never needed a spoiler or anybody else to tell me that EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry. I saw it the first time I saw them on screen together in 2009, and they were barely civil in the scene I saw. Their chemistry is what brought me back to Days.
EJAMI's chemistry is what keeps me watching Days! And I do think that MarDar were writing for EJAMI from the beginning, but were just a bit slow with it (except for the awesome EJAMI Nov. sex). I saw several hints/anvils that we were headed toward an EJAMI romance. But, I do think that MarDar gave crumbs to every fanbase though. The Ejole romance was full of distrust. Nicole came across as pathetic b/c she was always doubting EJ & wondering if she could trust him, but still stuck with EJ. Clearly EJ was lying to her a lot- about Sami & the blackmail with Will. It wasn't until Nicole helped EJ win the election that I felt that EJ was more genuine about wanting to be with Nicole, but even then it was just that he recognized Nicole's loyalty & was willing to settle for her b/c of that loyalty- not because he was in love with her. When the EJAMI sex was revealed and Nicole left, EJ didn't chase after her. Instead he waited to see what was going to happen between Sami & Rafe. That's just one example of how EJ has always been more passionate in wanting to keep Sami in his life as opposed to Nicole, where he just wanted a publicist or someone to keep him from being lonely..i.e. a placeholder. I love how we get to see Nicole be happy with Daniel! So refreshing! I hope Nicole finds a guy that makes her a priority & finally gets the white knight she's been wanting! And EJAMI are just sooo HOT! I anticipate the moment where we see Sami finally admit her love for EJ and EJ says he's still in love with Sami too! Oh EJAMI are just so addicting :)
i think the writers gave ejole one last shot but they failed miserably which is why they pulled out. i never really bought ejole as a rooting couple. it always seemed contrived and absurd to me. sure there has always been physical attraction between them. but ej never truly loved nicole IMO. from the beginning, he was just using nicole. even when he was with her supposedly 'happy', he was pinning for sami and she knew it.
i do think he grew to care for her genuinely when she was pretending to be pregnant, but it was more about the baby and the idea of family than anything else. proof is he dropped her like a used condom when he realized there was no baby lol.
ej also cheated on nicole with her own sister and nicole had to blackmail him in order for ej to stay married to her. at the time, it had never been more obvious that ej did not and never loved nicole.
the only time that the writing showed that ej might love nicole is under MarDar's pen. but i think he is getting over whatever it was and at this point he only wants his child.
i agree that daniel and nicole are kind of refreshing. at least he is not dreaming of another woman while fucking her lol.
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I remember when we didn't have to be told a couple had sexual tension. It was there in the way they moved, talked, spoke and looked at each other. Time was given for there not to be dialogue, but they didn't put a red arrow on the screen and write "THEY HAVE SEXUAL CHEMISTRY". It was just there. See: John & Marlena share a dance at Blue Note. John was with Kristen, but everybody knew at that time she wasn't his choice, just a stand-in. Marlena walks up, his best friend in the world, and all she says is "Hi sailor", and you just knew. THAT is chemistry.
People can keep telling me EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry but it ain't there onscreen for me. When it is, I don't need to be told.
I don't think the spoiler is intended to tell you what message you are supposed to get from the scene, but rather to give those of us who like spoilers a heads up on what we can look forward to. I have never needed a spoiler or anybody else to tell me that EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry. I saw it the first time I saw them on screen together in 2009, and they were barely civil in the scene I saw. Their chemistry is what brought me back to Days.
Me too. I started watching in 1996, but then tuned out. One day I decided to see what was going on in Salem, and I think EJ had a shaved head and was totally hating on Sami and even though I heard the words they were speaking I couldn't tear my eyes away and I kept thinking, "Good grief; they hate each other, but they want each other." I immediately googled them and became a huge fan. The sexual tension is a spoiler, not a descriptor. If EJ and Sami didn't have chemistry, explain how their fanbase is as large as it is given the little romantic interaction the pair have had. I can't think of another soap couple that have never actually REALLY been a couple that have the kind of following this pair has.
good point. ejami has never really been written as a couple. yet they have a unbelievably growing fanbase. tons of viewers are fascinated by them and want to see them given a chance. i know that i have wanted them to be given a fair shot since 2006. every time, i see them together, i am mesmerized and i want more.
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.
Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas. Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own. Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
lucas is indeed obsessed with ej. he is very insecured about him. ej does not even give lucas a second thought. yet lumi convos are always about ej lol.
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- Jul 7 2012, 01:46 AM
Monday ("The Fight") Rafe and Roman break up a fight between EJ and Lucas; Ian becomes suspicious of Kate.
With visions of previously choreographed fight scenes in my head...this spoiler makes me cringe.
i know what you mean. it is unbelievable that lucas or even rafe could get the better of ej. the idea is ridiculous. yet the writers are biased against ej and they like giving his haters crumbs by getting him beaten up by his enemies. anyone with common sense knows it is beyond contrived.
Rafe has gotten the better of EJ plenty and at least when Rafe and Lucas fight they actually fight EJ while EJ hires others to do his dirty work. But yeah as currently written Sami is not worthy of having anyone fight over her.
that is exactly my point. rafe getting the better of ej in every fight is unbelievable and absurd. ej is supposed to be this dangerous criminal bad ass with unlimited power and yet any loser can walk to him and beat the shit out of him without him getting a punch in. please!!!! it makes no sense. it is stupid contrived writing. there is no way a loser like rafe could beat ej up every single time while ej can not even hit him once. if they wanted to make it a little believable, they would make the fight a little more balanced. i get what they do it though. it is to give his haters something to cheer about.
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Jul 7 2012, 11:11 AM
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- Jul 7 2012, 10:56 AM
I actually think MarDar have been the most consistent with EJ's character. Under them, he's a guy who does some bad stuff (framing John, blackmailing Will, etc.), but who is shown to have a heart for those he loves (his dad, Lexie, his kids, his ex-wives). He's been more "gray" and less black-white-black-white than he was under GT/DH. I don't think they've been consistent with him at all. MarDar managed to write EJ at his best (pre-reset rewrites) and IMO at his worst (what's currently airing). He was somewhere bouncing around in between those two incarnations from about October-March. I think I prefer him evil and dumb as opposed to this wishy washy mess currently airing. Keyword is "think", lol.
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Jul 7 2012, 11:19 AM
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- Aliaron
- Jul 7 2012, 10:30 AM
This storyline where we are supposed to care about Ej's innocence reminds me of an article about Hitler helping keep a jewish soldier alive. At the end all you're asking is "do you really expect me to change my opinion of the guy now? And are you really going to try and use his victims to do it?"
Opinions have already been formed on Ej. He is a devisive character. TPTB need to trying to constantly make fans into pro-ej. it's not going to happen.
- Helpless Romantic
- Jul 7 2012, 09:41 AM
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.
Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas. Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own. Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
Yeah because EJ has never obssessed over Sami? Please. Hes obssessed over her so much to make himself feel better he needed to eliminate the competition by putting fakes in her bed and locking people in freezer trucks while stalking her at every turn. When Rafe or Lucas do any of that is when I would call them obsessed. EJ just never could stand to lose and he ALWAYS came in last and acted rather pathetic trying to regain control and Lucas was saying all that shit recently because MarDar were going with EJAMI but now all bets are off.
ej may have been obsessed in the past (though i don't necessarily agree). however he is not obsessed with anyone persently. he has grown since then. it sure looks that others are obsessed with him though like lucas and rafe and others. ej is focused on rebuilding his life while others are trying to find ways to neutralize him.
ej and sami have mutually chose to put their ugly past behind them and mend their relationship. :cheer: :wub:
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Well, I am just going to enjoy my couple for as long, or more like...little, as I can. It has been a long time since Ejami has had an opportunity. Shoot damn, I hope we get nearly as long as Ejole had together as a couple. Tickle fights, snookie wookie talk and...Ahhh what the hell am I talking about? I will take half the time if it can be something more watchable than that. More angry hot couch sex is alrighty w/me;)
i am going to enjoy the ejami goodness too.i have my ticket and ready to embark on the ejami express lol. i am hoping for a good story. we have waiting too long for this. ejami deserves a well written story. keeping my fingers crossed. - Ali_James
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They appeared to have been ruining everyone for EJ and Sami. They had to go a thousand miles out of the way to get back to Ejami but they were determined to do it, no matter how non sensical the s/l's are.
Who did they ruin? Carrie has always had another guy, while poor poor Austin waited for her. Nicole lied about 2 of E.J.'s children long before MarDar came to DAYS. Nicole has always used sex to get what she wanted, what she is doing with Daniel is hardly shocking. Nor will it ruin her. Lucas/LUMI too were not written for, before MarDar brought him back. DH had Rafe keep Grace away from E.J., now he is doing it again. So how did MarDar ruin anyone for EJami? They revived EJole after DH had E.J. cheat on her. And all of the sudden, E.J. "wanted Nicole more than anything he has ever wanted before".
i completely agree with your post. nicole has always been a whore since day. she sleeps around. she has always lied and schemed to get what she wants. she is actually been written in character these days. that is the nicole i have always known and despised. when they were writing her as some cheesy heroine and helpless victim, that was totally out of character and i was constantly rolling my eyes. rafe is also being written in character. he has always been obsessed with ej's children since day one. nothing changed. the only difference is that he is no longer worshiping sami, he is now worshiping her sister, which is really nothing new either. all sami's men always end wanting her sister carrie except for ej. he is the only man who has always wanted sami first and foremost. every other women were just filling the void left by sami. and that's a fact. - Ejami79
- Jul 6 2012, 07:46 PM
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I remember when we didn't have to be told a couple had sexual tension. It was there in the way they moved, talked, spoke and looked at each other. Time was given for there not to be dialogue, but they didn't put a red arrow on the screen and write "THEY HAVE SEXUAL CHEMISTRY". It was just there. See: John & Marlena share a dance at Blue Note. John was with Kristen, but everybody knew at that time she wasn't his choice, just a stand-in. Marlena walks up, his best friend in the world, and all she says is "Hi sailor", and you just knew. THAT is chemistry.
People can keep telling me EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry but it ain't there onscreen for me. When it is, I don't need to be told.
I don't think the spoiler is intended to tell you what message you are supposed to get from the scene, but rather to give those of us who like spoilers a heads up on what we can look forward to. I have never needed a spoiler or anybody else to tell me that EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry. I saw it the first time I saw them on screen together in 2009, and they were barely civil in the scene I saw. Their chemistry is what brought me back to Days.
EJAMI's chemistry is what keeps me watching Days! And I do think that MarDar were writing for EJAMI from the beginning, but were just a bit slow with it (except for the awesome EJAMI Nov. sex). I saw several hints/anvils that we were headed toward an EJAMI romance. But, I do think that MarDar gave crumbs to every fanbase though. The Ejole romance was full of distrust. Nicole came across as pathetic b/c she was always doubting EJ & wondering if she could trust him, but still stuck with EJ. Clearly EJ was lying to her a lot- about Sami & the blackmail with Will. It wasn't until Nicole helped EJ win the election that I felt that EJ was more genuine about wanting to be with Nicole, but even then it was just that he recognized Nicole's loyalty & was willing to settle for her b/c of that loyalty- not because he was in love with her. When the EJAMI sex was revealed and Nicole left, EJ didn't chase after her. Instead he waited to see what was going to happen between Sami & Rafe. That's just one example of how EJ has always been more passionate in wanting to keep Sami in his life as opposed to Nicole, where he just wanted a publicist or someone to keep him from being lonely..i.e. a placeholder. I love how we get to see Nicole be happy with Daniel! So refreshing! I hope Nicole finds a guy that makes her a priority & finally gets the white knight she's been wanting! And EJAMI are just sooo HOT! I anticipate the moment where we see Sami finally admit her love for EJ and EJ says he's still in love with Sami too! Oh EJAMI are just so addicting :)
i think the writers gave ejole one last shot but they failed miserably which is why they pulled out. i never really bought ejole as a rooting couple. it always seemed contrived and absurd to me. sure there has always been physical attraction between them. but ej never truly loved nicole IMO. from the beginning, he was just using nicole. even when he was with her supposedly 'happy', he was pinning for sami and she knew it. i do think he grew to care for her genuinely when she was pretending to be pregnant, but it was more about the baby and the idea of family than anything else. proof is he dropped her like a used condom when he realized there was no baby lol. ej also cheated on nicole with her own sister and nicole had to blackmail him in order for ej to stay married to her. at the time, it had never been more obvious that ej did not and never loved nicole. the only time that the writing showed that ej might love nicole is under MarDar's pen. but i think he is getting over whatever it was and at this point he only wants his child. i agree that daniel and nicole are kind of refreshing. at least he is not dreaming of another woman while fucking her lol. - EJamandBread
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I remember when we didn't have to be told a couple had sexual tension. It was there in the way they moved, talked, spoke and looked at each other. Time was given for there not to be dialogue, but they didn't put a red arrow on the screen and write "THEY HAVE SEXUAL CHEMISTRY". It was just there. See: John & Marlena share a dance at Blue Note. John was with Kristen, but everybody knew at that time she wasn't his choice, just a stand-in. Marlena walks up, his best friend in the world, and all she says is "Hi sailor", and you just knew. THAT is chemistry.
People can keep telling me EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry but it ain't there onscreen for me. When it is, I don't need to be told.
I don't think the spoiler is intended to tell you what message you are supposed to get from the scene, but rather to give those of us who like spoilers a heads up on what we can look forward to. I have never needed a spoiler or anybody else to tell me that EJ and Sami have sexual chemistry. I saw it the first time I saw them on screen together in 2009, and they were barely civil in the scene I saw. Their chemistry is what brought me back to Days.
Me too. I started watching in 1996, but then tuned out. One day I decided to see what was going on in Salem, and I think EJ had a shaved head and was totally hating on Sami and even though I heard the words they were speaking I couldn't tear my eyes away and I kept thinking, "Good grief; they hate each other, but they want each other." I immediately googled them and became a huge fan. The sexual tension is a spoiler, not a descriptor. If EJ and Sami didn't have chemistry, explain how their fanbase is as large as it is given the little romantic interaction the pair have had. I can't think of another soap couple that have never actually REALLY been a couple that have the kind of following this pair has.
good point. ejami has never really been written as a couple. yet they have a unbelievably growing fanbase. tons of viewers are fascinated by them and want to see them given a chance. i know that i have wanted them to be given a fair shot since 2006. every time, i see them together, i am mesmerized and i want more. - brazen
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.
Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas. Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own. Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
lucas is indeed obsessed with ej. he is very insecured about him. ej does not even give lucas a second thought. yet lumi convos are always about ej lol. - Helpless Romantic
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i know what you mean. it is unbelievable that lucas or even rafe could get the better of ej. the idea is ridiculous. yet the writers are biased against ej and they like giving his haters crumbs by getting him beaten up by his enemies. anyone with common sense knows it is beyond contrived.
Rafe has gotten the better of EJ plenty and at least when Rafe and Lucas fight they actually fight EJ while EJ hires others to do his dirty work. But yeah as currently written Sami is not worthy of having anyone fight over her.
that is exactly my point. rafe getting the better of ej in every fight is unbelievable and absurd. ej is supposed to be this dangerous criminal bad ass with unlimited power and yet any loser can walk to him and beat the shit out of him without him getting a punch in. please!!!! it makes no sense. it is stupid contrived writing. there is no way a loser like rafe could beat ej up every single time while ej can not even hit him once. if they wanted to make it a little believable, they would make the fight a little more balanced. i get what they do it though. it is to give his haters something to cheer about. EJ is written as not wanting to get his hands dirty so he hires help, later on. Rafe when first introduced was FBI so I hardly call that loserish. If they had EJ actually fighting a fair fight instead of getting help later on I could take him more seriously and actually Rafe only punched EJ really after the R2 debacle and recently after the EJ and Sami boink was revealed. So IMO he had every right to do so because EJ was intentionally screwing with his life. When I said that Rafe would get the better of EJ I did not specifically mean just physically but also getting the upper hand in exposing his schemes to Sami. So Rafe using his FBI training has more so gotten the better of EJ that way. All in all though these characters have their roles and they play them well. So the same merry go rounds are likely to continue. Though I hope the PTB will be more creative than characters not having to face consequences for their actions while all of Salem works to no avail to put EJ and or Stefano away. Only to not achieve that time and again. It gets tiresome to watch.
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I actually think MarDar have been the most consistent with EJ's character. Under them, he's a guy who does some bad stuff (framing John, blackmailing Will, etc.), but who is shown to have a heart for those he loves (his dad, Lexie, his kids, his ex-wives). He's been more "gray" and less black-white-black-white than he was under GT/DH.
I don't think they've been consistent with him at all. MarDar managed to write EJ at his best (pre-reset rewrites) and IMO at his worst (what's currently airing). He was somewhere bouncing around in between those two incarnations from about October-March. I think I prefer him evil and dumb as opposed to this wishy washy mess currently airing. Keyword is "think", lol. I don't disagree that MarDar hasn't written EJ that well, but I think their characterization of him has been as consistent of a characterization that we've had of him since 2006-2007.
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I actually think MarDar have been the most consistent with EJ's character. Under them, he's a guy who does some bad stuff (framing John, blackmailing Will, etc.), but who is shown to have a heart for those he loves (his dad, Lexie, his kids, his ex-wives). He's been more "gray" and less black-white-black-white than he was under GT/DH.
I don't think they've been consistent with him at all. MarDar managed to write EJ at his best (pre-reset rewrites) and IMO at his worst (what's currently airing). He was somewhere bouncing around in between those two incarnations from about October-March. I think I prefer him evil and dumb as opposed to this wishy washy mess currently airing. Keyword is "think", lol.
I don't disagree that MarDar hasn't written EJ that well, but I think their characterization of him has been as consistent of a characterization that we've had of him since 2006-2007. I have a hard time using the word "consistent" in conjunction with anything MarDar have done, lol. Characterizations during their individual story arcs are generally relatively consistent, but those only last three months at a time, then we get slammed with a new characterization.
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Are we really supposed to watch this show and be mad at Lucas for wanting this man away from his family? Because that's not going to happen. Ej is doing the same thing he did when he came to town and trying to embed himself into Lucas family.
Lucas is the one being obsessed with EJ. EJ's not ordering Lucas away from Sydney and Johnny or spending all his scenes discussing Lucas. Lucas came to town on a telling Sami she still has feelings for him speech. Now he's on the ordering Sami to stay away from him speech along with trying to order Will around. Both of whom are adults with minds of their own. Every conversation Lucas has to anyone revolves around EJ. They're also showing Lucas in the wrong, Will & Sami are right and EJ's innocent.
The problem is I could give two rats tails that EJ is innocent. So this storyline does not interest me. Lucas is obsessed with EJ because this mf'er is all around lucas family all the time and Lucas has a problem with it? What sane person wouldn't have a problem with it? This show is shit. They have taken a family we've seen grow before our eyes for two decades and turned them into a tool crammed under EJ to prop this character up. If you are going to have Lucas entire family turn on him then it has to make sense. Will doesn't get a star for degrading the only man who had his back for years. Neither does Sami. Making it all about EJ is making it shit. lol, how is ej all around lucas' children? did i miss a scene with ej and allie? i wish there was as i love ejallie. will chooses to be around ej and he is not a kid anymore. as parents, we don't always like the people our kids get involved with but we have to live with that. as for sami, lucas does not own her. they are even in a real relationship. he is just keeping sami's bed warm because she is lonely (in ej's apartment no less).
maybe his family would have a little more respect and loyalty for him if he had not abandoned them to go to china when they needed him. if his family is falling apart, it is his own fault. he was not there for them for the past few years.
i don't think his family is turning on him just because they are supporting ej. will believes ej is innocent. guess what? he IS. ejami have been getting closer for a while. they are a family as much as lumi is. i see nothing wrong with sami standing by ej. i say it is bout damn time.
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Yeah because EJ has never obssessed over Sami? Please. Hes obssessed over her so much to make himself feel better he needed to eliminate the competition by putting fakes in her bed and locking people in freezer trucks while stalking her at every turn. When Rafe or Lucas do any of that is when I would call them obsessed. EJ just never could stand to lose and he ALWAYS came in last and acted rather pathetic trying to regain control and Lucas was saying all that shit recently because MarDar were going with EJAMI but now all bets are off.
The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006. Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ. EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy. As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing. They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.
I agree with you. How is Sami standing by E.J., the father of 2 of her kids, turning on Lucas? This has nothing to do with Lucas. If the roles were reversed and Lucas was in trouble, I'd expect Sami to stand by him too. Sami has a family with E.J., just like with Lucas. Yet, Lucas is always acting as if only him and their kids matter! Does Lucas have any proof that E.J. is guilty? Nope. And even if he did, Sami can still stand by E.J. seing how she doesn't care about who killed Stefano. He can't get Sami and Will away from E.J., so he wants him in jail or losing DiMera Enterprises? By the same measure does Sami have proof that he's innocent?? I'd say Lucas' suspicions are valid because EJ failed the lie detector test. What is she basing her declaration of innocence on? A hunch?? I'd say at least Lucas has reason to doubt and yeah I don't care if his his son is an adult Lucas doesn't want will involved with EJ at all much less when this is going down around him. Oh and let's remember, we might see him as innocent now but Stefano's alive right??
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EJ to Sami: What? That we have this connection together, Samantha? Body and soul. It's forever. That's the truth of the matter.
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The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006. Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ. EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy. As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing. They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.
I agree with you. How is Sami standing by E.J., the father of 2 of her kids, turning on Lucas? This has nothing to do with Lucas. If the roles were reversed and Lucas was in trouble, I'd expect Sami to stand by him too. Sami has a family with E.J., just like with Lucas. Yet, Lucas is always acting as if only him and their kids matter! Does Lucas have any proof that E.J. is guilty? Nope. And even if he did, Sami can still stand by E.J. seing how she doesn't care about who killed Stefano. He can't get Sami and Will away from E.J., so he wants him in jail or losing DiMera Enterprises?
By the same measure does Sami have proof that he's innocent?? I'd say Lucas' suspicions are valid because EJ failed the lie detector test. What is she basing her declaration of innocence on? A hunch?? I'd say at least Lucas has reason to doubt and yeah I don't care if his his son is an adult Lucas doesn't want will involved with EJ at all much less when this is going down around him. Oh and let's remember, we might see him as innocent now but Stefano's alive right??
Whether E.J. killed Stefano or not is none of Lucas' bizz. Just like whether Sami believes E.J. or not. His own son shot E.J. who is he to judge? Should E.J. then tell Sami to keep Will away from his kids?
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The comment was about EJ embedding himself into Lucas's family, which I pointed out wasn't the case. I'm dealing with present not 2006. Right now, Lucas does nothing but obsess over EJ. Every scene, every conversation is EJ-EJ-EJ. EJ has 2 kids with Sami, Lucas has 2 kids with Sami, one of which is shown wanting to spend all his time with EJ. They share a blended family. EJ's not the one barking orders to Lucas to stay away from Johnny or Sydney. Lucas has no right to order Sami what to do or who to believe is innocent or guility. Sami's an adult who can make up her own minds on people. Just like Will is an adult and if he wants to work for EJ, then that's his choice. Lucas is the one in for the fall here and all for what? Because of pety EJ jealousy. As for bets, it doesn't matter what any of the old, new or future (If GH's cancelled and DAYS is still on air, lets see how fast before NBC scoops up those writers) writers want. They're puppets on a string and not in charge. Read MA's comments. Read MarDar's own comments. Read PR's comments. Fanbases can claim this is coming, that is coming, or that's done because we got new writers. Fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what either fanbase wants or claim based on their own wishes, it's up to what TPTB want and they are the ones controlling what the writers are writing. They controlled with MarDar, they'll controll with TomSell. Anyone who doesn't get that are in for a let down.
I agree with you. How is Sami standing by E.J., the father of 2 of her kids, turning on Lucas? This has nothing to do with Lucas. If the roles were reversed and Lucas was in trouble, I'd expect Sami to stand by him too. Sami has a family with E.J., just like with Lucas. Yet, Lucas is always acting as if only him and their kids matter! Does Lucas have any proof that E.J. is guilty? Nope. And even if he did, Sami can still stand by E.J. seing how she doesn't care about who killed Stefano. He can't get Sami and Will away from E.J., so he wants him in jail or losing DiMera Enterprises?
By the same measure does Sami have proof that he's innocent?? I'd say Lucas' suspicions are valid because EJ failed the lie detector test. What is she basing her declaration of innocence on? A hunch?? I'd say at least Lucas has reason to doubt and yeah I don't care if his his son is an adult Lucas doesn't want will involved with EJ at all much less when this is going down around him. Oh and let's remember, we might see him as innocent now but Stefano's alive right?? No LL, she is basing it on the fact that "EJ has stood by her" :eyeroll: And the fact that she knows what its like to be framed didn't you know? :sarcasm: :censored:
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