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Spoilers for the week of July 16th; *updated 7/13*
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Topic Started: Jul 5 2012, 03:11 PM (59,366 Views)
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UltimateScami
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Jul 10 2012, 02:53 PM
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Well I'm looking forward to the second half of this week. I hope Gabi doesn't get away with faking prisoner. Thank goodness Abi is catching on.
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Jul 10 2012, 02:56 PM
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- Helpless Romantic
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Thus why "modern soap" is in the ratings toilet and has resulted in 5 cancellations.
It's a problem because in Days case, it's the result of a lack of direction behind the scenes, but people eat this kind of stuff up in Primetime. It just has to be well written.
I think its indecisiveness and poor contrived story telling especially where Sami and her endless men saga are concerned. They refuse to pick someone for her, so every few years they add yet another guy to her collection. Only to start the same tierd process again at a later date. I agree, but it's not just Sami. Nicole's on her way to getting a third, too. Brady has had three women and so has EJ etc. There are other shows that have juggled one character having a few potential matches for years. The issue comes when that's the only thing the characters have going on. This show would be a lot better if the business storylines were actual storylines and if their idea of drama didn't cycle between babies and triangles.
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JoeBucs32
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Jul 10 2012, 03:00 PM
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Okay -- so there are surveillance tapes of EJ putting his gloves into a dumpster -- but there are no surveillance tapes from the night of the murder at DiMansion, which supposedly has the best surveillance/security system around? STUPID!!!
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Mitchapalooza
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Jul 10 2012, 03:01 PM
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^ My face watching DAYS
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- Jul 10 2012, 02:51 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepWhat's an epic fail is EJ 's hair in your banner.
I know you are a guy, but what male actors on the show would you prefer to be leads. I'm being serious.
John, Lucas, Will....EJ (with MUCH improved writing). anyday over Rafe/Daniel & EJ (currently being written) Shawn/Philip should be the male leads right now honestly...same goes for Eric...but all of those characters are off screen. Brady should be a male lead, but Eric Martsolf is WAY to weak of an actor to be in that role. Oh and Jack & Bo should still be around, LEADING story...fire those fucking hacks Galen and Shawn and give that cash to deserving actors who are at LEAST capable or believable in their acting. LEGACY characters should be leading story, not washed up/useless Dena creations (Rafe & Daniel)
And this is why so many of us here differ. I have already SEEN every lead story there is to tell about John and Bo. I love these two, I do, but they have had their leading man days. Back in my day, my leading men were Bo, John, Steve, Shane and Jack. But they had their time and this is why we get the next generations (or new men to take their places) to lead the show. I look at all these actors now as supporting. Which is fine, or would be if their supporting stories were better, made sense, consistent, etc. Shawn, Philip and Eric should be leads, I agree, but they are not here, and rather not recast, AGAIN, they remain off-screen (for the moment). But not every character HAS to be tied to legacy characters. That gets incestuous and tedious, so I see why they brought in new blood, ie. Rafe and Daniel. I don't think Rafe/Daniel or EJ are bad leads for the show or bad actors (overall). It's the writing that has not been consistent and the stories that have stunk in general. Can you imagine subbing in Steve and Kayla for Nicole and Daniel right now? Of course you can't. No actors could make this horrible writing work. It's a credit to the actors themselves that ALL OF US haven't left yet. I see your point for sure on the Jack/Bo/John/Steve having "had their time as male leads" and yes I agree with that...but that doesn't mean we need ot be suffering through it with the shitty leads the show is currently trying to force.
There is no denying that Daniel CLEARLY has not worked and is never going to...is it bad writing? Yes it is...and I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the acting ( :unsure: ).
I don't think every leading character should be a legacy character and I am not against new blood...but it seems this show just cannot get it right when it comes to creating complex and interesting new male characters on this show (and the casting has been ALL wrong!). EJ, arguably, is the last introduced male character that is at least acceptable...and 80% of that is because of the casting decision made there.
Recasting Philip/Shawn or working hard to get the previous actors back would IMO be a step in the right direction....just like this GV hiring for Eric (if that is in fact who he is playing).
Eric SHOULD be in Salem, leading story...this should have been a natural choice for this show to bring in...MAYBE the show is turning a corner...I don't know....or maybe not since GG and SC are both still employed.
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Jul 10 2012, 03:02 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepWhat's an epic fail is EJ 's hair in your banner.
I know you are a guy, but what male actors on the show would you prefer to be leads. I'm being serious.
John, Lucas, Will....EJ (with MUCH improved writing). anyday over Rafe/Daniel & EJ (currently being written) Shawn/Philip should be the male leads right now honestly...same goes for Eric...but all of those characters are off screen. Brady should be a male lead, but Eric Martsolf is WAY to weak of an actor to be in that role. Oh and Jack & Bo should still be around, LEADING story...fire those fucking hacks Galen and Shawn and give that cash to deserving actors who are at LEAST capable or believable in their acting. LEGACY characters should be leading story, not washed up/useless Dena creations (Rafe & Daniel)
And this is why so many of us here differ. I have already SEEN every lead story there is to tell about John and Bo. I love these two, I do, but they have had their leading man days. Back in my day, my leading men were Bo, John, Steve, Shane and Jack. But they had their time and this is why we get the next generations (or new men to take their places) to lead the show. I look at all these actors now as supporting. Which is fine, or would be if their supporting stories were better, made sense, consistent, etc. Shawn, Philip and Eric should be leads, I agree, but they are not here, and rather not recast, AGAIN, they remain off-screen (for the moment). But not every character HAS to be tied to legacy characters. That gets incestuous and tedious, so I see why they brought in new blood, ie. Rafe and Daniel. I don't think Rafe/Daniel or EJ are bad leads for the show or bad actors (overall). It's the writing that has not been consistent and the stories that have stunk in general. Can you imagine subbing in Steve and Kayla for Nicole and Daniel right now? Of course you can't. No actors could make this horrible writing work. It's a credit to the actors themselves that ALL OF US haven't left yet. so much this.......
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Jul 10 2012, 03:03 PM
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I wonder what Sami will do when she learns EJ is not a Dimera.......so glad that she is the one leading his defense finding evidence showing he is innocent :wub: :wub:
ohhh this set up to the last week before the break sounds so damn good...... :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
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emma mia
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Jul 10 2012, 03:05 PM
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- Jul 10 2012, 03:00 PM
Okay -- so there are surveillance tapes of EJ putting his gloves into a dumpster -- but there are no surveillance tapes from the night of the murder at DiMansion, which supposedly has the best surveillance/security system around? STUPID!!! lmao so true.......Dimera security has been a joke for years.......remember Stephano's is not the first murder/attempted murder we have had at the house and no evidence on the perpetrator :lol:
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Jul 10 2012, 03:08 PM
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Wait. So did Ian actually shoot Stefano? Or is he just trying to frame EJ even though he doesn't know who the shooter is?
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Jul 10 2012, 03:13 PM
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I knew it was Ian... that snake! Ejami scenes sound awesome!! So excited for those:)
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Jul 10 2012, 03:20 PM
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Okay -- so there are surveillance tapes of EJ putting his gloves into a dumpster -- but there are no surveillance tapes from the night of the murder at DiMansion, which supposedly has the best surveillance/security system around? STUPID!!!
When I Read that I just busted out laughing. This storyline is a complete bust.
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Jul 10 2012, 03:40 PM
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I think it's the beginning of unraveling whatever the hell those secrets were about...and frankly a way to undo all the crap that MarDar did.
Speaking as a J&J fan, I sincerely wish the "destruction of Jennifer" and the "Jack taking whatever shit she dished out to him" that MarDar did to my fav couple could be undone.
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Jul 10 2012, 04:17 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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http://soaps.sheknows.com/daysofourlives/spoilers/Week of July 16: Monday July 16: EJ takes the offensive as the police find the black gloves in his apartment that he threw away in the bin at the pier. Lucas makes it clear he doesn't want his kids around EJ. EJ's gloves test positive for gunshot residue. Ian recalls details he has gone through in order to frame EJ for Stefano's murder. Chad breaks a window at Andrew's place as Gabi hides. The police arrive and threaten to restrain Chad for potentially compromising the police investigation. Ian finds the envelope Kate's been hiding which holds Stefano's will and other estate papers. Tuesday July 17: After Carrie sees Rafe feeling Nicole's baby kick, she makes a drastic decision to go back to Switzerland with Austin. The police assume Gabi was being held captive at Andrew's. Family and friends of Melanie start hanging posters, looking for news related to her disappearance. Melanie wakes up in the tunnels under Salem. Wednesday July 18: Will accidentally drops the envelope containing news that EJ is not Stefano's son. Lucas pockets it. John figures he's got his ticket to the DiMera empire inside Alice's envelope. Abe plans a tribute for Lexi, a fundraiser for Autism research. EJ and Sami find themselves alone with an abundance of sexual tension in the air. Sami believes EJ is not guilty. Nicole fights her conflict over having feelings for Rafe and Daniel. Daniel walks out on Nicole. Thursday July 19: EJ is surprised when Sami shows him an idea she hopes that can clear him. EJ takes Sami's help as a sign of what is between them. Sami's overwhelmed by desire when EJ pulls her to him. Will is frantic after realizing he has lost Alice's letter. John confronts Ian over Brady's relapse. Kate is wary of Ian's interest in DiMera Enterprises. Rafe takes the news of Carrie's return to Switzerland hard. Friday July 20: EJ and Sami bond as they find something on video footage that could clear EJ. EJ is placed under arrest. Rafe learns EJ's not Stefano's son. Gabi almost confesses to Chad. Bo and Hope identify the kidnapper as a patient of a mental institute. Melanie uses Andrew's feelings for her to her advantage. Debris falls on to Melanie as she smells gas... Sami knows that she cannot contain her desire to rip Ej clothes off, MAKE IT HAPPEN :D
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Jul 10 2012, 04:41 PM
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So do you think that EJ will retaliate against Will for revealing yet another of his secrets?
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Jul 10 2012, 04:42 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Jul 10 2012, 04:41 PM
So do you think that EJ will retaliate against Will for revealing yet another of his secrets? Is this directed to me or in general? If to me, I don't think so.
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Jul 10 2012, 04:44 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- Jul 10 2012, 04:41 PM
So do you think that EJ will retaliate against Will for revealing yet another of his secrets? i can't imagine that he'd do that because frankly if it wasn't for his own dumbness, Will would have never gotten the letter to begin with....Ej couldn't keep it a secret and apparently Will is learning how to do everything from EJ...he should have spoken to his grandma Kate or his dad on how to properly keep secrets, lol.
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Jul 10 2012, 04:44 PM
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Agreed...the show is just in need of a SOLID villain. A true major villain....
The closest we have to a villain right now is freaking Andrew the stalker...thats ridiculous!
How can a soap opera be successful without some truly, fucked-in-the-head bad guys. "This town needs a better class of criminal"
Enter Kristin DiMera
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Jul 10 2012, 04:45 PM
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Who says they are writing EJ as a hero?
And villains are allowed to have romance.
They write him as a victim which is just as bad to try and elicit sympathy for him. Victor Newman proves you can write a villain as a lead consistantly with no need to portray him as poor poor weak Victor to gain sympathy. The audience loves him and still does. Granted the writing for him the past few years has suffered and its been tiring at times, but Victor Newman has never needed to be written as a victim to elicit sympathy. As a result we never see him weak or needy either. But he also has had a consistant love of his life which helps portray him more empathetically and not a viper like Sami is, a woman with a genuine and kind heart, Nikki. With any luck maybe EJ will get his own "Nikki" and then concentrate on becoming a Victor Newman type villain rather than rearranging chairs on the titanic.
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Jul 10 2012, 04:45 PM
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So when is the week Tomlin's stuff begin to air?? Im unsure...
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Jul 10 2012, 04:51 PM
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Who says they are writing EJ as a hero?
And villains are allowed to have romance.
They write him as a victim which is just as bad to try and elicit sympathy for him. Victor Newman proves you can write a villain as a lead consistantly with no need to portray him as poor poor weak Victor to gain sympathy. The audience loves him and still does. Granted the writing for him the past few years has suffered and its been tiring at times, but Victor Newman has never needed to be written as a victim to elicit sympathy. As a result we never see him weak or needy either. But he also has had a consistant love of his life which helps portray him more empathetically and not a viper like Sami is, a woman with a genuine and kind heart, Nikki.
With any luck maybe EJ will get his own "Nikki" and then concentrate on becoming a Victor Newman type villain rather than rearranging chairs on the titanic. heehee, he did have his Nikki but he screwed that up too. :P so now we're left with Dikki. lol
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Jul 10 2012, 04:51 PM
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Who says they are writing EJ as a hero?
And villains are allowed to have romance.
The hero role is someone who has all the odds against them but they have truth and right on their side and they will prevail and be cheered and his enemies will be defeated. That's the role they've given EJ. Eve adding the few faithful, will and Sami, who will stand by his side like he's Robin Hood. This is not about romance. This is about a storyline that has been given to a character who is not equipped for it just because they give nearly every storyline to this character. But why do the writers favour this character?
You would think it would be in the interest of the show to spread the love around.
There has to be a reason for them to want to give nearly every storyline to this character.
Maybe its because this is the character that they see gets them the most positive feedback.
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