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Spoilers for the week of July 16th; *updated 7/13*
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Topic Started: Jul 5 2012, 03:11 PM (59,361 Views)
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Jul 11 2012, 11:15 AM
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As I said she is not the only one portrayed as a slut but it was Sami and EJ that started the whole mess with their boink back in November so who Nicole sleeps with or Rafe for that matter is none of their busniess
What anyone is doing is none of anyone elses business. A slut for the reasons you gave should be a slut, doesn't matter whose business it is and they get a free pass because they didn't sleep around first. Sleeping around, is sleeping around.
My point was that Nicole's actions could be more easily suympathized than Sami's even taking out her reasoning now for the November boink which was because she was so "grief stricken". What her excuse for her behaviour now? Lucas is treating her the best he ever has and Rafe is no longer angry yet she is still being a flake? Why.. she has no reason too and if its because shes torn or whatever BS then she needs to be alone until she figures it out. Nicole isn't definitively with anyone but Sami re commited herself to Lucas and didn't take the out he gave her which makes her look even worse IMO. But thatsd typical Sami. Sympathized? She's pregnant, it makes it more gross. She's pregnant with one man's baby, married to one man, sleeping with her doctor, and has feelings for the guy she has portraying her baby's daddy along with the doctor. If Sami's a slut, then Nicole's not a sympathetic flower who can't be called out on her actions because of the grief sex (they thought Johnny was dead, may be they should get sympathized and free passed for their actions?). Which I think occurred at a time that she wasn't even with EJ, wasn't it?
A slut's a slut. A poor me woe need to pay for my schooling sob story doesn't make a prostitute any less a prostitute.
Isn't with anyone? Being a slut is dependent on who you're with and if you're with someone? If someone sleeps with someone else everyday of the week and isn't with anyone, doesn't make them any less a slut.
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SocRMum1
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Jul 11 2012, 11:16 AM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- Helpless Romantic
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As I said she is not the only one portrayed as a slut but it was Sami and EJ that started the whole mess with their boink back in November so who Nicole sleeps with or Rafe for that matter is none of their busniess as it was the two of them that checked out of their marriages and actually engaged in grunt fuck madness. While she demanded Rafe bring back her son and was down right nasty to him. He may have developed feelings for Carrie but it was her shutting him out that contributed to it even kicking him out when he wanted to work on things because of her guilt. I disagree that he moved across the hall soley for "the kids" it had everything to do with Sami more so than the kids who are hardly seen and only brought on to serve a plot point ie Johnny demanding that EJAMI dance. So Nicole's actions are out of hurt and Sami's because she wants her cake and to eat it too.
The original point that I responded to was your assertion that TPTB are driving home the point that "Sami is a slut". I still don't see it. Grief sex was months ago - and she's shared one kiss with EJ since then. Her actions with Lucas are what they are - and while I agree she moved on pretty quickly after the break up with Rafe, I'm just not seeing anything slutty in what she's done to this point. As Brazen pointed out earlier - there are several other characters on the show right now that are juggling potential love interests - Sami certainly isn't the only one. And in her case, the interactions with potential other interests has been extremely tame.
With that statement I was being tounge in cheek. Okay - sorry I misunderstood.
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Jul 11 2012, 11:19 AM
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- brazen
- Jul 11 2012, 11:15 AM
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As I said she is not the only one portrayed as a slut but it was Sami and EJ that started the whole mess with their boink back in November so who Nicole sleeps with or Rafe for that matter is none of their busniess
What anyone is doing is none of anyone elses business. A slut for the reasons you gave should be a slut, doesn't matter whose business it is and they get a free pass because they didn't sleep around first. Sleeping around, is sleeping around.
My point was that Nicole's actions could be more easily suympathized than Sami's even taking out her reasoning now for the November boink which was because she was so "grief stricken". What her excuse for her behaviour now? Lucas is treating her the best he ever has and Rafe is no longer angry yet she is still being a flake? Why.. she has no reason too and if its because shes torn or whatever BS then she needs to be alone until she figures it out. Nicole isn't definitively with anyone but Sami re commited herself to Lucas and didn't take the out he gave her which makes her look even worse IMO. But thatsd typical Sami.
Sympathized? She's pregnant, it makes it more gross. She's pregnant with one man's baby, married to one man, sleeping with her doctor, and has feelings for the guy she has portraying her baby's daddy along with the doctor. If Sami's a slut, then Nicole's not a sympathetic flower who can't be called out on her actions because of the grief sex (they thought Johnny was dead, may be they should get sympathized and free passed for their actions?). Which I think occurred at a time that she wasn't even with EJ, wasn't it? A slut's a slut. A poor me woe need to pay for my schooling sob story doesn't make a prostitute any less a prostitute. Isn't with anyone? Being a slut is dependent on who you're with and if you're with someone? If someone sleeps with someone else everyday of the week and isn't with anyone, doesn't make them any less a slut. I never denied that what Nicole is doing isn't gross however for the reasons I stated is why I think what Sami is doing is more disgusting because shes down right lying to Lucas about being on the same page while she refuses to take the outs he gave her and keeps stringing him along and yes Nicoles actions IMO can be more sympathetic than Sami's at present who has no reason to mistreat Lucas the way she is and lead him on the way she is. Johnny has been long since discovered to be fine and well while Nicole is still reeling from the hurt of what EJ did. If Nicole was definitively commiting to either Tan or Rafe I would agree with you. However she and Rafe are just friends and she and Dan are just starting out. So there has been no talk of commitment like there was with LUMI .
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Jul 11 2012, 11:31 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Jul 11 2012, 01:44 AM
Friday ("The Arrest") Lucas is furious when he finds Sami with EJ; Melanie tries to manipulate Andrew. Is he really that surprised or even mad? He can;t get Sami to stay from Ej, if he tried.
Give it up Lucas, you won't compare. ;)
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Jul 11 2012, 11:37 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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I really don't want to sit here and endure Lucas screaming, he is such a Chihuahua
Lucashuahua, that's his new name.
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Jul 11 2012, 11:39 AM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- Jul 11 2012, 11:01 AM
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- Jul 11 2012, 10:23 AM
I really, really don't think MarDar wanted to put Lumi together....I mean, NOT really, hence the writing they have been getting, contrasted with the Ejami writing. Lumi was a foil.
See, I'm not sure I agree, here's why. I don't think MarDar wrote the grudgesex as something positive or endearing for EJ & Sami. Otherwise, they would've had them think back to the act, look at each other longingly, etc. They barely spoke after the event. NEVER acted like they were longing for one another, they basically wanted to forget it happened. I think MarDar wrote the grudgesex to end Safe & bring in Lucas for Sami, but that is just my opinion. I think around March something happened, and the direction of the story changed. I don't know if that was MarDar's decision, Corday's or NBC. Something with the direction changed then & it seems to have stayed that way until we heard about MarDar's outster at which time we also heard about CC, PM, MA, & SB leaving. We're still waiting to see what those changes are going to be. Anywho, that's all just my opinion, for what it's worth.
I bolded something in your post....around March something changed....when did Lucas return? March 1 he was back in Salem, 3 weeks after Sami was already living in Ej's apartment, the kiss that Ej gave her happened shortly after that.....I am convinced that MarDar were not responsible or wanted to bring Lucas back, he was brought back to be a foil for Ejami, whether that was the plan by NBC/Corday or whomever I don't know and if MarDar did bring him back it was only to push him into a story with Ejami, not that it's needed but it is what it is.....I don't know why they did it, it makes no sense....Rafe could have been the foil if they wanted someone to play that role. Whatever, I'm at a point that I really don't care, if they go with Ejami, so be it, I won't watch that shit and my interest in Days will be solely for Lucas scenes at that point. If the story shifts away from Ejami by September my interest for the show might go up. If they continue to write Lucas this badly it's a shame, but I've come to accept that this show will be history in less than 3 years so I can't get any more invested in what happens for it's future. As it is now I feel I watch out of habit, not for my enjoyment, so whatever.
You really think they just brought him in to be the shumuck? They could've used Rafe, he's the perfect shumuck. Surely that wasn't their plan......but hey, I've got no real idea only my feelings. I'm all for Ejami, you all know that, but I don't see the point of using Lucas as the Shouty McShouterston role once again. I'm beginning to think that was exactly what they ended up doing simply because it really wasn't in their plan to bring the character back. They wrote his return, probably came up with the Autumn idea to play as a bit of drama for Sami to react to in the beginning, but I have to think that it was more forced on them and not their decision. whomever wanted him back that is and I can't think that it was MarDar's decision at this point.......just like Jack...Jack's decision wasn't 'forced' on them but the announcement of Jack came on the same day that DH was canned. Do they fire the actor right after they hired him? Nah. So that decision was already made, MarDar were just 'forced' to write for the character, they didn't WANT to write for him, so we got what we got and maybe the initial idea for the PTSD was even Tomlin/Dena, they just ran with that outline for a while but about 3 months into it (just around the time that Dena's outlines would have been officially gone, there went Jack's story). You see MarDar brought back Jarlena and Caustin and as much as we criticized the writing for both couples we can't say they weren't written FOR. Jack and Lucas' situation is similar that is why I'm convinced that it wasn't in their plans to bring back either character. I also think that in their infinite wisdom their plan was a long term Ejami pairing, right from the start, but the show likely had issues with going with them full steam ahead and gave them an out...write something dramatic, breakup Safe and then let's wait on the feedback for Ejami...in the interim we bring Lucas back in the event the feedback isn't what we want it to be, that way we have something else if we can't do Ejami and we've shot down Safe for now so we can't go back to them in the immediate future. If that was there plan fine...but give Lucas options from the start and I think they were going to do that with Autumn....why not bring her to Salem when Sami cancelled his plane ticket....that TO ME would have been the perfect time.....have Lucas say, "Okay...I'm going to stay for the kids mainly and because Will seems really fucked up now and I won't leave because I need to be here for him, but the days of being your whipping boy are over Sami.....I have a life in HK and if I don't go back she and my life are going to come here....enter Autumn and even his business....why did he have to work for Sami? We never even see it anyway....CW that is....first mention was yesterday in about 2 months...and they weren't even in the office...." so you get my idea, right? That would be writing for Lucas...not writing for Sami 'with' Lucas until we need to start a stupid triangle AGAIN,
On Lucas' shouty role...I'm not sure what reaction one would expect from Lucas at this point. He's poured his heart out to Sami and sure he's told her that she had unresolved feelings for EJ and he was quickly on his way back to HK to live his life there and Sami pulled a fast one, cancelled his plane ticket and all and then professed her love to him. I guess that somehow solified to him that she wanted him. In yesterday's episode he wanted to clarify what their relationship was about and apparently they HAVE talked about the friends with benefits and they both agreed it's not that, it's more than that....and she told him yesterday as such. If now she goes around Ej and not just there for a kid exchange or to help him if the kids are sick or having something to do with that or her job...it's to PROVE EJ'S INNOCENCE and sure he's innocent but Lucas doesn't know that and his history would the guy alone would make him doubt that then it's valid....magnify that with him seeing Will involved too it adds to his distress obviously...he KNOWS Ej blackmailed Will AGAIN after he bailed him out...he has his reasons for being pissed.....we'll have to see how the scenes play out.....there is a physical fight next week so I don't expect him not to get upset....but then again, when Ej gets upset I also find it more funny than anything else. SO I get where you are coming from....
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Jul 11 2012, 11:42 AM
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Friday ("The Arrest") Lucas is furious when he finds Sami with EJ; Melanie tries to manipulate Andrew.
Shouty McShouterston in da house!!! I'm guessing his scowl will be EPIC in these scenes. Is this when Ejucas fight or do they do that before this spoiler? Seems like I've read that Lucas catches Sami with EJ in more than one spoiler.
I think there are three different Ejucas/Sami confrontations. On Thursday, Lucas finds Ejami together and assumes they are hooking up. On Monday, Lumi hears EJ yelling at the police about the planted gloves from his apartment, so they rush over and there's an Ejucas fight. And then next Friday, Lucas apparently sees Ejami together again. I feel like the writers are subtlely trying to tell us something.
Now, next Friday is the spoiler where EJ & Sami "acknowledge" the sexual tension? Then Lucas catches them together & is furious...hmmm.... Makes you wonder what he discovers.... EJ having a pickle in his pocket or his pickle in Sami's glittery pocket..... I'll take Sami's glittery pocket for 500, Alex.
Nevermind.
Looks like EJ is about to. ;)
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Jul 11 2012, 11:46 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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I really, really don't think MarDar wanted to put Lumi together....I mean, NOT really, hence the writing they have been getting, contrasted with the Ejami writing. Lumi was a foil.
I'm not sure, when Lucas first came he was written better. He was smarter written. He had scenes with Kate even. Then someone flipped the switch, he lost all his smarts and all he does is order people to stay away from EJ and scowl over him to everyone while looking like an idiot for Sami. I knew it was only a matter of time before he started barking against Ejami hanging out. I wish that the writer knew what they were doing when they bought back Bryan. This is one of the reasons why I never bought Autumn, it just seemed like she was used as an excuse to make Sami jealous. It seems pretty stupid how he was just so in love with her, then BAM, "I am still in love with you Sami." Well godly you just broke off an engagement, now you are so quick to jump on Sami? It does not matter how much you loved her, I will rather him come back professing his love for Sami,then to say "I am engaged." And less than two weeks him and Sami are kissing like sharks.
I know that Lucas is not a fan of Ej vice versa but I will prefer him to come back with another love interest. I love Lumi as friends, as well as associates but when it comes to them dating...I'll pass.. Lucas only agenda is to keep Sami away from Ej, he tried to do that before but never worked. I happen to think it hysterical how he just assumes they are not only together but sleeping together, that is a pretty much bold assumption. Then again if he has to assume something that big,he obviously knows how big Ejami attraction is.
Bryan deserves better, I always thought he worked well with Arianna and I was trying to like him when he returned...Now he is at it again * BARK BARK BARK* All I hear is a Chihuahua
Luchihuahua :facepalm:
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Jul 11 2012, 11:48 AM
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- Jul 11 2012, 10:25 AM
I never said Sami is the only slut ;) But she is the only slut who threw herself in another relationship doomed to fail while married to one man and panting after another.
Actually...she's not. There is another character on the canvas that is doing exactly that. The spoilers indicate that next week she'll be torn between her feelings for Daniel and Rafe. As for Sami's interactions with EJ - I get that Lucas hates him. But Lucas also knows that they (he and Sami) are living in an apartment that EJ is providing so that he can spend more time with his kids. To expect Sami will have zero interaction with EJ isn't feasible. And why wouldn't she work to make sure the father of her kids isn't convicted of a crime he didn't commit? Thus far, I've seen Sami and EJ kiss once - a couple of months ago when EJ initiated it to 'prove a point'. Trust me, my EJami lovin' heart would be quite happy to see Sami playing tonsil hockey with EJ - but thus far, it ain't happening. :shrug:
As I said she is not the only one portrayed as a slut but it was Sami and EJ that started the whole mess with their boink back in November so who Nicole sleeps with or Rafe for that matter is none of their busniess as it was the two of them that checked out of their marriages and actually engaged in grunt fuck madness. While she demanded Rafe bring back her son and was down right nasty to him. He may have developed feelings for Carrie but it was her shutting him out that contributed to it even kicking him out when he wanted to work on things because of her guilt. I disagree that he moved across the hall soley for "the kids" it had everything to do with Sami more so than the kids who are hardly seen and only brought on to serve a plot point ie Johnny demanding that EJAMI dance. So Nicole's actions are out of hurt and Sami's because she wants her cake and to eat it too.
The good thing about Ejole's last conversation was that Nicole did not bristle at all about EJ's claims that he moved across from Sami for the "kids". I loved that Nicole was not shown as caring one bit and not falling for his lies at all. Thats what makes EJOLE so great because Nicole is his equal in every way while Sami is a dumbass around EJ who EJ always pulls one over on her but I actually root for him to do so. When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
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Jul 11 2012, 12:01 PM
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As I said she is not the only one portrayed as a slut but it was Sami and EJ that started the whole mess with their boink back in November so who Nicole sleeps with or Rafe for that matter is none of their busniess as it was the two of them that checked out of their marriages and actually engaged in grunt fuck madness. While she demanded Rafe bring back her son and was down right nasty to him. He may have developed feelings for Carrie but it was her shutting him out that contributed to it even kicking him out when he wanted to work on things because of her guilt. I disagree that he moved across the hall soley for "the kids" it had everything to do with Sami more so than the kids who are hardly seen and only brought on to serve a plot point ie Johnny demanding that EJAMI dance. So Nicole's actions are out of hurt and Sami's because she wants her cake and to eat it too.
The good thing about Ejole's last conversation was that Nicole did not bristle at all about EJ's claims that he moved across from Sami for the "kids". I loved that Nicole was not shown as caring one bit and not falling for his lies at all.
Thats what makes EJOLE so great because Nicole is his equal in every way while Sami is a dumbass around EJ who EJ always pulls one over on her but I actually root for him to do so. When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub: Maybe in the idealized version of ejole that fans would like to see... Half of last year was about him fooling her. Of course their relationship before that was about her fooling him, with him throwing in some semi regular abuse, and she's currently refusing to accept him for who he is.
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Jul 11 2012, 12:06 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepI think around March something happened, and the direction of the story changed. I don't know if that was MarDar's decision, Corday's or NBC. Something with the direction changed then & it seems to have stayed that way until we heard about MarDar's outster at which time we also heard about CC, PM, MA, & SB leaving. We're still waiting to see what those changes are going to be.
Anywho, that's all just my opinion, for what it's worth.
I bolded something in your post....around March something changed....when did Lucas return? March 1 he was back in Salem, 3 weeks after Sami was already living in Ej's apartment, the kiss that Ej gave her happened shortly after that.....I am convinced that MarDar were not responsible or wanted to bring Lucas back, he was brought back to be a foil for Ejami, whether that was the plan by NBC/Corday or whomever I don't know and if MarDar did bring him back it was only to push him into a story with Ejami, not that it's needed but it is what it is.....I don't know why they did it, it makes no sense....Rafe could have been the foil if they wanted someone to play that role. Whatever, I'm at a point that I really don't care, if they go with Ejami, so be it, I won't watch that shit and my interest in Days will be solely for Lucas scenes at that point. If the story shifts away from Ejami by September my interest for the show might go up. If they continue to write Lucas this badly it's a shame, but I've come to accept that this show will be history in less than 3 years so I can't get any more invested in what happens for it's future. As it is now I feel I watch out of habit, not for my enjoyment, so whatever.
You really think they just brought him in to be the shumuck? They could've used Rafe, he's the perfect shumuck. Surely that wasn't their plan......but hey, I've got no real idea only my feelings. I'm all for Ejami, you all know that, but I don't see the point of using Lucas as the Shouty McShouterston role once again.
I'm beginning to think that was exactly what they ended up doing simply because it really wasn't in their plan to bring the character back. They wrote his return, probably came up with the Autumn idea to play as a bit of drama for Sami to react to in the beginning, but I have to think that it was more forced on them and not their decision. whomever wanted him back that is and I can't think that it was MarDar's decision at this point.......just like Jack...Jack's decision wasn't 'forced' on them but the announcement of Jack came on the same day that DH was canned. Do they fire the actor right after they hired him? Nah. So that decision was already made, MarDar were just 'forced' to write for the character, they didn't WANT to write for him, so we got what we got and maybe the initial idea for the PTSD was even Tomlin/Dena, they just ran with that outline for a while but about 3 months into it (just around the time that Dena's outlines would have been officially gone, there went Jack's story). You see MarDar brought back Jarlena and Caustin and as much as we criticized the writing for both couples we can't say they weren't written FOR. Jack and Lucas' situation is similar that is why I'm convinced that it wasn't in their plans to bring back either character. I also think that in their infinite wisdom their plan was a long term Ejami pairing, right from the start, but the show likely had issues with going with them full steam ahead and gave them an out...write something dramatic, breakup Safe and then let's wait on the feedback for Ejami...in the interim we bring Lucas back in the event the feedback isn't what we want it to be, that way we have something else if we can't do Ejami and we've shot down Safe for now so we can't go back to them in the immediate future. If that was there plan fine...but give Lucas options from the start and I think they were going to do that with Autumn....why not bring her to Salem when Sami cancelled his plane ticket....that TO ME would have been the perfect time.....have Lucas say, "Okay...I'm going to stay for the kids mainly and because Will seems really fucked up now and I won't leave because I need to be here for him, but the days of being your whipping boy are over Sami.....I have a life in HK and if I don't go back she and my life are going to come here....enter Autumn and even his business....why did he have to work for Sami? We never even see it anyway....CW that is....first mention was yesterday in about 2 months...and they weren't even in the office...." so you get my idea, right? That would be writing for Lucas...not writing for Sami 'with' Lucas until we need to start a stupid triangle AGAIN, On Lucas' shouty role...I'm not sure what reaction one would expect from Lucas at this point. He's poured his heart out to Sami and sure he's told her that she had unresolved feelings for EJ and he was quickly on his way back to HK to live his life there and Sami pulled a fast one, cancelled his plane ticket and all and then professed her love to him. I guess that somehow solified to him that she wanted him. In yesterday's episode he wanted to clarify what their relationship was about and apparently they HAVE talked about the friends with benefits and they both agreed it's not that, it's more than that....and she told him yesterday as such. If now she goes around Ej and not just there for a kid exchange or to help him if the kids are sick or having something to do with that or her job...it's to PROVE EJ'S INNOCENCE and sure he's innocent but Lucas doesn't know that and his history would the guy alone would make him doubt that then it's valid....magnify that with him seeing Will involved too it adds to his distress obviously...he KNOWS Ej blackmailed Will AGAIN after he bailed him out...he has his reasons for being pissed.....we'll have to see how the scenes play out.....there is a physical fight next week so I don't expect him not to get upset....but then again, when Ej gets upset I also find it more funny than anything else. SO I get where you are coming from.... what job they finally mention the job they only mention sami working nothing on lucas working i think the point for lucas working with sami to remove from kate and lucas have not say for will[no matter the reason for lucas working there] working for ej since CW is own by the dimeras
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I really, really don't think MarDar wanted to put Lumi together....I mean, NOT really, hence the writing they have been getting, contrasted with the Ejami writing. Lumi was a foil.
I'm not sure, when Lucas first came he was written better. He was smarter written. He had scenes with Kate even. Then someone flipped the switch, he lost all his smarts and all he does is order people to stay away from EJ and scowl over him to everyone while looking like an idiot for Sami.
I knew it was only a matter of time before he started barking against Ejami hanging out. I wish that the writer knew what they were doing when they bought back Bryan. This is one of the reasons why I never bought Autumn, it just seemed like she was used as an excuse to make Sami jealous. It seems pretty stupid how he was just so in love with her, then BAM, "I am still in love with you Sami." Well godly you just broke off an engagement, now you are so quick to jump on Sami? It does not matter how much you loved her, I will rather him come back professing his love for Sami,then to say "I am engaged." And less than two weeks him and Sami are kissing like sharks. I know that Lucas is not a fan of Ej vice versa but I will prefer him to come back with another love interest. I love Lumi as friends, as well as associates but when it comes to them dating...I'll pass.. Lucas only agenda is to keep Sami away from Ej, he tried to do that before but never worked. I happen to think it hysterical how he just assumes they are not only together but sleeping together, that is a pretty much bold assumption. Then again if he has to assume something that big,he obviously knows how big Ejami attraction is. Bryan deserves better, I always thought he worked well with Arianna and I was trying to like him when he returned...Now he is at it again * BARK BARK BARK* All I hear is a Chihuahua Luchihuahua :facepalm: Lucas seems to have been brought for a very specific, sub-par reason. Said enough about it already - seeing it play out now.
And Sami seems to have moved on from Rafe pretty fast too. Yeah, she showed a little remorse and wanted to talk about it with him , and I think Rafe rightfully turned her down. The lying, the idea that she actually kicked Rafe out for the kiss knowing full-well what she had done EJ, the fucking hypocrisy, selective amnesia and self-righteousness inovled in that, I mean really. But anyway, this schpiel she gave Carrie the other day about wanting to work through her marriage but Carrie was always in the way, I didn't see too much evidence of that. Safe was blown to bits and forgotten pretty quickly.
So the rushed reunion happened pretty quickly. But I can believe Sami will always be the love of Lucas's life, so even if he finds love with someone else, that person will never hold a candle to what Sami means to him. So maybe Sami gave him an inch and he took a mile, but people do foolish thing when in love. And Lucas, for all my love for him, is acting the fool right now. Stupid show.
I wish the writers had known what to do with him as well, better than this. B/c this is just insulting.
And give me Lucas over marble-mouthed EJ any day. But he can do so much better than this dreck, and I'd rather not see him reduced to what I am seeing/hearing about now.
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Obviously I am for Ejami.
But one thing I don't get is why Lucas gets put down for his reaction towards Sami lately.
The guy stayed behind in Salem and gave up his future with another woman because Sami wanted him to. This wasn't his choice and it was written as if he would have gone back to Hong Kong if it hadnt been for Sami's meddling.
And now he's faced with competition from a man who he caught sleeping with Sami in the past. I think he has a lot to yell about and I can't imagine a more appropriate reaction.
I wish Lucas was being written smarter. As one of my favorite characters I had hoped for something so much more than his being put back into the same place as before Tomlin got rid of him.
If he was brought back for this it's the most frustrating thing in the world because if they needed an idiot they had Rafe the whole fucking time. Rafe is stupid while Lucas isn't.
I am so disappointed with this show its not even funny. I have a feeling in my case this won't change. They either write him as a loser or they write him into a relationship I no longer believe makes any sense. So sad.
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The good thing about Ejole's last conversation was that Nicole did not bristle at all about EJ's claims that he moved across from Sami for the "kids". I loved that Nicole was not shown as caring one bit and not falling for his lies at all.
Thats what makes EJOLE so great because Nicole is his equal in every way while Sami is a dumbass around EJ who EJ always pulls one over on her but I actually root for him to do so. When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
Maybe in the idealized version of ejole that fans would like to see... Half of last year was about him fooling her. Of course their relationship before that was about her fooling him, with him throwing in some semi regular abuse, and she's currently refusing to accept him for who he is. Yeah only because he cheated with her worst enemy. I don't think anyone would be accepting of that but she did stand by him through the election and supported everything he did WAY more than Sami ever has and for the most part always had his best interests at heart. So that is no "idealized version". It is who EJOLE are and they don't need to put on facades around each other like EJ does for Sami so she would soften to him. So I will take EJ "duping "Nicole over Sami any day because at least she loves him in a way Sami NEVER has and NEVER will and is allowed her brain with him.
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Jul 11 2012, 12:23 PM
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When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub: November, 2011.
And once she figured it out she's been a hypocritical, insensitive, harpy bitch.
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When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
November, 2011. And once she figured it out she's been a hypocritical, insensitive, harpy bitch. Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables? They constantly have her playing the dumbass while EJ pulls off his next scheme and when she finds out gets mad and dumps him. At least Nicole never dumped him because of who he is but what he did. Which I doubt if she did the same he would be very forgiving to start with either. Just one more way they are EXCACTLY alike.
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When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
November, 2011. And once she figured it out she's been a hypocritical, insensitive, harpy bitch.
Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables? They constantly have her playing the dumbass while EJ pulls off his next scheme and when she finds out gets made and dumps him. At least Nicole never dumbed him because of who he is but what he did. Which I doubt if she did the same he would be very forgiving to start with either. Just one more way they are EXCACTLY alike. She figured it out? You mean after Rafe came crashing through the door and punched EJ - and Sami came racing in behind him - and then all three of them had to stand there and spell it out for Nicole?
I really don't give her a lot of credit for 'figuring' that one out. She quite literally was the last person to know.
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When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
November, 2011. And once she figured it out she's been a hypocritical, insensitive, harpy bitch.
Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables? They constantly have her playing the dumbass while EJ pulls off his next scheme and when she finds out gets made and dumps him. At least Nicole never dumbed him because of who he is but what he did. Which I doubt if she did the same he would be very forgiving to start with either. Just one more way they are EXCACTLY alike.
She figured it out? You mean after Rafe came crashing through the door and punched EJ - and Sami came racing in behind him - and then all three of them had to stand there and spell it out for Nicole? I really don't give her a lot of credit for 'figuring' that one out. She quite literally was the last person to know. i am not taking about that specific incident per say and that still does not change the fact that Nicole is still allowed to be alot smarter around EJ than Sami ever is. I mean I get it on paper EJAMI sound good too but the problem is, is that Sami hasn't been written as that connyving vixen with a brain for a long time and I doubt she ever will be again. The Sami of the 90s or very early 2000s would have been great with EJ but the problem is they don't write her that way anymore. Now she is a shell of that girl and falls for most readily EJ's schemes where she just looks the part of a fool. Like Austin did to Sami's schemes. Now if Sami was written as that Sami EJAMI would work better but as I said they don't because she isn't and expects him to "change" whenever they tease the pairing only to have her dump him when she finds out what he did this time and has NEVER said she loves him which is why I also can't take them seriously.
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Sorry - when you responded to my point that the last time Nicole was duped by EJ was November 2011 with this:
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Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables? I must have missed that you weren't talking about that particular instance. I was - for the record.
And per the upcoming spoilers we know that Sami manages to uncover the surveillance tape to help prove that EJ is being set up. That sounds pretty danged savvy to me - very much like the scheming vixen she used to be. So maybe in the end we're headed back to the Samantha Gene you've just said will work with EJami. I certainly hope so. :)
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Sorry - when you responded to my point that the last time Nicole was duped by EJ was November 2011 with this: - Quote:
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Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables?
I must have missed that you weren't talking about that particular instance. I was - for the record. And per the upcoming spoilers we know that Sami manages to uncover the surveillance tape to help prove that EJ is being set up. That sounds pretty danged savvy to me - very much like the scheming vixen she used to be. So maybe in the end we're headed back to the Samantha Gene you've just said will work with EJami. I certainly hope so. :) Unfortunately I am not so sure I think this SL will end up like the Sydnapping where Sami realizes she has been played for a fool YET AGAIN. That is how TomSell write the EJ and Sami dynamic but we shall find out soon enough. At this point EJAMI are WAY past ever working for me. I will never believe Sami loves him. So for me I hope they choose who is to be with whom and give it a rest.
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