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I really, really don't think MarDar wanted to put Lumi together....I mean, NOT really, hence the writing they have been getting, contrasted with the Ejami writing. Lumi was a foil.


I'm not sure, when Lucas first came he was written better. He was smarter written. He had scenes with Kate even. Then someone flipped the switch, he lost all his smarts and all he does is order people to stay away from EJ and scowl over him to everyone while looking like an idiot for Sami.
I knew it was only a matter of time before he started barking against Ejami hanging out. I wish that the writer knew what they were doing when they bought back Bryan. This is one of the reasons why I never bought Autumn, it just seemed like she was used as an excuse to make Sami jealous. It seems pretty stupid how he was just so in love with her, then BAM, "I am still in love with you Sami." Well godly you just broke off an engagement, now you are so quick to jump on Sami? It does not matter how much you loved her, I will rather him come back professing his love for Sami,then to say "I am engaged." And less than two weeks him and Sami are kissing like sharks.

I know that Lucas is not a fan of Ej vice versa but I will prefer him to come back with another love interest. I love Lumi as friends, as well as associates but when it comes to them dating...I'll pass.. Lucas only agenda is to keep Sami away from Ej, he tried to do that before but never worked. I happen to think it hysterical how he just assumes they are not only together but sleeping together, that is a pretty much bold assumption. Then again if he has to assume something that big,he obviously knows how big Ejami attraction is.

Bryan deserves better, I always thought he worked well with Arianna and I was trying to like him when he returned...Now he is at it again * BARK BARK BARK* All I hear is a Chihuahua

Luchihuahua :facepalm:
Lucas seems to have been brought for a very specific, sub-par reason. Said enough about it already - seeing it play out now.

And Sami seems to have moved on from Rafe pretty fast too. Yeah, she showed a little remorse and wanted to talk about it with him , and I think Rafe rightfully turned her down. The lying, the idea that she actually kicked Rafe out for the kiss knowing full-well what she had done EJ, the fucking hypocrisy, selective amnesia and self-righteousness inovled in that, I mean really. But anyway, this schpiel she gave Carrie the other day about wanting to work through her marriage but Carrie was always in the way, I didn't see too much evidence of that. Safe was blown to bits and forgotten pretty quickly.

So the rushed reunion happened pretty quickly. But I can believe Sami will always be the love of Lucas's life, so even if he finds love with someone else, that person will never hold a candle to what Sami means to him. So maybe Sami gave him an inch and he took a mile, but people do foolish thing when in love. And Lucas, for all my love for him, is acting the fool right now. Stupid show.

I wish the writers had known what to do with him as well, better than this. B/c this is just insulting.

And give me Lucas over marble-mouthed EJ any day. But he can do so much better than this dreck, and I'd rather not see him reduced to what I am seeing/hearing about now.
After watching a bit of the scenes with him, John and Marlena, I'm sorta hopeful that it is him being involved in something seperate from Sami. Even though this has everything to do with EJill and EJami. Hopefully he will play a large part to help John get Dimera Ent. w/o Sami knowing obviously, and at least that means he is doing something other than turning into a Martha Stewart house husband!

Totally off topic but since when is Sami qualified to run a MNC?? Please have Kate take her company back already. It was far more interesting watching her squirm under Kate.
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Thats what makes EJOLE so great because Nicole is his equal in every way while Sami is a dumbass around EJ who EJ always pulls one over on her but I actually root for him to do so. When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
Maybe in the idealized version of ejole that fans would like to see... Half of last year was about him fooling her. Of course their relationship before that was about her fooling him, with him throwing in some semi regular abuse, and she's currently refusing to accept him for who he is.
Yeah only because he cheated with her worst enemy. I don't think anyone would be accepting of that but she did stand by him through the election and supported everything he did WAY more than Sami ever has and for the most part always had his best interests at heart. So that is no "idealized version". It is who EJOLE are and they don't need to put on facades around each other like EJ does for Sami so she would soften to him. So I will take EJ "duping "Nicole over Sami any day because at least she loves him in a way Sami NEVER has and NEVER will and is allowed her brain with him.
He didn't cheat on her. Nicole made it very clear that she wasn't interested in fixing their marriage. By the time she change her mind, he'd already slept with Sami. If Nicole had accepted who he was, she wouldn't have fully trusted him. If she didn't fall for his schemes, there never would have been an ejaylor. And she wouldn't be trying to keep his child from him and informing on him to the police.

Sami's treatment of EJ doesn't really have anything to do with how ejole treat each other, but even if they did - EJ's not putting on a facade around Sami.
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Maybe in the idealized version of ejole that fans would like to see... Half of last year was about him fooling her. Of course their relationship before that was about her fooling him, with him throwing in some semi regular abuse, and she's currently refusing to accept him for who he is.
Yeah only because he cheated with her worst enemy. I don't think anyone would be accepting of that but she did stand by him through the election and supported everything he did WAY more than Sami ever has and for the most part always had his best interests at heart. So that is no "idealized version". It is who EJOLE are and they don't need to put on facades around each other like EJ does for Sami so she would soften to him. So I will take EJ "duping "Nicole over Sami any day because at least she loves him in a way Sami NEVER has and NEVER will and is allowed her brain with him.
He didn't cheat on her. Nicole made it very clear that she wasn't interested in fixing their marriage. By the time she change her mind, he'd already slept with Sami. If Nicole had accepted who he was, she wouldn't have fully trusted him. If she didn't fall for his schemes, there never would have been an ejaylor. And she wouldn't be trying to keep his child from him and informing on him to the police.

Sami's treatment of EJ doesn't really have anything to do with how ejole treat each other, but even if they did - EJ's not putting on a facade around Sami.
Time will tell but he always ends up playing her in the end.. we will just have to wait and see once TomSells stuff really starts what they do with MarDars shitty stories.. To have a relationship work a person needs to trust the person they are with and Nicole did that despite EJ and who he is because she loves him. Sami not trusting the people that truly love her has worked fabulously for her, not. Even with EJ If they were going to have a relationship she would need to trust him for it to work but she does not and so all her relationships fail because of her own stupidity.
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Yeah only because he cheated with her worst enemy. I don't think anyone would be accepting of that but she did stand by him through the election and supported everything he did WAY more than Sami ever has and for the most part always had his best interests at heart. So that is no "idealized version". It is who EJOLE are and they don't need to put on facades around each other like EJ does for Sami so she would soften to him. So I will take EJ "duping "Nicole over Sami any day because at least she loves him in a way Sami NEVER has and NEVER will and is allowed her brain with him.
He didn't cheat on her. Nicole made it very clear that she wasn't interested in fixing their marriage. By the time she change her mind, he'd already slept with Sami. If Nicole had accepted who he was, she wouldn't have fully trusted him. If she didn't fall for his schemes, there never would have been an ejaylor. And she wouldn't be trying to keep his child from him and informing on him to the police.

Sami's treatment of EJ doesn't really have anything to do with how ejole treat each other, but even if they did - EJ's not putting on a facade around Sami.
Time will tell but he always ends up playing her in the end.. we will just have to wait and see once TomSells stuff really starts what they do with MarDars shitty stories.. To have a relationship work a person needs to trust the person they are with and Nicole did that despite EJ and who he is because she loves him. Sami not trusting the people that truly love her has worked fabulously for her, not. Even with EJ If they were going to have a relationship she would need to trust him for it tro work but she does not and so all her relationships fail because of her own stupidity.
To have an ideal relationship, people need to trust each other, but it's not a prerequisite on TV.

And yes, anything can change, but I personally don't see the point of deciding certain rewrites are likely to happen, then using that to support or or bash a pairing. Even if ther are rewrites, I don't think they have any bearing on the current stories that we're discussing right now. It's not 2010, where the writing was on the wall. At this point, EJ's not tricking Sami, and we don't know if that will change. TomSell haven't had Nicole carry a baby to term, or find a man who's faithful and wants her as a first choice, either, but that doesn't mean history is going to repeat itself.
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EJ being honest is total crap to me. I can't believe they are trying to turn him into some form of good guy when there are a truckload of those on the show already! The whole premise of his character is that he can't be trusted, that he's reckless and vengeful. At least that's how I see it. He should be trying to avenge his father's "murder" not crying on Sami's shoulder. I'm really hoping that there is a point to all of this. That they want us to believe this side of him and then bam he's back to doing something evil. Pleeeese let that be soon.
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So, he has to lie to everybody and be guilty all the time? It's not enough that in the last few months, he's blackmailed Will, framed John, lied to Nicole done things to rig an election, considered killing his own father threatened his father's lawyer, etc.?

What other good person does all that, not out of necessity, but just to do it?
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I found all that stuff to be entertaining. LOL He was on a roll...there is no need for him to stop.
Edited by 3WishGenie, Jul 11 2012, 02:28 PM.
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The EJ hanging out with Sami is the most watered down version I have ever seen, such a disappointment.
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Jul 11 2012, 02:35 PM
The EJ hanging out with Sami is the most watered down version I have ever seen, such a disappointment.
Yep but not unexpected being that this is MarDars work.
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Jul 11 2012, 02:25 PM
I found all that stuff to be entertaining. LOL He was on a roll...there is no need for him to stop.
But has he stopped? It's not like he's given his annual 'I vow to become a better man' speech, or shown any intention whatsoever of changing his ways.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

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Jul 11 2012, 12:08 PM
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Jul 11 2012, 11:46 AM
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I really, really don't think MarDar wanted to put Lumi together....I mean, NOT really, hence the writing they have been getting, contrasted with the Ejami writing. Lumi was a foil.


I'm not sure, when Lucas first came he was written better. He was smarter written. He had scenes with Kate even. Then someone flipped the switch, he lost all his smarts and all he does is order people to stay away from EJ and scowl over him to everyone while looking like an idiot for Sami.
I knew it was only a matter of time before he started barking against Ejami hanging out. I wish that the writer knew what they were doing when they bought back Bryan. This is one of the reasons why I never bought Autumn, it just seemed like she was used as an excuse to make Sami jealous. It seems pretty stupid how he was just so in love with her, then BAM, "I am still in love with you Sami." Well godly you just broke off an engagement, now you are so quick to jump on Sami? It does not matter how much you loved her, I will rather him come back professing his love for Sami,then to say "I am engaged." And less than two weeks him and Sami are kissing like sharks.

I know that Lucas is not a fan of Ej vice versa but I will prefer him to come back with another love interest. I love Lumi as friends, as well as associates but when it comes to them dating...I'll pass.. Lucas only agenda is to keep Sami away from Ej, he tried to do that before but never worked. I happen to think it hysterical how he just assumes they are not only together but sleeping together, that is a pretty much bold assumption. Then again if he has to assume something that big,he obviously knows how big Ejami attraction is.

Bryan deserves better, I always thought he worked well with Arianna and I was trying to like him when he returned...Now he is at it again * BARK BARK BARK* All I hear is a Chihuahua

Luchihuahua :facepalm:
Lucas seems to have been brought for a very specific, sub-par reason. Said enough about it already - seeing it play out now.

And Sami seems to have moved on from Rafe pretty fast too. Yeah, she showed a little remorse and wanted to talk about it with him , and I think Rafe rightfully turned her down. The lying, the idea that she actually kicked Rafe out for the kiss knowing full-well what she had done EJ, the fucking hypocrisy, selective amnesia and self-righteousness inovled in that, I mean really. But anyway, this schpiel she gave Carrie the other day about wanting to work through her marriage but Carrie was always in the way, I didn't see too much evidence of that. Safe was blown to bits and forgotten pretty quickly.

So the rushed reunion happened pretty quickly. But I can believe Sami will always be the love of Lucas's life, so even if he finds love with someone else, that person will never hold a candle to what Sami means to him. So maybe Sami gave him an inch and he took a mile, but people do foolish thing when in love. And Lucas, for all my love for him, is acting the fool right now. Stupid show.

I wish the writers had known what to do with him as well, better than this. B/c this is just insulting.

And give me Lucas over marble-mouthed EJ any day. But he can do so much better than this dreck, and I'd rather not see him reduced to what I am seeing/hearing about now.
As I said before I am a fan of Bryan, not his character but a fan of the actor. I may learn to enjoy Lucas if he just moved on with his life, bring in a new woman or something. Having him being tied to Sami is not working any favors.
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Jul 11 2012, 02:35 PM
The EJ hanging out with Sami is the most watered down version I have ever seen, such a disappointment.
She's like a damn leech sucking the life out of every pairing and character I enjoy. :shame:

While I have enjoyed her scenes with Lucas, I can't help but hope that Autumn makes a return. No one deserves to be treated like that except Tanman. :)
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I found all that stuff to be entertaining. LOL He was on a roll...there is no need for him to stop.
But has he stopped? It's not like he's given his annual 'I vow to become a better man' speech, or shown any intention whatsoever of changing his ways.
Right now he hasn't given us any indication that he's going to do anything. Unless this is one of those things happening off screen again. We are only seeing what others are doing to him and him looking worried, entertaining the possibility that he might be going to prison.

I pretty much anticipate that as soon as Ejami get back together, he'll be pulling some version of that speech out. :P
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EJ being honest is total crap to me. I can't believe they are trying to turn him into some form of good guy when there are a truckload of those on the show already! The whole premise of his character is that he can't be trusted, that he's reckless and vengeful. At least that's how I see it. He should be trying to avenge his father's "murder" not crying on Sami's shoulder. I'm really hoping that there is a point to all of this. That they want us to believe this side of him and then bam he's back to doing something evil. Pleeeese let that be soon.
:hail: AMEN
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

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Jul 11 2012, 12:42 PM
Sorry - when you responded to my point that the last time Nicole was duped by EJ was November 2011 with this:
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Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables?
I must have missed that you weren't talking about that particular instance. I was - for the record.

And per the upcoming spoilers we know that Sami manages to uncover the surveillance tape to help prove that EJ is being set up. That sounds pretty danged savvy to me - very much like the scheming vixen she used to be. So maybe in the end we're headed back to the Samantha Gene you've just said will work with EJami. I certainly hope so. :)
Unfortunately I am not so sure I think this SL will end up like the Sydnapping where Sami realizes she has been played for a fool YET AGAIN. That is how TomSell write the EJ and Sami dynamic but we shall find out soon enough. At this point EJAMI are WAY past ever working for me. I will never believe Sami loves him. So for me I hope they choose who is to be with whom and give it a rest.
I believe the quite opposite, I believe Sami does love him, her words say one thing but her actions say a whole other thing.
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Sorry - when you responded to my point that the last time Nicole was duped by EJ was November 2011 with this:
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Again the key being she figured it out! When is the last time Sami ever figured anything out for herself and turned the tables?
I must have missed that you weren't talking about that particular instance. I was - for the record.

And per the upcoming spoilers we know that Sami manages to uncover the surveillance tape to help prove that EJ is being set up. That sounds pretty danged savvy to me - very much like the scheming vixen she used to be. So maybe in the end we're headed back to the Samantha Gene you've just said will work with EJami. I certainly hope so. :)
Unfortunately I am not so sure I think this SL will end up like the Sydnapping where Sami realizes she has been played for a fool YET AGAIN. That is how TomSell write the EJ and Sami dynamic but we shall find out soon enough. At this point EJAMI are WAY past ever working for me. I will never believe Sami loves him. So for me I hope they choose who is to be with whom and give it a rest.
I believe the quite opposite, I believe Sami does love him, her words say one thing but her actions say a whole other thing.
James we will have to agree to disagree here. I have never denied she is in lust with him but as far as being in love I don't buy it and never will. Anyways hope all is well with you. :)
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Jul 11 2012, 01:50 PM
EJ being honest is total crap to me. I can't believe they are trying to turn him into some form of good guy when there are a truckload of those on the show already! The whole premise of his character is that he can't be trusted, that he's reckless and vengeful. At least that's how I see it. He should be trying to avenge his father's "murder" not crying on Sami's shoulder. I'm really hoping that there is a point to all of this. That they want us to believe this side of him and then bam he's back to doing something evil. Pleeeese let that be soon.
Other than flirting with Sami rather than tickling Nicole, I see zero difference between EJ now and EJ six months ago. He's being truthful about some things (the fact that he didn't shoot his dad) and he's being dishonest about others (the fact that he's not a DiMera). MarDar's characterization of EJ isn't that interesting, but they've been pretty consistent with him.
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My point was that Nicole's actions could be more easily suympathized than Sami's even taking out her reasoning now for the November boink which was because she was so "grief stricken". What her excuse for her behaviour now? Lucas is treating her the best he ever has and Rafe is no longer angry yet she is still being a flake? Why.. she has no reason too and if its because shes torn or whatever BS then she needs to be alone until she figures it out. Nicole isn't definitively with anyone but Sami re commited herself to Lucas and didn't take the out he gave her which makes her look even worse IMO. But thatsd typical Sami.
Sympathized? She's pregnant, it makes it more gross. She's pregnant with one man's baby, married to one man, sleeping with her doctor, and has feelings for the guy she has portraying her baby's daddy along with the doctor. If Sami's a slut, then Nicole's not a sympathetic flower who can't be called out on her actions because of the grief sex (they thought Johnny was dead, may be they should get sympathized and free passed for their actions?). Which I think occurred at a time that she wasn't even with EJ, wasn't it?

A slut's a slut. A poor me woe need to pay for my schooling sob story doesn't make a prostitute any less a prostitute.

Isn't with anyone? Being a slut is dependent on who you're with and if you're with someone? If someone sleeps with someone
else everyday of the week and isn't with anyone, doesn't make them any less a slut.

I never denied that what Nicole is doing isn't gross however for the reasons I stated is why I think what Sami is doing is more disgusting because shes down right lying to Lucas about being on the same page while she refuses to take the outs he gave her and keeps stringing him along and yes Nicoles actions IMO can be more sympathetic than Sami's at present who has no reason to mistreat Lucas the way she is and lead him on the way she is.
They just had a friends with benefits conversation a day ago. Their relationship wasn't even defined. Lucas looks like a rebound from Rafe.

Lucas also was the one who told her that she had unresolved EJ feelings.
Lucas is also the one who told Rafe that his actions were pushing Sami to EJ.
Lucas is also the one desperate to keep Sami from speaking to EJ.
Sami is also the one who told Lucas to run for the hills.


Lucas knowingly put himself in this situation. He's not poor mistreated Lucas.
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Jul 11 2012, 12:23 PM
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Jul 11 2012, 11:48 AM
When is the last time Nicole was ever fooled by EJ? She knows who he is and accepts him while Sami never has and never will. I love their cat and mouse dynamic. :wub:
November, 2011.

And once she figured it out she's been a hypocritical, insensitive, harpy bitch.
:applause: AMEN. she is a crazy bitch. they were not even together at that point so it WAS NOT cheating. The lying sure maybe but didn't they have a whole fluffy "fresh start" convo crap after when EJ tried to tell her? I can't remember b/c I FF through Ejoke, they make me sick.
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