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Jul 8 2012, 12:33 PM
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- Dee-anne
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Not necessarily. If EJ raped Nicole, put a double in her bed to have sex with her and laughed about it, kidnapped her child and watched her cry and have sleepless nights over it, and if Nicole was to shoot EJ in the head and left him to die. I would definitely not want them together. No Way! I would have been routing for Nicole if she did shoot him in the head. It would not matter to me how much chemistry they had, I would not want the wirters to put them together. They can remain enemies that is it! It may be fiction but that kind of treatment between two people has nothing to do with love, and shame on the show to try to depict it as such.
like I said, it all boils down to who you like; EJAMI is not lacking for support, so it really is a non issue to those who want the pairing...... as for how wrong it is of the show to depict it as such; the EJOLE side is in no position to judge given that EJ was ready to kill her ass, fucked her sister and tried to throw her out like a dog, she allowed him to grieve and become undone for a child that was not his, stole his child and was ready to run off with it when she did not get her way. Like the saying goes, those in glass houses!
All these things that happened between EJ and Nicole can never be as bad as what has happened between EJ and Sami. Sami not only just shot EJ, she made sure that while she watched him dieing that the doctor pulled the plug to ensure his certain death. Unfortunately for her he did not die. Compared to the scene where EJ held Nicole's throat and hardly squeezed. Whether or not his intentions were to kill her. We saw no struggle on Nicole's part. She was perfectly fine when Daniel came along. EJ did not go seeking her out again to make sure she was dead. Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour. We may have seen her watch him grieve over Grace who was not his but, we also saw her telling Stephano that she was going to tell EJ the truth, because she could not watch him suffer like that and, Stefano advised her not to. The story and AZ performance made you understand the decisions she made, even though most of them were the wrong ones but throughout that story, she always maintained that she loved EJ. She said it often and EJ said that he loved her too. The majority of time EJ was nothing but loveing to Nicole, letting her get her own way sometime and which is the main reason why I hated her lying to him but. Nicole's motivation were always made clear even though sometimes selfish. As to EJ cheating - The reason Nicole was back in his life in the first place was because of EJ himself. Nicole was trying to build her life with Brady but, EJ wanted her to live with him and his kids in the mansion. He ended up having to blackmail her into doing this. EJ was deeply attracted to Nicole and we could see this, he was also the one that said to make their marriage a real one when Nicole thought it was a marriage in name only. Then Taylor comes along. Yes, EJ cheated on her. It was a terrible time and I just wanted Nicole to just walk away after getting some kind of revenge of course. Not excusing his behaviour, it was bad. Nicole walked away in the end because she chose to and I was glad. but we have had scenes where he has expressed how sorry he was, so we saw remorse, we have had discussions, we have seen him realise how much he still cared for her, so many nice scenes that took place before Nicole finally took him back. Even after the griefsex which I was very angry about because we were just recovering from him cheating on Nicole, EJ was nothing but wonderful to Nicole. He told her many times that he loved her. He just wanted to see her happy. Loved the tickles, and the way she makes him laugh. He has even told her she is the only girl he has ever loved and I believe him. I just have to look at how he has treated Sami to know, and how quickly he forgot Taylor. Beautiful post Dee-Anne. :hail: You said it so much better then I could have.
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Jul 8 2012, 12:33 PM
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Not necessarily. If EJ raped Nicole, put a double in her bed to have sex with her and laughed about it, kidnapped her child and watched her cry and have sleepless nights over it, and if Nicole was to shoot EJ in the head and left him to die. I would definitely not want them together. No Way! I would have been routing for Nicole if she did shoot him in the head. It would not matter to me how much chemistry they had, I would not want the wirters to put them together. They can remain enemies that is it! It may be fiction but that kind of treatment between two people has nothing to do with love, and shame on the show to try to depict it as such.
like I said, it all boils down to who you like; EJAMI is not lacking for support, so it really is a non issue to those who want the pairing...... as for how wrong it is of the show to depict it as such; the EJOLE side is in no position to judge given that EJ was ready to kill her ass, fucked her sister and tried to throw her out like a dog, she allowed him to grieve and become undone for a child that was not his, stole his child and was ready to run off with it when she did not get her way. Like the saying goes, those in glass houses!
All these things that happened between EJ and Nicole can never be as bad as what has happened between EJ and Sami. Sami not only just shot EJ, she made sure that while she watched him dieing that the doctor pulled the plug to ensure his certain death. Unfortunately for her he did not die. Compared to the scene where EJ held Nicole's throat and hardly squeezed. Whether or not his intentions were to kill her. We saw no struggle on Nicole's part. She was perfectly fine when Daniel came along. EJ did not go seeking her out again to make sure she was dead. Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour. We may have seen her watch him grieve over Grace who was not his but, we also saw her telling Stephano that she was going to tell EJ the truth, because she could not watch him suffer like that and, Stefano advised her not to. The story and AZ performance made you understand the decisions she made, even though most of them were the wrong ones but throughout that story, she always maintained that she loved EJ. She said it often and EJ said that he loved her too. The majority of time EJ was nothing but loveing to Nicole, letting her get her own way sometime and which is the main reason why I hated her lying to him but. Nicole's motivation were always made clear even though sometimes selfish. As to EJ cheating - The reason Nicole was back in his life in the first place was because of EJ himself. Nicole was trying to build her life with Brady but, EJ wanted her to live with him and his kids in the mansion. He ended up having to blackmail her into doing this. EJ was deeply attracted to Nicole and we could see this, he was also the one that said to make their marriage a real one when Nicole thought it was a marriage in name only. Then Taylor comes along. Yes, EJ cheated on her. It was a terrible time and I just wanted Nicole to just walk away after getting some kind of revenge of course. Not excusing his behaviour, it was bad. Nicole walked away in the end because she chose to and I was glad. but we have had scenes where he has expressed how sorry he was, so we saw remorse, we have had discussions, we have seen him realise how much he still cared for her, so many nice scenes that took place before Nicole finally took him back. Even after the griefsex which I was very angry about because we were just recovering from him cheating on Nicole, EJ was nothing but wonderful to Nicole. He told her many times that he loved her. He just wanted to see her happy. Loved the tickles, and the way she makes him laugh. He has even told her she is the only girl he has ever loved and I believe him. I just have to look at how he has treated Sami to know, and how quickly he forgot Taylor. EJ and Sami's relationship was on a whole different level than EJ and Nicole.......the things EJ did to Sami was matched by the things Sami did to him; the same way the things Nicole did to EJ was matched by what he did to her.......basically an even platform on either side......hurt all the way round, so neither comes out looking better than the other......
They are a bunch of fucked up, dysfunctional people and their relationships reflect that......and I am not going to sugar coat any, she was going to tell him, the bitch only cared about herself........they had moments like this with EJ.
and if I remember correctly and I know I do when EJ brought Nicole back into the picture with the whole trancking bracelet thing, his motives was to mess with Sami......it was all about Sami and then in came Taylor. And yes he told her she is the only girl he ever loved, but why is this more believeable than when he said it to Sami and Taylor. To be frank, for the only girl he ever loved, he sure aint doing shit to get her back. A few moments of begging mixed in with him calling her a disease ridden slut, refusing to stay away from Sami and did not even give a moments consideration to move away with her :lol: what are words worth when you refuse to do anything to back it up.
and as of right now, Nicole is the woman trying to destroy EJ, while Sami has his back, and I love it!
ETA: when it comes to Sami pulling the plug, she did not want to be in that position and her actions were what EJ's own sister Lexie advised!
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like I said, it all boils down to who you like I'm not a fan of either pairing(Ejole/EJami) What it boils down to for me is that I didn't see EJ rape Nicole, but I saw him rape Sami. I like EJ as an individual character wreaking havoc, and I find him more tolerable in a romantic sense with Nicole. I see romantic chemistry with EJole, but with Ejami all I see is gross lusting that makes me want to puke. Maybe if it was 20 years later, I wouldn't feel that way about Ejami, but the rape is still fresh for a lot of fans. I think pairing a rape victim with her rapist in this day and age is a complete turn for many viewers. I don't care how many fans Ejami have, there are more fans that don't want to see rape romanticized in the form of EJami imo.
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Jul 8 2012, 01:00 PM
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like I said, it all boils down to who you like; EJAMI is not lacking for support, so it really is a non issue to those who want the pairing...... as for how wrong it is of the show to depict it as such; the EJOLE side is in no position to judge given that EJ was ready to kill her ass, fucked her sister and tried to throw her out like a dog, she allowed him to grieve and become undone for a child that was not his, stole his child and was ready to run off with it when she did not get her way. Like the saying goes, those in glass houses!
All these things that happened between EJ and Nicole can never be as bad as what has happened between EJ and Sami. Sami not only just shot EJ, she made sure that while she watched him dieing that the doctor pulled the plug to ensure his certain death. Unfortunately for her he did not die. Compared to the scene where EJ held Nicole's throat and hardly squeezed. Whether or not his intentions were to kill her. We saw no struggle on Nicole's part. She was perfectly fine when Daniel came along. EJ did not go seeking her out again to make sure she was dead. Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour. We may have seen her watch him grieve over Grace who was not his but, we also saw her telling Stephano that she was going to tell EJ the truth, because she could not watch him suffer like that and, Stefano advised her not to. The story and AZ performance made you understand the decisions she made, even though most of them were the wrong ones but throughout that story, she always maintained that she loved EJ. She said it often and EJ said that he loved her too. The majority of time EJ was nothing but loveing to Nicole, letting her get her own way sometime and which is the main reason why I hated her lying to him but. Nicole's motivation were always made clear even though sometimes selfish. As to EJ cheating - The reason Nicole was back in his life in the first place was because of EJ himself. Nicole was trying to build her life with Brady but, EJ wanted her to live with him and his kids in the mansion. He ended up having to blackmail her into doing this. EJ was deeply attracted to Nicole and we could see this, he was also the one that said to make their marriage a real one when Nicole thought it was a marriage in name only. Then Taylor comes along. Yes, EJ cheated on her. It was a terrible time and I just wanted Nicole to just walk away after getting some kind of revenge of course. Not excusing his behaviour, it was bad. Nicole walked away in the end because she chose to and I was glad. but we have had scenes where he has expressed how sorry he was, so we saw remorse, we have had discussions, we have seen him realise how much he still cared for her, so many nice scenes that took place before Nicole finally took him back. Even after the griefsex which I was very angry about because we were just recovering from him cheating on Nicole, EJ was nothing but wonderful to Nicole. He told her many times that he loved her. He just wanted to see her happy. Loved the tickles, and the way she makes him laugh. He has even told her she is the only girl he has ever loved and I believe him. I just have to look at how he has treated Sami to know, and how quickly he forgot Taylor.
EJ and Sami's relationship was on a whole different level than EJ and Nicole.......the things EJ did to Sami was matched by the things Sami did to him; the same way the things Nicole did to EJ was matched by what he did to her.......basically an even platform on either side......hurt all the way round, so neither comes out looking better than the other...... They are a bunch of fucked up, dysfunctional people and their relationships reflect that......and I am not going to sugar coat any, she was going to tell him, the bitch only cared about herself........they had moments like this with EJ. and if I remember correctly and I know I do when EJ brought Nicole back into the picture with the whole trancking bracelet thing, his motives was to mess with Sami......it was all about Sami and then in came Taylor. And yes he told her she is the only girl he ever loved, but why is this more believeable than when he said it to Sami and Taylor. To be frank, for the only girl he ever loved, he sure aint doing shit to get her back. A few moments of begging mixed in with him calling her a disease ridden slut, refusing to stay away from Sami and did not even give a moments consideration to move away with her :lol: what are words worth when you refuse to do anything to back it up. and as of right now, Nicole is the woman trying to destroy EJ, while Sami has his back, and I love it! ETA: when it comes to Sami pulling the plug, she did not want to be in that position and her actions were what EJ's own sister Lexie advised! I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami.
As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born.
As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name.
I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born.
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All these things that happened between EJ and Nicole can never be as bad as what has happened between EJ and Sami. Sami not only just shot EJ, she made sure that while she watched him dieing that the doctor pulled the plug to ensure his certain death. Unfortunately for her he did not die. Compared to the scene where EJ held Nicole's throat and hardly squeezed. Whether or not his intentions were to kill her. We saw no struggle on Nicole's part. She was perfectly fine when Daniel came along. EJ did not go seeking her out again to make sure she was dead. Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour. We may have seen her watch him grieve over Grace who was not his but, we also saw her telling Stephano that she was going to tell EJ the truth, because she could not watch him suffer like that and, Stefano advised her not to. The story and AZ performance made you understand the decisions she made, even though most of them were the wrong ones but throughout that story, she always maintained that she loved EJ. She said it often and EJ said that he loved her too. The majority of time EJ was nothing but loveing to Nicole, letting her get her own way sometime and which is the main reason why I hated her lying to him but. Nicole's motivation were always made clear even though sometimes selfish. As to EJ cheating - The reason Nicole was back in his life in the first place was because of EJ himself. Nicole was trying to build her life with Brady but, EJ wanted her to live with him and his kids in the mansion. He ended up having to blackmail her into doing this. EJ was deeply attracted to Nicole and we could see this, he was also the one that said to make their marriage a real one when Nicole thought it was a marriage in name only. Then Taylor comes along. Yes, EJ cheated on her. It was a terrible time and I just wanted Nicole to just walk away after getting some kind of revenge of course. Not excusing his behaviour, it was bad. Nicole walked away in the end because she chose to and I was glad. but we have had scenes where he has expressed how sorry he was, so we saw remorse, we have had discussions, we have seen him realise how much he still cared for her, so many nice scenes that took place before Nicole finally took him back. Even after the griefsex which I was very angry about because we were just recovering from him cheating on Nicole, EJ was nothing but wonderful to Nicole. He told her many times that he loved her. He just wanted to see her happy. Loved the tickles, and the way she makes him laugh. He has even told her she is the only girl he has ever loved and I believe him. I just have to look at how he has treated Sami to know, and how quickly he forgot Taylor.
EJ and Sami's relationship was on a whole different level than EJ and Nicole.......the things EJ did to Sami was matched by the things Sami did to him; the same way the things Nicole did to EJ was matched by what he did to her.......basically an even platform on either side......hurt all the way round, so neither comes out looking better than the other...... They are a bunch of fucked up, dysfunctional people and their relationships reflect that......and I am not going to sugar coat any, she was going to tell him, the bitch only cared about herself........they had moments like this with EJ. and if I remember correctly and I know I do when EJ brought Nicole back into the picture with the whole trancking bracelet thing, his motives was to mess with Sami......it was all about Sami and then in came Taylor. And yes he told her she is the only girl he ever loved, but why is this more believeable than when he said it to Sami and Taylor. To be frank, for the only girl he ever loved, he sure aint doing shit to get her back. A few moments of begging mixed in with him calling her a disease ridden slut, refusing to stay away from Sami and did not even give a moments consideration to move away with her :lol: what are words worth when you refuse to do anything to back it up. and as of right now, Nicole is the woman trying to destroy EJ, while Sami has his back, and I love it! ETA: when it comes to Sami pulling the plug, she did not want to be in that position and her actions were what EJ's own sister Lexie advised!
I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born. how is the Rafe two thing not messing with Sami.......which ever way you look at it, before Taylor came along, EJ was ALL about Sami in one form or the other, Nicole was nothing more than a pawn in his games; and show me a man who would not be fucking pissed that a woman brought another man to his home to fuck around.........lol......there was nothing done out of love for Nicole back then.
and EJ has never been all consuming when it came to Nicole, so it is not surprising that he is this way now. Losing Nicole has never made EJ come undone; she just never had that power over him.
As for Nicole's actions; its par on course with who she is. This is the woman who gave Rafe the man who treated her like crap the evidence on the Sydnapping, the woman who went to Sami the woman who was ready to bash her head in rather than EJ when she knew EJ wanted Arianna's tape to get his kids.....so her getting evidence on EJ for Rafe goes hand in hand with her past behaviour.
and Nicole did give EJ his child, but that was more the luck of the draw.....she was fully content on passing off Mia's as his, when the opportunity arose to make her ruse work even better she grabbed it.....she was even willing to run off with EJ's daughter leaving him in the dark. It has always been about Nicole getting what Nicole wanted first, EJ having his child for those few months was a by product. That is why her actions now is not surprising one but. The use of Dimera name is just for Rafe and Daniel's benefit, her actions are fueled by jealousy of EJ and Sami; knowing she will never be first in his heart, something she proved when she asked him to leave and he refused to.
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All these things that happened between EJ and Nicole can never be as bad as what has happened between EJ and Sami. Sami not only just shot EJ, she made sure that while she watched him dieing that the doctor pulled the plug to ensure his certain death. Unfortunately for her he did not die. Compared to the scene where EJ held Nicole's throat and hardly squeezed. Whether or not his intentions were to kill her. We saw no struggle on Nicole's part. She was perfectly fine when Daniel came along. EJ did not go seeking her out again to make sure she was dead. Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour. We may have seen her watch him grieve over Grace who was not his but, we also saw her telling Stephano that she was going to tell EJ the truth, because she could not watch him suffer like that and, Stefano advised her not to. The story and AZ performance made you understand the decisions she made, even though most of them were the wrong ones but throughout that story, she always maintained that she loved EJ. She said it often and EJ said that he loved her too. The majority of time EJ was nothing but loveing to Nicole, letting her get her own way sometime and which is the main reason why I hated her lying to him but. Nicole's motivation were always made clear even though sometimes selfish. As to EJ cheating - The reason Nicole was back in his life in the first place was because of EJ himself. Nicole was trying to build her life with Brady but, EJ wanted her to live with him and his kids in the mansion. He ended up having to blackmail her into doing this. EJ was deeply attracted to Nicole and we could see this, he was also the one that said to make their marriage a real one when Nicole thought it was a marriage in name only. Then Taylor comes along. Yes, EJ cheated on her. It was a terrible time and I just wanted Nicole to just walk away after getting some kind of revenge of course. Not excusing his behaviour, it was bad. Nicole walked away in the end because she chose to and I was glad. but we have had scenes where he has expressed how sorry he was, so we saw remorse, we have had discussions, we have seen him realise how much he still cared for her, so many nice scenes that took place before Nicole finally took him back. Even after the griefsex which I was very angry about because we were just recovering from him cheating on Nicole, EJ was nothing but wonderful to Nicole. He told her many times that he loved her. He just wanted to see her happy. Loved the tickles, and the way she makes him laugh. He has even told her she is the only girl he has ever loved and I believe him. I just have to look at how he has treated Sami to know, and how quickly he forgot Taylor.
EJ and Sami's relationship was on a whole different level than EJ and Nicole.......the things EJ did to Sami was matched by the things Sami did to him; the same way the things Nicole did to EJ was matched by what he did to her.......basically an even platform on either side......hurt all the way round, so neither comes out looking better than the other...... They are a bunch of fucked up, dysfunctional people and their relationships reflect that......and I am not going to sugar coat any, she was going to tell him, the bitch only cared about herself........they had moments like this with EJ. and if I remember correctly and I know I do when EJ brought Nicole back into the picture with the whole trancking bracelet thing, his motives was to mess with Sami......it was all about Sami and then in came Taylor. And yes he told her she is the only girl he ever loved, but why is this more believeable than when he said it to Sami and Taylor. To be frank, for the only girl he ever loved, he sure aint doing shit to get her back. A few moments of begging mixed in with him calling her a disease ridden slut, refusing to stay away from Sami and did not even give a moments consideration to move away with her :lol: what are words worth when you refuse to do anything to back it up. and as of right now, Nicole is the woman trying to destroy EJ, while Sami has his back, and I love it! ETA: when it comes to Sami pulling the plug, she did not want to be in that position and her actions were what EJ's own sister Lexie advised!
I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born. Actually EJ admitted to Chad that the Rafe2 stuff was about Sami. After the Rafe2 fallout Chad confronted EJ and said that EJ did all of the Rafe2 stuff because EJ couldn't stand to see Sami with another man. EJ told Chad that he knows him well, meaning that EJ admitted that the Rafe2 stuff wasn't just about getting Rafe away from his kids or revenge, it was that he hated to see Sami with someone else. So while EJ was with Nicole & Taylor, he still had Sami on his mind, as he always does. The reason why there's always been so much distrust between EJOLE is because Sami's always #1 for EJ. Thankfully Nicole knows this too and she told EJ, it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. Yes, thank you Nicole for finally seeing the light!
Now it's time to see EJAMI together! So excited!!!! :D
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like I said, it all boils down to who you like
I'm not a fan of either pairing(Ejole/EJami) What it boils down to for me is that I didn't see EJ rape Nicole, but I saw him rape Sami. I like EJ as an individual character wreaking havoc, and I find him more tolerable in a romantic sense with Nicole. I see romantic chemistry with EJole, but with Ejami all I see is gross lusting that makes me want to puke. Maybe if it was 20 years later, I wouldn't feel that way about Ejami, but the rape is still fresh for a lot of fans. I think pairing a rape victim with her rapist in this day and age is a complete turn for many viewers. I don't care how many fans Ejami have, there are more fans that don't want to see rape romanticized in the form of EJami imo. There are more? really? and you are in a position to know this how?
I am not interested in rape this, rape that......if a man is condemned for this, he should not be with any woman period, not just the one you are shipping for in another couple!.......but that is just me I guess!
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As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. EJ marrying Nicole and making her stepmother to Sami's kids would certainly piss off Sami more than just having Nicole spend time with them. That was the point of marrying her, not because he wanted to be with her. The Ejole marriage was definitely one of convenience for EJ. Yes, he was attracted to her and wanted to have sex with her, but there was nothing that showed EJ as being in love with Nicole then. Which makes sense since DH's plans at that time were 100% Ejaylor. Obviously MarDar changed direction in the second half of 2011 when they had EJ really fall for Nicole, but it that was not the story in the early part of 2011.
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EJ and Sami's relationship was on a whole different level than EJ and Nicole.......the things EJ did to Sami was matched by the things Sami did to him; the same way the things Nicole did to EJ was matched by what he did to her.......basically an even platform on either side......hurt all the way round, so neither comes out looking better than the other...... They are a bunch of fucked up, dysfunctional people and their relationships reflect that......and I am not going to sugar coat any, she was going to tell him, the bitch only cared about herself........they had moments like this with EJ. and if I remember correctly and I know I do when EJ brought Nicole back into the picture with the whole trancking bracelet thing, his motives was to mess with Sami......it was all about Sami and then in came Taylor. And yes he told her she is the only girl he ever loved, but why is this more believeable than when he said it to Sami and Taylor. To be frank, for the only girl he ever loved, he sure aint doing shit to get her back. A few moments of begging mixed in with him calling her a disease ridden slut, refusing to stay away from Sami and did not even give a moments consideration to move away with her :lol: what are words worth when you refuse to do anything to back it up. and as of right now, Nicole is the woman trying to destroy EJ, while Sami has his back, and I love it! ETA: when it comes to Sami pulling the plug, she did not want to be in that position and her actions were what EJ's own sister Lexie advised!
I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born.
Actually EJ admitted to Chad that the Rafe2 stuff was about Sami. After the Rafe2 fallout Chad confronted EJ and said that EJ did all of the Rafe2 stuff because EJ couldn't stand to see Sami with another man. EJ told Chad that he knows him well, meaning that EJ admitted that the Rafe2 stuff wasn't just about getting Rafe away from his kids or revenge, it was that he hated to see Sami with someone else. So while EJ was with Nicole & Taylor, he still had Sami on his mind, as he always does. The reason why there's always been so much distrust between EJOLE is because Sami's always #1 for EJ. Thankfully Nicole knows this too and she told EJ, it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. Yes, thank you Nicole for finally seeing the light! Now it's time to see EJAMI together! So excited!!!! :D "In my time of need I turn to you, in your time of need, you turn to Sami"
PREACH Nicole, truer words you have never spoken.......Nicole knows the deal.....she point blank told him they could get back together if he left Salem and refused to even consider it, even baiting her to say Sami's name.........
Nicole is keeping EJ's child from him because of Sami; there is no other reason; its selfish but that is Nicole for you!
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Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour.
Golly...how very kind of Nicole. What a pity she's not feeling quite as charitable this time around. Now she is a little mini-Sami - denying EJ his child and insisting to anyone who will listen that she doesn't want their baby raised as 'a DiMera'. I wonder what could have happened between then and now to suddenly make that so appalling? Oh wait...EJ had sex with Sami. That's right.
Maybe we'll all get lucky and Sami will catch on to what Nicole is doing now and do EJ the 'huge favor' in kind while exacting a little revenge of her own.
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I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born.
Actually EJ admitted to Chad that the Rafe2 stuff was about Sami. After the Rafe2 fallout Chad confronted EJ and said that EJ did all of the Rafe2 stuff because EJ couldn't stand to see Sami with another man. EJ told Chad that he knows him well, meaning that EJ admitted that the Rafe2 stuff wasn't just about getting Rafe away from his kids or revenge, it was that he hated to see Sami with someone else. So while EJ was with Nicole & Taylor, he still had Sami on his mind, as he always does. The reason why there's always been so much distrust between EJOLE is because Sami's always #1 for EJ. Thankfully Nicole knows this too and she told EJ, it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. Yes, thank you Nicole for finally seeing the light! Now it's time to see EJAMI together! So excited!!!! :D
"In my time of need I turn to you, in your time of need, you turn to Sami" PREACH Nicole, truer words you have never spoken.......Nicole knows the deal.....she point blank told him they could get back together if he left Salem and refused to even consider it, even baiting her to say Sami's name......... Nicole is keeping EJ's child from him because of Sami; there is no other reason; its selfish but that is Nicole for you! Actually though...Nicole's words weren't true. In her time of need she turned to Brady - thus cutting EJ out of the option to grieve the loss of their baby with her.
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Yes, Nicole lost his baby and Kidnapped Sami's but the baby she kidnapped was EJ's and he got to see his child from birth when, if it was left up to Sami he would not have the opportunity to bond with his child. So, in one sense she did do him a huge favour.
Golly...how very kind of Nicole. What a pity she's not feeling quite as charitable this time around. Now she is a little mini-Sami - denying EJ his child and insisting to anyone who will listen that she doesn't want their baby raised as 'a DiMera'. I wonder what could have happened between then and now to suddenly make that so appalling? Oh wait...EJ had sex with Sami. That's right. Maybe we'll all get lucky and Sami will catch on to what Nicole is doing now and do EJ the 'huge favor' in kind while exacting a little revenge of her own. so much this. Please let it happen writers!
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Actually EJ admitted to Chad that the Rafe2 stuff was about Sami. After the Rafe2 fallout Chad confronted EJ and said that EJ did all of the Rafe2 stuff because EJ couldn't stand to see Sami with another man. EJ told Chad that he knows him well, meaning that EJ admitted that the Rafe2 stuff wasn't just about getting Rafe away from his kids or revenge, it was that he hated to see Sami with someone else. So while EJ was with Nicole & Taylor, he still had Sami on his mind, as he always does. The reason why there's always been so much distrust between EJOLE is because Sami's always #1 for EJ. Thankfully Nicole knows this too and she told EJ, it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. Yes, thank you Nicole for finally seeing the light! Now it's time to see EJAMI together! So excited!!!! :D
"In my time of need I turn to you, in your time of need, you turn to Sami" PREACH Nicole, truer words you have never spoken.......Nicole knows the deal.....she point blank told him they could get back together if he left Salem and refused to even consider it, even baiting her to say Sami's name......... Nicole is keeping EJ's child from him because of Sami; there is no other reason; its selfish but that is Nicole for you!
Actually though...Nicole's words weren't true. In her time of need she turned to Brady - thus cutting EJ out of the option to grieve the loss of their baby with her. lol, right you are; but you know she lives to paint herself as EJ's eternal victim :puke:
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EJ and Sami's relationship was on a whole different level than EJ and Nicole.......the things EJ did to Sami was matched by the things Sami did to him; the same way the things Nicole did to EJ was matched by what he did to her.......basically an even platform on either side......hurt all the way round, so neither comes out looking better than the other...... They are a bunch of fucked up, dysfunctional people and their relationships reflect that......and I am not going to sugar coat any, she was going to tell him, the bitch only cared about herself........they had moments like this with EJ. and if I remember correctly and I know I do when EJ brought Nicole back into the picture with the whole trancking bracelet thing, his motives was to mess with Sami......it was all about Sami and then in came Taylor. And yes he told her she is the only girl he ever loved, but why is this more believeable than when he said it to Sami and Taylor. To be frank, for the only girl he ever loved, he sure aint doing shit to get her back. A few moments of begging mixed in with him calling her a disease ridden slut, refusing to stay away from Sami and did not even give a moments consideration to move away with her :lol: what are words worth when you refuse to do anything to back it up. and as of right now, Nicole is the woman trying to destroy EJ, while Sami has his back, and I love it! ETA: when it comes to Sami pulling the plug, she did not want to be in that position and her actions were what EJ's own sister Lexie advised!
I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born.
how is the Rafe two thing not messing with Sami.......which ever way you look at it, before Taylor came along, EJ was ALL about Sami in one form or the other, Nicole was nothing more than a pawn in his games; and show me a man who would not be fucking pissed that a woman brought another man to his home to fuck around.........lol......there was nothing done out of love for Nicole back then. and EJ has never been all consuming when it came to Nicole, so it is not surprising that he is this way now. Losing Nicole has never made EJ come undone; she just never had that power over him. As for Nicole's actions; its par on course with who she is. This is the woman who gave Rafe the man who treated her like crap the evidence on the Sydnapping, the woman who went to Sami the woman who was ready to bash her head in rather than EJ when she knew EJ wanted Arianna's tape to get his kids.....so her getting evidence on EJ for Rafe goes hand in hand with her past behaviour. and Nicole did give EJ his child, but that was more the luck of the draw.....she was fully content on passing off Mia's as his, when the opportunity arose to make her ruse work even better she grabbed it.....she was even willing to run off with EJ's daughter leaving him in the dark. It has always been about Nicole getting what Nicole wanted first, EJ having his child for those few months was a by product. That is why her actions now is not surprising one but. The use of Dimera name is just for Rafe and Daniel's benefit, her actions are fueled by jealousy of EJ and Sami; knowing she will never be first in his heart, something she proved when she asked him to leave and he refused to. That is exactly what I meant when I mentioned the two Rafe's. He already had plans to mess with Sami. He did not need Nicole to do that. If he wanted to piss Sami off by having the kids in Nicole's life, he did not need Nicole to end her relationship with Brady. She could be in their lives by going in and out of the mansion without the need to end her relationship.
If EJ was just upset that she brought another man in his home and had sex with him. Why not just tell her that he never wants Brady near his home ever again or all deals are off. There would have been no need for a tracking Bracelet. He had instructed her to end her relationship with Brady and she did not. So I am not buying that he was just pissed because another man was in his home.
EJ was also upset when his relationship with Nicole ended. He ended up thinking that she was using him all that time and he did treat her harshly. He was even telling Lexi how much he loved her but, he really became undone when he found out that his Dad knew all along and did not tell him.
Nicole did not hand Rafe the evidence of the kidnapping. He stole it from her through trickery. Nicole and EJ were not together during that period anyway. She was with Brady at the time.
As to her kidnapping EJ's baby, whether it was luck of the draw or not, she went through a lot of effort to make it happen. Yes, Nicole just wanted a baby to replace the one she lost, but she also wanted to keep the family that she always wanted and that included EJ. As I said Nicole's motivation for all her actions were made clear throughout the story.
Nicole may believe that she may not be first in EJ's life but, that is not what the audience saw. What we saw Nicole did not see, the conversation EJ had in regards to her, Nicole did not hear. Stefano knew exactly what was happening, EJ was once again in love with his wife and he did not want that so he took steps to end it. EJ said to him that he was happy, and we know that is true because we saw him happy and in love with Nicole.
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I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born.
how is the Rafe two thing not messing with Sami.......which ever way you look at it, before Taylor came along, EJ was ALL about Sami in one form or the other, Nicole was nothing more than a pawn in his games; and show me a man who would not be fucking pissed that a woman brought another man to his home to fuck around.........lol......there was nothing done out of love for Nicole back then. and EJ has never been all consuming when it came to Nicole, so it is not surprising that he is this way now. Losing Nicole has never made EJ come undone; she just never had that power over him. As for Nicole's actions; its par on course with who she is. This is the woman who gave Rafe the man who treated her like crap the evidence on the Sydnapping, the woman who went to Sami the woman who was ready to bash her head in rather than EJ when she knew EJ wanted Arianna's tape to get his kids.....so her getting evidence on EJ for Rafe goes hand in hand with her past behaviour. and Nicole did give EJ his child, but that was more the luck of the draw.....she was fully content on passing off Mia's as his, when the opportunity arose to make her ruse work even better she grabbed it.....she was even willing to run off with EJ's daughter leaving him in the dark. It has always been about Nicole getting what Nicole wanted first, EJ having his child for those few months was a by product. That is why her actions now is not surprising one but. The use of Dimera name is just for Rafe and Daniel's benefit, her actions are fueled by jealousy of EJ and Sami; knowing she will never be first in his heart, something she proved when she asked him to leave and he refused to.
That is exactly what I meant when I mentioned the two Rafe's. He already had plans to mess with Sami. He did not need Nicole to do that. If he wanted to piss Sami off by having the kids in Nicole's life, he did not need Nicole to end her relationship with Brady. She could be in their lives by going in and out of the mansion without the need to end her relationship. If EJ was just upset that she brought another man in his home and had sex with him. Why not just tell her that he never wants Brady near his home ever again or all deals are off. There would have been no need for a tracking Bracelet. He had instructed her to end her relationship with Brady and she did not. So I am not buying that he was just pissed because another man was in his home. EJ was also upset when his relationship with Nicole ended. He ended up thinking that she was using him all that time and he did treat her harshly. He was even telling Lexi how much he loved her but, he really became undone when he found out that his Dad knew all along and did not tell him. Nicole did not hand Rafe the evidence of the kidnapping. He stole it from her through trickery. Nicole and EJ were not together during that period anyway. She was with Brady at the time. As to her kidnapping EJ's baby, whether it was luck of the draw or not, she went through a lot of effort to make it happen. Yes, Nicole just wanted a baby to replace the one she lost, but she also wanted to keep the family that she always wanted and that included EJ. As I said Nicole's motivation for all her actions were made clear throughout the story. Nicole may believe that she may not be first in EJ's life but, that is not what the audience saw. What we saw Nicole did not see, the conversation EJ had in regards to her, Nicole did not hear. Stefano knew exactly what was happening, EJ was once again in love with his wife and he did not want that so he took steps to end it. EJ said to him that he was happy, and we know that is true because we saw him happy and in love with Nicole. Actually EJ's plan started with bringing in Nicole, Stephano's plan was the Rafe 2; EJ just did not drop his when Stephano introduced the later; it would not have made sense to by then anyway.
and the tracking bracelet was about him showing her that he was in control; he could do to her whatever he wanted; there was no loving feelings at all back then, something reinforced when he sniffed a scarf and was like a bitch in heat panting after her sister.
EJ's biggest reaction was to losing his child; not losing Nicole......he did not even think twice about taking her back. We have seen this man come undone over losing the love of his life or the love of his father and the way he reacts to losing Nicole does not even come close.
and rafe did not steal anything from Nicole through trickery......she willingly gave it to him and you do not need to be a couple to have loyalty, she was already blackmailing EJ and got paid, yet she still threw him down the shaft.
and yes Nicole's motivations were always clear; Nicole cares about Nicole first, whoever gets hurt in the firing line be damned!
Yes the audience is seeing; we are seeing EJ choosing NOT to fight for Nicole, we are seeing EJ choosing to not let Sami go in any capacity........we had EJ say that he was happy with Nicole EVENTUALLY and there is a difference between carving out happiness from what you have and happiness from having what you really want.....Nicole was the never the later and she knew it from the get go.
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Oh great another debate thread about Ej/Nicole/Sami :facepalm: No shit! :shame: Why is any of this stuff being mentioned in a thread that doesn't have Sami or Ejami in it? Is Monday's show really that shitty? Then again, it has Dicole and Ejill in it... :drunk:
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how is the Rafe two thing not messing with Sami.......which ever way you look at it, before Taylor came along, EJ was ALL about Sami in one form or the other, Nicole was nothing more than a pawn in his games; and show me a man who would not be fucking pissed that a woman brought another man to his home to fuck around.........lol......there was nothing done out of love for Nicole back then. and EJ has never been all consuming when it came to Nicole, so it is not surprising that he is this way now. Losing Nicole has never made EJ come undone; she just never had that power over him. As for Nicole's actions; its par on course with who she is. This is the woman who gave Rafe the man who treated her like crap the evidence on the Sydnapping, the woman who went to Sami the woman who was ready to bash her head in rather than EJ when she knew EJ wanted Arianna's tape to get his kids.....so her getting evidence on EJ for Rafe goes hand in hand with her past behaviour. and Nicole did give EJ his child, but that was more the luck of the draw.....she was fully content on passing off Mia's as his, when the opportunity arose to make her ruse work even better she grabbed it.....she was even willing to run off with EJ's daughter leaving him in the dark. It has always been about Nicole getting what Nicole wanted first, EJ having his child for those few months was a by product. That is why her actions now is not surprising one but. The use of Dimera name is just for Rafe and Daniel's benefit, her actions are fueled by jealousy of EJ and Sami; knowing she will never be first in his heart, something she proved when she asked him to leave and he refused to.
That is exactly what I meant when I mentioned the two Rafe's. He already had plans to mess with Sami. He did not need Nicole to do that. If he wanted to piss Sami off by having the kids in Nicole's life, he did not need Nicole to end her relationship with Brady. She could be in their lives by going in and out of the mansion without the need to end her relationship. If EJ was just upset that she brought another man in his home and had sex with him. Why not just tell her that he never wants Brady near his home ever again or all deals are off. There would have been no need for a tracking Bracelet. He had instructed her to end her relationship with Brady and she did not. So I am not buying that he was just pissed because another man was in his home. EJ was also upset when his relationship with Nicole ended. He ended up thinking that she was using him all that time and he did treat her harshly. He was even telling Lexi how much he loved her but, he really became undone when he found out that his Dad knew all along and did not tell him. Nicole did not hand Rafe the evidence of the kidnapping. He stole it from her through trickery. Nicole and EJ were not together during that period anyway. She was with Brady at the time. As to her kidnapping EJ's baby, whether it was luck of the draw or not, she went through a lot of effort to make it happen. Yes, Nicole just wanted a baby to replace the one she lost, but she also wanted to keep the family that she always wanted and that included EJ. As I said Nicole's motivation for all her actions were made clear throughout the story. Nicole may believe that she may not be first in EJ's life but, that is not what the audience saw. What we saw Nicole did not see, the conversation EJ had in regards to her, Nicole did not hear. Stefano knew exactly what was happening, EJ was once again in love with his wife and he did not want that so he took steps to end it. EJ said to him that he was happy, and we know that is true because we saw him happy and in love with Nicole.
Actually EJ's plan started with bringing in Nicole, Stephano's plan was the Rafe 2; EJ just did not drop his when Stephano introduced the later; it would not have made sense to by then anyway. and the tracking bracelet was about him showing her that he was in control; he could do to her whatever he wanted; there was no loving feelings at all back then, something reinforced when he sniffed a scarf and was like a bitch in heat panting after her sister. EJ's biggest reaction was to losing his child; not losing Nicole......he did not even think twice about taking her back. We have seen this man come undone over losing the love of his life or the love of his father and the way he reacts to losing Nicole does not even come close. and rafe did not steal anything from Nicole through trickery......she willingly gave it to him and you do not need to be a couple to have loyalty, she was already blackmailing EJ and got paid, yet she still threw him down the shaft. and yes Nicole's motivations were always clear; Nicole cares about Nicole first, whoever gets hurt in the firing line be damned! Yes the audience is seeing; we are seeing EJ choosing NOT to fight for Nicole, we are seeing EJ choosing to not let Sami go in any capacity........we had EJ say that he was happy with Nicole EVENTUALLY and there is a difference between carving out happiness from what you have and happiness from having what you really want.....Nicole was the never the later and she knew it from the get go. Ok! We disagree!
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I agree that EJ and Nicole are on a completely different level than EJ and Sami. As to the whole tracking bracelet thing, his motive was not only to mess with Sami. He had his plans for Sami with the 2 Rafe's. We saw that it was not just about Sami, even Nicole had to ask him if he was in love with her (Nicole that is) because she could not make any other sense of it. She could have still been in his kids life and still be with Brady and it would have still pissed off Sami. We also saw his face when Vivian brought him those pictures of Brady and Nicole. He was not pleased and then the tracking bracelet idea was born. As for how they both are behaving now, I have no idea, it could be that the writers want more scenes with EJ and Will and EJ and Sami but to get those they have to have EJ is behaving unlike himself and so is Nicole. He wants her back and he tells her so but, he is doing nothing else but telling her what he wants. That is unusual for EJ. Nicole is hiding his baby and saying she does not want the baby to be a dimera, this unusual for Nicole. What happened to the EJ who came up with the idea of a tracking bracelet. Not saying that he should go there again. What happened to the Nicole who did everything to make sure EJ had his kid and had no problem with the Dimera name. I guess they want to go the EJami way, so the idea of griefsex was born.
Actually EJ admitted to Chad that the Rafe2 stuff was about Sami. After the Rafe2 fallout Chad confronted EJ and said that EJ did all of the Rafe2 stuff because EJ couldn't stand to see Sami with another man. EJ told Chad that he knows him well, meaning that EJ admitted that the Rafe2 stuff wasn't just about getting Rafe away from his kids or revenge, it was that he hated to see Sami with someone else. So while EJ was with Nicole & Taylor, he still had Sami on his mind, as he always does. The reason why there's always been so much distrust between EJOLE is because Sami's always #1 for EJ. Thankfully Nicole knows this too and she told EJ, it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. Yes, thank you Nicole for finally seeing the light! Now it's time to see EJAMI together! So excited!!!! :D
"In my time of need I turn to you, in your time of need, you turn to Sami" PREACH Nicole, truer words you have never spoken.......Nicole knows the deal.....she point blank told him they could get back together if he left Salem and refused to even consider it, even baiting her to say Sami's name......... Nicole is keeping EJ's child from him because of Sami; there is no other reason; its selfish but that is Nicole for you! I love this quote but Nicole is insecure.
In his time of need EJ stayed at home in a dark room with a bottle (which was probably the best option).
He didn't turn to Nicole because she had just told him she wanted a divorce which I think he read that as she didn't want to be emotionally involved with him.
He didn't turn to Sami - she turned up in the living room (Dimera security amiss again) and despite being repeatedly asked to leave continued to berate him until he had to fall back on the one technique known to momentarily stop the harping.
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Actually EJ admitted to Chad that the Rafe2 stuff was about Sami. After the Rafe2 fallout Chad confronted EJ and said that EJ did all of the Rafe2 stuff because EJ couldn't stand to see Sami with another man. EJ told Chad that he knows him well, meaning that EJ admitted that the Rafe2 stuff wasn't just about getting Rafe away from his kids or revenge, it was that he hated to see Sami with someone else. So while EJ was with Nicole & Taylor, he still had Sami on his mind, as he always does. The reason why there's always been so much distrust between EJOLE is because Sami's always #1 for EJ. Thankfully Nicole knows this too and she told EJ, it's always Sami, Sami, Sami. Yes, thank you Nicole for finally seeing the light! Now it's time to see EJAMI together! So excited!!!! :D
"In my time of need I turn to you, in your time of need, you turn to Sami" PREACH Nicole, truer words you have never spoken.......Nicole knows the deal.....she point blank told him they could get back together if he left Salem and refused to even consider it, even baiting her to say Sami's name......... Nicole is keeping EJ's child from him because of Sami; there is no other reason; its selfish but that is Nicole for you!
I love this quote but Nicole is insecure. In his time of need EJ stayed at home in a dark room with a bottle (which was probably the best option). He didn't turn to Nicole because she had just told him she wanted a divorce which I think he read that as she didn't want to be emotionally involved with him. He didn't turn to Sami - she turned up in the living room (Dimera security amiss again) and despite being repeatedly asked to leave continued to berate him until he had to fall back on the one technique known to momentarily stop the harping. they did more than fight that night; it started with them holding and comforting each other and like Nicole said 'you slept together because you were sad' lol.......but since then we have seen it be true as well. When EJ found out about Lexie he found himself at Sami's home (to see the kids :) ), when he found out about Stephano he found himself at Sami's home, for Stephano's funeral he basically told Nicole only family was welcome yet Melanie and Sami got to stay with the later comforting him.....and these are just to name a few.
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