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Ratings for the Week of June 25-29, 2012
Topic Started: Jul 6 2012, 08:09 PM (3,663 Views)
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reagon
Jul 9 2012, 10:11 AM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 7 2012, 02:40 PM
This is only the beginning. Right around the last week of June you usually see the numbers begin to tail off and then it's a rollercoaster of highs and lows until September when soaps begin to recover. The next 6-8 weeks should be very ugly for soaps but especially Days and GH, who rely very heavily on young viewers. I know B&B going "younger" has helped them but even B&B lost viewers as the week went on so those younger viewers began to tune out or switch to later DVR viewing as the week progressed, which is understandable given that is around when people begin to take off for summer vacations and everyone begins to be in summer mode. I think B&B will find itself experiencing the same issues the other soaps will this summer, even with the great year they've had. The audience just isn't there in summer.

What B&B has done this year does support what NBC wants Days to do though. B&B built around it's younger set and saw gains. Days did that in 2009 and had sustained gains too until they destroyed everything they built in 2010-2011. Days really needs to bring back some viable younger characters and keep on the most important vets and use them to support the young characters. It's the only direction in recent years that has seemed to work for soaps.
I may be proven wrong but I am betting B&B continues to maintain such as OLTL did last summer.

I also think unlike Days, B&B has a strong younger cast that clicks and is able to carry story, something I have not seen on Days or any other soap in a very very long time. The younger cast is not simply the young storyline, it is the storyline on B&B while Brooke and Ridge have been thankfully moved into supporting roles. Liam, Steffy, Hope and if they ever use him I'll throw Rick in there also. The cross dressing arc with Caroline, Rick, and Amber was also kind of cute and comic relief. I haven't seen the level of talent on Days in their younger cast in many years along with believable chemistry.
OLTL had a HUGE umbrella story focused on the two Todd's last year and it climaxed right in the middle of summer. That is why they did well. And, if you look at it, it only did REALLY well once the big reveals happened in late July/August. The show performed like most soaps did for most of July and for most of August. It was only the weeks of the real Todd revealing himself that the show really saw gains and they lost it very quickly. Also, the show being cancelled helped it's ratings as well. OLTL didn't have any big young story like B&B.

Also, B&B has already had some pretty down weeks this year. It was surging earlier this year and had a period of down weeks only to surge again now. However, they played some pretty big stuff so it's expected they would see gains for this week. As I said, look at the daily numbers. B&B already showed signs of losing viewers already as the week went on. They lost viewers just like everyone else. Even if young viewers are hooked, B&B will see drops. Why? Because it's summer. People don't want to be stuck around the TV. They have vacations and outdoor activities, especially later in the week (hence why you see the lowest numbers later in the week). If they watch, they will DVR and if they do DVR and don't watch it the same day, their viewership will only me measured in the season to date numbers. If they DVR and don't watch until a week or so later (or more), we won't see their viewership counted at all. Hence why I think even if they are firing on all cylinders, they will fall. It's not a reflection on the show. It's a reflection on TV viewing. Just look back at Days in 2009. They had a solid first 6 months of the year but started dropping in late June and had a pretty rotten summer. The show slowly built itself back up in September and then surged again for a few months before March 2010 started bringing awful numbers. If B&B is lucky, they will hold on to even a little of what they have gained this year this summer or, at least, be on par with last year. If they can do that in summer, that is an accomplishment. They can then begin surging again in the Fall when the audience is more accessible.

B&B has the right idea and it's a formula all the soaps need to have. They've done a great job this year but they aren't immune to summer's awful ratings trends. I will be very happy if they prove me wrong but I doubt it.
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Looking at daily numbers is Pointless IMO. I doubt anyone at the network cares what Days does on a Monday vs Friday other than the fact viewing numbers slip over the course of the week. What I am looking at are trends and you can sit back and dish what B&B has done and continue to claim their numbers are down based on a week here or there. What I suspect the networks do is look at trends and B&B is trending upward and has been for months. I'm not sure how you look at the current trend for that show over the past 9 months and compare it to the same 9 months for the year before, see that they've gained, and diminish it saying they are spiraling downward.

By the way OLTL also spiraled downward in fall and winter last year a time I keep hearing is normally up. It wasn't until the final 2 weeks in January they regained and that was totally due to cancellation.
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lysie
Jul 9 2012, 10:37 AM
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Jul 9 2012, 10:32 AM
lysie
Jul 9 2012, 07:21 AM
Days wasn't focused on a younger set in 2009. It was focused then on the same people it's focused on now.
Yeah, it was.

They made Arianna/Brady/Nicole/EJ/Sami/Rafe the center of the show and then formed a really good potential quad in Nathan/Stephanie/Philip/Melanie. They also had Lucas/Chloe/Dan and were building something with Will/Mia/Chad. The show was skewing younger. The vets were no longer being represented as the top tier group. True, Bo/hope/John/Marlena/Steve/Kayla had been backburnered alot in recent years but they were still being touted as the A players. They were no longer being represented as such as 4 of them were fired and the two leftover were pushed to the backburner. Hence, the show went in a younger direction. True, the Sami/Rafe/Nicole/EJ grouping isn't exactly very young but it's younger than the vet grouping of Bo/Hope/Marlena/John and being represented as such.

It doesn't matter anyway. It's all about the STORY. It doesn't matter who is on every day or who keeps getting the same material. If the story is good, it will work. If the story blows chunks, it won't.
I don't see how the age of the cast is any different now except that the "young" people have aged. I agree that it's the story that makes a difference, but trying to say the show was skewin younger then is false, IMO. The show is still focusing on the same characters only they've swapped one twenty something group for an even crappier twenty something group. And the vets weren't getting a whole heck of a lot of focus prior to 2009 anyway. That focus dropped around 2005-2006.
I know Sami/Rafe/EJ/Nicole aren't exactly teens or in their 20's but they were made the central characters on the show as opposed to Bo/Hope/John/Marlena. Even when they were backburnered, the show still made it clear they were the central characters. They pushed them aside and gave the show over to a younger core. And they are younger. Are they noticeably younger? Not really but they are still younger. Then, you had the much younger B story in Philip/Stephanie/Nathan/Melanie. I mean, the show FELT younger and much more vibrant.

I guess it's just a personal perception thing Or, maybe, it just felt more "new" and less predictable at the time. I always describe that year more in that vein than "younger." All I know is I seemed to come across younger people who became fans during that time, some of which became fans because of the Passions gang joining and some, in the case of my niece and a couple of her friends, who started watching because they seemed to think the show was more about younger characters. I still recall my niece walking in on me watching several years before and having no interest. Fast forward to 2009 and she watches a couple segments of Philip/Stephanie and Sami/Rafe and all of a sudden, she's interested and watching every day. Hell, she actually thought Sami was a 20 something character and I had to explain to her she's played as a mid-late 30's character. It's really funny to see how differently people perceive things.
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Jul 9 2012, 10:51 AM
Looking at daily numbers is Pointless IMO. I doubt anyone at the network cares what Days does on a Monday vs Friday other than the fact viewing numbers slip over the course of the week. What I am looking at are trends and you can sit back and dish what B&B has done and continue to claim their numbers are down based on a week here or there. What I suspect the networks do is look at trends and B&B is trending upward and has been for months. I'm not sure how you look at the current trend for that show over the past 9 months and compare it to the same 9 months for the year before, see that they've gained, and diminish it saying they are spiraling downward.

By the way OLTL also spiraled downward in fall and winter last year a time I keep hearing is normally up. It wasn't until the final 2 weeks in January they regained and that was totally due to cancellation.
So, losing viewers throughout a week isn't a trend? Your right, the networks don't care BUT it usually is a pre-cursor to a drop the week after if you lose viewers throughout the week. B&B saw a gain for this week but if it was already losing viewers as the week went, that's not a good sign. People already were tuning out.

I'm not trying to take anything away from B&B. I'm loving the show. They've had a strong first half of 2012 and I think the long-term trend, especially for the Fall, is good. The network should be happy. I'm not trying to diminish all that. I'm just trying to point out that once summer hits, the numbers for soaps get ugly regardless of how good they were doing before or how good they are doing now. A soap could have a huge explosion stunt and I highly doubt it would amount to much beyond maybe one good week at best. Once warm weather hits, people just don't want to be around a TV especially when it comes to soaps that air 5 days a week. Hell, you even see primetime shows struggle in spring with ratings.

As for OLTL last Fall, of course it went down. The two Todd story wrapped up in August. That story was the only reason OLTL saw the summer gains they saw.
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True, the average age of the cast has gone up, but the main issue is that the story lines are dull as dirt. There's nothing happening in Salem except Will's gay.
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PhoenixRising05
Jul 9 2012, 11:02 AM
lysie
Jul 9 2012, 10:37 AM
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Jul 9 2012, 10:32 AM
lysie
Jul 9 2012, 07:21 AM
Days wasn't focused on a younger set in 2009. It was focused then on the same people it's focused on now.
Yeah, it was.

They made Arianna/Brady/Nicole/EJ/Sami/Rafe the center of the show and then formed a really good potential quad in Nathan/Stephanie/Philip/Melanie. They also had Lucas/Chloe/Dan and were building something with Will/Mia/Chad. The show was skewing younger. The vets were no longer being represented as the top tier group. True, Bo/hope/John/Marlena/Steve/Kayla had been backburnered alot in recent years but they were still being touted as the A players. They were no longer being represented as such as 4 of them were fired and the two leftover were pushed to the backburner. Hence, the show went in a younger direction. True, the Sami/Rafe/Nicole/EJ grouping isn't exactly very young but it's younger than the vet grouping of Bo/Hope/Marlena/John and being represented as such.

It doesn't matter anyway. It's all about the STORY. It doesn't matter who is on every day or who keeps getting the same material. If the story is good, it will work. If the story blows chunks, it won't.
I don't see how the age of the cast is any different now except that the "young" people have aged. I agree that it's the story that makes a difference, but trying to say the show was skewin younger then is false, IMO. The show is still focusing on the same characters only they've swapped one twenty something group for an even crappier twenty something group. And the vets weren't getting a whole heck of a lot of focus prior to 2009 anyway. That focus dropped around 2005-2006.
I know Sami/Rafe/EJ/Nicole aren't exactly teens or in their 20's but they were made the central characters on the show as opposed to Bo/Hope/John/Marlena. Even when they were backburnered, the show still made it clear they were the central characters. They pushed them aside and gave the show over to a younger core. And they are younger. Are they noticeably younger? Not really but they are still younger. Then, you had the much younger B story in Philip/Stephanie/Nathan/Melanie. I mean, the show FELT younger and much more vibrant.

I guess it's just a personal perception thing Or, maybe, it just felt more "new" and less predictable at the time. I always describe that year more in that vein than "younger." All I know is I seemed to come across younger people who became fans during that time, some of which became fans because of the Passions gang joining and some, in the case of my niece and a couple of her friends, who started watching because they seemed to think the show was more about younger characters. I still recall my niece walking in on me watching several years before and having no interest. Fast forward to 2009 and she watches a couple segments of Philip/Stephanie and Sami/Rafe and all of a sudden, she's interested and watching every day. Hell, she actually thought Sami was a 20 something character and I had to explain to her she's played as a mid-late 30's character. It's really funny to see how differently people perceive things.
My point is that the focus on that age group wasn't new in 2009. And no, I don't think they're young enough but regardless, thu were focused on long before 2009. The show was skewing younger in the early 2000s. It wasn't even close to skewing young in 2009.
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Jul 9 2012, 10:51 AM
Looking at daily numbers is Pointless IMO. I doubt anyone at the network cares what Days does on a Monday vs Friday other than the fact viewing numbers slip over the course of the week. What I am looking at are trends and you can sit back and dish what B&B has done and continue to claim their numbers are down based on a week here or there. What I suspect the networks do is look at trends and B&B is trending upward and has been for months. I'm not sure how you look at the current trend for that show over the past 9 months and compare it to the same 9 months for the year before, see that they've gained, and diminish it saying they are spiraling downward.

By the way OLTL also spiraled downward in fall and winter last year a time I keep hearing is normally up. It wasn't until the final 2 weeks in January they regained and that was totally due to cancellation.
So, losing viewers throughout a week isn't a trend? Your right, the networks don't care BUT it usually is a pre-cursor to a drop the week after if you lose viewers throughout the week. B&B saw a gain for this week but if it was already losing viewers as the week went, that's not a good sign. People already were tuning out.

I'm not trying to take anything away from B&B. I'm loving the show. They've had a strong first half of 2012 and I think the long-term trend, especially for the Fall, is good. The network should be happy. I'm not trying to diminish all that. I'm just trying to point out that once summer hits, the numbers for soaps get ugly regardless of how good they were doing before or how good they are doing now. A soap could have a huge explosion stunt and I highly doubt it would amount to much beyond maybe one good week at best. Once warm weather hits, people just don't want to be around a TV especially when it comes to soaps that air 5 days a week. Hell, you even see primetime shows struggle in spring with ratings.

As for OLTL last Fall, of course it went down. The two Todd story wrapped up in August. That story was the only reason OLTL saw the summer gains they saw.
I'm sorry but a trend is not up one day,down the next, up the next etc... Unless that weekly trend downward impacts the ratings overall why does it matter?

B&B has been consistant for months. They have had one bad week in the last 2 months and suddenly the show is trending downward. But you proved my point with the 2 Todd story is if there is a compelling story told over the summer people will watch. It's like folks want to make excuses for why shows like GH and Days are in the gutter but with Y&R it's bad writing. B&B can't even catch a break when their trend has been consistency. They are up in the key demos, ratinggs for them from the same time a year ago and suddenly they are dying over the summer. How do you know if the current story won't keep people engaged over the summer the same way OLTLs summer story did last year or GH did the prior summer a bit. I don't know that it will or won't but as the show has beem fairly consistant for a good nine months now, my money is on them. But I guess time will tell.
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And DAYS still sucks regardless.
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I keep hoping Days will get better, but it just keeps getting worse and worse as the days go by. I hate to say it but Days deserves those ratings and lower. :flipoff: It's just one unwatchable clusterfuck of a mess.
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A 1.5...that must be a new low for daily ratings...
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Does anyone else get the feeling that NBC is seriously looking at their daytime and news division? Ann Curry "leaving", a new host and NBC being so involved with Days now? I know that the enitre network is a hot mess but it kind of seems to me that they are taking one part at a time and working with that. I keep thinking that NBC getting involved probably isn't exactly a good thing at this point. If ratings were up, there probably wouldn't even be looking this closely at it. I just think it's odd, that's all....
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This show needs to drop the Sami/EJ crew and bring back The Last Blast Crew. It is an age group that is sorely missed. They are the ones that should be driving the show IMO.
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I don't see how the age of the cast is any different now except that the "young" people have aged. I agree that it's the story that makes a difference, but trying to say the show was skewin younger then is false, IMO. The show is still focusing on the same characters only they've swapped one twenty something group for an even crappier twenty something group. And the vets weren't getting a whole heck of a lot of focus prior to 2009 anyway. That focus dropped around 2005-2006.
I know Sami/Rafe/EJ/Nicole aren't exactly teens or in their 20's but they were made the central characters on the show as opposed to Bo/Hope/John/Marlena. Even when they were backburnered, the show still made it clear they were the central characters. They pushed them aside and gave the show over to a younger core. And they are younger. Are they noticeably younger? Not really but they are still younger. Then, you had the much younger B story in Philip/Stephanie/Nathan/Melanie. I mean, the show FELT younger and much more vibrant.

I guess it's just a personal perception thing Or, maybe, it just felt more "new" and less predictable at the time. I always describe that year more in that vein than "younger." All I know is I seemed to come across younger people who became fans during that time, some of which became fans because of the Passions gang joining and some, in the case of my niece and a couple of her friends, who started watching because they seemed to think the show was more about younger characters. I still recall my niece walking in on me watching several years before and having no interest. Fast forward to 2009 and she watches a couple segments of Philip/Stephanie and Sami/Rafe and all of a sudden, she's interested and watching every day. Hell, she actually thought Sami was a 20 something character and I had to explain to her she's played as a mid-late 30's character. It's really funny to see how differently people perceive things.
My point is that the focus on that age group wasn't new in 2009. And no, I don't think they're young enough but regardless, thu were focused on long before 2009. The show was skewing younger in the early 2000s. It wasn't even close to skewing young in 2009.
Your right but the show felt like it was being held back by the vets. 2009 was the first time the show went in a younger, fresh direction in terms of who was at the center of the show and who was dominating the major stories and stuck with it for a long period of time. I think it needs that again BUT it can't make Rafe/Sami/EJ/Nicole what it was in 2009. They can still be frontburner but it's time to start thinking of them the same way Bo/Hope/John/Marlena were thought of in the early 2000's because they can't keep being central to every major story. What Eric83 said is a good point. If they could bring back the Last Blast crew and maybe throw in the returns of characters like Stephanie, Chelsea, and maybe a new legacy male character like Andrew Donovan that would be ideal. You would then have a good young core and wouldn't have to rely on the Sami/Rafe/Nicole/EJ group to dominate.
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Jul 9 2012, 03:45 PM
This show needs to drop the Sami/EJ crew and bring back The Last Blast Crew. It is an age group that is sorely missed. They are the ones that should be driving the show IMO.
I agree with this 100%.
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Jul 9 2012, 12:05 PM
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Jul 9 2012, 11:09 AM
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Jul 9 2012, 10:51 AM
Looking at daily numbers is Pointless IMO. I doubt anyone at the network cares what Days does on a Monday vs Friday other than the fact viewing numbers slip over the course of the week. What I am looking at are trends and you can sit back and dish what B&B has done and continue to claim their numbers are down based on a week here or there. What I suspect the networks do is look at trends and B&B is trending upward and has been for months. I'm not sure how you look at the current trend for that show over the past 9 months and compare it to the same 9 months for the year before, see that they've gained, and diminish it saying they are spiraling downward.

By the way OLTL also spiraled downward in fall and winter last year a time I keep hearing is normally up. It wasn't until the final 2 weeks in January they regained and that was totally due to cancellation.
So, losing viewers throughout a week isn't a trend? Your right, the networks don't care BUT it usually is a pre-cursor to a drop the week after if you lose viewers throughout the week. B&B saw a gain for this week but if it was already losing viewers as the week went, that's not a good sign. People already were tuning out.

I'm not trying to take anything away from B&B. I'm loving the show. They've had a strong first half of 2012 and I think the long-term trend, especially for the Fall, is good. The network should be happy. I'm not trying to diminish all that. I'm just trying to point out that once summer hits, the numbers for soaps get ugly regardless of how good they were doing before or how good they are doing now. A soap could have a huge explosion stunt and I highly doubt it would amount to much beyond maybe one good week at best. Once warm weather hits, people just don't want to be around a TV especially when it comes to soaps that air 5 days a week. Hell, you even see primetime shows struggle in spring with ratings.

As for OLTL last Fall, of course it went down. The two Todd story wrapped up in August. That story was the only reason OLTL saw the summer gains they saw.
I'm sorry but a trend is not up one day,down the next, up the next etc... Unless that weekly trend downward impacts the ratings overall why does it matter?

B&B has been consistant for months. They have had one bad week in the last 2 months and suddenly the show is trending downward. But you proved my point with the 2 Todd story is if there is a compelling story told over the summer people will watch. It's like folks want to make excuses for why shows like GH and Days are in the gutter but with Y&R it's bad writing. B&B can't even catch a break when their trend has been consistency. They are up in the key demos, ratinggs for them from the same time a year ago and suddenly they are dying over the summer. How do you know if the current story won't keep people engaged over the summer the same way OLTLs summer story did last year or GH did the prior summer a bit. I don't know that it will or won't but as the show has beem fairly consistant for a good nine months now, my money is on them. But I guess time will tell.
Again, I'm not taking ANYTHING away from B&B. They could have a real shitty summer and I would still give them credit because they had a solid first 6 months of the year and likely will have a solid Fall so the year, as a whole, will likely look real good for them when it's done. All I'm saying is that there is an awful track record with soap ratings in summer in recent years. That's all. Soaps used to hook viewers in summer, especially younger viewers. That is how I became a fan in the 80's. However, in the last 5-6 years, summer has become a mess for soaps. The ratings go up and down and some soaps suffer greatly. Days and GH, in particular, seem to suffer the most. I'm just going by the track record. If B&B breaks the trend, great. I'm not saying it's not possible. Stranger things have happened. I just think because they are focusing on a story featuring younger characters, I think chances are they won't break the trend because younger viewers are even less likely to be around a TV in summer and they are clearly aiming their focus at those younger fans. OLTL was smart last year because it's big summer story was focused on older characters. They brought back a fan favorite in Roger Howarth and built an intriguing tale around it. It was the only major soap return in recent years to garner a major ratings rise at some point and clearly it was all because of the story. Plus, alot of older fans came back to see Howarth and you have a better chance at getting older fans to watch in summer than younger fans. That helped OLTL and was key to it seeing success in the summer. That's the irony. Soaps think focusing on younger stories in summer is the way to go and that's been their thinking for decades. However, it seems the better choice now is to focus on stories for older characters in summer since younger fans likely won't bother to watch in summer anyway.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:58 AM
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I know Sami/Rafe/EJ/Nicole aren't exactly teens or in their 20's but they were made the central characters on the show as opposed to Bo/Hope/John/Marlena. Even when they were backburnered, the show still made it clear they were the central characters. They pushed them aside and gave the show over to a younger core. And they are younger. Are they noticeably younger? Not really but they are still younger. Then, you had the much younger B story in Philip/Stephanie/Nathan/Melanie. I mean, the show FELT younger and much more vibrant.

I guess it's just a personal perception thing Or, maybe, it just felt more "new" and less predictable at the time. I always describe that year more in that vein than "younger." All I know is I seemed to come across younger people who became fans during that time, some of which became fans because of the Passions gang joining and some, in the case of my niece and a couple of her friends, who started watching because they seemed to think the show was more about younger characters. I still recall my niece walking in on me watching several years before and having no interest. Fast forward to 2009 and she watches a couple segments of Philip/Stephanie and Sami/Rafe and all of a sudden, she's interested and watching every day. Hell, she actually thought Sami was a 20 something character and I had to explain to her she's played as a mid-late 30's character. It's really funny to see how differently people perceive things.
My point is that the focus on that age group wasn't new in 2009. And no, I don't think they're young enough but regardless, thu were focused on long before 2009. The show was skewing younger in the early 2000s. It wasn't even close to skewing young in 2009.
Your right but the show felt like it was being held back by the vets. 2009 was the first time the show went in a younger, fresh direction in terms of who was at the center of the show and who was dominating the major stories and stuck with it for a long period of time. I think it needs that again BUT it can't make Rafe/Sami/EJ/Nicole what it was in 2009. They can still be frontburner but it's time to start thinking of them the same way Bo/Hope/John/Marlena were thought of in the early 2000's because they can't keep being central to every major story. What Eric83 said is a good point. If they could bring back the Last Blast crew and maybe throw in the returns of characters like Stephanie, Chelsea, and maybe a new legacy male character like Andrew Donovan that would be ideal. You would then have a good young core and wouldn't have to rely on the Sami/Rafe/Nicole/EJ group to dominate.
I don't understand how you can say I'm right and then immediately follow it up with a sentence that completely contradicts what I'm saying.
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Except B&B is not focusing on younger characters for the summer. The show has basically been turned over to the younger cast. Liam, hope, and Steffy have been driving story on this show for over a year now. Caroline and Rick and Amber had a story arc and it looks like Dayzee, Caroline, and Thomas are going to get story. Katie and Bill get less story and Brooke and ridge and Stephanie and Eric the vets are primarily in supporting roles as patriarchs and matriarchs of the show. The show has changed focus from its older to younger cast and it's been that way for a while now just not for the summer. They throw in a few short term stories like the story Crystal Chapprel was brought on for but those stories aren't the drivers for the show.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:02 AM

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My point is that the focus on that age group wasn't new in 2009. And no, I don't think they're young enough but regardless, thu were focused on long before 2009. The show was skewing younger in the early 2000s. It wasn't even close to skewing young in 2009.
Your right but the show felt like it was being held back by the vets. 2009 was the first time the show went in a younger, fresh direction in terms of who was at the center of the show and who was dominating the major stories and stuck with it for a long period of time. I think it needs that again BUT it can't make Rafe/Sami/EJ/Nicole what it was in 2009. They can still be frontburner but it's time to start thinking of them the same way Bo/Hope/John/Marlena were thought of in the early 2000's because they can't keep being central to every major story. What Eric83 said is a good point. If they could bring back the Last Blast crew and maybe throw in the returns of characters like Stephanie, Chelsea, and maybe a new legacy male character like Andrew Donovan that would be ideal. You would then have a good young core and wouldn't have to rely on the Sami/Rafe/Nicole/EJ group to dominate.
I don't understand how you can say I'm right and then immediately follow it up with a sentence that completely contradicts what I'm saying.
I said you were right that the show had been focusing on Sami/EJ/Nicole prior to that. Where I disagreed was that it was different once 2009 came on. Yes, those three still got major focus but there was no safety net of the vets. They weren't there. John and Marlena were gone. Bo and Hope were appearing a few times a month. The show basically handed the spotlight over to those three, Rafe,and a host of younger characters and committed to it. They committed to it because there was no safety net in the form of Bo/Hope and John/Marlena. The show made it evident that they were moving on and that had never happened before.
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Jul 9 2012, 05:29 PM
Except B&B is not focusing on younger characters for the summer. The show has basically been turned over to the younger cast. Liam, hope, and Steffy have been driving story on this show for over a year now. Caroline and Rick and Amber had a story arc and it looks like Dayzee, Caroline, and Thomas are going to get story. Katie and Bill get less story and Brooke and ridge and Stephanie and Eric the vets are primarily in supporting roles as patriarchs and matriarchs of the show. The show has changed focus from its older to younger cast and it's been that way for a while now just not for the summer. They throw in a few short term stories like the story Crystal Chapprel was brought on for but those stories aren't the drivers for the show.
Yes, they have been focusing on them prior to summer but they are clearly STILL going to be focusing on them during the summer, hence my concern. They aren't just going to backburner them. Therefore, because they are still going to do stories focusing on younger characters, I worry the younger fans they have clearly gained in the past 6 months won't be there in summer like they've been. That's all I'm saying. I hope they are and that the show keeps doing well but recent summer ratings patterns don't make it look very promising. If it crashes in summer, it's no big deal. They will recover in Fall as long as they are still telling good story.
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Ok well I don't get that logic. First it's younger people don't just tune in for younger characters therefore B&B will tank. Now it's that B&B are featuring the same characters in the summer they have all year and it's an issue. I can't keep track. Oh well I remain optimistic.
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