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Tuesday, July 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 9 2012, 02:04 PM (9,398 Views)
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This reminds me a lot of when EJ re-proposed to Nicole, right before Rafe burst through the door and everything went to hell in a hand basket.
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Jul 9 2012, 03:38 PM
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Oh, I have said as much. That his arrogance and schmuckiness could be attributed to many things - his youth being one of them. Understandable or no, not something I enjoy watching.

And I agree EJ is not thru with him yet - waiting for the moment that Will's hubris catches up with him....I don't think I have ever wanted EJ to one-up or teach someone a lesson (with the intent of bringing down or maiming) like I want him to with Will.
Will defending EJ doesn't make him arrogant. It showed confidence, which is awesome. Will made some great points while sticking up for EJ.
While EJ's dealing with the witch hunt to convict him of shooting Stefano, it's refreshing to see someone defend him. Go Will!

Will even told EJ the other day that he knows he still has much to learn. Will asking EJ to let him be his right hand man isn't something an arrogant person would do.
An arrogant person thinks they have it all figured out and don't ask others for guidance.
Sure Will gets a kick out of power trips, but he's still young; and he genuinely wants to help EJ right now and continue to learn from him.

Love EJILL :wub:
I never said his defending EJ is what made him arrogant, or desiring to be his right-hand man....it's all highly questionable, but that is not what I am saying is arrogant.

No, he doesn't think he doesn't have more to learn in terms of running an empire like DiMera enterprises. But he thinks he is safe, I think. I think he thinks he as EJ in his pocket, that his blackmail threat has put him on enough of an even playing field that he can say he "owns" EJ. That belief doesn't appear to me to be tempered or peppered with caution.

It is arrogant, or maybe just naive and foolhardy, to think that "EJ is not going to turn on me" or "there is no way literally that he's going to use that information against me again" or to be so sure as to say "I got him where I want him" or that their "understanding" is airtight. That is what I am disliking, and what I kind of totally hope comes back to bite Will.

Anyway, that's how I feel. We'll see what happens, how this relationship evolves or devolves.
Will told EJ he sees them on more of an even playing field in regards to the info they have on each other. I've never had the impression the Will thinks he has EJ in his back pocket.
EJILL equally posture, threaten, & play power games with each other, which makes then fun to watch! It would be boring if Will constantly cowered around EJ. And I think EJ enjoys that about Will too. Clearly EJ enjoys Will's company.

If I had good blackmail info on someone, I'm sure I'd let the power go to me too. It would be weird if I didn't get a little overconfident. Obviously Will loves power and it makes sense for him to have some power trips. We've seen the same behaviour from plenty of other characters anytime they think they've got the upperhand or good info on someone else. But Will doesn't exude a constant arrogant demeanor in my eyes. Perhaps moments of arrogance that would make sense for him to have, yes. And Will didn't get defensive when he was told that he is naive. Will knows he's young and needs to learn. He is just like Sami. Both get in over their heads in situations.

And out of all of the character's facial expressions, whether it's vacant expressions, smug or angry looks, John's arched eyebrow, EJ's blinking, or even just not so great acting by some, I find it humorous that others think Will smiles too much. To each their own though. I don't notice it at all or see any smirks. Chandler's one the show's best actors and I think all of this expressions, smiles, angry, crying or whatever, are fitting to whatever emotion Will is feeling. It's great to see a character with a range of facial expressions as opposed to some that usually have the same limited amount of expressions. I think Chandler has a great smile and I hope he keeps on smiling!
Edited by Ireland98, Jul 9 2012, 04:12 PM.
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if one off screen shipping is accepted as is, then all off screen shipping is going to be......picking and choosing based on what works for the ship has very little credence.
what off screen shipping in regards to Alice saying something about Lumi are you talking about? We SAW Alice on screen give her approval to Lumi...that wasn't off screen.
we did NOT see Alice give approval to LUMI post 2008 breakup.......you were just trying to disregard what we heard from Lexie in the past, yet hold Alice's past words as true forever and ever........consistency is what we need IMO......if one holds up, both do!
Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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what off screen shipping in regards to Alice saying something about Lumi are you talking about? We SAW Alice on screen give her approval to Lumi...that wasn't off screen.
we did NOT see Alice give approval to LUMI post 2008 breakup.......you were just trying to disregard what we heard from Lexie in the past, yet hold Alice's past words as true forever and ever........consistency is what we need IMO......if one holds up, both do!
Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
On screen? No. But apparently she was chatting away with folks off screen until she passed away in 2010.

Kind of like how Lexie was chatting with EJ off screen. :shrug:
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what off screen shipping in regards to Alice saying something about Lumi are you talking about? We SAW Alice on screen give her approval to Lumi...that wasn't off screen.
we did NOT see Alice give approval to LUMI post 2008 breakup.......you were just trying to disregard what we heard from Lexie in the past, yet hold Alice's past words as true forever and ever........consistency is what we need IMO......if one holds up, both do!
Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
well given that she spoke to Lucas about the bracelet she did! LMAO!..........if you are gonna ret-con and people are gonna be picky, cover your bases........or is it ok once it works with your ship?
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we did NOT see Alice give approval to LUMI post 2008 breakup.......you were just trying to disregard what we heard from Lexie in the past, yet hold Alice's past words as true forever and ever........consistency is what we need IMO......if one holds up, both do!
Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
On screen? No. But apparently she was chatting away with folks off screen until she passed away in 2010.

Kind of like how Lexie was chatting with EJ off screen. :shrug:
ok, you said it better than I did! lol
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

emma mia
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Jul 9 2012, 03:32 PM
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we did NOT see Alice give approval to LUMI post 2008 breakup.......you were just trying to disregard what we heard from Lexie in the past, yet hold Alice's past words as true forever and ever........consistency is what we need IMO......if one holds up, both do!
Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
well given that she spoke to Lucas about the bracelet she did! LMAO!..........if you are gonna ret-con and people are gonna be picky, cover your bases........or is it ok once it works with your ship?
Well at least I have something to relate it to......it didn't ALL happen off screen, at least I have that for my ship, lol.
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Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
well given that she spoke to Lucas about the bracelet she did! LMAO!..........if you are gonna ret-con and people are gonna be picky, cover your bases........or is it ok once it works with your ship?
Well at least I have something to relate it to......it didn't ALL happen off screen, at least I have that for my ship, lol.
Lexie had her's onscreen too, you are just choosing to dismiss it! :lol: both are on the same platform whether some choose to accept it or not! lol.....

My dead shipper is worth the same as yours :boobs:
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we did NOT see Alice give approval to LUMI post 2008 breakup.......you were just trying to disregard what we heard from Lexie in the past, yet hold Alice's past words as true forever and ever........consistency is what we need IMO......if one holds up, both do!
Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
On screen? No. But apparently she was chatting away with folks off screen until she passed away in 2010.

Kind of like how Lexie was chatting with EJ off screen. :shrug:
I meant onscreen. There is nothing wrong with having characters talk offscreen if they can't be on camera.

It's not surprising Alice liked Lumi. Who else would she go for?
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Lucas's big huge bad thing that he over hears from Will is him ordering a new car? OMG The horror!

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Will - I feel that all of our conversations are about this


Because they are.
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Did Alice do any talking post 2008?
On screen? No. But apparently she was chatting away with folks off screen until she passed away in 2010.

Kind of like how Lexie was chatting with EJ off screen. :shrug:
I meant onscreen. There is nothing wrong with having characters talk offscreen if they can't be on camera.

It's not surprising Alice liked Lumi. Who else would she go for?
we had Alice's memory used for the EJ/Sami/Rafe triangle in 2010......its NOT special to LUMI, so the answer seems to be Sami's flavor of the month :drunk:
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http://www.nbc.com/days-of-our-lives/video/cheating-the-system-71012/1408909/
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Jul 9 2012, 04:24 PM
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On screen? No. But apparently she was chatting away with folks off screen until she passed away in 2010.

Kind of like how Lexie was chatting with EJ off screen. :shrug:
I meant onscreen. There is nothing wrong with having characters talk offscreen if they can't be on camera.

It's not surprising Alice liked Lumi. Who else would she go for?
we had Alice's memory used for the EJ/Sami/Rafe triangle in 2010......its NOT special to LUMI, so the answer seems to be Sami's flavor of the month :drunk:
They didn't use Alice for Safe. It's pretty hard for them to use Alice for anything having to do with Sami since they didn't interact.
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I meant onscreen. There is nothing wrong with having characters talk offscreen if they can't be on camera.

It's not surprising Alice liked Lumi. Who else would she go for?
we had Alice's memory used for the EJ/Sami/Rafe triangle in 2010......its NOT special to LUMI, so the answer seems to be Sami's flavor of the month :drunk:
They didn't use Alice for Safe. It's pretty hard for them to use Alice for anything having to do with Sami since they didn't interact.
there was a scene in her home with Julie I believe if I am remembering correctly, with Sami remembering something Alice once told her about love.......and it was during the EJ/Sami/Rafe mess in 2010.
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Will defending EJ doesn't make him arrogant. It showed confidence, which is awesome. Will made some great points while sticking up for EJ.
While EJ's dealing with the witch hunt to convict him of shooting Stefano, it's refreshing to see someone defend him. Go Will!

Will even told EJ the other day that he knows he still has much to learn. Will asking EJ to let him be his right hand man isn't something an arrogant person would do.
An arrogant person thinks they have it all figured out and don't ask others for guidance.
Sure Will gets a kick out of power trips, but he's still young; and he genuinely wants to help EJ right now and continue to learn from him.

Love EJILL :wub:
I never said his defending EJ is what made him arrogant, or desiring to be his right-hand man....it's all highly questionable, but that is not what I am saying is arrogant.

No, he doesn't think he doesn't have more to learn in terms of running an empire like DiMera enterprises. But he thinks he is safe, I think. I think he thinks he as EJ in his pocket, that his blackmail threat has put him on enough of an even playing field that he can say he "owns" EJ. That belief doesn't appear to me to be tempered or peppered with caution.

It is arrogant, or maybe just naive and foolhardy, to think that "EJ is not going to turn on me" or "there is no way literally that he's going to use that information against me again" or to be so sure as to say "I got him where I want him" or that their "understanding" is airtight. That is what I am disliking, and what I kind of totally hope comes back to bite Will.

Anyway, that's how I feel. We'll see what happens, how this relationship evolves or devolves.
Will told EJ he sees them on more of an even playing field in regards to the info they have on each other. I've never had the impression the Will thinks he has EJ in his back pocket.
EJILL equally posture, threaten, & play power games with each other, which makes then fun to watch! It would be boring if Will constantly cowered around EJ. And I think EJ enjoys that about Will too. Clearly EJ enjoys Will's company.

If I had good blackmail info on someone, I'm sure I'd let the power go to me too. It would be weird if I didn't get a little overconfident. Obviously Will loves power and it makes sense for him to have some power trips. We've seen the same behaviour from plenty of other characters anytime they think they've got the upperhand or good info on someone else. But Will doesn't exude a constant arrogant demeanor in my eyes. Perhaps moments of arrogance that would make sense for him to have, yes. And Will didn't get defensive when he was told that he is naive. Will knows he's young and needs to learn. He is just like Sami. Both get in over their heads in situations.

And out of all of the character's facial expressions, whether it's vacant expressions, smug or angry looks, John's arched eyebrow, EJ's blinking, or even just not so great acting by some, I find it humorous that others think Will smiles too much. To each their own though. I don't notice it at all or see any smirks. Chandler's one the show's best actors and I think all of this expressions, smiles, angry, crying or whatever, are fitting to whatever emotion Will is feeling. It's great to see a character with a range of facial expressions as opposed to some that usually have the same limited amount of expressions. I think Chandler has a great smile and I hope he keeps on smiling!
Well I dislike the smirks and smiles. Nothing more I can say about that - just the way I dislike a lot of over-used tics on the show -- Sami gasping when she is in the throes of passion, EJ's marble-mouth (man swallows his words so much sometimes) and his blinking indeed, this face Marlena often makes when she is trying to explain something, etc. - they all annoy me. So that is all I am going to say about that.

I do happen to think Will thinks this a bit re: his power position now with EJ - those quotes I quoted are from the write-up, and, although I haven't see them played out just yet, they ring of a cocksureness I happen not to find all that attractive, admirable or entertaining.

I never denied that it made sense for Will to like power, to like going on powertrips, etc. Whether he is justified or not has nothing to do with it. I just never like overconfidence pretty much ever, in any character when they think they have the upper-hand (as you say) and I feel it's just part of a tempting-the-fate kinda trope - the second someone becomes overconfident, I usually always want to see something blow up in their face and see them eat crow. Maybe less so for the characters I am deeply in love with, but I at least cringe when even those characters start to get too cocksure.

But that is just me -overconfident people just tend to piss me off. And this is happening now with Will.

I am not suggesting that Will cower around EJ - my goodness, for weeks I was saying how much I hated that that is all he seemed to be doing, with maybe just the occasional snappy remark. That EJ enjoys Will's company or vice versa is completely irrelevant to me. Doesn't change that I wish Will were acting not quite so satisfied. It's unattractive to me.

I had thought I wanted Will to even the playing field, but now that it's sort of happened (or now that he thinks it's happened), I am less than impressed.

In your eyes Will doesn't exude arrogance; in mine he does, and I am waiting for something to happen (doesn't have to be right away) to make him experience some regret or question some things, etc. The idea of a crisis of conscience like that for Will is more interesting to me than most of what I am seeing with Ejill right now.

So continue to enjoy them - I can understand the attraction, although I disagree with some of it, and I will continue to be less than thrilled and FF thru many of those scenes.
Edited by elci525, Jul 9 2012, 04:31 PM.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Jul 9 2012, 04:25 PM
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I meant onscreen. There is nothing wrong with having characters talk offscreen if they can't be on camera.

It's not surprising Alice liked Lumi. Who else would she go for?
we had Alice's memory used for the EJ/Sami/Rafe triangle in 2010......its NOT special to LUMI, so the answer seems to be Sami's flavor of the month :drunk:
They didn't use Alice for Safe. It's pretty hard for them to use Alice for anything having to do with Sami since they didn't interact.
Remember when they had Sami show up to pay her respects to Alice just before she died...accompanied by EJ, of all people?

Yeah...that wasn't awkward. :lol:
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Jul 9 2012, 04:21 PM
All of us don't have ships...
What?!? Blasphemy!!! Ahem.... some of us have ships in our avis.
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Lucas - Well you know, you start sleeping with your best friend, things can get kind of complicated sometimes. Sami - Yeah. Do you mean good complicated or bad complicated? Lucas - I just need to know that we're on the same page, that's all. And that we're not just friends with benefits.


Good job for addressing what they were showing clear on screen.
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Jul 9 2012, 04:33 PM
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Lucas - Well you know, you start sleeping with your best friend, things can get kind of complicated sometimes. Sami - Yeah. Do you mean good complicated or bad complicated? Lucas - I just need to know that we're on the same page, that's all. And that we're not just friends with benefits.


Good job for addressing what they were showing clear on screen.
I know........its funny because just yesterday in the other thread we were talking about Sami not saying 'I love you' to him since their hook up and then they bring us this with her BFF speech........lol......but we already knew.....haha
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