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Spoilers for the week of July 23rd; *UPDATED 7/17*
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Angie79
Jul 17 2012, 03:47 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something? It could be me because I am a relatively new viewer. Been watching for only the last two years..


But I just don't understand why Will and Sami are so invested in proving EJ's innocence.


It doesn't make sense to me after everything that he has done to their family.
Sami and EJ have been entangled like this for six years now. They're just drawn to each other. Plus, like she said a few days ago, she knows their kids need him.

Who knows on Will. Almost nobody on the show holds grudges anymore.

A thought on Ian -- We know he was meant to have ties to the Dimera family. Clearly the full story didn't air, so that's why we don't know why he's targeting EJ.
They aren't always drawn to each other. She clearly wanted him dead when she shot him in the head and later wanted to pull the plug when he survived the shooting.

As for her saying the kids need him, she just looks stupid saying that. After he "kidnapped" Sydney and faked her death that all should have went out the window. Plus he had a dangerous man (Rafe 2) living with his kids. These characters are idiots! I am not seeing any great love story here.
I think you're missing my point, which is that they're drawn to each other despite all that, and are therefore entangled in a cycle of hurting and helping each other.

EJ is not father of the year, but the kids do need and love him. If she were to decide parents shouldn't be around their kids based on that, she'd have to give all three little ones up for adoption (and someone had better grab Nicole's kid as soon as it slides out). I'm not going to argue that ejami are logical. They're hot and entertaining though, so I'm going with it, just like I happily accept that half the canvas isn't dead, twenty years younger, or in prison like they should be. I can also agree that the story isn't great, but we probably disagree on the reasons that it's lacking.
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Jul 17 2012, 03:56 PM
Angie79
Jul 17 2012, 03:47 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:39 PM
yourstar
Jul 17 2012, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something? It could be me because I am a relatively new viewer. Been watching for only the last two years..


But I just don't understand why Will and Sami are so invested in proving EJ's innocence.


It doesn't make sense to me after everything that he has done to their family.
Sami and EJ have been entangled like this for six years now. They're just drawn to each other. Plus, like she said a few days ago, she knows their kids need him.

Who knows on Will. Almost nobody on the show holds grudges anymore.

A thought on Ian -- We know he was meant to have ties to the Dimera family. Clearly the full story didn't air, so that's why we don't know why he's targeting EJ.
They aren't always drawn to each other. She clearly wanted him dead when she shot him in the head and later wanted to pull the plug when he survived the shooting.

As for her saying the kids need him, she just looks stupid saying that. After he "kidnapped" Sydney and faked her death that all should have went out the window. Plus he had a dangerous man (Rafe 2) living with his kids. These characters are idiots! I am not seeing any great love story here.
I think you're missing my point, which is that they're drawn to each other despite all that, and are therefore entangled in a cycle of hurting and helping each other.

EJ is not father of the year, but the kids do need and love him. If she were to decide parents shouldn't be around their kids based on that, she'd have to give all three little ones up for adoption (and someone had better grab Nicole's kid as soon as it slides out). I'm not going to argue that ejami are logical. They're hot and entertaining though, so I'm going with it, just like I happily accept that half the canvas isn't dead, twenty years younger, or in prison like they should be. I can also agree that the story isn't great, but we probably disagree on the reasons that it's lacking.
I am not saying that Sami should have the kids either. She sucks too. What I am saying is that it doesn't make sense for SAMI to say that the kids need EJ after all he has done that involved the kids. She looks like an idiot. We the viewers can like EJ with the kids, but she shouldn't.

I don't think anything relating to Sami/AS is hot or all that entertaing. I don't ship any couple. If there is chemistry, good acting, and a good story I can be for it. I don't see that with EJ & Sami, Lucas & Sami, or Rafe & Sami. They all suck!
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Jul 17 2012, 03:53 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:42 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something? It could be me because I am a relatively new viewer. Been watching for only the last two years..


But I just don't understand why Will and Sami are so invested in proving EJ's innocence.


It doesn't make sense to me after everything that he has done to their family.
He's innocent and people are trying to send him to prison for something he didn't do. Sami and Will believe in him.

Makes sense to me, especially considering Sami has 2 kids with EJ. I'd expect her to do the same for Lucas too despite
all he has done to her also in the past.

lucas and sami dealt with their past and what they done to each other its was not push under rag like it never happen

sami did not do anything for lucas when lucas went in jail sami did nothing from preventing from lucas going jail
Sami and EJ have dealt with their past as well. Those two NEVER sweep anything under the rug either. They are the king and queen of tit for tat. Sami didn't try to prevent Lucas from going to jail for shooting EJ because she believed he was guilty. He practically shouted (in true McScreamy fashion) from the highest point in Salem (that would probably be the roof of Marlena's penthouse) that he was guilty to take the wrap for Will. If he had been honest with Sami about his innocence like EJ has been, I think it would have been in character for her to try to help him as well.
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Jul 17 2012, 04:17 PM
I don't think anything relating to Sami/AS is hot or all that entertaing.

LOL! :thumbsup:
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Jul 17 2012, 04:26 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:53 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:42 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something? It could be me because I am a relatively new viewer. Been watching for only the last two years..


But I just don't understand why Will and Sami are so invested in proving EJ's innocence.


It doesn't make sense to me after everything that he has done to their family.
He's innocent and people are trying to send him to prison for something he didn't do. Sami and Will believe in him.

Makes sense to me, especially considering Sami has 2 kids with EJ. I'd expect her to do the same for Lucas too despite
all he has done to her also in the past.

lucas and sami dealt with their past and what they done to each other its was not push under rag like it never happen

sami did not do anything for lucas when lucas went in jail sami did nothing from preventing from lucas going jail
Sami and EJ have dealt with their past as well. Those two NEVER sweep anything under the rug either. They are the king and queen of tit for tat. Sami didn't try to prevent Lucas from going to jail for shooting EJ because she believed he was guilty. He practically shouted (in true McScreamy fashion) from the highest point in Salem (that would probably be the roof of Marlena's penthouse) that he was guilty to take the wrap for Will. If he had been honest with Sami about his innocence like EJ has been, I think it would have been in character for her to try to help him as well.
When did Sami become this woman that fights for truth and justice? I'm sorry but the Sami I know and love doesn't care about innocence and guilt unless it gives her the results she wants. Helping EJ with no ulterior motive is unlike Sami. If she doing it to keep her job or is scared of ej blackmailing will it would make a small amount of sense. Not much. But a little. But none of that has been define.

Right now this storyline is out of character for everyone involved. It makes no sense.
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Now that is what I call a cliffhanger! I can't wait to see how all of this unfolds, especially the ejami-related stuff. I know I'm going to tear up watching EJ give his goodbyes to the kids and EJ struggling to hold onto Sami. I'm really interested in the Dicole/Magic stuff as well. I love Dicole's dynamic and it feels like I haven't seen magic in forever.
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Dacole are true magic together!!!! Just like EJami!!!

Should Daniel raise Nicole's baby instead of Rafe?
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Jul 17 2012, 04:17 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:56 PM
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They aren't always drawn to each other. She clearly wanted him dead when she shot him in the head and later wanted to pull the plug when he survived the shooting.

As for her saying the kids need him, she just looks stupid saying that. After he "kidnapped" Sydney and faked her death that all should have went out the window. Plus he had a dangerous man (Rafe 2) living with his kids. These characters are idiots! I am not seeing any great love story here.
I think you're missing my point, which is that they're drawn to each other despite all that, and are therefore entangled in a cycle of hurting and helping each other.

EJ is not father of the year, but the kids do need and love him. If she were to decide parents shouldn't be around their kids based on that, she'd have to give all three little ones up for adoption (and someone had better grab Nicole's kid as soon as it slides out). I'm not going to argue that ejami are logical. They're hot and entertaining though, so I'm going with it, just like I happily accept that half the canvas isn't dead, twenty years younger, or in prison like they should be. I can also agree that the story isn't great, but we probably disagree on the reasons that it's lacking.
I am not saying that Sami should have the kids either. She sucks too. What I am saying is that it doesn't make sense for SAMI to say that the kids need EJ after all he has done that involved the kids. She looks like an idiot. We the viewers can like EJ with the kids, but she shouldn't.

I don't think anything relating to Sami/AS is hot or all that entertaing. I don't ship any couple. If there is chemistry, good acting, and a good story I can be for it. I don't see that with EJ & Sami, Lucas & Sami, or Rafe & Sami. They all suck!
I'm talking about Sami here though, not us. Sami should be the first one to accept that kids even love screwed up parents. It's admittedly not in her nature to extend the same breaks toward others that she gives herself, but it would be highly hypocritical of her to deny that EJ is good with the kids, while thinking that she should have them. She spent years of keeping Lucas away from Will and she has nothing positive to show for it.

As for Sami/AS/Shipping, to each their own. :) I can't say Sami hasn't annoyed me, but she's also been my reason for watching at times.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Angie79
Jul 17 2012, 03:47 PM
six
Jul 17 2012, 03:39 PM
yourstar
Jul 17 2012, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something? It could be me because I am a relatively new viewer. Been watching for only the last two years..


But I just don't understand why Will and Sami are so invested in proving EJ's innocence.


It doesn't make sense to me after everything that he has done to their family.
Sami and EJ have been entangled like this for six years now. They're just drawn to each other. Plus, like she said a few days ago, she knows their kids need him.

Who knows on Will. Almost nobody on the show holds grudges anymore.

A thought on Ian -- We know he was meant to have ties to the Dimera family. Clearly the full story didn't air, so that's why we don't know why he's targeting EJ.
They aren't always drawn to each other. She clearly wanted him dead when she shot him in the head and later wanted to pull the plug when he survived the shooting.

As for her saying the kids need him, she just looks stupid saying that. After he "kidnapped" Sydney and faked her death that all should have went out the window. Plus he had a dangerous man (Rafe 2) living with his kids. These characters are idiots! I am not seeing any great love story here.
The same things can be said for pretty much all of their other romantic interests as well, though. Both Sami and EJ have done shitty things to one another as well as other people they supposedly 'love'. They are both f*cked up at their very core - no question about it. So I don't have any problem believing they are drawn to one another or still love each other despite everything that's happened in the past. Would I buy it in real life? Doubtful. But in soap life? Hell yeah!
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Jul 17 2012, 04:37 PM
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lucas and sami dealt with their past and what they done to each other its was not push under rag like it never happen

sami did not do anything for lucas when lucas went in jail sami did nothing from preventing from lucas going jail
Sami and EJ have dealt with their past as well. Those two NEVER sweep anything under the rug either. They are the king and queen of tit for tat. Sami didn't try to prevent Lucas from going to jail for shooting EJ because she believed he was guilty. He practically shouted (in true McScreamy fashion) from the highest point in Salem (that would probably be the roof of Marlena's penthouse) that he was guilty to take the wrap for Will. If he had been honest with Sami about his innocence like EJ has been, I think it would have been in character for her to try to help him as well.
When did Sami become this woman that fights for truth and justice? I'm sorry but the Sami I know and love doesn't care about innocence and guilt unless it gives her the results she wants. Helping EJ with no ulterior motive is unlike Sami. If she doing it to keep her job or is scared of ej blackmailing will it would make a small amount of sense. Not much. But a little. But none of that has been define.

Right now this storyline is out of character for everyone involved. It makes no sense.
You're right. Sami isn't a defender of truth and justice. She is a self-centered, self-serving brat. She fights for what she wants and she obviously wants EJ hence the bazillion excuses she keeps coming up with to spend time with him. EJ has been clear since the first day he set foot in Salem that he is all about Sami whether it's trying to woo her or move on from her with Nicole. No matter how you spin it, it's all about Sami. It seems to me that this is the first time in a long time that these 2 characters are actually behaving in character and I am thrilled.
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Jul 17 2012, 03:53 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:42 PM
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Jul 17 2012, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something? It could be me because I am a relatively new viewer. Been watching for only the last two years..


But I just don't understand why Will and Sami are so invested in proving EJ's innocence.


It doesn't make sense to me after everything that he has done to their family.
He's innocent and people are trying to send him to prison for something he didn't do. Sami and Will believe in him.

Makes sense to me, especially considering Sami has 2 kids with EJ. I'd expect her to do the same for Lucas too despite
all he has done to her also in the past.

lucas and sami dealt with their past and what they done to each other its was not push under rag like it never happen

sami did not do anything for lucas when lucas went in jail sami did nothing from preventing from lucas going jail
I think EJ and Sami have dealt with their past too.

They have both agreed that they have done horrible things to each other.
Generally their crimes against one another seem to even out.

They are at a moment now where they have decided to try to get along for the sake of their children which they finally seem to have learnt are more important than their ongoing vendettas....

Will one of them break the truce and the whole pattern start again... more than likely. But for the moment they are both trying to support each other as they have realised they will always be tied together by their children and it only hurts the kids when they try to hurt each other.

(I know it has taken 6 years to reach this point but face it lots of people in the real world never get to this point)
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HA! I hope MarDar didn't spend too much time trying to figure out why they were fired!! This is complete garbage! I can't wait for mid August to see how poor Tomsell get themselves out of this mess! It's almost comical!!

Marlene said "they won't let us write what we want to write" OH BOO HOO! Like Stefano always says "You Stupid Idiot!" His words really suit Mar and Dar!! Can you even imagine if those hacks had not been fired?? WOW! What a way to lose what at one time was a great show!

Bye bye EJ/Sami's sick friendship! Bye bye Dan's hooks on Nicole! Bye Bye Rafe having any feelings for Carrie!! Bring on the Lumi/Safe triangle! Ejole is on the way too! I love the tweets we got from Ari, Galen, and of course the Lumi Magic one from Bryan last week!! At least we know there is some intelligence left in Burbank!!
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lucas and sami dealt with their past and what they done to each other its was not push under rag like it never happen

sami did not do anything for lucas when lucas went in jail sami did nothing from preventing from lucas going jail
Sami and EJ have dealt with their past as well. Those two NEVER sweep anything under the rug either. They are the king and queen of tit for tat. Sami didn't try to prevent Lucas from going to jail for shooting EJ because she believed he was guilty. He practically shouted (in true McScreamy fashion) from the highest point in Salem (that would probably be the roof of Marlena's penthouse) that he was guilty to take the wrap for Will. If he had been honest with Sami about his innocence like EJ has been, I think it would have been in character for her to try to help him as well.
When did Sami become this woman that fights for truth and justice? I'm sorry but the Sami I know and love doesn't care about innocence and guilt unless it gives her the results she wants. Helping EJ with no ulterior motive is unlike Sami. If she doing it to keep her job or is scared of ej blackmailing will it would make a small amount of sense. Not much. But a little. But none of that has been define.

Right now this storyline is out of character for everyone involved. It makes no sense.
I think she does have an ulterior motive. She can't have sex with EJ if he's in prison, LOL. Really though, at the end of the day, Sami is hot for EJ and may even love him so she does things for him and forgives him things she wouldn't for other people. I don't think it is any more complex than that.
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Jul 17 2012, 04:46 PM
Dacole are true magic together!!!! Just like EJami!!!

Should Daniel raise Nicole's baby instead of
To answer your question I prefer Dan to raise the baby over Rafe :flipoff: . If I had to choose..hehehe
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Im glad samis dumbass is chasing him for a change. Pathetic ej is a major turnoff
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Who knows what's really going to happen after the show starts back up in August - but I'd bet a whole bunch of peanuts that it won't immediately revert to Safe vs Lumi and EJole reuniting.

JS has mentioned recently that he's worked with AS more the past few months than he has the past few years. He's also mentioned that it's nice running in to AZ in the halls since he hasn't been working with her. BD's quote about no job, no girl, no home has yet to play out.

Whatever changes TomSell make will be gradual...and likely will involve leading up to the return of Kristen and the reveal the Stefano isn't actually dead. Plus we have Eric returning (if the rumors about GV's role are accurate.) I think we may see a significant increase on the focus on Jarlena and by extension their family. They still have to sort out EJ's parentage. I'm looking forward to what's to come - but I'm not convinced it will include much if anything to do with reuniting the same tired pairings they've focused on the past 2 or more years.
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Jul 17 2012, 05:10 PM
HA! I hope MarDar didn't spend too much time trying to figure out why they were fired!! This is complete garbage! I can't wait for mid August to see how poor Tomsell get themselves out of this mess! It's almost comical!!

Marlene said "they won't let us write what we want to write" OH BOO HOO! Like Stefano always says "You Stupid Idiot!" His words really suit Mar and Dar!! Can you even imagine if those hacks had not been fired?? WOW! What a way to lose what at one time was a great show!

Bye bye EJ/Sami's sick friendship! Bye bye Dan's hooks on Nicole! Bye Bye Rafe having any feelings for Carrie!! Bring on the Lumi/Safe triangle! Ejole is on the way too! I love the tweets we got from Ari, Galen, and of course the Lumi Magic one from Lucas last week!! At least we know there is some intelligence left in Burbank!!
In which Rafe would win. ;) . I'm sooo looking forward to after the cliffhanger :cheer:
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Since when does Sami have enough money to post bail for anyone? Glad she's willing to, though. Sounds like Roman is inadvertantly going to shoot his own daughter. Maybe he shouldn't have been so obsessed with taking down E.J.
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Jul 17 2012, 05:12 PM
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Sami and EJ have dealt with their past as well. Those two NEVER sweep anything under the rug either. They are the king and queen of tit for tat. Sami didn't try to prevent Lucas from going to jail for shooting EJ because she believed he was guilty. He practically shouted (in true McScreamy fashion) from the highest point in Salem (that would probably be the roof of Marlena's penthouse) that he was guilty to take the wrap for Will. If he had been honest with Sami about his innocence like EJ has been, I think it would have been in character for her to try to help him as well.
When did Sami become this woman that fights for truth and justice? I'm sorry but the Sami I know and love doesn't care about innocence and guilt unless it gives her the results she wants. Helping EJ with no ulterior motive is unlike Sami. If she doing it to keep her job or is scared of ej blackmailing will it would make a small amount of sense. Not much. But a little. But none of that has been define.

Right now this storyline is out of character for everyone involved. It makes no sense.
I think she does have an ulterior motive. She can't have sex with EJ if he's in prison, LOL. Really though, at the end of the day, Sami is hot for EJ and may even love him so she does things for him and forgives him things she wouldn't for other people. I don't think it is any more complex than that.
Sami is in love and that is why this doesnt make sense? What an easy excuse fir bad writers. Maybe that explanation would work if we had never seen Sami Brady in love. But we have seen her in love and Sami in love is not one who would let a man blackmail her child and still help the man.

And to say a Sami in love forgives easily is basically saying Sami never loved Marlena and John. Because before this version of Sami began six years ago Sami was always struggling to forgive. I guess the Sami I saw 20 years before the vedetta was not the true Sami.
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Jul 17 2012, 05:18 PM
Who knows what's really going to happen after the show starts back up in August - but I'd bet a whole bunch of peanuts that it won't immediately revert to Safe vs Lumi and EJole reuniting.

JS has mentioned recently that he's worked with AS more the past few months than he has the past few years. He's also mentioned that it's nice running in to AZ in the halls since he hasn't been working with her. BD's quote about no job, no girl, no home has yet to play out.

Whatever changes TomSell make will be gradual...and likely will involve leading up to the return of Kristen and the reveal the Stefano isn't actually dead. Plus we have Eric returning (if the rumors about GV's role are accurate.) I think we may see a significant increase on the focus on Jarlena and by extension their family. They still have to sort out EJ's parentage. I'm looking forward to what's to come - but I'm not convinced it will include much if anything to do with reuniting the same tired pairings they've focused on the past 2 or more years.
For the sake of most viewers sanity, I surely hope not.
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