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Spoilers for the week of July 23rd; *UPDATED 7/17*
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 09:43 AM (64,646 Views)
SocRMum1
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Angie79
Jul 19 2012, 03:59 PM
SocRMum1
Jul 19 2012, 03:47 PM
Angie79
Jul 19 2012, 03:44 PM
If the sex is enjoyable and great the audience should know by watching it. I didn't see that with grief sex either during or by their reactions after the fact.

That must be why they gave Sami the dialogue to clarify it during the wine drinking scene.
That's my point though. It it was good, we wouldn't have to be told.
I don't disagree. My point was they seemed to decide sometime before March to write it that the sex was 'so good' - maybe to set up the warm up to the EJami stuff we're seeing now.

If they had played it as being 'great sex' at the time it would not have made sense with where they were taking the story then...both of them trying to hide what happened and save their current relationships. It's not really any different than what we see with other stories changing direction or seeming to be out of sync.

I guess the big question is who decided to change the direction. I'm not sure we'll ever know the answer to that.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

lysie
Jul 19 2012, 04:00 PM
SocRMum1
Jul 19 2012, 03:09 PM
rpmaluki
Jul 19 2012, 02:56 PM
But haven't we been here before? Today certainly isn't the first time sami has warmed to ej it's all a question of what she is willing to do about her 'feelings' or whatever. Who will win out at the end? Will she finally cave and tell him what he's never heard before, will she choose him over Lucas, or even rafe now that he's about to be carrie less. sami has always been attracted to ej, her repulsion has nothing to do with the sex. It is more about his character and the ugliness she sees in him being a Dimera. I mean measure that to J&M this week, sami and ej are a far cry from being like these two.
I've never thought Sami had an issue with who EJ is as a person - but was more concerned about the history between the DiMeras and Bradys and all the ugliness in the past and what her family would think of her if she embraced their relationship. Sami suffered quite a lot as a child due to Stefano so it made sense to me that she was completely knocked for a loop when she found out that EJ was Stefano's son and not EJ Wells. Then 12/29 happened and EJ was a right prick to her for the months following that - so I understand why she fought so hard against her feelings and the attraction. Now that everyone believes EJ is not a DiMera (we'll see how long that sticks) it removes what in my opinion was the number one roadblock to Sami giving in to her feelings.
The problem is that Sami has never seed about what her family thought about her choices in men, ad that includes a previous DiMera.



I've always thought Sami was the biggest hypocrite in Salem. That was her defined role for years.
Damnit - I can't come up with anything witty for "Sami has never seed". Where are you, Tom Sawyer?? :toetap:

She never used to seem to care about what her family thought but when they introduced the whole (brace yourself) vendetta storyline it was suddenly ALL Sami seemed to care about. And that always played to me as the crux of what prevented her from giving in to or even allowing herself to explore her feelings for EJ.
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Hmm...there's some details conveniently missing from EJ and Sami's past...the Sydnapping, the shot in the head, EJ putting Fafe in her bed and raping her? I think she would have a bit of trouble being able to get past that...yet, its never discussed. Funny, but she's "over" that and she cant get past Marlena's so-called sins?!?

Oh, its nice to be pimped and the past ignored :sarcasm:
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Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:08 PM
Hmm...there's some details conveniently missing from EJ and Sami's past...the Sydnapping, the shot in the head, EJ putting Fafe in her bed and raping her? I think she would have a bit of trouble being able to get past that...yet, its never discussed. Funny, but she's "over" that and she cant get past Marlena's so-called sins?!?

Oh, its nice to be pimped and the past ignored :sarcasm:
I don't think it's missing, just they don't discuss it on a daily basis. They did bring it up when Sami found out about Will shooting EJ, a few months back. Does anyone discuss their crimes daily?

Seeing Marlena and John she will never let that go, she was a child. It's how she was raised and has so much resentment based on ruining her family life and upbringing. That she was sent away with Eric etc.. She'd forgive EJ's crimes and Lucas's crimes, Rafe's crimes all before Marlena. That's never going away.
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brazen
Jul 19 2012, 04:14 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:08 PM
Hmm...there's some details conveniently missing from EJ and Sami's past...the Sydnapping, the shot in the head, EJ putting Fafe in her bed and raping her? I think she would have a bit of trouble being able to get past that...yet, its never discussed. Funny, but she's "over" that and she cant get past Marlena's so-called sins?!?

Oh, its nice to be pimped and the past ignored :sarcasm:
I don't think it's missing, just they don't discuss it on a daily basis. They did bring it up when Sami found out about Will shooting EJ, a few months back. Does anyone discuss their crimes daily?

Seeing Marlena and John she will never let that go, she was a child. It's how she was raised and has so much resentment based on ruining her family life and upbringing. That she was sent away with Eric etc.. She'd forgive EJ's crimes and Lucas's crimes, Rafe's crimes all before Marlena. That's never going away.
you really EJ's crimes to lucas its took years for sami for forgiving lucas something its was not the case with ej its just never mention again like it never happen
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brazen
Jul 19 2012, 04:14 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:08 PM
Hmm...there's some details conveniently missing from EJ and Sami's past...the Sydnapping, the shot in the head, EJ putting Fafe in her bed and raping her? I think she would have a bit of trouble being able to get past that...yet, its never discussed. Funny, but she's "over" that and she cant get past Marlena's so-called sins?!?

Oh, its nice to be pimped and the past ignored :sarcasm:
I don't think it's missing, just they don't discuss it on a daily basis. They did bring it up when Sami found out about Will shooting EJ, a few months back. Does anyone discuss their crimes daily?

Seeing Marlena and John she will never let that go, she was a child. It's how she was raised and has so much resentment based on ruining her family life and upbringing. That she was sent away with Eric etc.. She'd forgive EJ's crimes and Lucas's crimes, Rafe's crimes all before Marlena. That's never going away.
Its ALWAYS missing...but I'm not going to debate with you about it. When you ship EJ and Sami, or any couple, there's always a bias.
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The writers want us to forget about their history but jump at every chance to throw lumi's history in our face. Nicole keeps yelling about the miscarriage and the sydnapping like it happened yesterday and there is no way on this earth those crimes are greater than what ej did to sami or vice versa.

They are being pimped to high heaven and I refuse to pretend like they don't have an ugly history when I am reminded almost daily of the faults of their other respective pairings.

She can she not forgive her own family and move on but she can with the guy that raped her then twice by proxy in a nano second. Lucas who cares more for her well being than any other person alive is somehow second class. Screw scamanther jean, she is not worth his efforts. All these warnings he is giving her and his son are falling on deaf ears for a purpose.....he deserves better and I would rather watch him find true happiness else where than watch him continue to throw his pearls to the pigs!
Edited by NikiLani, Jul 19 2012, 04:34 PM.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

I don't think their past gets ignored - Sami's whole speech today was about how they are 'bad together' because of the way they hurt each other and other people when they get within 10 feet of each other. She made a reference last week to having tried to pull off the perfect murder.

I agree that anyone who ships a couple has a bias - both toward their couple and against any other that stands in the way of theirs.
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Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:23 PM
brazen
Jul 19 2012, 04:14 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:08 PM
Hmm...there's some details conveniently missing from EJ and Sami's past...the Sydnapping, the shot in the head, EJ putting Fafe in her bed and raping her? I think she would have a bit of trouble being able to get past that...yet, its never discussed. Funny, but she's "over" that and she cant get past Marlena's so-called sins?!?

Oh, its nice to be pimped and the past ignored :sarcasm:
I don't think it's missing, just they don't discuss it on a daily basis. They did bring it up when Sami found out about Will shooting EJ, a few months back. Does anyone discuss their crimes daily?

Seeing Marlena and John she will never let that go, she was a child. It's how she was raised and has so much resentment based on ruining her family life and upbringing. That she was sent away with Eric etc.. She'd forgive EJ's crimes and Lucas's crimes, Rafe's crimes all before Marlena. That's never going away.
Its ALWAYS missing...but I'm not going to debate with you about it. When you ship EJ and Sami, or any couple, there's always a bias.
When things are missing, it's not brought up or spoken about on the show at all. It's missing. EJ shooting John, now that's missing.

Sami shooting EJ was brought up recently more than once. So it's not missing. The Sydneynapping was also brought up when Johnny was missing. None of these things were thrown under the rug to never be heard about again. It's not the case when it's brought up in dialog between them.

Oh I agree on the bias.

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rpmaluki
Jul 19 2012, 04:32 PM
The writers want us to forget about their history but jump at every chance to throw lumi's history in our face. Nicole keeps yelling about the miscarriage and the sydnapping like it happened yesterday and there is no way on this earth those crimes are greater than what ej did to sami or vice versa.

They are being pimped to high heaven and I refuse to pretend like they don't have an ugly history when I am reminded almost daily of the faults of their other respective pairings.

She can she not forgive her own family and move on but she can with the guy that raped her then twice by proxy in a nano second. Lucas who cares more for her well being than any other person alive is somehow second class. Screw scamanther jean, she is not worth his efforts. All these warnings he is giving her and his son are falling on deaf ears for a purpose.....he deserves better and I would rather watch him find true happiness else where than watch him continue to throw his pearls to the pigs!
Its not only the writers that forget ;)

Sami acts like she's a teen and the boy asked her out to the movies...
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brazen
Jul 19 2012, 04:43 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:23 PM
brazen
Jul 19 2012, 04:14 PM
Liz<3Days
Jul 19 2012, 04:08 PM
Hmm...there's some details conveniently missing from EJ and Sami's past...the Sydnapping, the shot in the head, EJ putting Fafe in her bed and raping her? I think she would have a bit of trouble being able to get past that...yet, its never discussed. Funny, but she's "over" that and she cant get past Marlena's so-called sins?!?

Oh, its nice to be pimped and the past ignored :sarcasm:
I don't think it's missing, just they don't discuss it on a daily basis. They did bring it up when Sami found out about Will shooting EJ, a few months back. Does anyone discuss their crimes daily?

Seeing Marlena and John she will never let that go, she was a child. It's how she was raised and has so much resentment based on ruining her family life and upbringing. That she was sent away with Eric etc.. She'd forgive EJ's crimes and Lucas's crimes, Rafe's crimes all before Marlena. That's never going away.
Its ALWAYS missing...but I'm not going to debate with you about it. When you ship EJ and Sami, or any couple, there's always a bias.
When things are missing, it's not brought up or spoken about on the show at all. It's missing. EJ shooting John, now that's missing.

Sami shooting EJ was brought up recently more than once. So it's not missing. The Sydneynapping was also brought up when Johnny was missing. None of these things were thrown under the rug to never be heard about again. It's not the case when it's brought up in dialog between them.

Oh I agree on the bias.

So she apologized for shooting him and regretful? Did they mention EJ laughing at her while she was being raped by Fafe? Yeah, didnt laugh at that one with the wine ;)

Bias...it in there...but we'll just have to disagree...
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I honestly stopped caring about what sami does with herself. It's these poor men I feel sorry for the most. Please exclude rafe from that group. My dream that these writers would at least be realistic in their writing went out the window years ago. I just kept holding on because of wonderfully created characters who despite their faults were well rounded for is to care about their daily activities and relationships. now all we have is cheap parlour tricks that ruin the very same characters unnecessarily. With great writing I would be willing to entertain some of this crap but tiic have made it impossible.

I honestly want to believe that TomSell will no doubt fix some of the problems we have faced over the years but I will have wait and see like the rest of you. If nothing changes for the better, I won't waste any more of my time clinging onto this sinking ship. It is sinking and fast too.
Edited by NikiLani, Jul 19 2012, 05:08 PM.
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Jul 19 2012, 04:03 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 03:58 PM
It was vile for about three and a half months after the act then BAM! It was great a hot second later. There was nothing justifying the change. And I will say it again only sami called it great!
Elvis sure didn't disagree.
And if he did, I don't think he'd be putting so much effort into convincing her to go for round four.

On Sami's wishes for EJ - she told EJ that he didn't want to change. She knows it and she still wants him.
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brazen
Jul 19 2012, 04:14 PM
Seeing Marlena and John she will never let that go, she was a child. It's how she was raised and has so much resentment based on ruining her family life and upbringing. That she was sent away with Eric etc.. She'd forgive EJ's crimes and Lucas's crimes, Rafe's crimes all before Marlena. That's never going away.
She was 15, it's not "how she was raised". She was raised in a loving, caring, protective home by Marlena then by John. Roman (her precious, beloved "daddy") sent them to Colorado when Marlena was missing (kidnapped by Stella), which considering that there were threats to her mother and father - thus by extension her, was the safer choice (the only thing Roman did FOR his family after his return).

I wish they'd actually have Marlena tell Sami that once. If Winston's supposed to be Roman, how about you back up the mother of your child and tell her it was your choice?
Edited by The Room Stops, Jul 19 2012, 05:12 PM.
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Sami will forgive Rafe, EJ, Lucas, whatever, because she can't work on them to get what she wants. They don't feel guilty about it. Marlena does. So Sami uses it to get things. Money, things, attention, have someone to lash out at.
Edited by The Room Stops, Jul 19 2012, 05:14 PM.
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When they mentioned the sydnapping it was because they were accusing or suspecting ej of doing the same with johnny. They never talked about it, to clear the air so to speak. The shooting was swept swiftly under the rug just like the Will shooting. None of the people involved in this story line actually talked about why they resorted to such extremes. It was mentioned in passing almost like a weather report. it meant nothing because if it did, we would see a very different sami than the one trying to prove her tormentor's innocence. The Roberts/horton family would be plotting to take down that non Dimera and so forth but of course that can't be because how else are you going to get ej and sami to sleep together? they have already tried grief sex and every other non romantic scenarios in the past this cliffhanger was probably MarDar's chance to tip us over completely only they got fired.
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SocRMum1
Jul 19 2012, 04:04 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 03:59 PM
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If the sex is enjoyable and great the audience should know by watching it. I didn't see that with grief sex either during or by their reactions after the fact.

That must be why they gave Sami the dialogue to clarify it during the wine drinking scene.
That's my point though. It it was good, we wouldn't have to be told.
I don't disagree. My point was they seemed to decide sometime before March to write it that the sex was 'so good' - maybe to set up the warm up to the EJami stuff we're seeing now.

If they had played it as being 'great sex' at the time it would not have made sense with where they were taking the story then...both of them trying to hide what happened and save their current relationships. It's not really any different than what we see with other stories changing direction or seeming to be out of sync.

I guess the big question is who decided to change the direction. I'm not sure we'll ever know the answer to that.
It could never have played as "great" sex though because of the circumstances of thinking Johnny had died, but that doesnt mean the actual sex didn't feel good.

Cuz it probably felt great. Come on.

Sex with EJ's got to be right up there with winning the lottery.

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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

rpmaluki
Jul 19 2012, 05:17 PM
When they mentioned the sydnapping it was because they were accusing or suspecting ej of doing the same with johnny. They never talked about it, to clear the air so to speak. The shooting was swept swiftly under the rug just like the Will shooting. None of the people involved in this story line actually talked about why they resorted to such extremes. It was mentioned in passing almost like a weather report. it meant nothing because if it did, we would see a very different sami than the one trying to prove her tormentor's innocence. The Roberts/horton family would be plotting to take down that non Dimera and so forth but of course that can't be because how else are you going to get ej and sami to sleep together? they have already tried grief sex and every other non romantic scenarios in the past this cliffhanger was probably MarDar's chance to tip us over completely only they got fired.
It's really no different than EJole having a chuckle over him cheating on her with her sister over a glass of champagne. That was probably enough for their fans - but not so much for others.

We're all willing to give more leeway to our favorites but then hold the couples we dislike to a much higher standard. I feel like EJ spilled his guts to her when she found out about the Sydnapping - he told her why he did what he did and how terrible he felt about it afterward. Clearly it had little to no impact considering what she did later - but he did apologize and beg her forgiveness. It would do my EJami loving heart a world of good to see the same sort of thing come from Sami regarding the shooting but whether it ever happens seems unlikely. And if it did, I'd bet my house no matter how well it was written or acted it would not be enough for everyone across the board.
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Jul 18 2012, 11:49 PM
I would love it if as he holds on to her after the first explosion while thinking if I'mmo die at least let me get this off my chest.....while EJ struggles to get a firm grip....she cries out ILY to which he pulls her up slightly so she's close enough to see the smirk on his face and close enough to hear him say "this is for my wife and unborn child" and releases her as we watch the utter shock on her face that Elvis could ever do such a thing (he's thinking, b*itch you put a bullet in my brain, just returning the favour) as she plunges deeper into that black hole so very much like her character, while Will and/or Roman scream out variations of NOOOOOOO or SAMIIIIIIIIII or MOMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

Sweet!

This is my 2c.....Drop her Elvis, DROP THAT COW!


that would be compelling... except ej does not seem to give 2 shit about his almost ex-wife and soon to die unborn child these days. i do like the part about sami confessing her love for ej though. i think it might just happen that way...except ej will be crying of joy and then be completely devastated when sami slips away from his hand. very soapy....
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Jul 19 2012, 03:14 PM

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It's hard to imagine EJami keep circling one another for the great sex - given that they've only knocked boots 3 times in 6 years. :laugh:
And wasn't it only enjoyable ONE time?
I don't know...I had the impression they enjoyed the last two. The first one...not so much.
EJ didn't look so happy with the last time..

I've seen his happy post sex face and that wasn't it.

I don't want to start a fire but he seemed happier with the first time.
Edited by concerned, Jul 19 2012, 09:14 PM.
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