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Spoilers for the week of July 23rd; *UPDATED 7/17*
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 09:43 AM (64,644 Views)
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Jul 19 2012, 11:22 PM
lysie
Jul 19 2012, 10:57 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 10:55 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 03:44 PM
If the sex is enjoyable and great the audience should know by watching it. I didn't see that with grief sex either during or by their reactions after the fact.

This is kind of subjective, isn't it? I mean obviously you aren't going to say you found it enjoyable if you hate the characters/pairing. So some people thought it was hot, including Sami since her words were "the sex was so good". I never found EJole or Safe sex to look enjoyable either but I'm sure some fans loved it and I'm sure there was dialogue where the characters made a positive reference too. I mean I've yet to see a scene where a characterrolls over after sex and says "Wow! You really suck at that! I can't believe I got a bikini wax for this!" :eyeroll: These are pointless arguments.
Whether or not it's enjoyable to the audience is subjective. Whether or not it's enjoyable to the characters shouldn't be. They didn't look like they enjoyed it at the time. When the first changes started, they changed their minds. Whether or not it was hot has nothing to do with whether or not the characters enjoyed it. But initially both characters talked about it like they didn't even remember it.
That's just it. I thought it looked like they enjoyed it. I thought it looked like they enjoyed it on an intense, raw, animalistic level. It wasn't romantic, it was just to seek pleasure and release as a way to numb pain.
Maybe. But they definitely said the opposite. Until one of the writing shifts that was happening every three months.
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Jul 19 2012, 11:12 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 10:03 PM
I don't understand what the dispute is. JS himself has said Sami is his character's big love in life, and he plays his character as such. There's no big mystery there, and it's been obvious on screen.

No doubt, EJ and Nicole are hot; I find them to be a very sexy couple. But it's just getting pathetic how many times she's tolerated coming in second place to Sami, and, as a Nicole fan, I think she deserves better.
I agree with all of this except the EJole being hot part. :) Seperately as individuals I find them hot, yes, but together they don't do it for me. It could very well be because I am, and always will be, a die-hard EJami, but I just don't feel it with them. To each his own.
Anyhow, I'm not so sure I would say Nicole DESERVES better, because frankly, the real Nicole is a scheming bitch and I HATE it when they make her play that whiny, slobbering, "feel sorry for poor me" crap, but I do WANT her to have better. I want her to have someone that loves her more than anyone else. I think that is Brady, although Eric may be a possibility as well. For EJ, Sami is, and always has been, first choice, and for me, I feel like Nicole should have more self respect. It was one thing when she was scheming trying to steal EJ, but after being with him and then talking about how she knew he was always thinking of Sami first, I was insulted for her! Oh honey, if I thought for a nano second that my man had another woman on his mind and settled for me because he couldn't have her, that would be my cue to kick up dust! So yeah, you're right that she should have better, but I could make the same argument for Lucas...well....except that I don't like Lucas so I don't care if he gets better or not. lol
For me the writing was on the wall for ejole when EJ call out Sami's name while they :censored: in the elevator. :offs: I knew after that what kind of relationship that was going to be and is. I also don't give a damn about shouty Mcyellerson..
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Ej looked anything but happy that he was doing Sami the look on his face after Will slammed the door killed whatever happy mood he may have been. I have seen EJ enjoy sex in every which way possible but not that night.

Didn't EJ/Nicole have some nice and rough sexy times when there were no more secrets between the two? Their idea of sex as a weapon was 1000000000000x sexy than anything I have ever seen on this show. It was seriously sizzling!
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Jul 19 2012, 03:46 AM
This right here is I why I will not ever care for the pairing of Ej/Sami because in order to make the pairing work this is what happens to Ej's character:


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And really I don't care who Ej's first choice is, but if Sami is considered Ej's first choice after raping, torturing, kidnapping her kid among other things I'd rather Nicole not even been on the list at all.

And since Ej had no problem doing all those things to Sami, I think attempting to murder her wouldn't be that unbelievable. Not that I think it will happen because MarDar were all about trashing any and all characters/pairings to make this one pairing work. But in all honesty it wouldn't be out of character for Ej to do something like this. Anything beats a pathetic whipped puppy hitting on the woman who shot him in the head. :shame:
If all EJ is, is a raping, kidnapping, murderous, violent man then he shouldnt be with any woman, especially one with Nicole's self worth issues. So yeah, Nicole should be off the list in that case.

I don't think that's who EJ is at all. The characters change and evolve. They have to because they've all done bad things. In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
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Whether or not it's enjoyable to the audience is subjective. Whether or not it's enjoyable to the characters shouldn't be. They didn't look like they enjoyed it at the time. When the first changes started, they changed their minds. Whether or not it was hot has nothing to do with whether or not the characters enjoyed it. But initially both characters talked about it like they didn't even remember it.
That's just it. I thought it looked like they enjoyed it. I thought it looked like they enjoyed it on an intense, raw, animalistic level. It wasn't romantic, it was just to seek pleasure and release as a way to numb pain.
Maybe. But they definitely said the opposite. Until one of the writing shifts that was happening every three months.
Oh yes I agree with that. They acted downright disgusted with themselves, which I think they were. But you can be disgusted with yourself for enjoying something you shouldn't. I've been there. :embarrassed: lol
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Jul 19 2012, 03:46 AM
This right here is I why I will not ever care for the pairing of Ej/Sami because in order to make the pairing work this is what happens to Ej's character:


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And really I don't care who Ej's first choice is, but if Sami is considered Ej's first choice after raping, torturing, kidnapping her kid among other things I'd rather Nicole not even been on the list at all.

And since Ej had no problem doing all those things to Sami, I think attempting to murder her wouldn't be that unbelievable. Not that I think it will happen because MarDar were all about trashing any and all characters/pairings to make this one pairing work. But in all honesty it wouldn't be out of character for Ej to do something like this. Anything beats a pathetic whipped puppy hitting on the woman who shot him in the head. :shame:
If all EJ is, is a raping, kidnapping, muderius, violent man then he shouldnt be with any woman, especially one with Nicole's self worth issues. So yeah, Nicole should be off the list in that case.

I don't think that's who EJ is at all. The characters change and evolve. They have to because they've all done bad things. In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
Sorry. I just think this is flat out untrue. It's been nearly 20 years, and J&M's affair still comes up. And I"m glad. Caroline's affair was outed onscreen almost 30 years ago, and it's still mentioned. Marlena shot Stefano 26 years ago. Still mentioned. Jack raped Kayla over 20 years ago, and they still mention it and have tension in their scenes. Sami's paternity lies were 15 years ago, and they're still mentioned. Alice helped break Roman out of jail 18 years ago, and it was mentioned at her funeral and even a few months ago. Jack left town 20 years ago, and he still gets grief for it. Moving on only takes away what makes these characters special and keeps stories from making sense. It keeps them from having believable connections with people in town. It keeps the angst at a minimum. Moving on does no one any favors. These things happened. We watched it. If it can't be used, it was a waste of our time. If history can go back as far as some of these characters' stuff still does, then EJ can take it. It should be a part of who he is. That doesn't mean he can't overcome it. That doesn't mean Sami can't overcome it. But it should be a big part of who they are as individuals and as a couple if that ever happens. Mostly ignoring it and not letting other's relationships be affected by it has chipped away at everything that made the character stand out. Yes, the show is moving on, but that's not a good thing. They're doing it because they're lazy, not because they know what works.

And us...Sami has tried to kill other unconscious people before. That wasn't something new for her. ;)
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No one moved from it unless you ignore it and that's what's happened with Sami. It also makes no sense since she a fuckin pitbull towards her own family members' sins. Sins that didnt even apply to her.
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Jul 19 2012, 11:33 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 03:46 AM
This right here is I why I will not ever care for the pairing of Ej/Sami because in order to make the pairing work this is what happens to Ej's character:


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And really I don't care who Ej's first choice is, but if Sami is considered Ej's first choice after raping, torturing, kidnapping her kid among other things I'd rather Nicole not even been on the list at all.

And since Ej had no problem doing all those things to Sami, I think attempting to murder her wouldn't be that unbelievable. Not that I think it will happen because MarDar were all about trashing any and all characters/pairings to make this one pairing work. But in all honesty it wouldn't be out of character for Ej to do something like this. Anything beats a pathetic whipped puppy hitting on the woman who shot him in the head. :shame:
If all EJ is, is a raping, kidnapping, muderius, violent man then he shouldnt be with any woman, especially one with Nicole's self worth issues. So yeah, Nicole should be off the list in that case.

I don't think that's who EJ is at all. The characters change and evolve. They have to because they've all done bad things. In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
Change? Continuing this Ej/Sami drama doesn't add any growth for Ej's character at all. In fact it feels like we are back at the same spot we were 5/6 years ago. Ej pursuing a woman that lusts after him but who constantly wants someone else over him and can't seem to utter the words I love you makes him look very pathetic. Not only does this drag Ej's character down each time they try this, he seems to lose more fans everytime this happens.

And as for Nicole not being made for Ej. I feel she is very much so. :wub:

Another reason Ej/Sami turn me off as a pairing is the violent things they have done to each other. I can't get over Ej sending another man to sleep with Sami while laughing about it. Then we had Sami shooting Ej in the head and never once showing an ounce of remorse and that really bothers me. There's been no remorse over either incident and instead we have them become BFFs overnight without dealing with anything. :shame:
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Jul 19 2012, 11:44 PM
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This right here is I why I will not ever care for the pairing of Ej/Sami because in order to make the pairing work this is what happens to Ej's character:


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And really I don't care who Ej's first choice is, but if Sami is considered Ej's first choice after raping, torturing, kidnapping her kid among other things I'd rather Nicole not even been on the list at all.

And since Ej had no problem doing all those things to Sami, I think attempting to murder her wouldn't be that unbelievable. Not that I think it will happen because MarDar were all about trashing any and all characters/pairings to make this one pairing work. But in all honesty it wouldn't be out of character for Ej to do something like this. Anything beats a pathetic whipped puppy hitting on the woman who shot him in the head. :shame:
If all EJ is, is a raping, kidnapping, muderius, violent man then he shouldnt be with any woman, especially one with Nicole's self worth issues. So yeah, Nicole should be off the list in that case.

I don't think that's who EJ is at all. The characters change and evolve. They have to because they've all done bad things. In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
Sorry. I just think this is flat out untrue. It's been nearly 20 years, and J&M's affair still comes up. And I"m glad. Caroline's affair was outed onscreen almost 30 years ago, and it's still mentioned. Marlena shot Stefano 26 years ago. Still mentioned. Jack raped Kayla over 20 years ago, and they still mention it and have tension in their scenes. Sami's paternity lies were 15 years ago, and they're still mentioned. Alice helped break Roman out of jail 18 years ago, and it was mentioned at her funeral and even a few months ago. Jack left town 20 years ago, and he still gets grief for it. Moving on only takes away what makes these characters special and keeps stories from making sense. It keeps them from having believable connections with people in town. It keeps the angst at a minimum. Moving on does no one any favors. These things happened. We watched it. If it can't be used, it was a waste of our time. If history can go back as far as some of these characters' stuff still does, then EJ can take it. It should be a part of who he is. That doesn't mean he can't overcome it. That doesn't mean Sami can't overcome it. But it should be a big part of who they are as individuals and as a couple if that ever happens. Mostly ignoring it and not letting other's relationships be affected by it has chipped away at everything that made the character stand out. Yes, the show is moving on, but that's not a good thing. They're doing it because they're lazy, not because they know what works.

And us...Sami has tried to kill other unconscious people before. That wasn't something new for her. ;)
I didn't say ignore it, I said you have to keep moving on, because there are new stories to tell. Because of the nature of the genre, they all do shitty things. The audience has to suspend a lot of reality to believe most of these people would still be interacting with each other at all. That relationships still exist at all between some of these people is rediculous. Thanksgiving conversations would be things like, Roman to Marlena, "Remember that time you killed me? That was a hoot."

The audience at large isn't hung up on all the things these people have done being a reason they shouldn't even interact. In reality, the mere fact that EJ has tried to choke Nicole, or Lucas helped Kate dump Sami over a cliff, would be enough reason for them to never speak again. Look what Lexie did to Hope with Zack and they were best friends after that. It would never happen in reality. But in a soap, you have to accept the fact Hope and Lexie can still be besties, even if you mention the past. And they did mention many times that Lexie raised Zach as a baby. If you don't move on and forgive with Lexie and Hope, you can't watch and enjoy the show. Doug and Julie had a terrible start, now they are the cute old couple who exemplify marriage perfection. Yes, we know historically these things happened, but we can't dwell on them or expect the characters to have restraining orders against each other like they should. You can't tell a story then. The characters go through redemptive story arcs, or not. Sometimes a year or so passes and all is forgiven, and we move on to the next SL.

EJ and Sami are the only ones who get their past brought up in every thread where their names are mentioned across the Internet. I don't see anybody tweeting about the reasons other characters shouldn't be in the same room together.
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Jul 19 2012, 03:46 AM
This right here is I why I will not ever care for the pairing of Ej/Sami because in order to make the pairing work this is what happens to Ej's character:


Spoiler: click to toggle


And really I don't care who Ej's first choice is, but if Sami is considered Ej's first choice after raping, torturing, kidnapping her kid among other things I'd rather Nicole not even been on the list at all.

And since Ej had no problem doing all those things to Sami, I think attempting to murder her wouldn't be that unbelievable. Not that I think it will happen because MarDar were all about trashing any and all characters/pairings to make this one pairing work. But in all honesty it wouldn't be out of character for Ej to do something like this. Anything beats a pathetic whipped puppy hitting on the woman who shot him in the head. :shame:
If all EJ is, is a raping, kidnapping, muderius, violent man then he shouldnt be with any woman, especially one with Nicole's self worth issues. So yeah, Nicole should be off the list in that case.

I don't think that's who EJ is at all. The characters change and evolve. They have to because they've all done bad things. In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
Sorry. I just think this is flat out untrue. It's been nearly 20 years, and J&M's affair still comes up. And I"m glad. Caroline's affair was outed onscreen almost 30 years ago, and it's still mentioned. Marlena shot Stefano 26 years ago. Still mentioned. Jack raped Kayla over 20 years ago, and they still mention it and have tension in their scenes. Sami's paternity lies were 15 years ago, and they're still mentioned. Alice helped break Roman out of jail 18 years ago, and it was mentioned at her funeral and even a few months ago. Jack left town 20 years ago, and he still gets grief for it. Moving on only takes away what makes these characters special and keeps stories from making sense. It keeps them from having believable connections with people in town. It keeps the angst at a minimum. Moving on does no one any favors. These things happened. We watched it. If it can't be used, it was a waste of our time. If history can go back as far as some of these characters' stuff still does, then EJ can take it. It should be a part of who he is. That doesn't mean he can't overcome it. That doesn't mean Sami can't overcome it. But it should be a big part of who they are as individuals and as a couple if that ever happens. Mostly ignoring it and not letting other's relationships be affected by it has chipped away at everything that made the character stand out. Yes, the show is moving on, but that's not a good thing. They're doing it because they're lazy, not because they know what works.

And us...Sami has tried to kill other unconscious people before. That wasn't something new for her. ;)
I didn't say ignore it, I said you have to keep moving on, because there are new stories to tell. Because of the nature of the genre, they all do shitty things. The audience has to suspend a lot of reality to believe most of these people would still be interacting with each other at all. That relationships still exist at all between some of these people is rediculous. Thanksgiving conversations would be things like, Roman to Marlena, "Remember that time you killed me? That was a hoot."

The audience at large isn't hung up on all the things these people have done being a reason they shouldn't even interact. In reality, the mere fact that EJ has tried to choke Nicole, or Lucas helped Kate dump Sami over a cliff, would be enough reason for them to never speak again. Look what Lexie did to Hope with Zack and they were best friends after that. It would never happen in reality. But in a soap, you have to accept the fact Hope and Lexie can still be besties, even if you mention the past. And they did mention many times that Lexie raised Zach as a baby. If you don't move on and forgive with Lexie and Hope, you can't watch and enjoy the show. Doug and Julie had a terrible start, now they are the cute old couple who exemplify marriage perfection. Yes, we know historically these things happened, but we can't dwell on them or expect the characters to have restraining orders against each other like they should. You can't tell a story then. The characters go through redemptive story arcs, or not. Sometimes a year or so passes and all is forgiven, and we move on to the next SL.

EJ and Sami are the only ones who get their past brought up in every thread where their names are mentioned across the Internet. I don't see anybody tweeting about the reasons other characters shouldn't be in the same room together.
They are absolutely not the only ones. All of the examples I gave have been in recent threads and are mentioned pretty regularly. Maybe it's in conversations you choose not to take part in or pay attention to but it happens. EJ and Sami are not the only ones whose pasts are brought up here. If you don't see other people tweeting about why people shouldn't be in the same room, you must not following a variety of people. Just today I saw why safe, dicole, ejami, ejole, cafe, elope (which made me laugh), carbo, John and izzy, shelle, phelle, shimi, shayla, danloe, ericole, chill, and sonny/will shouldn't share space.

The other things you brought up are also referenced on both the show and this board. Most things that are dropped on the show are complained about here. There's no point in bringing up the "audience at large.". They're not here to respond and both of us can make up anything we want about them and it be just as legit. I personally don't believe these morons exist. At least not in the way they're discussed on the Internet.

But none of that is really the point. The show may want us to move on, but that's not good storytelling and it's flat out wrong that EVERY body has moved on from those stories. They're still mentioned and referenced on the show. Again, if those characters can take it, EJ could too. It would make him less generic and would be more compelling all the way around.

But also, you can forgive and not move on completely. Jack and Kayla are a perfect example, and so is your example of Lexie/Hope. I'm not asking to keep ejami apart because of this stuff. I don't care if they get together or not. I'm just asking to incorporate it into their current story to give it more layers and make it more compelling. Moving on cheapens their history and takes away from who they are as characters.
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Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
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Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
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Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
I know she didn't do it but at the time they did, people need to reference that JER shyte. Melas wen, come on! Stefano created a replica town w a force field and nobody ever mentions that.? " remember when we all woke up in Salem but it was tropical and we were wearing Tiki shirts?" " good times"
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Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
I know she didn't do it but at the time they did, people need to reference that JER shyte. Melas wen, come on! Stefano created a replica town w a force field and nobody ever mentions that.? " remember when we all woke up in Salem but it was tropical and we were wearing Tiki shirts?" " good times"
I really think it would be awesome if it were the town joke, lol. Or "remember the time two aliens landed here?" There's a TON of things I wish they'd mention more. The more recent history is my biggest pet peeve because it.just.happened so it should still be fresh, but I've had lists of stuff like this for years. I do think the last decade or so has been the worst about it, though. They've been okay at bringing up way back history, but they can't seem to handle their own regime's history. Back when I still liked Nicole, it drove me crazy that there wasn't more tension after the baby switch between her and Sami. I realize there was some, but there wasn't nearly enough considering what happened.
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In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
Sorry. I just think this is flat out untrue. It's been nearly 20 years, and J&M's affair still comes up. And I"m glad. Caroline's affair was outed onscreen almost 30 years ago, and it's still mentioned. Marlena shot Stefano 26 years ago. Still mentioned. Jack raped Kayla over 20 years ago, and they still mention it and have tension in their scenes. Sami's paternity lies were 15 years ago, and they're still mentioned. Alice helped break Roman out of jail 18 years ago, and it was mentioned at her funeral and even a few months ago. Jack left town 20 years ago, and he still gets grief for it. Moving on only takes away what makes these characters special and keeps stories from making sense. It keeps them from having believable connections with people in town. It keeps the angst at a minimum. Moving on does no one any favors. These things happened. We watched it. If it can't be used, it was a waste of our time. If history can go back as far as some of these characters' stuff still does, then EJ can take it. It should be a part of who he is. That doesn't mean he can't overcome it. That doesn't mean Sami can't overcome it. But it should be a big part of who they are as individuals and as a couple if that ever happens. Mostly ignoring it and not letting other's relationships be affected by it has chipped away at everything that made the character stand out. Yes, the show is moving on, but that's not a good thing. They're doing it because they're lazy, not because they know what works.

And us...Sami has tried to kill other unconscious people before. That wasn't something new for her. ;)
I didn't say ignore it, I said you have to keep moving on, because there are new stories to tell. Because of the nature of the genre, they all do shitty things. The audience has to suspend a lot of reality to believe most of these people would still be interacting with each other at all. That relationships still exist at all between some of these people is rediculous. Thanksgiving conversations would be things like, Roman to Marlena, "Remember that time you killed me? That was a hoot."

The audience at large isn't hung up on all the things these people have done being a reason they shouldn't even interact. In reality, the mere fact that EJ has tried to choke Nicole, or Lucas helped Kate dump Sami over a cliff, would be enough reason for them to never speak again. Look what Lexie did to Hope with Zack and they were best friends after that. It would never happen in reality. But in a soap, you have to accept the fact Hope and Lexie can still be besties, even if you mention the past. And they did mention many times that Lexie raised Zach as a baby. If you don't move on and forgive with Lexie and Hope, you can't watch and enjoy the show. Doug and Julie had a terrible start, now they are the cute old couple who exemplify marriage perfection. Yes, we know historically these things happened, but we can't dwell on them or expect the characters to have restraining orders against each other like they should. You can't tell a story then. The characters go through redemptive story arcs, or not. Sometimes a year or so passes and all is forgiven, and we move on to the next SL.

EJ and Sami are the only ones who get their past brought up in every thread where their names are mentioned across the Internet. I don't see anybody tweeting about the reasons other characters shouldn't be in the same room together.
They are absolutely not the only ones. All of the examples I gave have been in recent threads and are mentioned pretty regularly. Maybe it's in conversations you choose not to take part in or pay attention to but it happens. EJ and Sami are not the only ones whose pasts are brought up here. If you don't see other people tweeting about why people shouldn't be in the same room, you must not following a variety of people. Just today I saw why safe, dicole, ejami, ejole, cafe, elope (which made me laugh), carbo, John and izzy, shelle, phelle, shimi, shayla, danloe, ericole, chill, and sonny/will shouldn't share space.

The other things you brought up are also referenced on both the show and this board. Most things that are dropped on the show are complained about here. There's no point in bringing up the "audience at large.". They're not here to respond and both of us can make up anything we want about them and it be just as legit. I personally don't believe these morons exist. At least not in the way they're discussed on the Internet.

But none of that is really the point. The show may want us to move on, but that's not good storytelling and it's flat out wrong that EVERY body has moved on from those stories. They're still mentioned and referenced on the show. Again, if those characters can take it, EJ could too. It would make him less generic and would be more compelling all the way around.

But also, you can forgive and not move on completely. Jack and Kayla are a perfect example, and so is your example of Lexie/Hope. I'm not asking to keep ejami apart because of this stuff. I don't care if they get together or not. I'm just asking to incorporate it into their current story to give it more layers and make it more compelling. Moving on cheapens their history and takes away from who they are as characters.
You made some excellent points. One being that I do have a more limited view of this board than you do, and there are threads I avoid totally, and i normally only visit a thread here once, maybe twice. The other is I would like to see EJ and Sami hash through some of their past, which I've said many times, but don't know if I mentioned it here.

The audience at large dies exist. I'm related to a bunch of then. Their lack of obvession with the show frustrates the hell out of me. They discuss it like its no big deal, and right in front of me. The nerve!
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Jul 20 2012, 12:42 AM
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Jul 20 2012, 12:40 AM
Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
Sami referenced the possession SL when she was arguing with Marlena. It was priceless.
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Jul 20 2012, 12:49 AM
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Jul 20 2012, 12:42 AM
mer4santo
Jul 20 2012, 12:40 AM
Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
I know she didn't do it but at the time they did, people need to reference that JER shyte. Melas wen, come on! Stefano created a replica town w a force field and nobody ever mentions that.? " remember when we all woke up in Salem but it was tropical and we were wearing Tiki shirts?" " good times"
See, now that's funny!
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Jul 19 2012, 10:55 PM
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Jul 19 2012, 03:44 PM
If the sex is enjoyable and great the audience should know by watching it. I didn't see that with grief sex either during or by their reactions after the fact.

This is kind of subjective, isn't it? I mean obviously you aren't going to say you found it enjoyable if you hate the characters/pairing. So some people thought it was hot, including Sami since her words were "the sex was so good". I never found EJole or Safe sex to look enjoyable either but I'm sure some fans loved it and I'm sure there was dialogue where the characters made a positive reference too. I mean I've yet to see a scene where a characterrolls over after sex and says "Wow! You really suck at that! I can't believe I got a bikini wax for this!" :eyeroll: These are pointless arguments.
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she didn't think Fake Rafe was up to the task.
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Jul 20 2012, 12:18 AM
I didn't say ignore it, I said you have to keep moving on, because there are new stories to tell. Because of the nature of the genre, they all do shitty things. The audience has to suspend a lot of reality to believe most of these people would still be interacting with each other at all. That relationships still exist at all between some of these people is rediculous. Thanksgiving conversations would be things like, Roman to Marlena, "Remember that time you killed me? That was a hoot."

The audience at large isn't hung up on all the things these people have done being a reason they shouldn't even interact. In reality, the mere fact that EJ has tried to choke Nicole, or Lucas helped Kate dump Sami over a cliff, would be enough reason for them to never speak again. Look what Lexie did to Hope with Zack and they were best friends after that. It would never happen in reality. But in a soap, you have to accept the fact Hope and Lexie can still be besties, even if you mention the past. And they did mention many times that Lexie raised Zach as a baby. If you don't move on and forgive with Lexie and Hope, you can't watch and enjoy the show. Doug and Julie had a terrible start, now they are the cute old couple who exemplify marriage perfection. Yes, we know historically these things happened, but we can't dwell on them or expect the characters to have restraining orders against each other like they should. You can't tell a story then. The characters go through redemptive story arcs, or not. Sometimes a year or so passes and all is forgiven, and we move on to the next SL.

EJ and Sami are the only ones who get their past brought up in every thread where their names are mentioned across the Internet. I don't see anybody tweeting about the reasons other characters shouldn't be in the same room together.
I couldn't have said this better. Change is a part of the soap world. Characters need to be allowed to grow, not forever hemmed in.
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