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Jul 20 2012, 11:30 AM
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Ej is the one who said she did everything to give him a child now she is doing everything to take one away from him, not an exact quote of course but this is their last conversation together in his apartment. I was talking about Nicole's misdeeds not being whitewashed not her reasons for doing them.
Nicole is not the only one whose deeds are brought up. Before grief sex EJAMI ran through their listing, just last week Sami talked about her murder attempt and from spoilers she is going to make up for that deed in a big way. Brazen, she is not just keeping the child because of the sex, she is going it because EJ loves Sami more, and puts Sami first every chance he gets; prety darn selfish! Yes, she is selfish. No question about it. But, it's a little hard to make her the villain in this play, all things considered.
I don't think Nicole's history gets whitewashed and, amazingly, I think the writers have done a pretty good job of using that history to layer the character. With Sami, it's been more of a roller coaster. Sometimes it is brought up, sometimes it is forgotten. But it sort of doesn't matter because Sami never acknowledges she ever did anything wrong anyway. It's always someone else's fault.
EJ's history has been, IMO, whitewashed a bazillion times. Even when they pay lip service to it, it still gets whitewashed. Since the show has decided he can't really be that bad of a guy, they keep trying to straddle some weird line and it never works. These days I just find him to be an annoying asshat. I long for the days when he was hot and sweevil.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:33 AM
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Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:36 AM
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Ej is the one who said she did everything to give him a child now she is doing everything to take one away from him, not an exact quote of course but this is their last conversation together in his apartment. I was talking about Nicole's misdeeds not being whitewashed not her reasons for doing them.
Nicole is not the only one whose deeds are brought up. Before grief sex EJAMI ran through their listing, just last week Sami talked about her murder attempt and from spoilers she is going to make up for that deed in a big way. Brazen, she is not just keeping the child because of the sex, she is going it because EJ loves Sami more, and puts Sami first every chance he gets; prety darn selfish!
Yes, she is selfish. No question about it. But, it's a little hard to make her the villain in this play, all things considered. I don't think Nicole's history gets whitewashed and, amazingly, I think the writers have done a pretty good job of using that history to layer the character. With Sami, it's been more of a roller coaster. Sometimes it is brought up, sometimes it is forgotten. But it sort of doesn't matter because Sami never acknowledges she ever did anything wrong anyway. It's always someone else's fault. EJ's history has been, IMO, whitewashed a bazillion times. Even when they pay lip service to it, it still gets whitewashed. Since the show has decided he can't really be that bad of a guy, they keep trying to straddle some weird line and it never works. These days I just find him to be an annoying asshat. I long for the days when he was hot and sweevil. nothing is at the point where we have villains in this sl; but she is the wrong one, no matter how much she plays up the whoa is me for Rafe and Daniel. Why doesn't she tell them the truth instead of pretending it is about the Dimera lifestyle?
Sami is Sami; lives in denial, but it is talked about; Nicole has cast herself in the role of the eternal victim, there are no layers there IMO!
As for EJ, loving him more than ever right now, so I disagree!
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Jul 20 2012, 11:41 AM
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Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on. Nicole commited a crime, was found guilty by the legal system not just EJ's opinion. There is no comparison between trying to put EJ in jail because you want to punish him for loving Sami more and Nicole being put in jail for kidnapping Sydney twice IMO!
Talk, scream and him morph into EJ Choke a Bitch Dimera is the way I remember it; unless he has no other alternative and Sami is once again not an option is the only way he ever comes to get sex from her. I mean the two previous times (before Mar/Dar) the ONLY reason EJ let Nicole back into his life was because of Sami in some form or fashion, using her not revelling with her JMO!
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Jul 20 2012, 11:42 AM
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Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on. Yep...EJ loves it when Nicki has schemed....since the beginning. And if she really wanted gone, then she knows about EJ's pension plan scheme to frame John. She could have gotten the documents and given them to Rafe. He would have gone to jail.
And "running through a list," is not discussing EJ and Sami past. That's one huge component of why this pairing fails. They want the audience to accept them when they hated each other less then 6 months ago.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:46 AM
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Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on.
Yep...EJ loves it when Nicki has schemed....since the beginning. And if she really wanted gone, then she knows about EJ's pension plan scheme to frame John. She could have gotten the documents and given them to Rafe. He would have gone to jail. And "running through a list," is not discussing EJ and Sami past. That's one huge component of why this pairing fails. They want the audience to accept them when they hated each other less then 6 months ago. Just about everyone knows about the pension scheme and given Nicole's actions if she had the opportunity to get the proof she would.
EJ spent so much time punishing Nicole for her stuff, I am not seeing the 'like' in it at all. Sure he was amused by the mayor stuff, but that is nothing to everything that went down over the last four years, things he tried to kill her for, threatened to throw her out for, set a pre-requisite on their marriage for. No fun and games which is why Nicole was always so insecure and desperate.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:55 AM
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously. And please know I never ever want to see these two in a relationship of any kind except one of loathing and hatred for the duration of the show. The writers have failed to justify their bff status that happened over night, on top of ignoring things that could help build them as well rounded characters. I feel I am left with paper cut outs that are supposed to fit some fantasy dreamed up by MarDar this time round. I don't care much for what I see and I doubt I ever will since good writing for soaps went extinct years ago.
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Jul 20 2012, 12:38 PM
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Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on.
Yep...EJ loves it when Nicki has schemed....since the beginning. And if she really wanted gone, then she knows about EJ's pension plan scheme to frame John. She could have gotten the documents and given them to Rafe. He would have gone to jail. And "running through a list," is not discussing EJ and Sami past. That's one huge component of why this pairing fails. They want the audience to accept them when they hated each other less then 6 months ago. Nicole trying to put Ej in jail was pretty half assed anyway. Nicole has been down right brilliant and sneaky when she wants to get something done. She barely lifted a finger to get Ej in trouble. It could be bad writing but I think it is because her heart is not in it. As for Ej and beast it is just unbelievable two seconds ago they loathed each other and with good reason the horror show that has been their relationship (thats not fair to horror I love horror) is something I can't ever get over.
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Jul 20 2012, 12:40 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously. That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug:
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Jul 20 2012, 12:58 PM
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously. And please know I never ever want to see these two in a relationship of any kind except one of loathing and hatred for the duration of the show. The writers have failed to justify their bff status that happened over night, on top of ignoring things that could help build them as well rounded characters. I feel I am left with paper cut outs that are supposed to fit some fantasy dreamed up by MarDar this time round. I don't care much for what I see and I doubt I ever will since good writing for soaps went extinct years ago. You said it all beautifully! :hail: I agree 100 percent.
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Jul 20 2012, 01:56 PM
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously.
That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug: Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been.
It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her.
When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in.
He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance.
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Jul 20 2012, 02:01 PM
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Ignoring history is part of what makes all the newer characters utterly baseless and boring to me.
Shadow, you know people who watch Days? The only person I can talk with (outside of message boards) about the current show is my mom. My friends know of characters like Kayla, Jack, Roman, Marlena, Stefano, but they don't know who EJ is, and they don't have any desire to look into it. What I can't figure out is that Days actually still has around two million viewers. I find that difficult to believe. Is it just that it's on in all the rest homes or something?
I know several people that watch and none of them ever mentions a character under 40 except for Carrie. They mention Sami in only past tense. And they're all in the target demographic. And none of them has a clue I even watch, so they definitely don't know who I like or don't like. But the vast majority of the time, they end up talking about the nineties. Austin/Carrie/Sami, the secret room, Vivian/Victor/Kate, death row, lady in a cage, Mike/Carrie, Eric's beauty...and this is all without my 90s loving self's input. The last time I remember them truly being interested was in 2008 when that misleading headline about Bo saying goodbye came out. My grandma, mom and aunt watch, as does one of my cousins. It's a family tradition, though as I said, they aren't into it as much as I am. They do know current storyline but honestly they pretty much accept what they see on screen at any time, which I understand since that's how I am with any other TV show.
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Jul 20 2012, 02:10 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously.
That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug:
Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been. It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her. When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in. He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance. Sorry - I just don't see it that way. I don't recall any heart to heart between EJole about the baby switch/Sydnapping. EJ was pissed for a long time...and then he seemed to magically get over it. Nicole may have wimpered a few lines about wanting him to raise his baby that Sami was going to hide from him (and man oh man...there's some irony in THAT now, isn't there? :rolleyes: ) but it certainly was no deep discussion. I don't recall them ever discussing EJ trying to kill her the night of his busted up wedding. I don't remember any conversation about making her wear a tracking bracelet. And the Taylor thing? I don't consider a "what were you thinking?" and basically a shrug and a chuckle in response from him the type of convo that sets things straight and forges a new beginning.
I get that it was enough for their fans. Just like I'm happy to go with the conversations that EJami have had about what's happened between them in the past. It's all part of our own personal biases - and no couple/fan base is immune to it.
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Jul 20 2012, 03:09 PM
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously.
That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug:
Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been. It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her. When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in. He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance. I couldn't have said it better myself.
The FACT that EJ/Nicole are apart after the last round of lies and deceipt compared to ej/sami playing drinking buddies and everything else in between speaks volumes. The one pair their problems are a sore issue making it impossible for them to move on and are bogged down by anger and resentment. It's a natural evolution in their relationship.
While the second pair their moments seem superficial to me because how do you get over a kidnapping/rape/attempted murder/torture so quickly when viewers can find the two back to back episodes where they wished the other dead, while salivating at the thought of the other person losing everything, then the following episode they are bffs. Ej even told Sami he would make sure Kate didn't come after her after the mole s/l fizzled out.
Last I checked ej still hurts because of the lies Nicole told in their first marriage and Nicole is very much still angry at what ej did with Taylor, hence I keep saying nothing has been brushed aside, swept under the rug or whitewashed with these two. When they hurt the mudslinging is never far behind. Their last conversation is testament to that. Chalk it up to ej and Nicole wearing their hearts on their sleeves and allowing the other person to have the power to hurt them while they no doubt love that same person still or whatever, I do. I prefer to watch these angst filled scenes however sparingly they are given than watch the tens of scenes with samanther, who can barely emote past breathing.
Nicole has felt remorse over what she did four years ago I am yet to hear Sami say I am sorry and actually mean it or EJ for that matter. All this frilly sacchrine induced moments between Sami and ej are doing nothing for me because they lack substance. Yes almost all couple are suffering from writer's inability to make us care about these characters I get that but they are doing a piss poor job of making me care even a fraction of a 1000000000th about Sami or EJ since he's spending so much time with her. Its easy to hate ej when he's with her because I see regression, if not lack of movement on his part. He has so many secrets and she doesn't really know the man. She sees what she wants to see, a mirage and nothing more. EJ is a predator at best it's so wrong to have a lion cajoling with a gazelle just because it's lost its pride and that is EJ.....no wife, no father, no sister soon to be no empire and no freedom, so he is clinging to the meager offerings of a woman who doesn't love him one bit, but she boosts his ego telling him how wonderful he is, he's a great father blah blah but she tells her beau she wishes her children were never his. They are both experts at speaking on both sides of their mouths and so should not be trusted at least not this easily.
Or they can surprise me and prove me right, they haven't forgiven each other. He could be playing the part of a wolf in sheep's clothing luring his prey to an ugly end. Maybe he is not so forgiving, maybe he hasn't regressed to holding Sami's purse like he did years ago. Maybe she wants to take him to the cleaners for costing her the love of her life (yeah right), who knows? If these two are playing each other, great. If EJ trying to bring her down, even better (I seriously hate her so I hope he is), I don't care, ANYTHING is better than these - happy go lucky, all is forgiven, he/she is changed, while knowing each other - interactions with more holes than a sieve.
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously.
That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug:
Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been. It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her. When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in. He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance.
Sorry - I just don't see it that way. I don't recall any heart to heart between EJole about the baby switch/Sydnapping. EJ was pissed for a long time...and then he seemed to magically get over it. Nicole may have wimpered a few lines about wanting him to raise his baby that Sami was going to hide from him (and man oh man...there's some irony in THAT now, isn't there? :rolleyes: ) but it certainly was no deep discussion. I don't recall them ever discussing EJ trying to kill her the night of his busted up wedding. I don't remember any conversation about making her wear a tracking bracelet. And the Taylor thing? I don't consider a "what were you thinking?" and basically a shrug and a chuckle in response from him the type of convo that sets things straight and forges a new beginning. I get that it was enough for their fans. Just like I'm happy to go with the conversations that EJami have had about what's happened between them in the past. It's all part of our own personal biases - and no couple/fan base is immune to it. They devoted almost an entire episode to showing Nicole telling him all about what she did, and why she did it. She cried as she told him. We didn't have to guess that EJ was upset, we saw all of what he did afterward as a result.
When Nicole came out of prison, the few scenes EJole had, it was mentioned. He mentioned what she did, when he came upon Nicole talking to Arianna at the police station, he mentioned it again when he followed to the pier.
They discussed it again when Nicole found out that he was the one that kidnapped Syd. It was mentioned again when Nicole went to bargain with EJ so that she could be in Syd's life. She was sorry and she knew that she hurt him, this is what she told EJ. And as I said before, Nicole mentioned it to EJ again around the time he asked her to marry him a second time.
They were at the mansion and EJ had removed the tracking bracelet from around her wrist, and he said to her that from now on he wants some trust between them so, he will start by removing the bracelet. (words to that effect) He already knew she did not like that he gave her one, and we also knew why he gave her the tracking bracelet in the first place. So in regards to the tracking bracelet there is not much more to discuss but, he certainly did not magically get over what Nicole did. From her release from prison to him asking her to marry him a second time, a lot of time had passed and each time during that period that EJ mentioned it to Nicole, you could see that he was still upset about what she did.
As for Taylor, they did not just discuss Taylor at the restaurant, they brought her up quite a few time. Well Nicole brought her up quite a few times, and we saw the process they went through before she finally decided to give him another chance.
As to EJ trying to kill Nicole. I suppose it's because what I saw on screen is that EJ just held her neck, and he did not squeeze, there was no struggle on Nicole's part, and he did not harm Nicole in any way, so it is difficult for me to buy that he tried to kill her. I know Nicole has mentioned that he did but, the visual did not play out that way, and that makes a huge difference. I don't think it is necessary for them to discuss this. EJ had already told Nicole that if she breaths a word of what he did in regards to the Sydnapping, he would kill her. Nicole took him seriously. She told Rafe that she was more scared of the Dimeras than the FBI and that she was scared for her life. Nicole spilled and she was looking over her shoulder ever since, until EJ turned up. Don't need anymore discussion about this unless, it was for him to say he was sorry. I guess if he had hurt her that day, he would have said he was sorry but, when he left she was fine, and he was the one that got shot in the head.
Even though I am a fan of EJole, I am glad Nicole stood her ground and did not take him back. Hope they will work it out but, I want good and believable writing that gets them back together.
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Jul 20 2012, 03:24 PM
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^^ Here here to GOOD, BELIEVABLE writing! This I want all round.
I am hopin' and wishin' but I am not holding my breath it will happen. At least I can count on some good acting from a select few, after so many firings of actual talented folks.
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Jul 20 2012, 03:29 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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The FACT that EJ/Nicole are apart after the last round of lies and deceipt compared to ej/sami playing drinking buddies and everything else in between speaks volumes. The one pair their problems are a sore issue making it impossible for them to move on and are bogged down by anger and resentment. It's a natural evolution in their relationship.
EJole may be apart now - but they reunited within a couple of months of the Taylor romance. Meanwhile, Sami and EJ have not shown any sort of romantic feelings for one another for nearly a solid two years - since EJ was busted for the Sydnapping and Sami shot him. I agree - that speaks volumes.
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Last I checked ej still hurts because of the lies Nicole told in their first marriage and Nicole is very much still angry at what ej did with Taylor
How can you 'check' on this? I don't recall any discussion like this between them recently...if ever.
As for the rest - it really is funny how the very things you despise about EJami pretty much mirror my thoughts on EJole. I can't stand the schmoopy, tickle-me-Elvo he turns into with her. No fire. No passion. Just a bland, every day 'romantic lead'. There are no real seduction scenes because frankly, he's just never had to work that hard to get Nikki to drop her knickers. EJ crooks his finger and she's spread eagle in a heartbeat. Kind of like how she is now with Dan.
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Jul 20 2012, 03:33 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- Dee-anne
- Jul 20 2012, 03:18 PM
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- Jul 20 2012, 12:40 PM
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Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been. It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her. When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in. He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance.
Sorry - I just don't see it that way. I don't recall any heart to heart between EJole about the baby switch/Sydnapping. EJ was pissed for a long time...and then he seemed to magically get over it. Nicole may have wimpered a few lines about wanting him to raise his baby that Sami was going to hide from him (and man oh man...there's some irony in THAT now, isn't there? :rolleyes: ) but it certainly was no deep discussion. I don't recall them ever discussing EJ trying to kill her the night of his busted up wedding. I don't remember any conversation about making her wear a tracking bracelet. And the Taylor thing? I don't consider a "what were you thinking?" and basically a shrug and a chuckle in response from him the type of convo that sets things straight and forges a new beginning. I get that it was enough for their fans. Just like I'm happy to go with the conversations that EJami have had about what's happened between them in the past. It's all part of our own personal biases - and no couple/fan base is immune to it.
They devoted almost an entire episode to showing Nicole telling him all about what she did, and why she did it. She cried as she told him. We didn't have to guess that EJ was upset, we saw all of what he did afterward as a result. When Nicole came out of prison, the few scenes EJole had, it was mentioned. He mentioned what she did, when he came upon Nicole talking to Arianna at the police station, he mentioned it again when he followed to the pier. They discussed it again when Nicole found out that he was the one that kidnapped Syd. It was mentioned again when Nicole went to bargain with EJ so that she could be in Syd's life. She was sorry and she knew that she hurt him, this is what she told EJ. And as I said before, Nicole mentioned it to EJ again around the time he asked her to marry him a second time. They were at the mansion and EJ had removed the tracking bracelet from around her wrist, and he said to her that from now on he wants some trust between them so, he will start by removing the bracelet. (words to that effect) He already knew she did not like that he gave her one, and we also knew why he gave her the tracking bracelet in the first place. So in regards to the tracking bracelet there is not much more to discuss but, he certainly did not magically get over what Nicole did. From her release from prison to him asking her to marry him a second time, a lot of time had passed and each time during that period that EJ mentioned it to Nicole, you could see that he was still upset about what she did. As for Taylor, they did not just discuss Taylor at the restaurant, they brought her up quite a few time. Well Nicole brought her up quite a few times, and we saw the process they went through before she finally decided to give him another chance. As to EJ trying to kill Nicole. I suppose it's because what I saw on screen is that EJ just held her neck, and he did not squeeze, there was no struggle on Nicole's part, and he did not harm Nicole in any way, so it is difficult for me to buy that he tried to kill her. I know Nicole has mentioned that he did but, the visual did not play out that way, and that makes a huge difference. I don't think it is necessary for them to discuss this. EJ had already told Nicole that if she breaths a word of what he did in regards to the Sydnapping, he would kill her. Nicole took him seriously. She told Rafe that she was more scared of the Dimeras than the FBI and that she was scared for her life. Nicole spilled and she was looking over her shoulder ever since, until EJ turned up. Don't need anymore discussion about this unless, it was for him to say he was sorry. I guess if he had hurt her that day, he would have said he was sorry but, when he left she was fine, and he was the one that got shot in the head. Even though I am a fan of EJole, I am glad Nicole stood her ground and did not take him back. Hope they will work it out but, I want good and believable writing that gets them back together. As I said, I get that fans of EJole think these things were enough - or were sincere.
But I could go through a play by play of every snippet of conversation EJami have had in the past several years about their various hurts and it would read much the same as what you've provided. Scenes that were certainly enough for me (although I'd happily lap up more) - but would likely bore you to tears and seem easily dismissable.
That's my point about how it will never be enough for people that dislike a pairing versus it always being enough for the people that love them.
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Jul 20 2012, 03:48 PM
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- emma mia
- Jul 20 2012, 11:10 AM
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- Jul 20 2012, 11:03 AM
Unless she actually takes a bullet and have someone actually try and snuff out her life while it's hanging by a thread, I wouldn't call it making up for the twice attempted murder.
Nicole has every right to be mad at EJ, I hate that she is trying keep him away from his child because she wins nothing from it but I get why she doesn't want to play with ej any more, and it's not like he is giving her any reason to change her mind now is it?
what twice attempted murder? Sami make have been the one to make the decision to pull the plug, but it was not a decision she wanted to make AND it was made at the advice of Lexie; the other most important person in EJ's life. and I personally had no issue with Sami shooting EJ; it was har lack of remorse and always wanting him dead after that was my issue, so for her to put her life in the way to save his pretty much makes up for it IMO. I men after all the others did not make up for their wrong by having the same done to them! She has a right to be mad at EJ, at herself as well too, because she knew the score from day one; however she has no right to keep his child from him. She does not have to be with EJ for him to be a father to his child; EJ has shown that he would work within a custody agreement now and in the past, so there really is no excuse for her behaviour IMO! Sami also tried to kill EJ with the knockout lipstick and burning cabin.
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Jul 20 2012, 03:57 PM
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As for EJ, as I said it was in their last conversation in his apartment where he mentioned her giving him a child then and taking one away now, to which she replied with exasperation that he was bringing up that subject again. Clearly he brought it up because she hurt him then as she was hurting him now.
As for Nicole, I can't remember but it is one of the many redundant conversations they had when EJ was apologizing and begging her to come back. I think she may have hit him with the Taylor thing immediately after the reveal, I can't remember the exact episodes. It was before he found out she was pregnant. She used Taylor as a reinforcement in her argument against taking him back. He admitted to hurting her the most of all his victims. I have never seen EJ apologise so much and come up fruitless.
Those wounds are very much still fresh, at the very least they have not magically healed at the stroke of a pen.
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