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Spoilers for the week of July 23rd; *UPDATED 7/17*
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 09:43 AM (64,639 Views)
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Jul 20 2012, 12:49 AM
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I know she didn't do it but at the time they did, people need to reference that JER shyte. Melas wen, come on! Stefano created a replica town w a force field and nobody ever mentions that.? " remember when we all woke up in Salem but it was tropical and we were wearing Tiki shirts?" " good times"
I really think it would be awesome if it were the town joke, lol. Or "remember the time two aliens landed here?" There's a TON of things I wish they'd mention more. The more recent history is my biggest pet peeve because it.just.happened so it should still be fresh, but I've had lists of stuff like this for years. I do think the last decade or so has been the worst about it, though. They've been okay at bringing up way back history, but they can't seem to handle their own regime's history. Back when I still liked Nicole, it drove me crazy that there wasn't more tension after the baby switch between her and Sami. I realize there was some, but there wasn't nearly enough considering what happened.
So agreed. I was thinking something similar when Nic was talking to Dan about losing a child last week and referenced Syd. Why he didn't point out that SHE was the kidnapper at one point was astonishing.
nicole made a comment to rafe that she knew how it felt to have your child kidnapped.That comment pissed me off because nicole made it sound like she was some loving parent whose child got kidnapped when in reality she WAS the damn kidnapper. nicole was not the victim in the story. far from it. i wish someone would have reminded nicole that she was predator who stole a child from her mother.

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If EJ has been lieing to Nicole all this time and they show this, it would be very detrimental to his character. Most of the audience would not be able to take anything he says seriously, .


I don't think he's been lying to Nicole all this time at all.

The best insight into EJ's love life is when he gets called out from Stefano. The last real talk they had after EJ found out about Stefano and Will's actions Stefano said EJ's been in love a lot and snarked about that. Then said he moves on happily. I believe he loved Nicole, I believed he loved Sami. (I can't comment on Taylor because I never saw him with her or that time period of DAYS.)

I believe Stefano's his truth teller whether EJ likes it or not. Stefano called out exactly who ruined things with Nicole, he called out why Nicole wasn't forgiving EJ that he just loved Sami more. He also called out that there was a reason why EJ and Sami kept cheating on their sig others with each other.
I think Ej cared about Nicole but does anyone really think that if Sami had been in the picture EJ would have given Nicole a backward glance?

If Hope hadn't walked out on Bo would he have given Carly a second thought?

I don't think so.

And what is Ej manipulating Sami for? What does he have to gain? Sex? He could have had that the other day and blown her relationship with Lucas all to hell. Dead? There are easier ways, all he has to do is make a phone call.
EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested. When it comes to his kids that is an entirely different matter. If Nicole had taken him back he would have continued building a life with her and he wouldn't give Sami a second thought until it comes to his children. Sami is the one that seems to be seeking him out all the time now,and he has been calling her out on it.

If Sami had stayed by her husband side, instead of going searching for EJ, griefsex would not have happened and before it happened, he kept angrily telling her to leave but she kept refusing. He even started pulling her to throw her out and she started hitting him.

He was genuinely worried that Nicole would find out about what he did, it was not an act. So please, Sami is no prize, she said it herself and I totally agree there. There were some seriously heart felt scenes outside Sami's apartment when he was asking Nicole to come back to him. I also can't imagine Nicole telling EJ that she is back with Brady and he laughs about it. Sami told him she was back with Lucas and he laughs. No, jealousy, nothing.

I don't think EJ is manipulating Sami for sex. He can easily get that from her from what we are seeing and without even trying too hard. I am not saying he is manipulating her, just saying it is entirely possible that he is, and he alone has his reasons which has not been shared as yet.



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Sami is a boobie prize...the cheap prize given to the LOSER...and right now that's EJ.

Wonder if we'll be getting spoilers for the week after the Olympics?
Edited by Liz<3Days, Jul 20 2012, 09:04 PM.
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If EJ has been lieing to Nicole all this time and they show this, it would be very detrimental to his character. Most of the audience would not be able to take anything he says seriously, .


I don't think he's been lying to Nicole all this time at all.

The best insight into EJ's love life is when he gets called out from Stefano. The last real talk they had after EJ found out about Stefano and Will's actions Stefano said EJ's been in love a lot and snarked about that. Then said he moves on happily. I believe he loved Nicole, I believed he loved Sami. (I can't comment on Taylor because I never saw him with her or that time period of DAYS.)

I believe Stefano's his truth teller whether EJ likes it or not. Stefano called out exactly who ruined things with Nicole, he called out why Nicole wasn't forgiving EJ that he just loved Sami more. He also called out that there was a reason why EJ and Sami kept cheating on their sig others with each other.
I think Ej cared about Nicole but does anyone really think that if Sami had been in the picture EJ would have given Nicole a backward glance?

If Hope hadn't walked out on Bo would he have given Carly a second thought?

I don't think so.

And what is Ej manipulating Sami for? What does he have to gain? Sex? He could have had that the other day and blown her relationship with Lucas all to hell. Dead? There are easier ways, all he has to do is make a phone call.
EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested. When it comes to his kids that is an entirely different matter. If Nicole had taken him back he would have continued building a life with her and he wouldn't give Sami a second thought until it comes to his children. Sami is the one that seems to be seeking him out all the time now,and he has been calling her out on it.

If Sami had stayed by her husband side, instead of going searching for EJ, griefsex would not have happened and before it happened, he kept angrily telling her to leave but she kept refusing. He even started pulling her to throw her out and she started hitting him.

He was genuinely worried that Nicole would find out about what he did, it was not an act. So please, Sami is no prize, she said it herself and I totally agree there. There were some seriously heart felt scenes outside Sami's apartment when he was asking Nicole to come back to him. I also can't imagine Nicole telling EJ that she is back with Brady and he laughs about it. Sami told him she was back with Lucas and he laughs. No, jealousy, nothing.

I don't think EJ is manipulating Sami for sex. He can easily get that from her from what we are seeing and without even trying too hard. I am not saying he is manipulating her, just saying it is entirely possible that he is, and he alone has his reasons which has not been shared as yet.



EJ put Nicole in her place the first time they met and he then went on to USE her to make Sami jealous and when Sami 'let him go' with the phone call he slept with her calling out Sami's name and then went on to say it only happened because of Sami hurting him. Where is the great attraction for Nicole. There then was no chasing, when she got pregnant he begged Sami to give him a reason to NOT be with Nicole, baby and all.

Over the years, not much has changed with him day dreaming while with Nicole, his falling in love with her sister and setting boundaries for their relationship that she better not cross else he made it quite clear she would be out on her ass.

The only time that EJ actually invested in Nicole was the later months of last year and even then it was because she gave him to quote what he needed. It did not take him long after Sami became a free agent for him to get back into her life. After every heartbreak he suffered in recent months he found himself at Sami's door, not Nicole's; in fact he did not even when it may have helped his begging.

I do agree that Sami is doing the chasing this time around, as it should be but EJ is the one not Sami who is making it clear that there is something between them and they will always be drawn together and as the DA showed, he can laugh about Lucas because he knows Lucas is not a threat to him; Sami cannot even bring herself to say she loves Lucas, so what is there for EJ to be worried about. He wants Sami and he knows she wants him and with his renewed swagger back ala 2007 he knows it is only a matter of time before it happens.

EJ has given very little to no thought to Nicole since the break up; most of his begging has come when she sought him out while he has spent most of his time with Sami and their family together. He outright refused to even consider leaving with her and if something is that important the least one would do is consider it!
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Dee-anne
Jul 20 2012, 08:59 PM
EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested.
That really just isn't true. From the time EJ met Nicole he was all about Sami - and he made it perfectly clear to Nicole. Nicole suggested he use her to make Sami jealous but even once he did he was putting the kabash on Nicole's advances in the steam room, etc. EJ didn't bang Nicole in the elevator (after he called out Sami's name in the heat of the moment) until Sami stomped on his heart yet again. And even when EJ and Sami were at odds and EJ was trying to date Nicole all it took was a phone call from Lucas telling EJ that Sami needed him at the hospital (when she'd just found out she was pregnant) and he walked out on their date and went to Sami. While there he and Sami ended up arguing because she was jealous at finding out he'd been having dinner with Nicole - his words to Sami? "Do you really think I'd be having dinner with anyone but you if you weren't such a fickle..." When Nicole told EJ she was pregnant he wasn't exactly overjoyed - he wanted proof he was the father first and foremost. And before Sami went off to witness protection EJ went to see her at the cabin to discuss the situation, which he referred to as a 'disaster'. When Sami encouraged him that he should be with Nicole because it was fate EJ told her he'd always thought they were fated to be together.

EJ eventually settled for Nicole and I do think he grew to love her. But not in the all encompassing, can't get her out of his heart/head way he has loved Sami. That's just not the way the story has been written and played out on screen - at least not to this point.
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Jul 20 2012, 09:39 PM
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Jul 20 2012, 08:59 PM
EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested.
That really just isn't true. From the time EJ met Nicole he was all about Sami - and he made it perfectly clear to Nicole. Nicole suggested he use her to make Sami jealous but even once he did he was putting the kabash on Nicole's advances in the steam room, etc. EJ didn't bang Nicole in the elevator (after he called out Sami's name in the heat of the moment) until Sami stomped on his heart yet again. And even when EJ and Sami were at odds and EJ was trying to date Nicole all it took was a phone call from Lucas telling EJ that Sami needed him at the hospital (when she'd just found out she was pregnant) and he walked out on their date and went to Sami. While there he and Sami ended up arguing because she was jealous at finding out he'd been having dinner with Nicole - his words to Sami? "Do you really think I'd be having dinner with anyone but you if you weren't such a fickle..." When Nicole told EJ she was pregnant he wasn't exactly overjoyed - he wanted proof he was the father first and foremost. And before Sami went off to witness protection EJ went to see her at the cabin to discuss the situation, which he referred to as a 'disaster'. When Sami encouraged him that he should be with Nicole because it was fate EJ told her he'd always thought they were fated to be together.

EJ eventually settled for Nicole and I do think he grew to love her. But not in the all encompassing, can't get her out of his heart/head way he has loved Sami. That's just not the way the story has been written and played out on screen - at least not to this point.
That's the way I see it as well. Ej has always seemed to be settling for Nicole to me. When he had Nicole, he even turned to Taylor. It's never seemed like love. I like Nicole and think Ari plays her far better than AS plays Sami, but for some reason, Ejole was very boring to me. Ejami interests me. I don't understand and don't want to understand at this point. Much as I dislike Sami, I like Ejami when it's not bitter and overbearing.

I think Ari deserves to have a better story. An exciting adventurous action packed romance, not water down. I'm okay with Dr. Dan (though I would LOVE it if tptb would get rid of Dan and Rafe) until Eric comes back. I'm hoping he will be a true love story (NOT insta-love, but a journey back together). I don't see Nicole with Dan as end game. It's a resting place till the real story gets here.
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Jul 20 2012, 09:39 PM
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Jul 20 2012, 08:59 PM
EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested.
That really just isn't true. From the time EJ met Nicole he was all about Sami - and he made it perfectly clear to Nicole. Nicole suggested he use her to make Sami jealous but even once he did he was putting the kabash on Nicole's advances in the steam room, etc. EJ didn't bang Nicole in the elevator (after he called out Sami's name in the heat of the moment) until Sami stomped on his heart yet again. And even when EJ and Sami were at odds and EJ was trying to date Nicole all it took was a phone call from Lucas telling EJ that Sami needed him at the hospital (when she'd just found out she was pregnant) and he walked out on their date and went to Sami. While there he and Sami ended up arguing because she was jealous at finding out he'd been having dinner with Nicole - his words to Sami? "Do you really think I'd be having dinner with anyone but you if you weren't such a fickle..." When Nicole told EJ she was pregnant he wasn't exactly overjoyed - he wanted proof he was the father first and foremost. And before Sami went off to witness protection EJ went to see her at the cabin to discuss the situation, which he referred to as a 'disaster'. When Sami encouraged him that he should be with Nicole because it was fate EJ told her he'd always thought they were fated to be together.

EJ eventually settled for Nicole and I do think he grew to love her. But not in the all encompassing, can't get her out of his heart/head way he has loved Sami. That's just not the way the story has been written and played out on screen - at least not to this point.
He was all about Sami and his kids and making a family with them before he met Nicole but, when he met Nicole he was deinitely attracted to her there is no doubt. He certainly was giving her interesting glances and they became good friends. Did not say he fell in love with her the first time he saw her.They messed around to make Sami jealous but he was certainly enjoying being with Nicole and she was enjoying being with him. They both grew very attracted to each other. I thought it was so unbelievable that he called out Sami's name when he was making love to Nicole in the elevator because the sex with Nicole looked way hotter that the sex I saw him have with Sami before Lucas turned and Sami leaped out of his bed. EJ certainly looked as if he was enjoying it more. Anyway even the elevator sex niether were in love with each other. The attraction between them only increased and EJ sought out Nicole to ask her to go into a relationship with him and told her what happened between them was not just about sex.

EJ has known Sami a lot longer than he had known Nicole and Sami is the mother of his kids, so if he gets a call that she is in hospital and she needs him, I don't see anything wrong with cancelling a dinner date to go to the hospital. Afterall he did not know what was wrong with her, it could have been serious. And what if Sami was jealous. She was a silly girl even back then. Nothing was stopping her from having EJ if she wanted to. He would have let Nicole down gently and say, I am getting back with her, she is the mother of my kid and I want it to work, end of story, or he may not have wanted to end it with Nicole.

He was not happy that Nicole was pregnant because he thought she was lying and her way of getting her hand on the Dimera millions. People had been warning EJ about Nicole from the moment he met her and he ignored them, so it was easy for him to become suspicious, when she told him the news. I certainly did not like his attitutde over it but, he had gathered info about Nicole while he was her lawyer.

Yes, EJ and Nicole grew to fall deeply in love each other. I have not liked how they have written some of the EJole story but we got a lot of beautiful, romantic and loving scenes between them. And although Sami will always be in his life because she is the mother of his children, I cannot buy that EJ is in love with Sami because of all the things I have seen him do to her, and even though you may disagree, I think all the things that EJ has done to Sami is far worst than anything that he has ever done to Nicole.

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EJole may be apart now - but they reunited within a couple of months of the Taylor romance. Meanwhile, Sami and EJ have not shown any sort of romantic feelings for one another for nearly a solid two years - since EJ was busted for the Sydnapping and Sami shot him. I agree - that speaks volumes.

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Last I checked ej still hurts because of the lies Nicole told in their first marriage and Nicole is very much still angry at what ej did with Taylor


How can you 'check' on this? I don't recall any discussion like this between them recently...if ever.


mer4santo
Jul 20 2012, 09:27 AM
lysie
Jul 20 2012, 01:00 AM
mer4santo
Jul 20 2012, 12:49 AM
lysie
Jul 20 2012, 12:42 AM
mer4santo
Jul 20 2012, 12:40 AM
Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
I know she didn't do it but at the time they did, people need to reference that JER shyte. Melas wen, come on! Stefano created a replica town w a force field and nobody ever mentions that.? " remember when we all woke up in Salem but it was tropical and we were wearing Tiki shirts?" " good times"
I really think it would be awesome if it were the town joke, lol. Or "remember the time two aliens landed here?" There's a TON of things I wish they'd mention more. The more recent history is my biggest pet peeve because it.just.happened so it should still be fresh, but I've had lists of stuff like this for years. I do think the last decade or so has been the worst about it, though. They've been okay at bringing up way back history, but they can't seem to handle their own regime's history. Back when I still liked Nicole, it drove me crazy that there wasn't more tension after the baby switch between her and Sami. I realize there was some, but there wasn't nearly enough considering what happened.
So agreed. I was thinking something similar when Nic was talking to Dan about losing a child last week and referenced Syd. Why he didn't point out that SHE was the kidnapper at one point was astonishing.

because nicole wants to play the victim and wants people to forget that she is a child kidnapper. the writers have swept it under the carpet as well. they reference to it but with a different spin. any new viewer would not know that she did snatch another woman's baby to pass as her own to keep a man.

rpmaluki
Jul 20 2012, 10:30 AM
Didn't ej and Nicole talk about the things she did in their first marriage on the night of the reveal, the kidnapping, lying about the miscarriage or was that on the morning after the storm. Ej even mentioned her doing everything she could to give him Sydney while now doing everything she can to keep him away from his unborn child in the last scene they shared together. When given the chance these two actually talk things out, it's never pretty but it's there.

I guess some character's past is easier to remember than others. Even if she mentioned being the kidnapper to Daniel it's none of his business, I doubt it would change his mind from wanting to poke her every five seconds. He was not involved in that s/l. She's even talked to rafe about the sydnapping saga because he went through it with sami, there's history there. Nicole's past is almost never whitewashed whether she wants it to or not and I like her all the more for it, it keeps the hypocrisy to a minimum.

again the writing is flawed and it makes ej stupid for saying that because nicole did not kidnap sydney to benefit ej. she did it so she could hold on to ej. she used poor sydney as bargaining chip because she knew no baby no ej.

well daniel knew about the kidnapping. it was common knowledge. the point is when she brings it up that way. she makes it sound that she was some victim when in reality she was the freaking kidnapper. it is misleading. if they are going to bring it up, they should do so accurately and make it clear that nicole was the villain, not the victim.

Liz<3Days
Jul 20 2012, 10:38 AM
rpmaluki
Jul 20 2012, 10:30 AM
Didn't ej and Nicole talk about the things she did in their first marriage on the night of the reveal, the kidnapping, lying about the miscarriage or was that on the morning after the storm. Ej even mentioned her doing everything she could to gie him Sydney while now doing everything she can to keep him away from his unborn child in the last scene they shared together?

I guess some character's past is easier to remember than others. Even if she mentioned being the kidnapper to Daniel it's none of his business, I doubt it would change his mind from wanting to poke her every five seconds. He was not involved in that s/l. She's even talked to rafe about the sydnapping sagwbecause he went through it with sami, there's history there. Nicole's past is almost never whitewashed whether she wants it to or not and I like her all the more for it, it keeps the hypocrisy to a minimum.
IA, Nicole's past is not whitewashed...its inaccurate and Nicole fails to correct it each and every time.

Yes, Nicole has talked about the Sydnapping to various people and the only time Sami and Nicole talk, Sami almost always calls her "kidnapper" while Nicole just takes it and doesnt fight back. Sami's is always brought up as"bad things?" Really Beast, I think your shit qualifies more than just "bad things."

If Nicole thinks of Tan as some fling, which I think she does, then she usually wouldnt open up to him because then the "relationship" becomes more then sex to Nicole. She did talk to Rafe about it because it directly involved him.

again, the racole convo was misleading. every time the kidnapping is brought, nicole and now rafe finds an excuse to justify nicole's actions. they are not trying to deal with it. they are trying to make the audience sympathize with a child kidanpper/predator. oh poor nicole.

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Jul 20 2012, 10:38 AM
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Ej even mentioned her doing everything she could to give him Sydney while now doing everything she can to keep him away from his unborn child in the last scene they shared together. When given the chance these two actually talk things out, it's never pretty but it's there.

In the first case she was doing everything she could to hold onto EJ and not lose him. She didn't think she could keep him if she told him she didn't have his child while Sami was out there pregnant.

This time she doesn't want to hold onto him, she's got her eyes open this time about his Sami tunnel vision. However that still doesn't make her "Rafe's the daddy" make any sense. She can not be with EJ and still co-parent, denying him the child when she never cared at all about the Dimera way of life makes her look hypocritical with her suddenly not wanting her kid raised a Dimera when she wanted it and would have done it before she found out about grief sex. Her choices are having nothing to do with her baby, EJ, herself but about Sami and EJ's grief sex.




this is exactly the point i was trying to make above lol. i also agree that nicole is using this baby as a weapon against ej just like she used sydney as a weapon to hold on to him. she is pissed because ej is still in love with sami inspite of everything. well nicole don't blame ej, blame yourself. you should have gotten a clue when he screamed sami's name while fucking you in the elevator.

i hope nicole will get what's coming to her. i want ej to get full custody of this child and raise him with sami, it will be poetic justice. nicole cheated sami of the first year of sydney's life, so she should get a taste of her own medicine. payback is a bitch so is nicole.
rpmaluki
Jul 20 2012, 10:45 AM
Ej is the one who said she did everything to give him a child now she is doing everything to take one away from him, not an exact quote of course but this is their last conversation together in his apartment. I was talking about Nicole's misdeeds not being whitewashed not her reasons for doing them.

but her crimes do get whitewashed. the writing makes it sound like nicole kidnap sydney as some kind of noble act to benefit ej. we all know she did it for her own selfish reasons. she hated sami and wanted her life and she knew the only reason to get it and hold on to it was with a baby. she kidnapped another woman's child to keep a man. that is pesky fact that they are trying to whitewash.

rpmaluki
Jul 20 2012, 11:03 AM
Unless she actually takes a bullet and have someone actually try and snuff out her life while it's hanging by a thread, I wouldn't call it making up for the twice attempted murder.

Nicole has every right to be mad at EJ, I hate that she is trying keep him away from his child because she wins nothing from it but I get why she doesn't want to play with ej any more, and it's not like he is giving her any reason to change her mind now is it?

sami does not have to take a bullet. she is making it up to ej by standing by him and doing everything in her power to save him. funny how nicole is doing everything in her power to destroy ej on the other hand. very telling.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:12 AM
rpmaluki
Jul 20 2012, 11:03 AM
Unless she actually takes a bullet and have someone actually try and snuff out her life while it's hanging by a thread, I wouldn't call it making up for the twice attempted murder.

Nicole has every right to be mad at EJ, I hate that she is trying keep him away from his child because she wins nothing from it but I get why she doesn't want to play with ej any more, and it's not like he is giving her any reason to change her mind now is it?
I'm not sure what else he could have/should have done. He spent a couple of months literally begging her for another chance - even offering to raise someone else's kid (that she continues to lie about).

I'm beyond happy to see him moving on. She's proven she's not worth it.

me too. ej was only determined to win nicole back because he did not think he had a chance with sami. now he knows he does. so it is nicole who?
emma mia
Jul 20 2012, 11:41 AM
rpmaluki
Jul 20 2012, 11:33 AM
Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on.
Nicole commited a crime, was found guilty by the legal system not just EJ's opinion. There is no comparison between trying to put EJ in jail because you want to punish him for loving Sami more and Nicole being put in jail for kidnapping Sydney twice IMO!

Talk, scream and him morph into EJ Choke a Bitch Dimera is the way I remember it; unless he has no other alternative and Sami is once again not an option is the only way he ever comes to get sex from her. I mean the two previous times (before Mar/Dar) the ONLY reason EJ let Nicole back into his life was because of Sami in some form or fashion, using her not revelling with her JMO!

through their whole history, nicole has always been second choice. whenever sami dumps him and he is alone, he settles for nicole to keep his bed warm. he knows she is always willing to open her leg on a whim because she has no self esteem.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:33 AM
Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on.
Yep...EJ loves it when Nicki has schemed....since the beginning. And if she really wanted gone, then she knows about EJ's pension plan scheme to frame John. She could have gotten the documents and given them to Rafe. He would have gone to jail.

And "running through a list," is not discussing EJ and Sami past. That's one huge component of why this pairing fails. They want the audience to accept them when they hated each other less then 6 months ago.

lol, how long did it take ejole to forgive each other after his affair with nicole's sister?

nicole has no proof that ej framed john. at this point it is just here say. still i have no doubt nicole will use that info when the time is right. she always does.

yes ej likes when she is scheming when it benefits him not when it is against him. he was not very amused when her scheme cost him his samantha at the non-wedding. as i recall, he was ready to choke her to death for costing him the love of his life.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:55 AM
Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously. And please know I never ever want to see these two in a relationship of any kind except one of loathing and hatred for the duration of the show. The writers have failed to justify their bff status that happened over night, on top of ignoring things that could help build them as well rounded characters. I feel I am left with paper cut outs that are supposed to fit some fantasy dreamed up by MarDar this time round. I don't care much for what I see and I doubt I ever will since good writing for soaps went extinct years ago.


it is no different than ejole. i keep hearing that ejole dealt with their issues. i must have missed it when i blinked because i have yet to see that. bringing it up for a split second over champagne is hardly dealing with it.

tell me how did ejole deal (with emotional weight) ej falling in love with her sister and fucking her while ejole were married? how did ejole deal with the pesky little fact that ej tried to choke to death? or the fact that she blackmailed ej for 2 millions dollars and still double crossed him? how did they deal with nicole kidnapping his child and asking brady to run away with her so they can raise sydney together?

don't even get me started on the fake pregnancy fiasco, making a fool of ej for months, and stabbing ej in the back by plotting with bradry and phillip? all those things have been swept under the carpet.

ejami have dealt with their issues and those issues have kept them apart for years. they have not forgotten the past because it is constantly brought up with anger and resentment. sami just recently threw ej's past mistakes in his face. IMO, ej has not forgotten about sami shooting him either. it took ej 2 years to deal with it and IMO he is able to move past it because he knows he was the one who had pushed her over the edge. then again, sami is going to make up for that by risking her own life to save his.

now that is how you deal with the elephant in the room, not by laughing it out while sipping champagne.

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This right here is I why I will not ever care for the pairing of Ej/Sami because in order to make the pairing work this is what happens to Ej's character:


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And really I don't care who Ej's first choice is, but if Sami is considered Ej's first choice after raping, torturing, kidnapping her kid among other things I'd rather Nicole not even been on the list at all.

And since Ej had no problem doing all those things to Sami, I think attempting to murder her wouldn't be that unbelievable. Not that I think it will happen because MarDar were all about trashing any and all characters/pairings to make this one pairing work. But in all honesty it wouldn't be out of character for Ej to do something like this. Anything beats a pathetic whipped puppy hitting on the woman who shot him in the head. :shame:
If all EJ is, is a raping, kidnapping, muderius, violent man then he shouldnt be with any woman, especially one with Nicole's self worth issues. So yeah, Nicole should be off the list in that case.

I don't think that's who EJ is at all. The characters change and evolve. They have to because they've all done bad things. In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do. Sami shooting EJ in the way it went down, was a complete abboration for her character. Heck yes she has and would shoot somebody who pissed her off, but they'd be awake to see it coming. Sami's not a cold blooded killer.
Sorry. I just think this is flat out untrue. It's been nearly 20 years, and J&M's affair still comes up. And I"m glad. Caroline's affair was outed onscreen almost 30 years ago, and it's still mentioned. Marlena shot Stefano 26 years ago. Still mentioned. Jack raped Kayla over 20 years ago, and they still mention it and have tension in their scenes. Sami's paternity lies were 15 years ago, and they're still mentioned. Alice helped break Roman out of jail 18 years ago, and it was mentioned at her funeral and even a few months ago. Jack left town 20 years ago, and he still gets grief for it. Moving on only takes away what makes these characters special and keeps stories from making sense. It keeps them from having believable connections with people in town. It keeps the angst at a minimum. Moving on does no one any favors. These things happened. We watched it. If it can't be used, it was a waste of our time. If history can go back as far as some of these characters' stuff still does, then EJ can take it. It should be a part of who he is. That doesn't mean he can't overcome it. That doesn't mean Sami can't overcome it. But it should be a big part of who they are as individuals and as a couple if that ever happens. Mostly ignoring it and not letting other's relationships be affected by it has chipped away at everything that made the character stand out. Yes, the show is moving on, but that's not a good thing. They're doing it because they're lazy, not because they know what works.

And us...Sami has tried to kill other unconscious people before. That wasn't something new for her. ;)
I didn't say ignore it, I said you have to keep moving on, because there are new stories to tell. Because of the nature of the genre, they all do shitty things. The audience has to suspend a lot of reality to believe most of these people would still be interacting with each other at all. That relationships still exist at all between some of these people is rediculous. Thanksgiving conversations would be things like, Roman to Marlena, "Remember that time you killed me? That was a hoot."

The audience at large isn't hung up on all the things these people have done being a reason they shouldn't even interact. In reality, the mere fact that EJ has tried to choke Nicole, or Lucas helped Kate dump Sami over a cliff, would be enough reason for them to never speak again. Look what Lexie did to Hope with Zack and they were best friends after that. It would never happen in reality. But in a soap, you have to accept the fact Hope and Lexie can still be besties, even if you mention the past. And they did mention many times that Lexie raised Zach as a baby. If you don't move on and forgive with Lexie and Hope, you can't watch and enjoy the show. Doug and Julie had a terrible start, now they are the cute old couple who exemplify marriage perfection. Yes, we know historically these things happened, but we can't dwell on them or expect the characters to have restraining orders against each other like they should. You can't tell a story then. The characters go through redemptive story arcs, or not. Sometimes a year or so passes and all is forgiven, and we move on to the next SL.

EJ and Sami are the only ones who get their past brought up in every thread where their names are mentioned across the Internet. I don't see anybody tweeting about the reasons other characters shouldn't be in the same room together.
KUDOS!!!!!!! You are EXACTLY right! My husband and I talk about this ALL the time. It is a soap! You either learn to move on or you stay bitter and bitch about things, but wither way, the show, and much of the GA, is still moving on without you. I usually only bring things up if I am still seeing that current behavior (or if I see it being repeated) or to combat someone else's argument on why what one character did is relevant but what another did is not, just like you did here. I personally don't give a damn what any of them did as long as I see chemisrty and a good story.
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Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
I LITERALLY just lol'd. Really loudly. Not even sure why this struck me as so funny, but for some reason, everything having to do with Marlena is striking me as funny this week! I feel the need to visit youtube and watch some ol' Doc scenes...lol
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Marlena killing everyone in town isn't mentioned nearly enough.
Because they changed it to Andre killing everyone in town and not Marlena. But I do wish they'd mention it more. Someone referenced the story not that long ago, but at the moment I can't remember who it was. I even wish they'd mention some of the lame stories. They missed several opportunities to reference Melaswen during that stupid safe house story.
I know she didn't do it but at the time they did, people need to reference that JER shyte. Melas wen, come on! Stefano created a replica town w a force field and nobody ever mentions that.? " remember when we all woke up in Salem but it was tropical and we were wearing Tiki shirts?" " good times"
I really think it would be awesome if it were the town joke, lol. Or "remember the time two aliens landed here?" There's a TON of things I wish they'd mention more. The more recent history is my biggest pet peeve because it.just.happened so it should still be fresh, but I've had lists of stuff like this for years. I do think the last decade or so has been the worst about it, though. They've been okay at bringing up way back history, but they can't seem to handle their own regime's history. Back when I still liked Nicole, it drove me crazy that there wasn't more tension after the baby switch between her and Sami. I realize there was some, but there wasn't nearly enough considering what happened.
OMG, and swamp girl! I totally forgot about some of this shit! Ha ha ha...No wonder people think I'm loony for watching this show! :drunk:
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In order to watch a soap, the audience has to keep moving on. I think they know that, and they do.
I didn't say ignore it, I said you have to keep moving on, because there are new stories to tell. Because of the nature of the genre, they all do shitty things. The audience has to suspend a lot of reality to believe most of these people would still be interacting with each other at all. That relationships still exist at all between some of these people is rediculous. Thanksgiving conversations would be things like, Roman to Marlena, "Remember that time you killed me? That was a hoot."

The audience at large isn't hung up on all the things these people have done being a reason they shouldn't even interact. In reality, the mere fact that EJ has tried to choke Nicole, or Lucas helped Kate dump Sami over a cliff, would be enough reason for them to never speak again. Look what Lexie did to Hope with Zack and they were best friends after that. It would never happen in reality. But in a soap, you have to accept the fact Hope and Lexie can still be besties, even if you mention the past. And they did mention many times that Lexie raised Zach as a baby. If you don't move on and forgive with Lexie and Hope, you can't watch and enjoy the show. Doug and Julie had a terrible start, now they are the cute old couple who exemplify marriage perfection. Yes, we know historically these things happened, but we can't dwell on them or expect the characters to have restraining orders against each other like they should. You can't tell a story then. The characters go through redemptive story arcs, or not. Sometimes a year or so passes and all is forgiven, and we move on to the next SL.

EJ and Sami are the only ones who get their past brought up in every thread where their names are mentioned across the Internet. I don't see anybody tweeting about the reasons other characters shouldn't be in the same room together.
They are absolutely not the only ones. All of the examples I gave have been in recent threads and are mentioned pretty regularly. Maybe it's in conversations you choose not to take part in or pay attention to but it happens. EJ and Sami are not the only ones whose pasts are brought up here. If you don't see other people tweeting about why people shouldn't be in the same room, you must not following a variety of people. Just today I saw why safe, dicole, ejami, ejole, cafe, elope (which made me laugh), carbo, John and izzy, shelle, phelle, shimi, shayla, danloe, ericole, chill, and sonny/will shouldn't share space.

The other things you brought up are also referenced on both the show and this board. Most things that are dropped on the show are complained about here. There's no point in bringing up the "audience at large.". They're not here to respond and both of us can make up anything we want about them and it be just as legit. I personally don't believe these morons exist. At least not in the way they're discussed on the Internet.

But none of that is really the point. The show may want us to move on, but that's not good storytelling and it's flat out wrong that EVERY body has moved on from those stories. They're still mentioned and referenced on the show. Again, if those characters can take it, EJ could too. It would make him less generic and would be more compelling all the way around.

But also, you can forgive and not move on completely. Jack and Kayla are a perfect example, and so is your example of Lexie/Hope. I'm not asking to keep ejami apart because of this stuff. I don't care if they get together or not. I'm just asking to incorporate it into their current story to give it more layers and make it more compelling. Moving on cheapens their history and takes away from who they are as characters.
You made some excellent points. One being that I do have a more limited view of this board than you do, and there are threads I avoid totally, and i normally only visit a thread here once, maybe twice. The other is I would like to see EJ and Sami hash through some of their past, which I've said many times, but don't know if I mentioned it here.

The audience at large dies exist. I'm related to a bunch of then. Their lack of obvession with the show frustrates the hell out of me. They discuss it like its no big deal, and right in front of me. The nerve!
I know these people too! They are the ones who look at me with a mixture of concern and pity when I discuss what I read on the message boards. lmao
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Jul 20 2012, 10:09 AM
Ignoring history is part of what makes all the newer characters utterly baseless and boring to me.

Shadow, you know people who watch Days? The only person I can talk with (outside of message boards) about the current show is my mom. My friends know of characters like Kayla, Jack, Roman, Marlena, Stefano, but they don't know who EJ is, and they don't have any desire to look into it. What I can't figure out is that Days actually still has around two million viewers. I find that difficult to believe. Is it just that it's on in all the rest homes or something?
Maybe it has to do with where you are from?? Where I live LOADS of people watch Days. Boat Loads! But, it is a rural area so there isn't a lot to do and people watch a lot of TV, especially in winter. I actually even know quite a few men who watch it. They make fun of it the entire time, but they are still watching.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:29 AM
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Jul 20 2012, 11:23 AM
How life threatening is her mugging?

Shouting out "run" even when getting between ej and shooter, who won't shoot her obviously, does not make up for point blank shooting ej while he is passed out from drink and then try and finish him off at the hospital.
I guess this is one of those things where personal preferences comes in. I think EJ would be pretty darn grateful though.

and there is no finish him off at the hospital; Sami acted per EJ's will and Lexie's advice.
Exactly. Again it all comes down to preference and your feelings for the character and their situation. Forgiving a character you hate, or finding them deserving of anything, would be near impossible for you, but for a fan who loved them, it would be fairly easy to forgive and forget. Again, I think it is subjective. Most likely, it's the characters you are neither here nor there about that you judge more reasonably.
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously.
That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug:
Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been.

It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her.

When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in.

He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance.

it took ejami 2 years to get past the shooting and kidnapping and they are still dealing with it. there is still a lot of anger and resentment underlined. i think that is a fair amount of time. how long did it take ejole to reunite after ej cheated on nicole with her own sister?
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Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been.

It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her.

When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in.

He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance.
Sorry - I just don't see it that way. I don't recall any heart to heart between EJole about the baby switch/Sydnapping. EJ was pissed for a long time...and then he seemed to magically get over it. Nicole may have wimpered a few lines about wanting him to raise his baby that Sami was going to hide from him (and man oh man...there's some irony in THAT now, isn't there? :rolleyes: ) but it certainly was no deep discussion. I don't recall them ever discussing EJ trying to kill her the night of his busted up wedding. I don't remember any conversation about making her wear a tracking bracelet. And the Taylor thing? I don't consider a "what were you thinking?" and basically a shrug and a chuckle in response from him the type of convo that sets things straight and forges a new beginning.

I get that it was enough for their fans. Just like I'm happy to go with the conversations that EJami have had about what's happened between them in the past. It's all part of our own personal biases - and no couple/fan base is immune to it.
They devoted almost an entire episode to showing Nicole telling him all about what she did, and why she did it. She cried as she told him. We didn't have to guess that EJ was upset, we saw all of what he did afterward as a result.

When Nicole came out of prison, the few scenes EJole had, it was mentioned. He mentioned what she did, when he came upon Nicole talking to Arianna at the police station, he mentioned it again when he followed to the pier.

They discussed it again when Nicole found out that he was the one that kidnapped Syd. It was mentioned again when Nicole went to bargain with EJ so that she could be in Syd's life. She was sorry and she knew that she hurt him, this is what she told EJ. And as I said before, Nicole mentioned it to EJ again around the time he asked her to marry him a second time.

They were at the mansion and EJ had removed the tracking bracelet from around her wrist, and he said to her that from now on he wants some trust between them so, he will start by removing the bracelet. (words to that effect) He already knew she did not like that he gave her one, and we also knew why he gave her the tracking bracelet in the first place. So in regards to the tracking bracelet there is not much more to discuss but, he certainly did not magically get over what Nicole did. From her release from prison to him asking her to marry him a second time, a lot of time had passed and each time during that period that EJ mentioned it to Nicole, you could see that he was still upset about what she did.

As for Taylor, they did not just discuss Taylor at the restaurant, they brought her up quite a few time. Well Nicole brought her up quite a few times, and we saw the process they went through before she finally decided to give him another chance.

As to EJ trying to kill Nicole. I suppose it's because what I saw on screen is that EJ just held her neck, and he did not squeeze, there was no struggle on Nicole's part, and he did not harm Nicole in any way, so it is difficult for me to buy that he tried to kill her. I know Nicole has mentioned that he did but, the visual did not play out that way, and that makes a huge difference. I don't think it is necessary for them to discuss this. EJ had already told Nicole that if she breaths a word of what he did in regards to the Sydnapping, he would kill her. Nicole took him seriously. She told Rafe that she was more scared of the Dimeras than the FBI and that she was scared for her life. Nicole spilled and she was looking over her shoulder ever since, until EJ turned up. Don't need anymore discussion about this unless, it was for him to say he was sorry. I guess if he had hurt her that day, he would have said he was sorry but, when he left she was fine, and he was the one that got shot in the head.

Even though I am a fan of EJole, I am glad Nicole stood her ground and did not take him back. Hope they will work it out but, I want good and believable writing that gets them back together.


the only reason ej asked nicole to marry her the second time was to piss sami off. he was using nicole against sami. there was no love or romance involved. come to think of it, ej has been using nicole from the start. he started using her to make sami jealous and he continued to use her for sex whenever he is lonely and sami dumps him. ej only took nicole back because taylor had dumped him. has ej ever ever chosen nicole first?

lol, the way i saw it, ej would have choked nicole to death if daniel had not interrupted him. nicole was acting like she was hurt as she was rubbing her neck and daniel sure acted like ej was trying to murder her. not to mention, ej did tell lexie he was going to kill nicole. so yeah, it played on screen that he tried to murder her. i guess we see what we want to see.
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Ej is the one who said she did everything to give him a child now she is doing everything to take one away from him, not an exact quote of course but this is their last conversation together in his apartment. I was talking about Nicole's misdeeds not being whitewashed not her reasons for doing them.
Nicole is not the only one whose deeds are brought up. Before grief sex EJAMI ran through their listing, just last week Sami talked about her murder attempt and from spoilers she is going to make up for that deed in a big way.

Brazen, she is not just keeping the child because of the sex, she is going it because EJ loves Sami more, and puts Sami first every chance he gets; prety darn selfish!
Yes, she is selfish. No question about it. But, it's a little hard to make her the villain in this play, all things considered.

I don't think Nicole's history gets whitewashed and, amazingly, I think the writers have done a pretty good job of using that history to layer the character. With Sami, it's been more of a roller coaster. Sometimes it is brought up, sometimes it is forgotten. But it sort of doesn't matter because Sami never acknowledges she ever did anything wrong anyway. It's always someone else's fault.

EJ's history has been, IMO, whitewashed a bazillion times. Even when they pay lip service to it, it still gets whitewashed. Since the show has decided he can't really be that bad of a guy, they keep trying to straddle some weird line and it never works. These days I just find him to be an annoying asshat. I long for the days when he was hot and sweevil.
I have never, ever, seen Nicole stand up and take responsibility for everything she has done without blaming it on someone else, so that is not exclusive to Sami's character. Nicole is no better than Sami. I would also never refer to her character as "layered". I like her, because she is a selfish bitch with a back-bone. But that is why I like Sami too. (Please note that this does not include when they try to make me feel sorry for Nicole and she snivels and sobs all the time, or when they try to make Sami good. I don't like that and I wish they'd stop.)
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Jul 20 2012, 11:33 AM
Yes she is trying to send him to jail, but it's his own stupidity that put him in that position in the first place. He once sent her to jail, so no shocker there. I rather look forward to EJ finding out about that than bury my head in the sand hoping he doesn't. They will talk and possibly scream at each other then have some seriously hot sex because nothing turns those two on than one uping each other, they have been doing it for four years, something tells me this hasn't changed one lick with them. Ej is turned on by Nikki's sneakiness as Nicole is turned on by EJ's power trip. I would rather watch that than this boring show currently on.
People who do bad things to one another but then forgive and forget... people getting turned on by one-uping each other...people who talk, and scream at each other, but then have hot sex...that IS what is currently on.
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Jul 20 2012, 10:45 AM
Ej is the one who said she did everything to give him a child now she is doing everything to take one away from him, not an exact quote of course but this is their last conversation together in his apartment. I was talking about Nicole's misdeeds not being whitewashed not her reasons for doing them.
Nicole is not the only one whose deeds are brought up. Before grief sex EJAMI ran through their listing, just last week Sami talked about her murder attempt and from spoilers she is going to make up for that deed in a big way.

Brazen, she is not just keeping the child because of the sex, she is going it because EJ loves Sami more, and puts Sami first every chance he gets; prety darn selfish!
Yes, she is selfish. No question about it. But, it's a little hard to make her the villain in this play, all things considered.

I don't think Nicole's history gets whitewashed and, amazingly, I think the writers have done a pretty good job of using that history to layer the character. With Sami, it's been more of a roller coaster. Sometimes it is brought up, sometimes it is forgotten. But it sort of doesn't matter because Sami never acknowledges she ever did anything wrong anyway. It's always someone else's fault.

EJ's history has been, IMO, whitewashed a bazillion times. Even when they pay lip service to it, it still gets whitewashed. Since the show has decided he can't really be that bad of a guy, they keep trying to straddle some weird line and it never works. These days I just find him to be an annoying asshat. I long for the days when he was hot and sweevil.
nothing is at the point where we have villains in this sl; but she is the wrong one, no matter how much she plays up the whoa is me for Rafe and Daniel. Why doesn't she tell them the truth instead of pretending it is about the Dimera lifestyle?

Sami is Sami; lives in denial, but it is talked about; Nicole has cast herself in the role of the eternal victim, there are no layers there IMO!

As for EJ, loving him more than ever right now, so I disagree!
YES! I HATE victim Nicole! I want bad-ass, flip em' the bird, I don't give a f#ck what you think of me Nicole! And I want Brady to shake his head at her and then say, "But I can't help it, I love her anyway!" I think cry baby Nicole is insulting...
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Jul 20 2012, 04:40 PM
jaygal
Jul 20 2012, 04:37 PM
God Madison looks HORRIBLE!

TFP
SHe ALWAYS looks awful! And too old for Brady. Who does her hair?? It looks very 70s...
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Jul 20 2012, 05:17 PM
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Jul 20 2012, 05:13 PM
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The man had a stash of bullets in his drawer, Nicole is not above selling people to protect herself. She's done it to EJ, Brady and every other man she has ever been with except maybe Eric. EJ not so kindly told her how things would be where HIS baby is concerned. So naturally Nikki will cut ej in half to protect herself, bless her soul.

We don't even know if those bullets weren't planted by Ian, they were bullets matching Abe's gun.

EJ's not so kindly things were only after she declared the baby Rafes and started to deny him his kid for no reason at all other than her own petty jealousy and vindictiveness. She could have not been with EJ and still not deny him that child. There's joint custody in Salem isn't there? Nicole started this nonsense with the baby, not EJ. He's reacting to her lies and attempt to keep him from his child.
We do know the bullets were planted by Ian - they showed that as part of his flashbacks revealing he's the one setting EJ up.

And EJ in jeans... :blush:
OMG, those jeans! I stopped cold and stared for a good 4 seconds. Mmmmm...
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