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Spoilers for the week of July 23rd; *UPDATED 7/17*
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rachelgreen
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Jul 20 2012, 11:48 PM
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- Jul 20 2012, 11:03 AM
Unless she actually takes a bullet and have someone actually try and snuff out her life while it's hanging by a thread, I wouldn't call it making up for the twice attempted murder.
Nicole has every right to be mad at EJ, I hate that she is trying keep him away from his child because she wins nothing from it but I get why she doesn't want to play with ej any more, and it's not like he is giving her any reason to change her mind now is it?
what twice attempted murder? Sami make have been the one to make the decision to pull the plug, but it was not a decision she wanted to make AND it was made at the advice of Lexie; the other most important person in EJ's life. and I personally had no issue with Sami shooting EJ; it was har lack of remorse and always wanting him dead after that was my issue, so for her to put her life in the way to save his pretty much makes up for it IMO. I men after all the others did not make up for their wrong by having the same done to them! She has a right to be mad at EJ, at herself as well too, because she knew the score from day one; however she has no right to keep his child from him. She does not have to be with EJ for him to be a father to his child; EJ has shown that he would work within a custody agreement now and in the past, so there really is no excuse for her behaviour IMO!
Sami also tried to kill EJ with the knockout lipstick and burning cabin.
that is not accurate. as i recall, sami could not go through with it. anyway, it was all a set up.
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- Dee-anne
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- Jul 20 2012, 02:10 PM
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They devoted almost an entire episode to showing Nicole telling him all about what she did, and why she did it. She cried as she told him. We didn't have to guess that EJ was upset, we saw all of what he did afterward as a result. When Nicole came out of prison, the few scenes EJole had, it was mentioned. He mentioned what she did, when he came upon Nicole talking to Arianna at the police station, he mentioned it again when he followed to the pier. They discussed it again when Nicole found out that he was the one that kidnapped Syd. It was mentioned again when Nicole went to bargain with EJ so that she could be in Syd's life. She was sorry and she knew that she hurt him, this is what she told EJ. And as I said before, Nicole mentioned it to EJ again around the time he asked her to marry him a second time. They were at the mansion and EJ had removed the tracking bracelet from around her wrist, and he said to her that from now on he wants some trust between them so, he will start by removing the bracelet. (words to that effect) He already knew she did not like that he gave her one, and we also knew why he gave her the tracking bracelet in the first place. So in regards to the tracking bracelet there is not much more to discuss but, he certainly did not magically get over what Nicole did. From her release from prison to him asking her to marry him a second time, a lot of time had passed and each time during that period that EJ mentioned it to Nicole, you could see that he was still upset about what she did. As for Taylor, they did not just discuss Taylor at the restaurant, they brought her up quite a few time. Well Nicole brought her up quite a few times, and we saw the process they went through before she finally decided to give him another chance. As to EJ trying to kill Nicole. I suppose it's because what I saw on screen is that EJ just held her neck, and he did not squeeze, there was no struggle on Nicole's part, and he did not harm Nicole in any way, so it is difficult for me to buy that he tried to kill her. I know Nicole has mentioned that he did but, the visual did not play out that way, and that makes a huge difference. I don't think it is necessary for them to discuss this. EJ had already told Nicole that if she breaths a word of what he did in regards to the Sydnapping, he would kill her. Nicole took him seriously. She told Rafe that she was more scared of the Dimeras than the FBI and that she was scared for her life. Nicole spilled and she was looking over her shoulder ever since, until EJ turned up. Don't need anymore discussion about this unless, it was for him to say he was sorry. I guess if he had hurt her that day, he would have said he was sorry but, when he left she was fine, and he was the one that got shot in the head. Even though I am a fan of EJole, I am glad Nicole stood her ground and did not take him back. Hope they will work it out but, I want good and believable writing that gets them back together.
As I said, I get that fans of EJole think these things were enough - or were sincere. But I could go through a play by play of every snippet of conversation EJami have had in the past several years about their various hurts and it would read much the same as what you've provided. Scenes that were certainly enough for me (although I'd happily lap up more) - but would likely bore you to tears and seem easily dismissable. That's my point about how it will never be enough for people that dislike a pairing versus it always being enough for the people that love them.
EJ and Sami being bff's and her suddenly all attracted to him and wanting to kiss him whenever they are in a room together came out of the blue. One minute they hated each other and the next, they having griefsex which they were both were saying was a mistake. From what we were seeing on screen they seemed repulsed by what they had done. But the greifsex suddenly became good sex on Sami's part. Why are they suddenly friends. Why has Sami forgiven EJ. Did EJ tell her that he was sorry for having put a stranger in her bed that had sex with her over and over again. Why does it all of a sudden not matter to her that he did that as well as the other things he did to her. Did she ask him why, did he give a satisfactory answer. Why did she cheat on Rafe who has been nothing but good to her, and was out at the time busy looking for her missing son. Why did she go out of her way to see EJ of all people and bypass, everyone of her family who could give her comfort. We got no answer to any of this, just one minute EJ and Sami hate each other the next, they are friends after sharing a drink. The audience are left wondering what the hell just happened, did we miss quite a few episodes. I heard EJ ask Sami why did she come to the mansion that night and even though the question was asked, I don't think we got a reply. At least with EJole we knew why most things happened. There was no sudden getting back together out of the blue. Not the first time, the second time or the third. They went through a process to get to each stage.
i am still trying to figure why any parent would let a convicted kidnapper near his child, the same child that she had kidnapped in the first place?
fist of all, rafe is not exactly an innocent victim here. he was emotionally cheating on sami even before the griefsex. he was falling in love with sami's sister. so he gets no sympathy.
secondly, sami went to ej because she thought he had taken johnny. even there was still a lot anger, they could not help themselves. the important thing to remember is if sami really loved rafe, she would have never cheated on him with ej. after everything they had put each other through, the connection was still there buried under the hurt and so called hate. the same can be said for ej, if ej truly loved nicole, he would not have cheated on her with sami or taylor for that matter. they cheated because the other relationships they were in did not have a strong enough foundation.
it was good sex obviously because not only sami said so. but ej is still all over sami trying to get on her pants. it must have been good real good.
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Jul 20 2012, 11:49 PM
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- Jul 20 2012, 05:38 PM
Why does Lucas always look so mad in pics ? It's annoying. Because Lucas IS always mad. It's exhausting! :eyeroll:
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Jul 20 2012, 11:56 PM
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- Jul 19 2012, 03:44 PM
If the sex is enjoyable and great the audience should know by watching it. I didn't see that with grief sex either during or by their reactions after the fact.
That must be why they gave Sami the dialogue to clarify it during the wine drinking scene.
That's my point though. It it was good, we wouldn't have to be told.
Lets just face it.......it was a stupid thing to write that parents would have sex when their child was presumed dead. Then, calling it "grief sex" did not help. In fact, it outraged me personally. They should have just written a script like they are doing now......that Sami and EJ enjoy sex with one another. Now, its too late. A good deal of the audience was offended by that scene and cannot make sense of it. I didn't know the audience was offended. I thought TPTB said they got a huge reaction from it and it brought in a lot of feedback. I assumed he meant that in a good way since he said they wanted more stuff like that. Maybe I'm wrong. Did he say it was negative feedback?? My friends said they thought it was hot too. That is how I learned about it. I was off the boards at that time and didn't even know it was coming and some friends who watch the show told me that EJ and Sami got hot out of the blue and that I should watch it. I agree it is not what most people would do when they think their child is dead, but EJ and Sami aren't most people and this is a Soap so I rarely, if ever, let myself be offended by it. (Not counting when I feel offended because the writers obviously think we are retarded and not paying attention. ;) )
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Jul 20 2012, 11:57 PM
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- Jul 20 2012, 07:32 PM
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- Jul 20 2012, 04:37 PM
Hopefully, this is the last time we'll have a photo of Rafe and Carrie saying goodbye. EJ's wearing jeans for his getaway!
Good Plan No one will catch him with that disguise. Ha ha ha ha...Now that was funny!
Perhaps the plan was just to stun them and make them incapable of movement or speech giving him time to run away. (It would sooooo work on me!) :embarrassed:
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julieg1977
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Jul 21 2012, 12:00 AM
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- Liz<3Days
- Jul 20 2012, 09:03 PM
Sami is a boobie prize...the cheap prize given to the LOSER...and right now that's EJ.
Wonder if we'll be getting spoilers for the week after the Olympics? I agree that she is indeed a "boobie-prize", but not in the way ou described it. ;) Just take one look at a scene with her and EJ. Watch his eyes and you'll see what I mean. :embarrassed:
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Jul 21 2012, 12:01 AM
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This may make no sense...
This is one of the most frustrating conversations I've seen in a long time. This discussion isn't about ejami vs ejole, and it's just so ridiculous that it keeps turning into that. I feel like the gist of what I'm reading is that it's okay for one couple to get sucky writing because another couple got sucky writing, too. Yes, one couple was whitewashed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, one was rushed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, they basically ignore one's history. Yes, they do it to the other too. How about they stop doing these things for EVERYONE. Why set the bar so low? I didn't like Ejole one little iota, so I'd prefer to raise the bar a little and use history more effectively and pace things better. I hate the way they use ejami's history, so I'm glad they use the history of the couples I like in a better way (though I'd like it even better if they did it a little more accurately). My preference would be that they do this for all couples. Is that a pipe dream? Probably. But it just seems silly to want to emulate a story I hated. I don't like any of the current main characters, but it's because there's nothing special about any of them. They're basically all the same. I think I might would be able to like them if they'd incorporate more of their histories into their personalities, relationships, and actions. But they don't. It's pretty much impossible at this point for any of them to be written out of character because none of them even have separate personalities. When it comes to these characters, this show tries to move on too fast and it's too their detriment. As was pointed out before, they still effectively bring up the histories of all the vets (except Winston). Why can't they do it to the characters we're supposed to be focusing on?
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Jul 21 2012, 12:02 AM
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- Kyrai
- Jul 20 2012, 09:58 PM
- SocRMum1
- Jul 20 2012, 09:39 PM
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- Jul 20 2012, 08:59 PM
EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested.
That really just isn't true. From the time EJ met Nicole he was all about Sami - and he made it perfectly clear to Nicole. Nicole suggested he use her to make Sami jealous but even once he did he was putting the kabash on Nicole's advances in the steam room, etc. EJ didn't bang Nicole in the elevator (after he called out Sami's name in the heat of the moment) until Sami stomped on his heart yet again. And even when EJ and Sami were at odds and EJ was trying to date Nicole all it took was a phone call from Lucas telling EJ that Sami needed him at the hospital (when she'd just found out she was pregnant) and he walked out on their date and went to Sami. While there he and Sami ended up arguing because she was jealous at finding out he'd been having dinner with Nicole - his words to Sami? "Do you really think I'd be having dinner with anyone but you if you weren't such a fickle..." When Nicole told EJ she was pregnant he wasn't exactly overjoyed - he wanted proof he was the father first and foremost. And before Sami went off to witness protection EJ went to see her at the cabin to discuss the situation, which he referred to as a 'disaster'. When Sami encouraged him that he should be with Nicole because it was fate EJ told her he'd always thought they were fated to be together. EJ eventually settled for Nicole and I do think he grew to love her. But not in the all encompassing, can't get her out of his heart/head way he has loved Sami. That's just not the way the story has been written and played out on screen - at least not to this point.
That's the way I see it as well. Ej has always seemed to be settling for Nicole to me. When he had Nicole, he even turned to Taylor. It's never seemed like love. I like Nicole and think Ari plays her far better than AS plays Sami, but for some reason, Ejole was very boring to me. Ejami interests me. I don't understand and don't want to understand at this point. Much as I dislike Sami, I like Ejami when it's not bitter and overbearing. I think Ari deserves to have a better story. An exciting adventurous action packed romance, not water down. I'm okay with Dr. Dan (though I would LOVE it if tptb would get rid of Dan and Rafe) until Eric comes back. I'm hoping he will be a true love story (NOT insta-love, but a journey back together). I don't see Nicole with Dan as end game. It's a resting place till the real story gets here. Yep! Ari absolutely deserves a better story! I've been waiting and waiting for it!
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Jul 21 2012, 12:09 AM
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EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested.
That really just isn't true. From the time EJ met Nicole he was all about Sami - and he made it perfectly clear to Nicole. Nicole suggested he use her to make Sami jealous but even once he did he was putting the kabash on Nicole's advances in the steam room, etc. EJ didn't bang Nicole in the elevator (after he called out Sami's name in the heat of the moment) until Sami stomped on his heart yet again. And even when EJ and Sami were at odds and EJ was trying to date Nicole all it took was a phone call from Lucas telling EJ that Sami needed him at the hospital (when she'd just found out she was pregnant) and he walked out on their date and went to Sami. While there he and Sami ended up arguing because she was jealous at finding out he'd been having dinner with Nicole - his words to Sami? "Do you really think I'd be having dinner with anyone but you if you weren't such a fickle..." When Nicole told EJ she was pregnant he wasn't exactly overjoyed - he wanted proof he was the father first and foremost. And before Sami went off to witness protection EJ went to see her at the cabin to discuss the situation, which he referred to as a 'disaster'. When Sami encouraged him that he should be with Nicole because it was fate EJ told her he'd always thought they were fated to be together. EJ eventually settled for Nicole and I do think he grew to love her. But not in the all encompassing, can't get her out of his heart/head way he has loved Sami. That's just not the way the story has been written and played out on screen - at least not to this point. Agreed. It's quite obvious that Sami has been EJ's main focus and priority ever since he came to Salem. EJ's chosen Sami over Nicole time and time again. Even Nicole said it's always "Sami, Sami, Sami"! At least Nicole is FINALLY smart enough to see that she's never been #1 for EJ!
Even James Scott, who clearly knows the character of EJ more than anyone, said in the recent soap series interview that EJ's had two significant love interests- Sami & Taylor.
EJ has felt love for Nicole, but he's never been in love with her. As a fan of Nicole, I surely hope she stays away from the guy that's chosen other women over her several times. I definitely don't want to see a boring 5th attempt of an Ejole romance. :shame:
I love the chemistry between Nicole and Daniel and I see potential between Nicole & Rafe! Nicole has been wanting a guy that she can trust & be her white knight. I think Daniel, Rafe, Brady, and Eric are all great options for Nicole!
EJAMI have off the charts chemistry and I hope to finally see them in a a real, long term romance! :biggrin:
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Jul 21 2012, 12:09 AM
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- Jul 20 2012, 04:46 PM
The man had a stash of bullets in his drawer, Nicole is not above selling people to protect herself. She's done it to EJ, Brady and every other man she has ever been with except maybe Eric. EJ not so kindly told her how things would be where HIS baby is concerned. So naturally Nikki will cut ej in half to protect herself, bless her soul.
Sending her to jail and her trying to do the same albeit for different reasons and motives doesn't change the fact that they still love one another deeply and are both hurting. They don't exactly have a conventional relationship and I like it that way. There's nothing or no one that can compare to these two whether they are loving or fighting or framing or blackmailing each other. It's all good.
somebody planted those bullets in ej's apartment. lol that right there is the reason nicole does not deserve ej. she is opportunist bitch.
she did sell out eric as well when she dumps him to marry lucas for 5 millions bucks. ej took a stand against her about HIS baby because nicole is lying and trying to keep him out of the baby's life. ej was justified. i hope he follows up on his threats.
ej does not love nicole, maybe as a pet. but the only woman ej has ever loved is sami and that will never change. nicole will always be his back up plan.
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The man had a stash of bullets in his drawer, Nicole is not above selling people to protect herself. She's done it to EJ, Brady and every other man she has ever been with except maybe Eric. EJ not so kindly told her how things would be where HIS baby is concerned. So naturally Nikki will cut ej in half to protect herself, bless her soul.
Sending her to jail and her trying to do the same albeit for different reasons and motives doesn't change the fact that they still love one another deeply and are both hurting. They don't exactly have a conventional relationship and I like it that way. There's nothing or no one that can compare to these two whether they are loving or fighting or framing or blackmailing each other. It's all good.
somebody planted those bullets in ej's apartment. lol that right there is the reason nicole does not deserve ej. she is opportunist bitch. she did sell out eric as well when she dumps him to marry lucas for 5 millions bucks. ej took a stand against her about HIS baby because nicole is lying and trying to keep him out of the baby's life. ej was justified. i hope he follows up on his threats. ej does not love nicole, maybe as a pet. but the only woman ej has ever loved is sami and that will never change. nicole will always be his back up plan. Never and Always don't really work when discussing characters that are at the mercy of writers.
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Nobody told me Lucas was going to be playing the role of Captain of this sinking ship.
He's only missing his Captain's hat & an ascot.
No wonder he's pissed.
PS. EJ in those jeans...so hot there needs to be a new word for hot.
Sami looks like she was going to get dressed for church but forgot her bottom half.
I use to love Magstor-in theory-that was, before they kissed & it was the ICK heard round the world, but I'm so over them.
Mag ruined Mr Peanut for me.
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- Jul 21 2012, 12:01 AM
This may make no sense...
This is one of the most frustrating conversations I've seen in a long time. This discussion isn't about ejami vs ejole, and it's just so ridiculous that it keeps turning into that. I feel like the gist of what I'm reading is that it's okay for one couple to get sucky writing because another couple got sucky writing, too. Yes, one couple was whitewashed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, one was rushed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, they basically ignore one's history. Yes, they do it to the other too. How about they stop doing these things for EVERYONE. Why set the bar so low? I didn't like Ejole one little iota, so I'd prefer to raise the bar a little and use history more effectively and pace things better. I hate the way they use ejami's history, so I'm glad they use the history of the couples I like in a better way (though I'd like it even better if they did it a little more accurately). My preference would be that they do this for all couples. Is that a pipe dream? Probably. But it just seems silly to want to emulate a story I hated. I don't like any of the current main characters, but it's because there's nothing special about any of them. They're basically all the same. I think I might would be able to like them if they'd incorporate more of their histories into their personalities, relationships, and actions. But they don't. It's pretty much impossible at this point for any of them to be written out of character because none of them even have separate personalities. When it comes to these characters, this show tries to move on too fast and it's too their detriment. As was pointed out before, they still effectively bring up the histories of all the vets (except Winston). Why can't they do it to the characters we're supposed to be focusing on? Thank you.
To me, this is the #1 problem with the show. Among the current leads there aren't characters. Just cogs in the machine.
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Jul 21 2012, 12:38 AM
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This may make no sense...
This is one of the most frustrating conversations I've seen in a long time. This discussion isn't about ejami vs ejole, and it's just so ridiculous that it keeps turning into that. I feel like the gist of what I'm reading is that it's okay for one couple to get sucky writing because another couple got sucky writing, too. Yes, one couple was whitewashed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, one was rushed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, they basically ignore one's history. Yes, they do it to the other too. How about they stop doing these things for EVERYONE. Why set the bar so low? I didn't like Ejole one little iota, so I'd prefer to raise the bar a little and use history more effectively and pace things better. I hate the way they use ejami's history, so I'm glad they use the history of the couples I like in a better way (though I'd like it even better if they did it a little more accurately). My preference would be that they do this for all couples. Is that a pipe dream? Probably. But it just seems silly to want to emulate a story I hated. I don't like any of the current main characters, but it's because there's nothing special about any of them. They're basically all the same. I think I might would be able to like them if they'd incorporate more of their histories into their personalities, relationships, and actions. But they don't. It's pretty much impossible at this point for any of them to be written out of character because none of them even have separate personalities. When it comes to these characters, this show tries to move on too fast and it's too their detriment. As was pointed out before, they still effectively bring up the histories of all the vets (except Winston). Why can't they do it to the characters we're supposed to be focusing on? I agree that both Ejole and Ejami got the same sucky, turn-on-a-dime, non-build-up writing. Frankly, the show is 80% utter shyte. The stories are either boring, non-sensical or both. Most of the characters and couples are non-descript. Really, I feel like all I have left to get excited about are occasional good scenes. Ejami has had an abundance of them lately and I've loved them, but their overall story arc isn't well-drawn, logical or layered. And that's because nothing is on Days. Frankly, I've given up hope of Days ever being a good show again. So yeah, I feel like all I have left to look forward to are good scenes from time-to-time. Sad.
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Jul 21 2012, 12:42 AM
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- Jul 21 2012, 12:01 AM
This may make no sense...
This is one of the most frustrating conversations I've seen in a long time. This discussion isn't about ejami vs ejole, and it's just so ridiculous that it keeps turning into that. I feel like the gist of what I'm reading is that it's okay for one couple to get sucky writing because another couple got sucky writing, too. Yes, one couple was whitewashed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, one was rushed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, they basically ignore one's history. Yes, they do it to the other too. How about they stop doing these things for EVERYONE. Why set the bar so low? I didn't like Ejole one little iota, so I'd prefer to raise the bar a little and use history more effectively and pace things better. I hate the way they use ejami's history, so I'm glad they use the history of the couples I like in a better way (though I'd like it even better if they did it a little more accurately). My preference would be that they do this for all couples. Is that a pipe dream? Probably. But it just seems silly to want to emulate a story I hated. I don't like any of the current main characters, but it's because there's nothing special about any of them. They're basically all the same. I think I might would be able to like them if they'd incorporate more of their histories into their personalities, relationships, and actions. But they don't. It's pretty much impossible at this point for any of them to be written out of character because none of them even have separate personalities. When it comes to these characters, this show tries to move on too fast and it's too their detriment. As was pointed out before, they still effectively bring up the histories of all the vets (except Winston). Why can't they do it to the characters we're supposed to be focusing on?
I agree that both Ejole and Ejami got the same sucky, turn-on-a-dime, non-build-up writing. Frankly, the show is 80% utter shyte. The stories are either boring, non-sensical or both. Most of the characters and couples are non-descript. Really, I feel like all I have left to get excited about are occasional good scenes. Ejami has had an abundance of them lately and I've loved them, but their overall story arc isn't well-drawn, logical or layered. And that's because nothing is on Days. Frankly, I've given up hope of Days ever being a good show again. So yeah, I feel like all I have left to look forward to are good scenes from time-to-time. Sad. Agreed. And yes, ALL the couples are non-descript. If I tuned in for the first time in September, I wouldn't see any reason to like any couple. At least some of these couples had decent writing once upon a time. I eagerly await the day Tomlin is fired. It may not help, but it will make me feel good.
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Jul 21 2012, 01:39 AM
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The last couple weeks, EJ just wants his baby and could care less what or whom Nicole is doing. Before that he was begging her back, when his scedule allowed, but that looks over. I've seen not one thing on screen or in spoilers that tells me he's "playing" Sami. She's certainly not playing him because she doesn't have to. She has everything she says she wants at home. All she has to do is stop sneaking over to EJ's house/apartment to see him. The characters and the actors have explained why EJ and Sami can't stay away from each other and why Sami went to the manse the night of Griefsex. Even other characters on the like Rafe, Nicole and Lucas have talked about those reasons. Sami is going to EJ, still, and he's more than happy to see her. If at Olympic cliffhanger time he tells her it was all a scheme, and drops her on her ass, I'll be the first one posting I was wrong, but I'm not a bit worried that will happen.
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Jul 21 2012, 07:02 AM
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- Jul 20 2012, 11:27 PM
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Speaking of lists, why is there no emotional weight behind these moments between EJ and Sami. Why can't she continue being pissed he did what he did? Why can't he be the same with what she did to him? Why can't we see them try to work through these enormous road blocks to a healthy relationship and actually get a meaningful payoff? That's why I can't ever take them seriously.
That is certainly not exclusive to EJami. You could pretty much insert the name of any other pairing (EJole, Bope, Jack & Jen, etc) into that paragraph and the same would be true. It would make for great soapy drama if they'd write any of the couples like that - but they don't. :shrug:
Bope did get back together too quickly after Bo broke it off with Carly. I dd not like that . I thought Hope should have taken a bit longer to forgive Bo. Jack and Jen was definatley rushed, when it should not have been. It is not the same for EJole. EJ was upset when he found out that Nicole lost his baby and the why and how was discussed between them. The switching of the baby was discussed between them, why she did it and how she did it. EJ was angry with her for a long time. Even when he wanted to marry her the second time, Nicole mentioned what she did again and wanted to know if he forgave her. When he cheated on her with Taylor, she left him and wanted nothing more to do with him. An opportunity came when Nicole asked him why he did it. Although his reply was lame it was discussed between them. It was obvious he wanted to make peace with Nicole and wanted her back. He apologised quite a few times but she still did not go back to him, it took more time, more discussion and action before Nicole finally gave in. He cheated on her again, and ever since she found out she wants nothing to do with EJ. He has apologised, pleaded with her to come back to him but she has refused him. He knows why because she tells him why. The things that they have done to each other is not brushed aside or mentioned lightly in a conversation, and they move on as if nothing happened. To this day Nicole still cannot forgive him, they are not together and they are not being bff's. Don't know what it will take for her to forgive him, but this is more like it. It is more realistic and believable that she would still be upset over what he did. He hurt her badly and she would find it difficult to trust him with her heart again. I don't like that she is keeping his child from him but, I understand why she would not give him a second chance.
it took ejami 2 years to get past the shooting and kidnapping and they are still dealing with it. there is still a lot of anger and resentment underlined. i think that is a fair amount of time. how long did it take ejole to reunite after ej cheated on nicole with her own sister? - Dee-anne
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- Jul 20 2012, 01:56 PM
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Sorry - I just don't see it that way. I don't recall any heart to heart between EJole about the baby switch/Sydnapping. EJ was pissed for a long time...and then he seemed to magically get over it. Nicole may have wimpered a few lines about wanting him to raise his baby that Sami was going to hide from him (and man oh man...there's some irony in THAT now, isn't there? :rolleyes: ) but it certainly was no deep discussion. I don't recall them ever discussing EJ trying to kill her the night of his busted up wedding. I don't remember any conversation about making her wear a tracking bracelet. And the Taylor thing? I don't consider a "what were you thinking?" and basically a shrug and a chuckle in response from him the type of convo that sets things straight and forges a new beginning. I get that it was enough for their fans. Just like I'm happy to go with the conversations that EJami have had about what's happened between them in the past. It's all part of our own personal biases - and no couple/fan base is immune to it.
They devoted almost an entire episode to showing Nicole telling him all about what she did, and why she did it. She cried as she told him. We didn't have to guess that EJ was upset, we saw all of what he did afterward as a result. When Nicole came out of prison, the few scenes EJole had, it was mentioned. He mentioned what she did, when he came upon Nicole talking to Arianna at the police station, he mentioned it again when he followed to the pier. They discussed it again when Nicole found out that he was the one that kidnapped Syd. It was mentioned again when Nicole went to bargain with EJ so that she could be in Syd's life. She was sorry and she knew that she hurt him, this is what she told EJ. And as I said before, Nicole mentioned it to EJ again around the time he asked her to marry him a second time. They were at the mansion and EJ had removed the tracking bracelet from around her wrist, and he said to her that from now on he wants some trust between them so, he will start by removing the bracelet. (words to that effect) He already knew she did not like that he gave her one, and we also knew why he gave her the tracking bracelet in the first place. So in regards to the tracking bracelet there is not much more to discuss but, he certainly did not magically get over what Nicole did. From her release from prison to him asking her to marry him a second time, a lot of time had passed and each time during that period that EJ mentioned it to Nicole, you could see that he was still upset about what she did. As for Taylor, they did not just discuss Taylor at the restaurant, they brought her up quite a few time. Well Nicole brought her up quite a few times, and we saw the process they went through before she finally decided to give him another chance. As to EJ trying to kill Nicole. I suppose it's because what I saw on screen is that EJ just held her neck, and he did not squeeze, there was no struggle on Nicole's part, and he did not harm Nicole in any way, so it is difficult for me to buy that he tried to kill her. I know Nicole has mentioned that he did but, the visual did not play out that way, and that makes a huge difference. I don't think it is necessary for them to discuss this. EJ had already told Nicole that if she breaths a word of what he did in regards to the Sydnapping, he would kill her. Nicole took him seriously. She told Rafe that she was more scared of the Dimeras than the FBI and that she was scared for her life. Nicole spilled and she was looking over her shoulder ever since, until EJ turned up. Don't need anymore discussion about this unless, it was for him to say he was sorry. I guess if he had hurt her that day, he would have said he was sorry but, when he left she was fine, and he was the one that got shot in the head. Even though I am a fan of EJole, I am glad Nicole stood her ground and did not take him back. Hope they will work it out but, I want good and believable writing that gets them back together.
the only reason ej asked nicole to marry her the second time was to piss sami off. he was using nicole against sami. there was no love or romance involved. come to think of it, ej has been using nicole from the start. he started using her to make sami jealous and he continued to use her for sex whenever he is lonely and sami dumps him. ej only took nicole back because taylor had dumped him. has ej ever ever chosen nicole first? lol, the way i saw it, ej would have choked nicole to death if daniel had not interrupted him. nicole was acting like she was hurt as she was rubbing her neck and daniel sure acted like ej was trying to murder her. not to mention, ej did tell lexie he was going to kill nicole. so yeah, it played on screen that he tried to murder her. i guess we see what we want to see. EJ did not ask Nicole to marry him the second time to just piss Sami off. He already had plans for Sami in place, Rafe 2. That would be just silly of him to tie himself to a woman by marrying her just because the mother of his children would not like it. That is idiotic. He wanted to marry Nicole because he wanted her, simple as that. Otherwise it would not have been necessary for him to want Brady out of her life, nor a need for marriage. Even he was using Nicole to piss Sami off, I can't see the love there for Sami. Definately did not see the love for Sami when he was drinking a toast with his father and laughing about Sami bedding a stranger. No man who is in love with a woman would do that to her. He certainly was not laughing when he saw the picture of Brady and Nicole having sex. He disliked it so much that he came up with a way to prevent her from going behind his back to continue seeing Brady.
As to EJ using Nicole to make Sami jealous. Saying that he used her, makes it seem that he was taking advantage of Nicole when that was not the case. When they met, they became fast friends. He knew Nicole hates Sami and she would be willing to play along with his little game. He asked her first if she was willing and Nicole was all for it, just to piss Sami off. When she wanted a favor, she rang EJ and he was willing to help. That's what friends do.
EJ did not take Nicole back because Taylor dumped him. Taylor wanted to go back with him and he was not interested. He wanted Nicole back.
As for EJ choking Nicole, the point is Nicole remained unharmed. There was not a cut or a bruise on her even if it was because Daniel interrupted. While we saw Sami look at sleeping EJ, raised the gun pointed and shot him in the head. She looked at the blood flowing from his wound for a moment and rushed off, and the next she was having sex with Rafe. Don't see the love on Sami's side for EJ either.
Which is why it is so hard to understand this sudden moving on to being bff's and her constantly wanting to kiss EJ. Each time they try to put Sami and EJ together they have to turn them into morons.
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Jul 21 2012, 07:14 AM
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Exactly. It always makes me laugh when fans say this couple or that couple will never get back together or this character or that will only love a certain person. It is a soap so it ain't so folks.
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Jul 21 2012, 07:44 AM
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I'm really hoping for an Ejami kiss when they're saying goodbye.
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Jul 21 2012, 08:03 AM
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- Jul 21 2012, 12:01 AM
This may make no sense...
This is one of the most frustrating conversations I've seen in a long time. This discussion isn't about ejami vs ejole, and it's just so ridiculous that it keeps turning into that. I feel like the gist of what I'm reading is that it's okay for one couple to get sucky writing because another couple got sucky writing, too. Yes, one couple was whitewashed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, one was rushed. Yes, so was the other. Yes, they basically ignore one's history. Yes, they do it to the other too. How about they stop doing these things for EVERYONE. Why set the bar so low? I didn't like Ejole one little iota, so I'd prefer to raise the bar a little and use history more effectively and pace things better. I hate the way they use ejami's history, so I'm glad they use the history of the couples I like in a better way (though I'd like it even better if they did it a little more accurately). My preference would be that they do this for all couples. Is that a pipe dream? Probably. But it just seems silly to want to emulate a story I hated. I don't like any of the current main characters, but it's because there's nothing special about any of them. They're basically all the same. I think I might would be able to like them if they'd incorporate more of their histories into their personalities, relationships, and actions. But they don't. It's pretty much impossible at this point for any of them to be written out of character because none of them even have separate personalities. When it comes to these characters, this show tries to move on too fast and it's too their detriment. As was pointed out before, they still effectively bring up the histories of all the vets (except Winston). Why can't they do it to the characters we're supposed to be focusing on?
I agree that both Ejole and Ejami got the same sucky, turn-on-a-dime, non-build-up writing. Frankly, the show is 80% utter shyte. The stories are either boring, non-sensical or both. Most of the characters and couples are non-descript. Really, I feel like all I have left to get excited about are occasional good scenes. Ejami has had an abundance of them lately and I've loved them, but their overall story arc isn't well-drawn, logical or layered. And that's because nothing is on Days. Frankly, I've given up hope of Days ever being a good show again. So yeah, I feel like all I have left to look forward to are good scenes from time-to-time. Sad.
Agreed. And yes, ALL the couples are non-descript. If I tuned in for the first time in September, I wouldn't see any reason to like any couple. At least some of these couples had decent writing once upon a time. I eagerly await the day Tomlin is fired. It may not help, but it will make me feel good. I couldn't agree with this more. The lack of history and consequences has killed Days.
People can do bad things and recover. Bill raped Laura and accidentally killed someone covering it up, Doug came to town to fleece a rich woman and was paid to ruin Julie's marriage, Steve was a thug initially, Jack a spoiled shallow rapist initially, Shane gave Roman over to Stefano to save Drew and never told anyone Roman was in Stefano's clutches for years (Ok, I still have trouble even typing that it's so unbelievable - though I liked that story with belief suspended), Vic was an evil criminal giant who raped Kim and did all sort of bad stuff, Marlena cheated on Roman, Marlena was jealous of Isabella and took it out on Brady (ditto to the Shane comment above), etc, etc.
But we saw the characters evolve past the things they've done, often suffering till we rooted for them to forgive themselves.
The characters today have certainly suffered, but not the same way that reformed characters used to. They suffer while others do things to them, but they don't have long memories of their own issues. Occasionally, they may show remorse but it's random and forgotten the next day vs. that remorse shaping them. There's no growth. In the case of Sami, it seems truly bizarre that she seems to think so highly of herself most of the time and seems to think she's a saint while berating everyone else for the least thing. She may have a brief moment of true feeling, but it never seems to last. How she has become the new 'heroine' of the show is beyond me. I could see it if she grew like Bill,Doug,Julie,Jack, etc did back in the day, but she hasn't. It's baffling.
Characters need to evolve. If they are just random, we get what we have today. No one worth investing in because nothing on the show matters. You have to progress, not loop around aimlessly.
It doesn't mean I think the writers can't start growing the characters vs. flopping along helplessly forever. They need to start. They 'could' start giving Sami, Ej, Nicole, Lucas, Brady, etc value as a character. Today, NONE of them do. They are generic entities playing the role of the day.
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Jul 21 2012, 08:07 AM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Dee-anne
- Jul 20 2012, 10:47 PM
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EJ was giving Nicole a lot of interested glances from the moment they met and no one can blame him. Nicole is a beautiful, shapely woman with a great personality and funny too. She also has a much more mature attitude than Sami. EJ did most of the chasing where Nicole was concerned, even when she told him to leave her alone he did not. There were opportunities where he could have gone back with Sami if he wanted to but he didn't because he was not interested.
That really just isn't true. From the time EJ met Nicole he was all about Sami - and he made it perfectly clear to Nicole. Nicole suggested he use her to make Sami jealous but even once he did he was putting the kabash on Nicole's advances in the steam room, etc. EJ didn't bang Nicole in the elevator (after he called out Sami's name in the heat of the moment) until Sami stomped on his heart yet again. And even when EJ and Sami were at odds and EJ was trying to date Nicole all it took was a phone call from Lucas telling EJ that Sami needed him at the hospital (when she'd just found out she was pregnant) and he walked out on their date and went to Sami. While there he and Sami ended up arguing because she was jealous at finding out he'd been having dinner with Nicole - his words to Sami? "Do you really think I'd be having dinner with anyone but you if you weren't such a fickle..." When Nicole told EJ she was pregnant he wasn't exactly overjoyed - he wanted proof he was the father first and foremost. And before Sami went off to witness protection EJ went to see her at the cabin to discuss the situation, which he referred to as a 'disaster'. When Sami encouraged him that he should be with Nicole because it was fate EJ told her he'd always thought they were fated to be together. EJ eventually settled for Nicole and I do think he grew to love her. But not in the all encompassing, can't get her out of his heart/head way he has loved Sami. That's just not the way the story has been written and played out on screen - at least not to this point.
He was all about Sami and his kids and making a family with them before he met Nicole but, when he met Nicole he was deinitely attracted to her there is no doubt. He certainly was giving her interesting glances and they became good friends. Did not say he fell in love with her the first time he saw her.They messed around to make Sami jealous but he was certainly enjoying being with Nicole and she was enjoying being with him. They both grew very attracted to each other. I thought it was so unbelievable that he called out Sami's name when he was making love to Nicole in the elevator because the sex with Nicole looked way hotter that the sex I saw him have with Sami before Lucas turned and Sami leaped out of his bed. EJ certainly looked as if he was enjoying it more. Anyway even the elevator sex niether were in love with each other. The attraction between them only increased and EJ sought out Nicole to ask her to go into a relationship with him and told her what happened between them was not just about sex. EJ has known Sami a lot longer than he had known Nicole and Sami is the mother of his kids, so if he gets a call that she is in hospital and she needs him, I don't see anything wrong with cancelling a dinner date to go to the hospital. Afterall he did not know what was wrong with her, it could have been serious. And what if Sami was jealous. She was a silly girl even back then. Nothing was stopping her from having EJ if she wanted to. He would have let Nicole down gently and say, I am getting back with her, she is the mother of my kid and I want it to work, end of story, or he may not have wanted to end it with Nicole. He was not happy that Nicole was pregnant because he thought she was lying and her way of getting her hand on the Dimera millions. People had been warning EJ about Nicole from the moment he met her and he ignored them, so it was easy for him to become suspicious, when she told him the news. I certainly did not like his attitutde over it but, he had gathered info about Nicole while he was her lawyer. Yes, EJ and Nicole grew to fall deeply in love each other. I have not liked how they have written some of the EJole story but we got a lot of beautiful, romantic and loving scenes between them. And although Sami will always be in his life because she is the mother of his children, I cannot buy that EJ is in love with Sami because of all the things I have seen him do to her, and even though you may disagree, I think all the things that EJ has done to Sami is far worst than anything that he has ever done to Nicole. I use to root for Ejole but I always thought that Ej settled for her. The main only reason why Nicole is keeping his baby from him, cause she is jealous that he slept with Sami. It always been about Sami in Ej's heart, he does not even treat Sami the same way he treats Nicole. Much less even look at her the same, I do believe he loves her but not like the way he loves Sami.
The fact that he has kids with Sami is not the reason why he prefers her over Nicole, that actually has very little to do with it. Considering that Ejami conflict centered around the kids and whole kidnapping thing, I doubt that was going to stick them together in the long haul.
Nicole knows that she will never replace Sami in Ej's heart, no matter how much she tried. Even when it comes to how Ej gets angry with both Nicole and Sami, he does not even attempt to put his hands on Sami like he does with Nicole, which says a lot.
Ejami are a lot like in many ways, they are both twisted, do things cause they want to do it, but yet they have an irresistible attraction.
Also think it is pretty silly that Nicole is keeping his child from him, the same thing that Sami did claiming that she does not what Ej is going to do with the kids. OH GMAB, she is just jealous cause Ej slept with Sami, her whole protection excuse is lame. She had no problem with him taking care of sydney, so now all of a sudden she is upset what Ej can possibly do? :eyeroll:
Nicole is realizing what half of Salem is: Ejami have this connection that she will never comprehend or understand because she is trying to replace Sami and just never will.
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