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Spoilers for the week of July 23rd; *UPDATED 7/17*
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Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 09:43 AM (64,671 Views)
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3WishGenie
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Jul 15 2012, 07:12 PM
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- Jul 15 2012, 04:47 PM
The latest ratings are actually better. I don't think that you can really count the ratings anymore though. There are only a few daytime soaps left (is it four now?) and a very limited number of people watching them who already have their favorites. But if we were to count them, and be couple specific, Safe and Ejole were the latest most featured couples in the past four years and they went straight to the bottom. They brought back BD and revived Lumi and still no change. I doubt couples have anything to do with ratings. I think everyone is pretty much in agreement that the writing is the real culprit. Couples do have an effect to a certain degree but they should be secondary. There is a reason why daytime soaps are dwindling. They are stuck in a time warp. :hypnotize: I can go back to the 80s, the 90s, early 2000s and pick out the exact same scenarios they are giving us now. Times have changed, there are so many other things going on socially in the world which they could get inspiration from.
Why are talk shows replacing soaps? Because people are interested in real world topics. Things they can relate to. I do think Days HAS attempted this. The election story had potential, given that this is an election year, but it lacked complexity and fell flat. Will's coming out is another story that gained steam and then also fell flat. The writers just couldn't deliver them properly so they jumped back into the time warp and now we have the Ejami triangle, the classic blackmail, the 100th who dun it, and a pregnancy debacle. Throw in the gratuitous sex on the side. :stars:
Now I know many of us watch soaps to escape reality LOL. If they plan to go completely out of left field, I'm fine with that but it better make sense! Like I've said before, I DO like the entertainment value of the comedy/whacky stuff Days has done before, plus the snappy one liners are some of my favs. They add variety. There is a way to work that in without turning the show into a joke. Days really needs new blood with new ideas in their HWs instead of re-hiring people who had their turn and were UNSUCCESSFUL!
Ok i'm done.
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ladyofthelake
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Jul 15 2012, 08:40 PM
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- Jul 12 2012, 04:21 PM
I agree with the anti-EJami sentiment....my god that is played out and each time they hint of going back to it, both characters get more destroyed than the last time....and also much more annoying.
I don't care if EJole happens or whatever, I am a shipper of no relationship of Sami anymore or EJ....I am just BEYOND annoyed and completely uninterested with all the characters involved due to overexposure and dreadfully bad kindergarten writing that is attached to all of it.
Its truly insulting to read, let alone watch. Amen, brother. Plus, the debates that involve anything with EJ and Sami are getting beyond boring.
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Jul 15 2012, 09:23 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- Jul 15 2012, 06:21 PM
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Oh and on the ratings the demo has hit record lows for three straight weeks.
And they also gained 80,000 viewers last week. While every other soap lost viewers. What caused that? If you're going to use ratings to claim your couple should be on air and couple B is causing the ratings decline it's silly. One couple either way does not make or break the ratings. There's lots of numbers involved and while they are down in one area, they are up in another. The show isn't going to be canceled because of one couple. Look at the amount of women viewers the lost (in the younger category) it seems the gain was in the audience NBC no longer considers important, I obviously disagree with them but they don't even care about the over 49 crowd and it seems those are the only viewers this shit is attracting or keeping.
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Jul 15 2012, 09:24 PM
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The problem is lack of character development. The characters are flat as cardboard. Whoever said they're all interchangeable aka shitty was spot on.
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Jul 15 2012, 09:25 PM
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- Jul 15 2012, 05:28 PM
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- Jul 15 2012, 04:47 PM
The latest ratings are actually better. I don't think that you can really count the ratings anymore though. There are only a few daytime soaps left (is it four now?) and a very limited number of people watching them who already have their favorites. But if we were to count them, and be couple specific, Safe and Ejole were the latest most featured couples in the past four years and they went straight to the bottom. They brought back BD and revived Lumi and still no change. I doubt couples have anything to do with ratings.
LUMI isn't revived, they aren't getting root able writing, still no love scene and I'd even venture into he was only brought back to shut up his fans. This isn't even LUMI, they are watering them down. They've had a few nice moments, some nice dialogue too but nothing like the LUMI I remember. Oh and on the ratings the demo has hit record lows for three straight weeks.
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- Jul 15 2012, 05:00 PM
- LuvingLumi
- Jul 15 2012, 04:54 PM
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- Jul 15 2012, 04:47 PM
The latest ratings are actually better. I don't think that you can really count the ratings anymore though. There are only a few daytime soaps left (is it four now?) and a very limited number of people watching them who already have their favorites. But if we were to count them, and be couple specific, Safe and Ejole were the latest most featured couples in the past four years and they went straight to the bottom. They brought back BD and revived Lumi and still no change. I doubt couples have anything to do with ratings.
LUMI isn't revived, they aren't getting root able writing, still no love scene and I'd even venture into he was only brought back to shut up his fans. This isn't even LUMI, they are watering them down. They've had a few nice moments, some nice dialogue too but nothing like the LUMI I remember. Oh and on the ratings the demo has hit record lows for three straight weeks.
Exactly you can't blame Lumi when Sami shares most of her scenes with Ej. It's obvious that MarDar were just using Lumi to prop Ejami.
i don't blame lumi actually. but the point is if couple and characters had the power to shift the rating drastically, the ratings should have hit the roof when BD returned and and lumi reunited. as it is right now, lumi are a couple and they are in love...supposedly. so a few scenes between ejami should not really matter after all ej is just angst for lumi from what i understand. furthermore, nicole being pregnant with the ejole baby and ej professing his love for nicole for the past several weeks should have helped the rating as well. but it did not as far as know. can anyone tell me if the rating went to the roof when ejole were getting back together before the griefsex and safe were happily married? on second thought, we can't even know for sure if it had anything with safe/ejole since that was the time all the vets came back. They centre the show too much around Sami. That is the problem as well as the terrible writing and lack of imagination on the writers part. Lucas and Nicole has not been shown as much as Sami, Rafe and EJ. The other couples on the show are not shown as much either. It seems like weeks will go by before we see Bradison, not that I mind.
The last time I enjoyed most of the show was around the time when we had EJole heavily shown, Brady and EJ disliking each other and being jealous over Nicole, ,when Phillip was still around, Daniel and Chloe relationship was going strong and Melanie was written in a way that I liked her, Melani and Phillip before they got married, Vivian and Victor. All This was around 2008/09 and the ratings were much better then.
When the babyswitch was revealed, Nicole went to prison, and we were left with Sami, Rafe EJ dominating the screen time for the length of the sydapping story. We also had Sami not making up her mind between Rafe and EJ. When the Sydapping ended we had Sami, and this time 2 Rafe's, and EJ dominating the screen time. This was around 2010/11 and ratings were down. Nicole was shown but not as frequently as those 3. She had only the odd interactions with EJ.
Then they decided to move Nicole back with EJ and they looked as if they were going to write for EJole but instead they brought on Taylor for EJ. So then we had the 2 Rafe's, Sami, EJ and Taylor heavily featured. No other characters got as much screen time. Chloe being a prostitute was another disaster so, understandably the ratings did not improve.
When Mardar started writing for EJole again. Nicole was still not on as much as EJ and Sami and Rafe. We saw her like once per week, sometimes every two/three weeks while Sami was in almost every story line and on almost every single day.
It did not take them long to put Sami back into the EJole's story even though we were seeing so liitle of them in the first place. So, they had EJ and Sami have griefsex and once again we have EJ, Sami, Rafe and now Will dominating screen time. It is just recently we are seeing a little more of Nicole now they are writing her with Daniel.
Even though Sami is suppose to be in a relationship with Lucas, I agree that they show her more with EJ than Lucas. I think the writing for Lucas is very bias. It is obvious the writers have a preference for EJ and I don't think that is fair.
In conclusion I blame Sami, Rafe and EJ and the awful writing for the decline of the ratings. Not saying that there have not been some good scenes shown on days, there have been but, non of them that I considered really good involved EJ, Sami and Rafe. I think EJ scenes with Lexi were good but, considering I am suppose to like EJ, I haven't felt too sorry for him for all his loses. Maybe because he seems to have moved on just as quickly as Sami over her marriage to the love of her life.
I have often wondered if Stefano is alive and EJ knows it, because if there is one person we were 100% sure that EJ loved, it was Stefano and he certainly did not grieve very long over his death whether or not he was his father. I blame the writing once again.
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Jul 15 2012, 09:27 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- Ej_Sami
- Jul 15 2012, 06:31 PM
Bring on ejami I'm so ready! If they're the reason the show gets cancel so be it. Hopefully I get some wonderful ejami moments before it does :cheer: :cart: If the show can survive boring safe ejole and lumi I don't understand how ejami will cause the show to be cancel.. I stand in agreement with this, I love Ejami and if other couples can survive, so can they.
No I don't think Ejami are ratings gold, neither do I think any other couple is.
The whole argument is silly,when this show is an ensemble cast.
Does not matter who is featured on more, ONE couple does not make or break the show.
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Jul 15 2012, 09:59 PM
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- Jul 15 2012, 06:31 PM
Bring on ejami I'm so ready! If they're the reason the show gets cancel so be it. Hopefully I get some wonderful ejami moments before it does :cheer: :cart: If the show can survive boring safe ejole and lumi I don't understand how ejami will cause the show to be cancel..
I stand in agreement with this, I love Ejami and if other couples can survive, so can they. No I don't think Ejami are ratings gold, neither do I think any other couple is. The whole argument is silly,when this show is an ensemble cast. Does not matter who is featured on more, ONE couple does not make or break the show. You're right.....a single couple does not make or break a show. But, a single story can. And stories about a man lusting after the woman who tried to murder him, or a woman lusting after a man who payed another man to rape her constantly while living with her and her small children, or a doctor who tends to sex up the majority of his female patients can.
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Jul 15 2012, 10:10 PM
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- Jul 15 2012, 06:31 PM
Bring on ejami I'm so ready! If they're the reason the show gets cancel so be it. Hopefully I get some wonderful ejami moments before it does :cheer: :cart: If the show can survive boring safe ejole and lumi I don't understand how ejami will cause the show to be cancel..
I stand in agreement with this, I love Ejami and if other couples can survive, so can they. No I don't think Ejami are ratings gold, neither do I think any other couple is. The whole argument is silly,when this show is an ensemble cast. Does not matter who is featured on more, ONE couple does not make or break the show.
You're right.....a single couple does not make or break a show. But, a single story can. And stories about a man lusting after the woman who tried to murder him, or a woman lusting after a man who payed another man to rape her constantly while living with her and her small children, or a doctor who tends to sex up the majority of his female patients can. Those are exactly the kind of stories that soaps have featured for decades. If the writing is good, all of those issues can generally be overcome for the GA.
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Jul 15 2012, 10:10 PM
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What characters or couples are featured isn't what matters. It's the storylines. There is nothing interesting happening. The few story ideas with potential that MarDar did were poorly executed and moved too fast. They focused too much on characters and not on story. Everybody sat and talked about what they did/were going to do while eating. All of the action took place offscreen. Granted that may be budget related and not due to the writers, but viewers want to see the action, not hear about it.
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Jul 15 2012, 10:30 PM
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Oh and on the ratings the demo has hit record lows for three straight weeks.
And they also gained 80,000 viewers last week. While every other soap lost viewers. What caused that? If you're going to use ratings to claim your couple should be on air and couple B is causing the ratings decline it's silly. One couple either way does not make or break the ratings. There's lots of numbers involved and while they are down in one area, they are up in another. The show isn't going to be canceled because of one couple.
Look at the amount of women viewers the lost (in the younger category) it seems the gain was in the audience NBC no longer considers important, I obviously disagree with them but they don't even care about the over 49 crowd and it seems those are the only viewers this shit is attracting or keeping. If you do look at the amount of woman they lost it's nothing compared to the other shows DAYS is against. 5,000 lost for DAYS while 50,000 for B&B.
All networks looks at ALL of this for a holiday week and can spin lots of positives with these numbers, increase of viewers, the fall offs, the differential of ratings between DAYS and the other shows it's competing against. DAYS got a positive last week ratings wise being the only show to build on their audience numbers when normally all show lose during a holiday week and it's not because so and so are together or so and so aren't together. That would just be fanwank trying to manipulate the ratings or focus on the the bad to prove a shippers POV.
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Jul 15 2012, 10:50 PM
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The show hasn't had a solid story since the babyswitch and even that story wasn't that great. Now, there's been some great moments and some good individual episodes, but I can't think of one overall story that has held my interest from start to finish in the last few years. And I think that's a big part of the reason for all the fanbase fights. We can't rally around a great narrative or well-written love story, so we are left clinging to characters and couples that better, more talented writers created years before.
And even as someone who loves my couple, I know that I'm not getting a great story. I'm getting some great scenes and a few good episodes here and there. But yeah, it's not great. None of the stories are and they haven't been for a loooooooong time.
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Jul 16 2012, 12:11 AM
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DAYS got a positive last week ratings wise being the only show to build on their audience numbers when normally all show lose during a holiday week and it's not because so and so are together or so and so aren't together. That would just be fanwank trying to manipulate the ratings or focus on the the bad to prove a shippers POV.
Quoted for the truth.
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Jul 16 2012, 06:45 AM
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- Jul 15 2012, 10:10 PM
What characters or couples are featured isn't what matters. It's the storylines. There is nothing interesting happening. The few story ideas with potential that MarDar did were poorly executed and moved too fast. They focused too much on characters and not on story. Everybody sat and talked about what they did/were going to do while eating. All of the action took place offscreen. Granted that may be budget related and not due to the writers, but viewers want to see the action, not hear about it. This! It doesn't matter who is with who if stories aren't written in a compelling way to motivate fans to want to watch and become invested in the story and characters. Mardar wasn't able to do this.
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Jul 16 2012, 08:53 AM
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Okay, this show has gone to hell in a handbasket. The final straw is Daniel and Nichole. That is sick, amoral, illegal in oh so many ways. I am at the point of just reading the spoilers. Just pull the plug on the show or start over from the beginning and play only episodes starting 45+ years ago.
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Jul 16 2012, 10:30 AM
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- Jul 16 2012, 09:38 AM
A soap opera isn't meant to be realistic, it's a one hour escape into a different world. No kidding! Only in the soap opera world of Salem would there be not only one but two hot, out, college-aged gay men neither of whom date or have sex with anyone. There is absolutely nothing realistic about that.
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Jul 16 2012, 11:03 AM
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We deleted some posts. We are not going to do the rape discussion again in this thread. Thanks.
We'll unlock this in a bit, after everyone has had time to see this.
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Jul 16 2012, 01:52 PM
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This! It doesn't matter who is with who if stories aren't written in a compelling way to motivate fans to want to watch and become invested in the story and characters. Mardar wasn't able to do this. Well said. That's what I've said all along was Mardar's problem. It wasn't really that the writing was so god-awful that it was unwatchable... it was just not exciting. For my ship's sake - John & Marlena had the embezzlement story... and nothing happened. They sat around a set that they have no connection to, that was boring, and didn't DO anything. John & Marlena should be putting the screws to EJ and Stefano to figure it out, or go back to Switzerland to find out... It was actually a pretty short storyline, but it felt like FOREVER because nothing ever happened.
It feels like they pussied out because they didn't want to offend anybody. Which is... weird. They don't mind re-writing stuff that definitely offends me as a viewer, but God forbid they write something that draws on the complexities of the two characters.
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Jul 16 2012, 02:18 PM
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This! It doesn't matter who is with who if stories aren't written in a compelling way to motivate fans to want to watch and become invested in the story and characters. Mardar wasn't able to do this.
Well said. That's what I've said all along was Mardar's problem. It wasn't really that the writing was so god-awful that it was unwatchable... it was just not exciting. For my ship's sake - John & Marlena had the embezzlement story... and nothing happened. They sat around a set that they have no connection to, that was boring, and didn't DO anything. John & Marlena should be putting the screws to EJ and Stefano to figure it out, or go back to Switzerland to find out... It was actually a pretty short storyline, but it felt like FOREVER because nothing ever happened. It feels like they pussied out because they didn't want to offend anybody. Which is... weird. They don't mind re-writing stuff that definitely offends me as a viewer, but God forbid they write something that draws on the complexities of the two characters. John and marlena have been wasted almost as much as Carrie and Austin. It is such a shame.
That said, I do have some hope for the upcoming spoilers regarding the two of them. also ED's return makes their storyline future possibilities a little rosier.
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Jul 16 2012, 04:20 PM
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Damn, I can't believe we haven't had any spoilers other than the National Enquirer ones. Makes me wonder if TPTB are purposefully being stingy with them so people have to tune in the the cliffhanger. Hopefully, soaps.com does their usual Tuesday release.
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Jul 16 2012, 04:36 PM
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- Dee-anne
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The latest ratings are actually better. I don't think that you can really count the ratings anymore though. There are only a few daytime soaps left (is it four now?) and a very limited number of people watching them who already have their favorites. But if we were to count them, and be couple specific, Safe and Ejole were the latest most featured couples in the past four years and they went straight to the bottom. They brought back BD and revived Lumi and still no change. I doubt couples have anything to do with ratings.
LUMI isn't revived, they aren't getting root able writing, still no love scene and I'd even venture into he was only brought back to shut up his fans. This isn't even LUMI, they are watering them down. They've had a few nice moments, some nice dialogue too but nothing like the LUMI I remember. Oh and on the ratings the demo has hit record lows for three straight weeks.
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- Jul 15 2012, 04:54 PM
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Exactly you can't blame Lumi when Sami shares most of her scenes with Ej. It's obvious that MarDar were just using Lumi to prop Ejami.
i don't blame lumi actually. but the point is if couple and characters had the power to shift the rating drastically, the ratings should have hit the roof when BD returned and and lumi reunited. as it is right now, lumi are a couple and they are in love...supposedly. so a few scenes between ejami should not really matter after all ej is just angst for lumi from what i understand. furthermore, nicole being pregnant with the ejole baby and ej professing his love for nicole for the past several weeks should have helped the rating as well. but it did not as far as know. can anyone tell me if the rating went to the roof when ejole were getting back together before the griefsex and safe were happily married? on second thought, we can't even know for sure if it had anything with safe/ejole since that was the time all the vets came back.
They centre the show too much around Sami. That is the problem as well as the terrible writing and lack of imagination on the writers part. Lucas and Nicole has not been shown as much as Sami, Rafe and EJ. The other couples on the show are not shown as much either. It seems like weeks will go by before we see Bradison, not that I mind. The last time I enjoyed most of the show was around the time when we had EJole heavily shown, Brady and EJ disliking each other and being jealous over Nicole, ,when Phillip was still around, Daniel and Chloe relationship was going strong and Melanie was written in a way that I liked her, Melani and Phillip before they got married, Vivian and Victor. All This was around 2008/09 and the ratings were much better then. When the babyswitch was revealed, Nicole went to prison, and we were left with Sami, Rafe EJ dominating the screen time for the length of the sydapping story. We also had Sami not making up her mind between Rafe and EJ. When the Sydapping ended we had Sami, and this time 2 Rafe's, and EJ dominating the screen time. This was around 2010/11 and ratings were down. Nicole was shown but not as frequently as those 3. She had only the odd interactions with EJ. Then they decided to move Nicole back with EJ and they looked as if they were going to write for EJole but instead they brought on Taylor for EJ. So then we had the 2 Rafe's, Sami, EJ and Taylor heavily featured. No other characters got as much screen time. Chloe being a prostitute was another disaster so, understandably the ratings did not improve. When Mardar started writing for EJole again. Nicole was still not on as much as EJ and Sami and Rafe. We saw her like once per week, sometimes every two/three weeks while Sami was in almost every story line and on almost every single day. It did not take them long to put Sami back into the EJole's story even though we were seeing so liitle of them in the first place. So, they had EJ and Sami have griefsex and once again we have EJ, Sami, Rafe and now Will dominating screen time. It is just recently we are seeing a little more of Nicole now they are writing her with Daniel. Even though Sami is suppose to be in a relationship with Lucas, I agree that they show her more with EJ than Lucas. I think the writing for Lucas is very bias. It is obvious the writers have a preference for EJ and I don't think that is fair. In conclusion I blame Sami, Rafe and EJ and the awful writing for the decline of the ratings. Not saying that there have not been some good scenes shown on days, there have been but, non of them that I considered really good involved EJ, Sami and Rafe. I think EJ scenes with Lexi were good but, considering I am suppose to like EJ, I haven't felt too sorry for him for all his loses. Maybe because he seems to have moved on just as quickly as Sami over her marriage to the love of her life. I have often wondered if Stefano is alive and EJ knows it, because if there is one person we were 100% sure that EJ loved, it was Stefano and he certainly did not grieve very long over his death whether or not he was his father. I blame the writing once again. Two Thumbs up.You should send this to the Days comment line.
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