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Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 01:18 PM (10,891 Views)
SocRMum1
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

LucasHortonFan
Jul 12 2012, 03:42 PM
If Lucas wasn't on I wouldn't watch and yes Sami, Lucas also has a right to say who does and does not see Allie, he's her father! Ej can go to hell for all I care unless he gets back with Nicole, remember your pregnant wife Ej? The one who is having your child? Thats the one you need to be concentrating on, not the witch's glittery who ha!
Why should EJ concentrate on Nicole when she's lying through her teeth about the baby's paternity and bumping uglies (and tummys) with Dr. Dan?

Lucas might have more of a leg to stand on in regard to demanding EJ stay away from Allie - if it weren't for the fact that Allie (and Lucas) are living rent free in EJ's building. Demanding he stay away from Sami and Will is just silly.

As for the 'witch's glittery hoo haa' - is it always witchy, or just depending on who is circling at the moment?
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vettejb


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Jul 12 2012, 02:10 PM
Lucas seems like a desparate idiot in this particular episode. It's time for him to wake up and face the facts - Sami and EJ are insepparable. Has he even realized that it is EJ's apartment Sami's inhabitating? Not to mention that EJ's children live there? What gives him the right to stand between EJ and his family? It's a shame they keep tangling Lucas, EJ and Sami together like this. Hopefully they'll give Lucas a story of his own and perhaps bring in a new love interest as well. But so far, they seem determined to keep on having Ejami butt heads with Lucas, Marlena and John.
I have always been neutral on Lucas and Lumi, BUT the stuff they write for him to say is ridiculous. Basically, they are saying he is so desperate to be with Sami that he is literally telling Sami and her other boyfriend that the only way they will stay apart is for him to tell them to. And they make it sound like he is standing there while EJ confirms that he still loves Sami and that there is something going on. I HATE IT WHEN THEY WRITE MEN SO WEAK. I hate it when they write EJ as weak and pathetic and I am not fond of this writing for Lucas. I am only reading DA's these days because I cannot stand to see EJ ruined by being around Sami, so I don't know how it actually played on air, but it reads pretty crappy for Lucas' character. They have already just about ruined EJ for me. Each day the EJ character becomes less of a man in my eyes and for some weird reason he no longer looks as good or sexy to me when he is around the Sami character. Since he was the only reason I have been watching for the last few years, I can see that a world without soaps for me will not be as difficut as I once imagined it would.
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SocRMum1
Jul 12 2012, 03:52 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:42 PM
If Lucas wasn't on I wouldn't watch and yes Sami, Lucas also has a right to say who does and does not see Allie, he's her father! Ej can go to hell for all I care unless he gets back with Nicole, remember your pregnant wife Ej? The one who is having your child? Thats the one you need to be concentrating on, not the witch's glittery who ha!
Why should EJ concentrate on Nicole when she's lying through her teeth about the baby's paternity and bumping uglies (and tummys) with Dr. Dan?

Lucas might have more of a leg to stand on in regard to demanding EJ stay away from Allie - if it weren't for the fact that Allie (and Lucas) are living rent free in EJ's building. Demanding he stay away from Sami and Will is just silly.

As for the 'witch's glittery hoo haa' - is it always witchy, or just depending on who is circling at the moment?
the point of this writing lucas will not leg to stand in regard to ej in order to prop ej and make lucas look like an idiot

and we do not know lucas live even BD still does not it either
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elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.
Lucas overreacting is understandable, IMO, but the character needs a story of his own, not just reacting to EJami 24/7. As for Sami being willing to forgive all that EJ's done to her? She shot him in the head for pete's sake. If EJ can let bygones be bygones, it shouldn't be a problem for her. :P
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They made Lucas sound worse that I event expected, he sounds pathetic and desperate. What a tool and ruined return of BD to do this. He sounds awful barking and laying demands on everyone in an apartment he doesn't live in or own when EJ's kids live there.

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Sami reminds Lucas that this is EJ's place.


Glad someone remembered that. Lucas trying to throw EJ out of his own apartment building is silly. I presume this convo sets up EJ actually firing him.
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vettejb


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Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
These people do not know how to write for the men they pair with Sami. They write them as either desperate and immature (Lucas) or as a p-whipped, domestic abuse victim (EJ). Or in the case of Rafe someone who is too dense to have seen that Sami was mentally unstable until it was too late.
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Jul 12 2012, 03:47 PM

Re: Lucas - I like the character so I don't like him being reduced to an EJ/Ejami foil which is clearly what is happening for him right now. I saw the DA clips and he comes off as insecure and silly which is frustrating to me. If TPTB are smart, they will re-direct him toward working with Jarlena to take down EJ. That would keep him in Sami's orbit, but give him something to do besides shout at Ejami. I like the idea of him working with Jarlena in a battle for DiMera Enterprises. I think it could be a good story for all players involved.

The only issue in all of this is how are the writers going to characterize Sami and Will. It's pretty obvious to me that they are going to end up on #TeamEJ and, as of right now, EJ isn't doing anything very nefarious to get them onto his side. GT may change that since he seems to love EJ as villain and Sami as helpless damsel in distress, but it's not clear that's where the story is going at this time. Hopefully, they keep Sami and Will are the dark/gray side for awhile, rather than having them painting them as victims. I think that would be the more interesting story direction.
I love this, therefore it won't happen. :drunk:
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This story makes Lucas look like an insecure child....the yelling made him look stupid..all the while EJ looks cool and collected..Lucas just yammers and yammers.. Freakin ridiculous!

He kept telling Sami to tell EJ to leave, she never does..That should tell Lucas something right there. I think Lucas is in denial about Sami and EJ..He knows something is there but doesn't want to admit it.

The kiss looked as if Lucas was trying to prove something by marking his territory.. But he doesn't know the territory was already marked.. Sami was just on the verge of kissing EJ, heck may as well say she did, it was so close.

This storyline is doing the character of Lucas no favors at all... And I said right when they brought BD back, sticking him in Sami's orbit will be the kiss of death.. There is nothing else for him other than Sami... that's a shame too. :shame:
Edited by Daytime, Jul 12 2012, 04:06 PM.
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Vettejb, I agree I used to be a huge ejami fan. I just hate what it did to ej's character.
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SocRMum1
Jul 12 2012, 03:52 PM
LucasHortonFan
Jul 12 2012, 03:42 PM
If Lucas wasn't on I wouldn't watch and yes Sami, Lucas also has a right to say who does and does not see Allie, he's her father! Ej can go to hell for all I care unless he gets back with Nicole, remember your pregnant wife Ej? The one who is having your child? Thats the one you need to be concentrating on, not the witch's glittery who ha!
Why should EJ concentrate on Nicole when she's lying through her teeth about the baby's paternity and bumping uglies (and tummys) with Dr. Dan?

Lucas might have more of a leg to stand on in regard to demanding EJ stay away from Allie - if it weren't for the fact that Allie (and Lucas) are living rent free in EJ's building. Demanding he stay away from Sami and Will is just silly.

As for the 'witch's glittery hoo haa' - is it always witchy, or just depending on who is circling at the moment?
You weren't talking to me. BUT IT IS ALWAYS WITCHY
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elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:18 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
I appreciate your saying these things about Lucas/Bryan. I am so upset that Lucas is back in this place too, and that Bryan's return has, other than some great scenes during Will's coming out, pretty much amounted to this. I think it's a travesty too.

I am not pleased with his insecurity and jealousy either. But I know those feelings are there. Probably some pretty justifiable anger, I think. But anyway the reaction makes sense to me too. I hate this pitting. Lucas wasn't necessary of they wanted to go with Ejami. But as long as EJ is around like he is (right next door, Sami's boss, Sami's landlord, basically, etc.), and Sami has conflicted feelings, sigh....why did they have a Lumi reunion under circumstances like these? Annoying to say the least.

Tomorrow's scenes with those three sound awful.
I have always loved Lucas - long before anything else - probably since the day he banged Cherish so many years ago.

I had hoped this return would amount to more and was so thrilled when they announced his return. If given the right material Bryan has proved he can really work magic. I've loved him over the years for so many different reasons and have re-watched scenes before (and I don't do that much).

I know that people have either an affinity for Lumi or they hate them. I've been in both positions. I really loved Lumi at one time because of LUCAS. I loved that he could love a woman he also once hated - and that he could forgive her everything she had done to him. I also loved that underneath everything there was this part of Lucas that was unable to let Sami go - like she had gotten under his skin and he would never get her out.

For me the writing changed but I can still appreciate what used to be.

Right now I cringe when I'm watching him and not because I like EJ with Sami. I cringe because Lucas isn't a fool - he never has been. He might be a fool for Sami but there was so much damn promise when he came back only a few months ago!!! Lucas seemed more mature, had it together, had a new life and wasn't going to easily buckle to his feelings.

But then something changed. And now Lucas is a prop and I just want to weep.

There's so much more to him than just this storyline! I realize that you aren't enjoying the show (I've read many of your posts) and I know that you like Lumi but I think that Lucas needs away from Sami now. I don't know what's going to happen in a few months but I know that right now for me it's bittersweet. I enjoy the EJami scenes but I get so angry with the way Lucas is being portrayed now.

It's painful to watch him practically beg Sami to agree with him in the Day Ahead summary. And the clip isn't much better. He's trying too hard and he just looks...so sad.

I hate the writers right now.

BTW, I meant to tell you before but you are a very open minded and well-spoken poster. :) I always enjoy your musings even though I don't agree with them. I do think we agree on Lucas though.
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We need to start snail mailing days a bunch of balls. Balls for the male characters campaign
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vettejb
Jul 12 2012, 04:03 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
These people do not know how to write for the men they pair with Sami. They write them as either desperate and immature (Lucas) or as a p-whipped, domestic abuse victim (EJ). Or in the case of Rafe someone who is too dense to have seen that Sami was mentally unstable until it was too late.
Yeah, I agree. Being paired with Sami is not good for a character. I don't love any of her pairings at this point. Ali's "acting" doesn't help.
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Daytime
Jul 12 2012, 04:05 PM
This story makes Lucas look like an insecure child....the yelling made him look stupid..all the while EJ looks cool and collected..Lucas just yammers and yammers.. Freakin ridiculous!

He kept telling Sami to tell EJ to leave, she never does..That should tell Lucas something right there. I think Lucas is in denial about Sami and EJ..He knows something is there but doesn't want to admit it.

The kiss looked as if Lucas was trying to prove something by marking his territory.. But he doesn't know the territory was already marked.. Sami was just on the verge of kissing EJ, heck may as well say she did, it was so close.

This storyline is doing the character of Lucas no favors at all... And I said right when they brought BD back, sticking him in Sami's orbit will be the kiss of death.. There is nothing else for him other than Sami... that's a shame too. :shame:
sticking him in Sami's orbit will not be the kiss of death. but sticking him in Sami's orbit while using in order prop and pimp other ville couple while not use him with other people he connected to will be the kiss of death
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Jul 12 2012, 04:01 PM
elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.
Lucas overreacting is understandable, IMO, but the character needs a story of his own, not just reacting to EJami 24/7. As for Sami being willing to forgive all that EJ's done to her? She shot him in the head for pete's sake. If EJ can let bygones be bygones, it shouldn't be a problem for her. :P
I don't disagree Lucas needs a story other than to react to Ejami all the time. Please. The character and actor are so much better than that. So I don't disagree and I don't think I suggested that I wanted Lucas to be doing this 24/7. I couldn't think of a s/l less worth that character's time.

I am not bringing up EJ's past to get in another Sami forgives him so it's ok debate. That's fine. It's fine if Sami forgives him. I wasn't putting Sami's willingness to forgive in question. That has nothing to do with what I meant to say, which is that from the day ahead it sounds like Lucas's claim that EJ is a questionable parent are utterly dismissed, when he has shown he is. He can love his children to the ends of the earth, but he has endangered them too. So for EJ to able to say to Lucas, you are a crap parent b/c you moved to Hong Kong, but for no specifics of what EJ has done to be mentioned....it's just annoying. And seems one-sided. That's all I was saying - that Lucas has some point, but the show doesn't seem interested in saying that.

And I am not saying Lucas is completely right either, just in case people think I mean that. I don't.
Edited by elci525, Jul 12 2012, 04:46 PM.
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vettejb
Jul 12 2012, 04:03 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
These people do not know how to write for the men they pair with Sami. They write them as either desperate and immature (Lucas) or as a p-whipped, domestic abuse victim (EJ). Or in the case of Rafe someone who is too dense to have seen that Sami was mentally unstable until it was too late.
In this era of Sami, those are the only ways they can pair her with a man. She certainly isn't going to get one with her "charms" (she has just stated she is NO prize! LOL) which means her man has to be dumbed down.

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Jul 12 2012, 04:15 PM
vettejb
Jul 12 2012, 04:03 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
These people do not know how to write for the men they pair with Sami. They write them as either desperate and immature (Lucas) or as a p-whipped, domestic abuse victim (EJ). Or in the case of Rafe someone who is too dense to have seen that Sami was mentally unstable until it was too late.
Yeah, I agree. Being paired with Sami is not good for a character. I don't love any of her pairings at this point. Ali's "acting" doesn't help.
Being paired with Sami only brings a character down. I know some complain about the writing for Lucas, but seriously now that Ej is back in the Beast's overrated orbit he's like a pathetic whipped puppy and my goodness he's supposed to be a villain. :shame:

I really wish they'd just give the Beast a good long rest. She's damaging all the characters I used to enjoy. Sigh :(
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Jul 12 2012, 04:11 PM
elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:18 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
I appreciate your saying these things about Lucas/Bryan. I am so upset that Lucas is back in this place too, and that Bryan's return has, other than some great scenes during Will's coming out, pretty much amounted to this. I think it's a travesty too.

I am not pleased with his insecurity and jealousy either. But I know those feelings are there. Probably some pretty justifiable anger, I think. But anyway the reaction makes sense to me too. I hate this pitting. Lucas wasn't necessary of they wanted to go with Ejami. But as long as EJ is around like he is (right next door, Sami's boss, Sami's landlord, basically, etc.), and Sami has conflicted feelings, sigh....why did they have a Lumi reunion under circumstances like these? Annoying to say the least.

Tomorrow's scenes with those three sound awful.
I have always loved Lucas - long before anything else - probably since the day he banged Cherish so many years ago.

I had hoped this return would amount to more and was so thrilled when they announced his return. If given the right material Bryan has proved he can really work magic. I've loved him over the years for so many different reasons and have re-watched scenes before (and I don't do that much).

I know that people have either an affinity for Lumi or they hate them. I've been in both positions. I really loved Lumi at one time because of LUCAS. I loved that he could love a woman he also once hated - and that he could forgive her everything she had done to him. I also loved that underneath everything there was this part of Lucas that was unable to let Sami go - like she had gotten under his skin and he would never get her out.

For me the writing changed but I can still appreciate what used to be.

Right now I cringe when I'm watching him and not because I like EJ with Sami. I cringe because Lucas isn't a fool - he never has been. He might be a fool for Sami but there was so much damn promise when he came back only a few months ago!!! Lucas seemed more mature, had it together, had a new life and wasn't going to easily buckle to his feelings.

But then something changed. And now Lucas is a prop and I just want to weep.

There's so much more to him than just this storyline! I realize that you aren't enjoying the show (I've read many of your posts) and I know that you like Lumi but I think that Lucas needs away from Sami now. I don't know what's going to happen in a few months but I know that right now for me it's bittersweet. I enjoy the EJami scenes but I get so angry with the way Lucas is being portrayed now.

It's painful to watch him practically beg Sami to agree with him in the Day Ahead summary. And the clip isn't much better. He's trying too hard and he just looks...so sad.

I hate the writers right now.

BTW, I meant to tell you before but you are a very open minded and well-spoken poster. :) I always enjoy your musings even though I don't agree with them. I do think we agree on Lucas though.
Ah Lucas banging Cherish........meemmmmmmmmmries......=)

Thank you for all the things you said =) Even if I disagree about Ejami, I like your posts too - and we definitely agree about Lucas.

And I do and still love Lumi for the reasons you mentioned.

The writing was better for him in the beginning, I agree with that - and although the Lumi moments since then, isolated and take on their own, have been wonderful, no I don't want Lucas in Sami's orbit like this if this is what's happening.

I want Lumi to be endgame, to speak in such shippy terms. But it's not happening right now, not gonna happen, and showing Lucas in this mindset is like trying to stuff a square peg into a round hole (not sure if the sexual innuendo there was intended or not ;) ) So I don't want to see it like this, I don't want to see Lucas like this, and I don't want to see a repeat of 2007/8. So that is why the show is especially painful and unwatchable for me right now. It'd be one thing if Ejami got together - I would find it less offensive if Lucas were just not involved in the story, other than as an outside observer, maybe commenting to Sami the way EJ commented to her when she mentioned getting back with Lucas. They need to be apart. Then they will be the ones with the unresolved, unspoken feelings....they would be the ones with the awkward moments, etc. And maybe Sami and Lucas could get angry at each other for things not having to do with EJ, so Lucas's anger wouldn't come off as insecure jealousy, and then they would be the ones to get the angry almost kisses, etc.

So I just want this to stop. Let whatever is in the works just happen, give Lucas another story (he has plenty he could do without Sami), and let's just take it from there. Because this is just heartbreaking.

I am sorry that you have read my posts - there are so many!! And I just repeat myself!!!! Poor thing =)

But again, thanks for this post - I appreciated all of it =)
Edited by elci525, Jul 12 2012, 04:42 PM.
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Jul 12 2012, 04:06 PM
Vettejb, I agree I used to be a huge ejami fan. I just hate what it did to ej's character.
Sad, isn't it? I was a big fan. I kept waiting for them to fix the shooting. And they never did. Then came Rafe 2. Neither of those things screamed "love" to me. They completey obliterated Ejami for me. Now, they are working on doing the same with EJ. James/EJ is the only reason I have given this show my time for the last few years. But I cannot respect a man (fictional or not) who is a punk. I can't even crush on him anymore. And even though I hate Sami with everything in me since she shot him, I cannot in any way understand how she can be lusting after him after he served her up to Rafe 2 because he was "so in love with her and did not know how to express it". Poop. Even her character should have a little bit of self-respect.
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And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.


Whether he cares or not, I don't know. However they're not giving that in the writing when Sami's throwing out lines with EJ caring about Allie too, EJ's got her photo in his apartment and EJ's all about Will.

It gives the impression EJ cares about all the kids and Lucas only cares about what he thinks belongs to him as property. Ordering EJ to fire Will when Will's a grown man making his own work choices? Ordering EJ out of his own apartment he owns? Ordering Sami to stay away from him when she has 2 kids with the man? Ordering EJ to leave and never come back when his kids live there?

Lucas was just out of control, it made him look patheticly bad.
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