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Friday, July 13th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 01:18 PM (10,889 Views)
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AngelOB
Jul 12 2012, 06:22 PM
gailwinters
Jul 12 2012, 02:27 PM
SocRMum1
Jul 12 2012, 01:36 PM
Shouty McShouterson is in da house!

So glad Sami actually stood up for herself and basically told him to shut the hell up. Pity he doesn't listen to her. Not that it's anything new.

Looking forward to EJ's confrontation with the Keystone Kops.

Thanks for posting the write ups, ladies!
I just watched the DA clips, and Shouty McShouterson is definitely alive and well! I wish Bryan had chosen to play these scenes differently ...with a calm and confident demeanor and a touch of sarcasm. Instead, I thought he came across as belligerent. I was looking forward to this confrontation, but it wasn't epic. It was disappointing.

Thanks for the write ups, ladies.
I can't remember for sure, but wasn't BD playing Lucas a lot more restrained when he first came back? I could have sworn that I was impressed with the way he was more low key with some of the material and I was hoping that would continue.
Yup.

Though I think this yelling is a pretty natural reaction, you're right.

I really liked his first three or four scenes upon return.
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elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:18 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
I appreciate your saying these things about Lucas/Bryan. I am so upset that Lucas is back in this place too, and that Bryan's return has, other than some great scenes during Will's coming out, pretty much amounted to this. I think it's a travesty too.

I am not pleased with his insecurity and jealousy either. But I know those feelings are there. Probably some pretty justifiable anger, I think. But anyway the reaction makes sense to me too. I hate this pitting. Lucas wasn't necessary of they wanted to go with Ejami. But as long as EJ is around like he is (right next door, Sami's boss, Sami's landlord, basically, etc.), and Sami has conflicted feelings, sigh....why did they have a Lumi reunion under circumstances like these? Annoying to say the least.

Tomorrow's scenes with those three sound awful.


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.

i have to say it does seem to me like it is a dick measuring competition for lucas. he does not want to lose to ej again. that is the bottom line.

as for the ugly things that ej has done to sami, boo whoo. sami has done shitty things to him too. lumi have done despicable things to each other for decades (cough death row cough). the point is lumi somehow have forgiven each other and have buried the past. if lumi can, so can ejami.

ejami have decided to forgive each and be there for their children as united front. i say good for them. it is about damn time. if lucas does not like, he can go jump off a lake. he knew what he was getting into.
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Jul 12 2012, 03:42 PM
If Lucas wasn't on I wouldn't watch and yes Sami, Lucas also has a right to say who does and does not see Allie, he's her father! Ej can go to hell for all I care unless he gets back with Nicole, remember your pregnant wife Ej? The one who is having your child? Thats the one you need to be concentrating on, not the witch's glittery who ha!


nicole is out of the equation since she is busy fucking daniel and fantasizing about rafe not to mention doing everything she can to to give rafe ej's baby.

lucas may have a say about allie but so does sami. lucas certainly does not have a say in who sami should see or not see. furthermore, lucas has no freaking right to kick ej out of HIS OWN PLACE. ej should have kicked him out on his ass.

i have a lot of repect for ej for the way he handled lucas. i thought he handled the whole thing with class and self control.


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Jul 12 2012, 06:38 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:18 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
I appreciate your saying these things about Lucas/Bryan. I am so upset that Lucas is back in this place too, and that Bryan's return has, other than some great scenes during Will's coming out, pretty much amounted to this. I think it's a travesty too.

I am not pleased with his insecurity and jealousy either. But I know those feelings are there. Probably some pretty justifiable anger, I think. But anyway the reaction makes sense to me too. I hate this pitting. Lucas wasn't necessary of they wanted to go with Ejami. But as long as EJ is around like he is (right next door, Sami's boss, Sami's landlord, basically, etc.), and Sami has conflicted feelings, sigh....why did they have a Lumi reunion under circumstances like these? Annoying to say the least.

Tomorrow's scenes with those three sound awful.


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.

i have to say it does seem to me like it is a dick measuring competition for lucas. he does not want to lose to ej again. that is the bottom line.

as for the ugly things that ej has done to sami, boo whoo. sami has done shitty things to him too. lumi have done despicable things to each other for decades (cough death row cough). the point is lumi somehow have forgiven each other and have buried the past. if lumi can, so can ejami.

ejami have decided to forgive each and be there for their children as united front. i say good for them. it is about damn time. if lucas does not like, he can go jump off a lake. he knew what he was getting into.
Sigh, I shouldn't have said anything. My bringing up EJ's past misdeeds to Sami was not to say look how terrible EJ has been to Sami and isn't he terrible and he is so terrible and boo hoo, as you say. I never boo hooed any of that. I am not a fan of comparing EJaim's crimes and Lumi's crime - interesting arguments never arise from those kinds of list comparing debates and, even if I personally think EJ's are worse, it doesn't really matter. I hardly ever engage in those kinds of arguments. Lucas and Sami have forgiven each other, EJ and Sami have too (as much as I dislike it). fine. all well and good.

that was not my point in posting that. as I have already tried to clarify, my point was to say it's funny and telling to me how EJ gets to say to Lucas you were a crap parent for leaving for Hong Kong, and none of EJ's crimes against Sami/the children are specifically mentioned. That is interesting to me. That EJ is able to mention that tidbit specifically, and nothing he's done is mentioned. Why couldn't Lucas have been allowed to say something concrete. He says Sami has custody, ok....but then that is weak b/c EJ can just come right back and say I gave her custody. But I think there was more to the story than that, and the other is not considered. It's not mentioned. That is interesting to me, that is all I am saying - makes the "confrontation" seem very one-sided, and very deliberate in it's design to paint certain characters certain ways. but guess i am just that blue haired crazy conspiracy theorist i claimed i didnt want to be.

so I am not list comparing. I am well aware of the couples' pasts, and what they have forgiven. not MY point.

And no, Lucas doesn't want to lose Sami to EJ. That's right, and I don't blame him. It happened once despite her loving him; he hasn't forgotten. I haven't either. On that front, I get it.

Sami agreed she wanted to be more than just friends with benefits, that it was more than that and they had already talked about it/established it. She could have taken an out too, but she didn't. And if she had even the smallest inkling of conflicted feelings, she shouldn't have said ok. So I could point to multiple culprits or whatever. But that isn't even the point for me. This writing for Lucas is TERRIBLE. Even if some of these feeling are understandable given history, etc., it sounds like a five year old wrote it. Let's just think of the most jealous and bossy way Lucas can sound, and write THAT, times 10!! People don't like mustache-twirling EJ? By the same token I don't love this Lucas. And that is really the main source of my current misery.

And if you ask me, Sami should be the one to jump into a lake, cool off and then swim her way to a convent or a pasture in India and do some soul searching and figuring out of things.
Edited by elci525, Jul 12 2012, 10:09 PM.
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Jul 12 2012, 05:56 PM
It's nasty pimping. It's who hate ej and ej/Sami. They have to fucking ruin characters to pretend to make them work. Look what they are doing to Lucas and Nicole. It's what they did last when they crazied Nicole and tried to make Lucas an unfit father.

If you have to destroy all of the characters around a so-called coupe to make it viable, guess what? That couple's not viable. It's really that simple. Ej and Sami are not viable. No amount of character pimping and destruction will make it possible.
Yeah, I just disagree. There's no reason Lucas, Nicole or any other character "has" to be destroyed in order for Ejami to get together. They can simply move them into other storylines. It's really not that hard.
Edited by tomsawyer, Jul 12 2012, 07:06 PM.
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Jul 12 2012, 04:05 PM
This story makes Lucas look like an insecure child....the yelling made him look stupid..all the while EJ looks cool and collected..Lucas just yammers and yammers.. Freakin ridiculous!

He kept telling Sami to tell EJ to leave, she never does..That should tell Lucas something right there. I think Lucas is in denial about Sami and EJ..He knows something is there but doesn't want to admit it.

The kiss looked as if Lucas was trying to prove something by marking his territory.. But he doesn't know the territory was already marked.. Sami was just on the verge of kissing EJ, heck may as well say she did, it was so close.

This storyline is doing the character of Lucas no favors at all... And I said right when they brought BD back, sticking him in Sami's orbit will be the kiss of death.. There is nothing else for him other than Sami... that's a shame too. :shame:
The worst part for me is that Lucas was the one spouting truth and honesty to Sami when he returned by saying he was going to have nothing to do with her until she got EJ out of her system.

"When my fiancee calls and tells me she wants me to come home, now you need me, of course you need me now. After you screwed up everything, you screwed up your life, you screwed up your life with Rafe, and your relationship with Will. Why? All because of EJ, because you have unresolved feelings for EJ that you don't recognize."

"Would you stop saying that!"

"It's the truth. You know what, I'm not gonna yell in public. I'm not gonna do this with you anymore. I'm gonna leave, pay the bill, take my phone, and leave with my pride, my self-respect, and my self-esteem."

"Lucas, please don't go."

"I can't do this with you, alright? I can't do this anymore. I am not gonna deal with you until you deal with EJ. And if anything bad happens to you Sami, it's your own damn fault, you only have yourself to blame."

This non-Lucas fan has to ask what the hell happened to that guy cause he kinda rocked.

Back to today's episode, when he walked in on EJ and Sami hugging he should have thrown his hands up in the air and turned right around AFAIC. How many times does Lucas have to sound like a broken record warning EJ against hanging around Sami? If Sami didn't want EJ hanging around, he wouldn't be hanging around. If Sami really wanted to be away from EJ, she and Lucas are both employed and are more than capable of finding new living arrangements.
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Partnersincrime
Jul 12 2012, 04:00 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:52 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:42 PM
If Lucas wasn't on I wouldn't watch and yes Sami, Lucas also has a right to say who does and does not see Allie, he's her father! Ej can go to hell for all I care unless he gets back with Nicole, remember your pregnant wife Ej? The one who is having your child? Thats the one you need to be concentrating on, not the witch's glittery who ha!
Why should EJ concentrate on Nicole when she's lying through her teeth about the baby's paternity and bumping uglies (and tummys) with Dr. Dan?

Lucas might have more of a leg to stand on in regard to demanding EJ stay away from Allie - if it weren't for the fact that Allie (and Lucas) are living rent free in EJ's building. Demanding he stay away from Sami and Will is just silly.

As for the 'witch's glittery hoo haa' - is it always witchy, or just depending on who is circling at the moment?
the point of this writing lucas will not leg to stand in regard to ej in order to prop ej and make lucas look like an idiot

and we do not know lucas live even BD still does not it either


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 04:17 PM
Cerulean
Jul 12 2012, 04:01 PM
elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.
Lucas overreacting is understandable, IMO, but the character needs a story of his own, not just reacting to EJami 24/7. As for Sami being willing to forgive all that EJ's done to her? She shot him in the head for pete's sake. If EJ can let bygones be bygones, it shouldn't be a problem for her. :P
I don't disagree Lucas needs a story other than to react to Ejami all the time. Please. The character and actor are so much better than that. So I don't disagree and I don't think I suggested that I wanted Lucas to be doing this 24/7. I couldn't think of a s/l less worth that character's time.

I am not bringing up EJ's past to get in another Sami forgives him so it's ok debate. That's fine. It's fine if Sami forgives him. I wasn't putting Sami's willingness to forgive in question. That has nothing to do with what I meant to say, which is that from the day ahead it sounds like Lucas's claim that EJ is a questionable parent are utterly dismissed, when he has shown he is. He can love his children to the ends of the earth, but he has endangered them too. So for EJ to able to say to Lucas, you are a crap parent b/c you moved to Hong Kong, but for no specifics of what EJ has done to be mentioned....it's just annoying. And seems one-sided. That's all I was saying - that Lucas has some point, but the show doesn't seem interested in saying that.

And I am not saying Lucas is completely right either, just in case people think I mean that. I don't.


Hopeless_Dreamer
Jul 12 2012, 04:31 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 04:15 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 04:03 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
These people do not know how to write for the men they pair with Sami. They write them as either desperate and immature (Lucas) or as a p-whipped, domestic abuse victim (EJ). Or in the case of Rafe someone who is too dense to have seen that Sami was mentally unstable until it was too late.
Yeah, I agree. Being paired with Sami is not good for a character. I don't love any of her pairings at this point. Ali's "acting" doesn't help.
Being paired with Sami only brings a character down. I know some complain about the writing for Lucas, but seriously now that Ej is back in the Beast's overrated orbit he's like a pathetic whipped puppy and my goodness he's supposed to be a villain. :shame:

I really wish they'd just give the Beast a good long rest. She's damaging all the characters I used to enjoy. Sigh :(


and ej did not look pathetic begging nicole for another chance while she is lying and scheming about his baby, offering the baby to rafe and fucking daniel every second of the day? i thought that was pretty pathetic for a supposed villain.


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Jul 12 2012, 03:52 PM
As for the 'witch's glittery hoo haa' - is it always witchy, or just depending on who is circling at the moment?
Depends on if she's dancing with the devil....
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Honestly I don't need to hear EJ say this shit because when the fuck did that happen? I need to hear Sami spill some beans first.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

Here we again with Luchihuahua strikes again :facepalm:

I love how he makes threats, does he really think that Sam is going to stay away?

Keep dreaming shortie.
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There's protective and there's possessive. While Lucas may have good intentions, he is being possessive of both Sami and Will.
Lucas has been back in Salem for how long and now he comes back and tries to dictate that Sami and Will stay away from EJ :shame:

The good thing is that we're headed for EJAMI and hopefully EJILL will say in tact too!

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Jul 12 2012, 07:19 PM
Honestly I don't need to hear EJ say this shit because when the fuck did that happen? I need to hear Sami spill some beans first.
But it's letting Sami know he no longer loves Nicole.

In 2008, before they made Syd, EJ told Sami that he told Nicole he loved her (Sami). That led to the best 2 days the Ejami fans have ever known.

I think Sami needs to know this before she will be able to admit her feelings to him.

I love/hate it as I wanted her to chase him this time, but I'm not totally ruling that out yet.
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the interesting thing is when the writing is unflattering for ej, it is a great opportunity to bash him and say he is evil. for instance, they sydnapping was a way to destroy ej and ejami once and for all and so was the fake rafe thing. all those stories were intended to ruin the character to make rafe look like the hero and make safe rootable.

sadly, those horrible stories written for the sole purpose of smearing ej and sabotaging ejami in order to prop other characters (unable to stand on their own) are constantly used against ej by viewers even thought at the time ej was the victim of bad writing just like lucas is now. that is the nature of the beast.

yet when it is nicole or lucas that being written horribly. then it IS the writing. fact is it IS always the writing. sometimes it is in favor of certain characters, sometimes it is against them. one can not blame lucas acting like a jackass or nicole slutting around on the writing while blaming the character of ej for his behavior when all the characters are controlled by the writing. no exception.
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Hmmm. Well it's all fair game. Who's saying it's not always the writing? I personally have never said or felt that mustache-twirling villainy EJ wasn't a result or creation of the writing. Even if some of those actions or behaviors made some sense given the character, caricatures are always the result of pretty one-track, single purpose writing. At least I think so. I feel like I've read some say the more over the top villainy things EJ did were caricatured, or regarded by some as an example of the character being trashed by the particular head writer or EP. I was not really posting anywhere at the time, but I suspect there was a fair amount of negative things said about EJ, as well as those defending him or saying this was out of character, etc. I suspect that was the case. So EJ's past actions are used as evidence as his villainy by some, and overlooked by others. Those who want to bash him for it can. Those who disagree with the writing are entitled to that opinion. It's all fair game.

I don't love cartoonish, caricaturey writing for anyone. The way Rafe is being written right now as this smug douchey SPD cop is kind of annoying. Whenever Sami is painted as nothing more than a damsel in distress, that is annoying. When she is painted as fickle and feeble minded, that is also annoying. And so this particular writing for Lucas is annoying, esp. when he had better writing a few months ago.

I am aware that saying that a character's particular writing is crap will come under scrutiny by some, thinking I am using that as an excuse. I AM NOT. Character A can get crappy writing, and still be bashed, and so can Character B, and still be bashed. Those bashing and those hating the writing have equally valid POV's.

It is always the writing, but I don't like this writing. For me, what's happening with Lucas now is definitely disappointing, and even though the character has committed these actions or said these words, I can still be unhappy with the writing. I can still be unhappy with a character being used in a storyline where he wasn't necessary, only to have this happen to him. That is frustrating, as a fan. And that frustration with the writing is valid. If the tables were turned, and EJ were written less than flatteringly to support another storyline or pairing, where he was seen as a means to an end, that might be frustrating for others as well. And the writing might be blamed. And that would also be valid.

Anyone can take this opportunity to bash Lucas. He's not getting special treatment - those who like him feel one way, those who don't like him feel another, and those who are neutral on the character feel another. How is he getting a pass more than any other character some defend and some criticize? It's the same with all characters. Personally, I am unhappy with this writing. I choose to be disappointed with the path the writers chose for this character, I choose to feel it wasn't necessary, and I choose to wish better or different for a favorite of mine.

And tomorrow, when Nicole is painted unflatteringly, or EJ, or Rafe, or Will, or Sonny, or Vic, or Maggie, or Henderson, fans and detractors alike will be allowed the same opportunities to criticize or defend. The same it's the writing, no it's the character back-and-forths can continue, and both sides would be valid.
Edited by elci525, Jul 13 2012, 08:25 AM.
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I was super annoyed by Lucas in these scenes. It doesn't make sense to me that he would settle for being Sami's second choice. I didn't buy it when Nicole settled for being EJ's second choice either. Lucas knows Sami well enough to know that she isn't over EJ. Hell, he TOLD her she wasn't over EJ. Why can't we get that Lucas back? I know he loves Sami, but it's just not believable to me that he doesn't see what is going on between EJ and Sami, and that he can't tell how Sami feels.
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@EJamandBread - I'm going to need you to remove your avi as keep finding myself losing minutes just staring at it. The way EJ goes in for the kiss... sigh...
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Jul 12 2012, 05:08 PM
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Yeah, I agree. Being paired with Sami is not good for a character. I don't love any of her pairings at this point. Ali's "acting" doesn't help.
Being paired with Sami only brings a character down. I know some complain about the writing for Lucas, but seriously now that Ej is back in the Beast's overrated orbit he's like a pathetic whipped puppy and my goodness he's supposed to be a villain. :shame:

I really wish they'd just give the Beast a good long rest. She's damaging all the characters I used to enjoy. Sigh :(
With only 2 females in the 30s age group, I highly doubt that will happen anytime soon. They are more likely to get rid of a male in this group than a woman at this point.
And after tomorrow's show, guess who's it's gonna be?

Hint: the one who was yelling
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Jul 12 2012, 07:05 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:52 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:42 PM
If Lucas wasn't on I wouldn't watch and yes Sami, Lucas also has a right to say who does and does not see Allie, he's her father! Ej can go to hell for all I care unless he gets back with Nicole, remember your pregnant wife Ej? The one who is having your child? Thats the one you need to be concentrating on, not the witch's glittery who ha!
Why should EJ concentrate on Nicole when she's lying through her teeth about the baby's paternity and bumping uglies (and tummys) with Dr. Dan?

Lucas might have more of a leg to stand on in regard to demanding EJ stay away from Allie - if it weren't for the fact that Allie (and Lucas) are living rent free in EJ's building. Demanding he stay away from Sami and Will is just silly.

As for the 'witch's glittery hoo haa' - is it always witchy, or just depending on who is circling at the moment?
the point of this writing lucas will not leg to stand in regard to ej in order to prop ej and make lucas look like an idiot

and we do not know lucas live even BD still does not it either


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 04:17 PM
Cerulean
Jul 12 2012, 04:01 PM
elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.
Lucas overreacting is understandable, IMO, but the character needs a story of his own, not just reacting to EJami 24/7. As for Sami being willing to forgive all that EJ's done to her? She shot him in the head for pete's sake. If EJ can let bygones be bygones, it shouldn't be a problem for her. :P
I don't disagree Lucas needs a story other than to react to Ejami all the time. Please. The character and actor are so much better than that. So I don't disagree and I don't think I suggested that I wanted Lucas to be doing this 24/7. I couldn't think of a s/l less worth that character's time.

I am not bringing up EJ's past to get in another Sami forgives him so it's ok debate. That's fine. It's fine if Sami forgives him. I wasn't putting Sami's willingness to forgive in question. That has nothing to do with what I meant to say, which is that from the day ahead it sounds like Lucas's claim that EJ is a questionable parent are utterly dismissed, when he has shown he is. He can love his children to the ends of the earth, but he has endangered them too. So for EJ to able to say to Lucas, you are a crap parent b/c you moved to Hong Kong, but for no specifics of what EJ has done to be mentioned....it's just annoying. And seems one-sided. That's all I was saying - that Lucas has some point, but the show doesn't seem interested in saying that.

And I am not saying Lucas is completely right either, just in case people think I mean that. I don't.


Hopeless_Dreamer
Jul 12 2012, 04:31 PM
Angie79
Jul 12 2012, 04:15 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 04:03 PM

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Yeah, I agree. Being paired with Sami is not good for a character. I don't love any of her pairings at this point. Ali's "acting" doesn't help.
Being paired with Sami only brings a character down. I know some complain about the writing for Lucas, but seriously now that Ej is back in the Beast's overrated orbit he's like a pathetic whipped puppy and my goodness he's supposed to be a villain. :shame:

I really wish they'd just give the Beast a good long rest. She's damaging all the characters I used to enjoy. Sigh :(


and ej did not look pathetic begging nicole for another chance while she is lying and scheming about his baby, offering the baby to rafe and fucking daniel every second of the day? i thought that was pretty pathetic for a supposed villain.


I don't get the impression Nicole is "offering" or "giving" her baby to Rafe. At this stage I think she fully intends to raise the baby by herself and I don't see her offering up part custody or adoption rights of the said child. I think she is thankful to Rafe for giving her a cover story.

Also as far as I am aware EJ is not aware of whatever it is we are calling the relationship between Nicole and Daniel, so I don't see how it reflects badly on him, its not as though he is persisting whilst he knows she is sleeping/lusting for someone else.

If anything I think EJ is yet to move into villain mode because he is aware of Nicole's history and doesn't want anything to happen to the baby.
At this stage he is still playing for the total package, him, Nicole and the baby and he knows he has to win Nicole over for that one.
Once it becomes obvious that that the total package isn't going to happen and the baby is safely here then he'll ramp up to A game.
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This Lucas can't get off my screen fast enough. What an annoying gnat.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

Ginger
Jul 12 2012, 09:34 PM
This Lucas can't get off my screen fast enough. What an annoying gnat.
I should always put the tv on mute when he is on, only a matter of time before he starts screaming.
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