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Friday, July 13th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 12 2012, 01:18 PM (10,888 Views)
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tomsawyer
Jul 12 2012, 08:46 PM
@EJamandBread - I'm going to need you to remove your avi as keep finding myself losing minutes just staring at it. The way EJ goes in for the kiss... sigh...
Right.

I think there was a post in there somewhere but I missed it.

;)

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tomsawyer
Jul 12 2012, 08:46 PM
@EJamandBread - I'm going to need you to remove your avi as keep finding myself losing minutes just staring at it. The way EJ goes in for the kiss... sigh...
DREAMY.

SWOON.

THUD.
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Lucas's jealousy does make sense. He knows there is something still there but that itself is why it doesnt make sense. HE KNOWS and has known that there is something still there. He got back with her knowing this and it was a very foolish move IMO.
I dont like the way Lucas is acting this round at all. I love Lucas but if I hadnt already liked him, the way he is being written now, would make me not like him. Him marking his territory when EJ left by grabbing Sami and kissing her, was a total turnoff as was him continually telling EJ to stay away from her after Sami said she can make her own decisions about who she is around . She is a grown woman and this time around she is wanting to be around EJ. He isnt forcing his attentions on her.
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I cant with this show anymore....


D A Y S I S D O O M E D ! ! ! !
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AngelOB
Jul 12 2012, 06:27 PM
Helpless Romantic
Jul 12 2012, 02:07 PM
michelle
Jul 12 2012, 01:32 PM
EJ loves Sami.

I KNEW IT!

Thank you Lucas! He wouldn't have almost said it without ya.
The thing is Sami has YET to say it! EJ was never the problem in the EJAMI coupling .... Sami is and was their biggest obstacle. EJ loving Sami is something that is not new. Sami saying she loves him would be but she has still NEVER said it.
I have to agree with you, Sami refusing to admit her love for EJ has been one of the major roadblocks in the EJami storyline up until now. I feel that the writers can't really make this storyline work until that element changes. There can only be so much back and forth between them without any sort of emotional grown on Sami's part.
Guess we will have to see if it does.. what TomSell do is anyones guess at this point but Sami NEVER having said it is what stops the pairing from ever really happening putting aside all of their history .
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michelle
Jul 12 2012, 07:44 PM
mer4santo
Jul 12 2012, 07:19 PM
Honestly I don't need to hear EJ say this shit because when the fuck did that happen? I need to hear Sami spill some beans first.
But it's letting Sami know he no longer loves Nicole.

In 2008, before they made Syd, EJ told Sami that he told Nicole he loved her (Sami). That led to the best 2 days the Ejami fans have ever known.

I think Sami needs to know this before she will be able to admit her feelings to him.

I love/hate it as I wanted her to chase him this time, but I'm not totally ruling that out yet.


Agreed! Has EJ ever really been in love with Nicole? Not from what I've seen. Not compared to Sami or even Taylor.

EJ's been pining for Sami ever since he came to Salem. His proclamations of love toward Sami have always been more passionate with Sami than with Nicole.
I mean, EJ was suicidal when Sami left him the last time. When Nicole left after finding out about the EJAMI affair, EJ didn't chase after her. He stayed to see what would go down between Sami & Rafe. The only reason EJ talks to Nicole now is b/c of the baby.
Not to mention the fact that EJ's chosen Sami over Nicole at least 3 times now.

Both EJ and Sami have been in denial and we've seen their guards gradually come down. I love the renewed friendship and slow build that we've seen for EJAMI. After 6 years of angst, it is time for EJAMI to give in to their feelings for each other!

Sooooo EXCITED for EJAMI!!! :cart:
Edited by Ireland98, Jul 12 2012, 10:37 PM.
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LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 05:43 PM
Lucas made a point to include Ej's kids in the camping thingy he planned, he also made it a point to invite then for family fun night at hits but they had other plans.


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 06:52 PM
rachelgreen
Jul 12 2012, 06:38 PM
elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:18 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 03:02 PM
Lucas' reaction makes more sense to me than most of what I've seen in the last three months.

I always suspend logic when I watch this show, especially so I can enjoy who I enjoy (this goes for anything, really).

But his jealousy and the insecurity - yep - makes sense.

I hate that Lucas is in this place again. It's a travesty and Bryan deserves better than to be a prop in this storyline. Give him a new story! He's leading material to me and should be allowed to show it!

I'm so upset about this.
I appreciate your saying these things about Lucas/Bryan. I am so upset that Lucas is back in this place too, and that Bryan's return has, other than some great scenes during Will's coming out, pretty much amounted to this. I think it's a travesty too.

I am not pleased with his insecurity and jealousy either. But I know those feelings are there. Probably some pretty justifiable anger, I think. But anyway the reaction makes sense to me too. I hate this pitting. Lucas wasn't necessary of they wanted to go with Ejami. But as long as EJ is around like he is (right next door, Sami's boss, Sami's landlord, basically, etc.), and Sami has conflicted feelings, sigh....why did they have a Lumi reunion under circumstances like these? Annoying to say the least.

Tomorrow's scenes with those three sound awful.


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.

i have to say it does seem to me like it is a dick measuring competition for lucas. he does not want to lose to ej again. that is the bottom line.

as for the ugly things that ej has done to sami, boo whoo. sami has done shitty things to him too. lumi have done despicable things to each other for decades (cough death row cough). the point is lumi somehow have forgiven each other and have buried the past. if lumi can, so can ejami.

ejami have decided to forgive each and be there for their children as united front. i say good for them. it is about damn time. if lucas does not like, he can go jump off a lake. he knew what he was getting into.
Sigh, I shouldn't have said anything. My bringing up EJ's past misdeeds to Sami was not to say look how terrible EJ has been to Sami and isn't he terrible and he is so terrible and boo hoo, as you say. I never boo hooed any of that. I am not a fan of comparing EJaim's crimes and Lumi's crime - interesting arguments never arise from those kinds of list comparing debates and, even if I personally think EJ's are worse, it doesn't really matter. I hardly ever engage in those kinds of arguments. Lucas and Sami have forgiven each other, EJ and Sami have too (as much as I dislike it). fine. all well and good.

that was not my point in posting that. as I have already tried to clarify, my point was to say it's funny and telling to me how EJ gets to say to Lucas you were a crap parent for leaving for Hong Kong, and none of EJ's crimes against Sami/the children are specifically mentioned. That is interesting to me. That EJ is able to mention that tidbit specifically, and nothing he's done is mentioned. Why couldn't Lucas have been allowed to say something concrete. He says Sami has custody, ok....but then that is weak b/c EJ can just come right back and say I gave her custody. But I think there was more to the story than that, and the other is not considered. It's not mentioned. That is interesting to me, that is all I am saying - makes the "confrontation" seem very one-sided, and very deliberate in it's design to paint certain characters certain ways. but guess i am just that blue haired crazy conspiracy theorist i claimed i didnt want to be.

so I am not list comparing. I am well aware of the couples' pasts, and what they have forgiven. not MY point.

And no, Lucas doesn't want to lose Sami to EJ. That's right, and I don't blame him. It happened once despite her loving him; he hasn't forgotten. I haven't either. On that front, I get it.

Sami agreed she wanted to be more than just friends with benefits, that it was more than that and they had already talked about it/established it. She could have taken an out too, but she didn't. And if she had even the smallest inkling of conflicted feelings, she shouldn't have said ok. So I could point to multiple culprits or whatever. But that isn't even the point for me. This writing for Lucas is TERRIBLE. Even if some of these feeling are understandable given history, etc., it sounds like a five year old wrote it. Let's just think of the most jealous and bossy way Lucas can sound, and write THAT, times 10!! People don't like mustache-twirling EJ? By the same token I don't love this Lucas. And that is really the main source of my current misery.

And if you ask me, Sami should be the one to jump into a lake, cool off and then swim her way to a convent or a pasture in India and do some soul searching and figuring out of things.


concerned
Jul 12 2012, 09:31 PM
rachelgreen
Jul 12 2012, 07:05 PM
Partnersincrime
Jul 12 2012, 04:00 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:52 PM

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the point of this writing lucas will not leg to stand in regard to ej in order to prop ej and make lucas look like an idiot

and we do not know lucas live even BD still does not it either


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 04:17 PM
Cerulean
Jul 12 2012, 04:01 PM

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I don't disagree Lucas needs a story other than to react to Ejami all the time. Please. The character and actor are so much better than that. So I don't disagree and I don't think I suggested that I wanted Lucas to be doing this 24/7. I couldn't think of a s/l less worth that character's time.

I am not bringing up EJ's past to get in another Sami forgives him so it's ok debate. That's fine. It's fine if Sami forgives him. I wasn't putting Sami's willingness to forgive in question. That has nothing to do with what I meant to say, which is that from the day ahead it sounds like Lucas's claim that EJ is a questionable parent are utterly dismissed, when he has shown he is. He can love his children to the ends of the earth, but he has endangered them too. So for EJ to able to say to Lucas, you are a crap parent b/c you moved to Hong Kong, but for no specifics of what EJ has done to be mentioned....it's just annoying. And seems one-sided. That's all I was saying - that Lucas has some point, but the show doesn't seem interested in saying that.

And I am not saying Lucas is completely right either, just in case people think I mean that. I don't.


Hopeless_Dreamer
Jul 12 2012, 04:31 PM
Angie79
Jul 12 2012, 04:15 PM

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Being paired with Sami only brings a character down. I know some complain about the writing for Lucas, but seriously now that Ej is back in the Beast's overrated orbit he's like a pathetic whipped puppy and my goodness he's supposed to be a villain. :shame:

I really wish they'd just give the Beast a good long rest. She's damaging all the characters I used to enjoy. Sigh :(


and ej did not look pathetic begging nicole for another chance while she is lying and scheming about his baby, offering the baby to rafe and fucking daniel every second of the day? i thought that was pretty pathetic for a supposed villain.


I don't get the impression Nicole is "offering" or "giving" her baby to Rafe. At this stage I think she fully intends to raise the baby by herself and I don't see her offering up part custody or adoption rights of the said child. I think she is thankful to Rafe for giving her a cover story.

Also as far as I am aware EJ is not aware of whatever it is we are calling the relationship between Nicole and Daniel, so I don't see how it reflects badly on him, its not as though he is persisting whilst he knows she is sleeping/lusting for someone else.

If anything I think EJ is yet to move into villain mode because he is aware of Nicole's history and doesn't want anything to happen to the baby.
At this stage he is still playing for the total package, him, Nicole and the baby and he knows he has to win Nicole over for that one.
Once it becomes obvious that that the total package isn't going to happen and the baby is safely here then he'll ramp up to A game.


welll one thing ej knows is that nicole is trying to keep him from his unborn child and plans to name rafe the father. rafe the man who has tried to steal his children before.

it really does not matter whether or not ej knows about about nicole boinking daniel or that she is helping rafe send ej to prison or that she has a thing for rafe of all people. we the audience know those things. as ej's fan, i don't want that bitch making a fool of ej any longer.

Nicole has named rafe as the father of her kid. he will probably be on the birth certificate or the lie will not stand. rafe will likely be a big part of the baby's life if nicole succeed with her scheme. he will be there for all the important moments instead of ej. it is not like nicole can back out now. if she backs out and say the baby is not really rafe's, ej will know the truth.

as far as i can see, ej is moving on and is now focused on sami. he still wants his baby of course, he has accepted the fact that ejole is over. he may say all the right things to nicole out of guilt or whatever, but we know where his heart is and so does nicole.

ej does not have to win over nicole to have his child. he has parental rights whether he is with nicole or not. i know ej wants a family and he wanted to make it work with nicole. but she blew it.

my hope is that once ej has proof that it is his kid, he can go for full custody. with nicole's history and current actions, it should be a walk in the park. i don't usually support those custody battles, but nicole started this and ej needs to finish it.
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Jul 12 2012, 05:56 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 05:43 PM
Lucas made a point to include Ej's kids in the camping thingy he planned, he also made it a point to invite then for family fun night at hits but they had other plans.
It's nasty pimping. It's who hate ej and ej/Sami. They have to fucking ruin characters to pretend to make them work. Look what they are doing to Lucas and Nicole. It's what they did last when they crazied Nicole and tried to make Lucas an unfit father.

If you have to destroy all of the characters around a so-called coupe to make it viable, guess what? That couple's not viable. It's really that simple. Ej and Sami are not viable. No amount of character pimping and destruction will make it possible.
THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sami will never say those three little words not to EJ or any one dumb enough to listen. EJ is just too beneath her but sexy enough to roll around with, just not worth an actual grown up mature relationship. It's been SEVEN BLOODY LONG YEARS!!!

Let it go already!
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MericP
Jul 12 2012, 09:40 PM
tomsawyer
Jul 12 2012, 08:46 PM
@EJamandBread - I'm going to need you to remove your avi as keep finding myself losing minutes just staring at it. The way EJ goes in for the kiss... sigh...
Right.

I think there was a post in there somewhere but I missed it.

;)

:lol:

I can't stop watching it either. And I agree, TomSawyer, the way EJ moves in for that kiss is beyond hot. *insert drooling madly emoticon here*
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rpmaluki
Jul 12 2012, 11:15 PM
Sami will never say those three little words not to EJ or any one dumb enough to listen. EJ is just too beneath her but sexy enough to roll around with, just not worth an actual grown up mature relationship. It's been SEVEN BLOODY LONG YEARS!!!

Let it go already!
It's only been six.
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greeneyedgirl
Jul 12 2012, 02:59 PM
did Ian slip Lucas some of Brady's angry pills because why is he shouting all the time?? Must be Angry Little Man Syndrome"
LMAO too funny
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Jul 12 2012, 11:25 PM
MericP
Jul 12 2012, 09:40 PM
tomsawyer
Jul 12 2012, 08:46 PM
@EJamandBread - I'm going to need you to remove your avi as keep finding myself losing minutes just staring at it. The way EJ goes in for the kiss... sigh...
Right.

I think there was a post in there somewhere but I missed it.

;)

:lol:

I can't stop watching it either. And I agree, TomSawyer, the way EJ moves in for that kiss is beyond hot. *insert drooling madly emoticon here*
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Jul 12 2012, 11:04 PM
LuvingLumi
Jul 12 2012, 05:43 PM
Lucas made a point to include Ej's kids in the camping thingy he planned, he also made it a point to invite then for family fun night at hits but they had other plans.


elci525
Jul 12 2012, 06:52 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 06:38 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 03:18 PM

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elci525
Jul 12 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think it's that it's just a competition to Lucas....he HAS lost Sami to EJ before. The whole fucked up vendetta nonsense and wedding. He has been at this place before. So yeah he's overprotective. Yeah he might be hotheaded about this. And I think he is a little competitive with EJ of all people, sure. But it doesn't take away from his love for Sami. He doesn't just want to be with her so that EJ can't be allowed to have her or be with her. I don't believe that for a second.

And I don't think Lucas doesn't care for Johnny and Sydney too. But this whole confrontation bull-crap seems to be about drawing lines in the sand. Moron writers.

Look, the epi tomorrow sounds terrible for Lucas. He sounds jealous and insecure and overprotective. All those feelings are understandable to me, and they are his lesser qualities (these people are flawed), but it doesn't sound like something I want to watch. I think it's all so ridiculous and insulting. EJ has done terrible things to Sami's children for her not to want him near the kids. Even if EJ gave Sami full custody, it's like they are forgetting about some of the Sydnapping stuff, or his chloroforming her (for a second time, I think) so he could run off with Johnny and Sydney. That's convenient. I realize it happened in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that Lucas doesn't have some point. But none of that gets considered.

It just all sounds like such utter, fucktastic garbage.

i have to say it does seem to me like it is a dick measuring competition for lucas. he does not want to lose to ej again. that is the bottom line.

as for the ugly things that ej has done to sami, boo whoo. sami has done shitty things to him too. lumi have done despicable things to each other for decades (cough death row cough). the point is lumi somehow have forgiven each other and have buried the past. if lumi can, so can ejami.

ejami have decided to forgive each and be there for their children as united front. i say good for them. it is about damn time. if lucas does not like, he can go jump off a lake. he knew what he was getting into.
Sigh, I shouldn't have said anything. My bringing up EJ's past misdeeds to Sami was not to say look how terrible EJ has been to Sami and isn't he terrible and he is so terrible and boo hoo, as you say. I never boo hooed any of that. I am not a fan of comparing EJaim's crimes and Lumi's crime - interesting arguments never arise from those kinds of list comparing debates and, even if I personally think EJ's are worse, it doesn't really matter. I hardly ever engage in those kinds of arguments. Lucas and Sami have forgiven each other, EJ and Sami have too (as much as I dislike it). fine. all well and good.

that was not my point in posting that. as I have already tried to clarify, my point was to say it's funny and telling to me how EJ gets to say to Lucas you were a crap parent for leaving for Hong Kong, and none of EJ's crimes against Sami/the children are specifically mentioned. That is interesting to me. That EJ is able to mention that tidbit specifically, and nothing he's done is mentioned. Why couldn't Lucas have been allowed to say something concrete. He says Sami has custody, ok....but then that is weak b/c EJ can just come right back and say I gave her custody. But I think there was more to the story than that, and the other is not considered. It's not mentioned. That is interesting to me, that is all I am saying - makes the "confrontation" seem very one-sided, and very deliberate in it's design to paint certain characters certain ways. but guess i am just that blue haired crazy conspiracy theorist i claimed i didnt want to be.

so I am not list comparing. I am well aware of the couples' pasts, and what they have forgiven. not MY point.

And no, Lucas doesn't want to lose Sami to EJ. That's right, and I don't blame him. It happened once despite her loving him; he hasn't forgotten. I haven't either. On that front, I get it.

Sami agreed she wanted to be more than just friends with benefits, that it was more than that and they had already talked about it/established it. She could have taken an out too, but she didn't. And if she had even the smallest inkling of conflicted feelings, she shouldn't have said ok. So I could point to multiple culprits or whatever. But that isn't even the point for me. This writing for Lucas is TERRIBLE. Even if some of these feeling are understandable given history, etc., it sounds like a five year old wrote it. Let's just think of the most jealous and bossy way Lucas can sound, and write THAT, times 10!! People don't like mustache-twirling EJ? By the same token I don't love this Lucas. And that is really the main source of my current misery.

And if you ask me, Sami should be the one to jump into a lake, cool off and then swim her way to a convent or a pasture in India and do some soul searching and figuring out of things.


concerned
Jul 12 2012, 09:31 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 07:05 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 04:00 PM

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elci525
Jul 12 2012, 04:17 PM

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Hopeless_Dreamer
Jul 12 2012, 04:31 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbut seriously now that Ej is back in the Beast's overrated orbit he's like a pathetic whipped puppy and my goodness he's supposed to be a villain. :shame:

I really wish they'd just give the Beast a good long rest. She's damaging all the characters I used to enjoy. Sigh :(


and ej did not look pathetic begging nicole for another chance while she is lying and scheming about his baby, offering the baby to rafe and fucking daniel every second of the day? i thought that was pretty pathetic for a supposed villain.


I don't get the impression Nicole is "offering" or "giving" her baby to Rafe. At this stage I think she fully intends to raise the baby by herself and I don't see her offering up part custody or adoption rights of the said child. I think she is thankful to Rafe for giving her a cover story.

Also as far as I am aware EJ is not aware of whatever it is we are calling the relationship between Nicole and Daniel, so I don't see how it reflects badly on him, its not as though he is persisting whilst he knows she is sleeping/lusting for someone else.

If anything I think EJ is yet to move into villain mode because he is aware of Nicole's history and doesn't want anything to happen to the baby.
At this stage he is still playing for the total package, him, Nicole and the baby and he knows he has to win Nicole over for that one.
Once it becomes obvious that that the total package isn't going to happen and the baby is safely here then he'll ramp up to A game.


welll one thing ej knows is that nicole is trying to keep him from his unborn child and plans to name rafe the father. rafe the man who has tried to steal his children before.

it really does not matter whether or not ej knows about about nicole boinking daniel or that she is helping rafe send ej to prison or that she has a thing for rafe of all people. we the audience know those things. as ej's fan, i don't want that bitch making a fool of ej any longer.

Nicole has named rafe as the father of her kid. he will probably be on the birth certificate or the lie will not stand. rafe will likely be a big part of the baby's life if nicole succeed with her scheme. he will be there for all the important moments instead of ej. it is not like nicole can back out now. if she backs out and say the baby is not really rafe's, ej will know the truth.

as far as i can see, ej is moving on and is now focused on sami. he still wants his baby of course, he has accepted the fact that ejole is over. he may say all the right things to nicole out of guilt or whatever, but we know where his heart is and so does nicole.

ej does not have to win over nicole to have his child. he has parental rights whether he is with nicole or not. i know ej wants a family and he wanted to make it work with nicole. but she blew it.

my hope is that once ej has proof that it is his kid, he can go for full custody. with nicole's history and current actions, it should be a walk in the park. i don't usually support those custody battles, but nicole started this and ej needs to finish it.
hmmmm ... ok well we'll see how that pans out.

as a member of the audience I'm not convinced "she has a thing for Rafe"... using Rafe to further her own needs would be more likely.

Given that she's already moved onto Daniel I can't see her setting up house with Rafe as "a big part of the baby's life".

And I must have missed the episode where Ej "accepted the fact that ejole is over".... 6/28/12 he seemed more than willing to give it another go all that was needed was Nicole to be willing to walk down that path with him.





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Two weeks left of this writing then 'reset'! Tomlin has more grasp on the characters on screen, if they are going to be written in charcter, what happen between now and the Olympics is more than likely to change. we have had several actors allude this on separate occasions, what ever mardar planned will be discarded and only s/ls more in tune with TomSell will survive beyond the break. This cliffhanger will make so many characters realise life is too short to waste and the 30s age bracket needs this epiphany so desperately. The audience want charcters they recognise, that's why they tune in. When Lucas/EJ/Nicole/Sami/Rafe/Brady/Carrie/Austin and even Philip/Chloe/Stephanie, among others, act outside of their character's perimetres without any build up to speak of the audience doesn't invest and therefore viewers drop like flies.
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rpmaluki
Jul 13 2012, 01:13 AM
Two weeks left of this writing then 'reset'! Tomlin has more grasp on the characters on screen, if they are going to be written in charcter, what happen between now and the Olympics is more than likely to change. we have had several actors allude this on separate occasions, what ever mardar planned will be discarded and only s/ls more in tune with TomSell will survive beyond the break. This cliffhanger will make so many characters realise life is too short to waste and the 30s age bracket needs this epiphany so desperately. The audience want charcters they recognise, that's why they tune in. When Lucas/EJ/Nicole/Sami/Rafe/Brady/Carrie/Austin and even Philip/Chloe/Stephanie, among others, act outside of their character's perimetres without any build up to speak of the audience doesn't invest and therefore viewers drop like flies.
IMO, most of the characters are being written well within their wheelhouse right now. Nicole has a long history of behaving exactly like she is right now with Daniel. Lucas has many years of shouting to get his point across, as opposed to the one month of more maturity that he displayed when he first returned, and once again, he's stuck in a tussle with EJ. Sami has been drawn to EJ since he came on the show. EJ has spent much more time being drawn to Sami than being "in love" with someone else. Rafe has regained the sanctimonious smug attitude that he lost for a couple of months. Brady hasn't been on enough to have a real story, but he seems completely in character to me. Carrie and Austi are completely in character: Carrie was always subject to falling for another guy, and Austin was always subject to being played for a fool.



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Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.
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Jul 13 2012, 08:08 AM
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Two weeks left of this writing then 'reset'! Tomlin has more grasp on the characters on screen, if they are going to be written in charcter, what happen between now and the Olympics is more than likely to change. we have had several actors allude this on separate occasions, what ever mardar planned will be discarded and only s/ls more in tune with TomSell will survive beyond the break. This cliffhanger will make so many characters realise life is too short to waste and the 30s age bracket needs this epiphany so desperately. The audience want charcters they recognise, that's why they tune in. When Lucas/EJ/Nicole/Sami/Rafe/Brady/Carrie/Austin and even Philip/Chloe/Stephanie, among others, act outside of their character's perimetres without any build up to speak of the audience doesn't invest and therefore viewers drop like flies.
IMO, most of the characters are being written well within their wheelhouse right now. Nicole has a long history of behaving exactly like she is right now with Daniel. Lucas has many years of shouting to get his point across, as opposed to the one month of more maturity that he displayed when he first returned, and once again, he's stuck in a tussle with EJ. Sami has been drawn to EJ since he came on the show. EJ has spent much more time being drawn to Sami than being "in love" with someone else. Rafe has regained the sanctimonious smug attitude that he lost for a couple of months. Brady hasn't been on enough to have a real story, but he seems completely in character to me. Carrie and Austi are completely in character: Carrie was always subject to falling for another guy, and Austin was always subject to being played for a fool.



Exactly. What is unbelievable, and out of character, was Sami pretending to be one of the good guys for the past few years. Where was my selfish schemer? Nicole, my fierce woman, happily settling into the role of domestic bliss with a man she knows will always love her sworn enemy? Please. That Nicole sucked. Now. If these new writers would let Lucas go back to his scheming roots, then all would be well. :)
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Jul 13 2012, 08:37 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 08:08 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 01:13 AM
Two weeks left of this writing then 'reset'! Tomlin has more grasp on the characters on screen.
IMO, most of the characters are being written well within their wheelhouse right now. Nicole has a long history of behaving exactly like she is right now with Daniel. Lucas has many years of shouting to get his point across, as opposed to the one month of more maturity that he displayed when he first returned, and once again, he's stuck in a tussle with EJ. Sami has been drawn to EJ since he came on the show. EJ has spent much more time being drawn to Sami than being "in love" with someone else. Rafe has regained the sanctimonious smug attitude that he lost for a couple of months. Brady hasn't been on enough to have a real story, but he seems completely in character to me. Carrie and Austi are completely in character: Carrie was always subject to falling for another guy, and Austin was always subject to being played for a fool.
Exactly. What is unbelievable, and out of character, was Sami pretending to be one of the good guys for the past few years. Where was my selfish schemer? Nicole, my fierce woman, happily settling into the role of domestic bliss with a man she knows will always love her sworn enemy? Please. That Nicole sucked. Now. If these new writers would let Lucas go back to his scheming roots, then all would be well. :)
Characters have been all over the map for awhile now, so I have a hard time unequivocally stating what IS and IS NOT in character. However, I know GT's characterizations are some of the worst. Caroline a paternity test switcher? Sami a helpless victim? Stefano a doting "nono"? Nicole a baby-obsessed mommy? EJ a doofus who can't see his wife's not pregnant? Really? That is "in character" writing? MarDar sucks at certain things (namely pacing and drama), but they do seem to understand the core of most of their characters.
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Jul 13 2012, 08:31 AM
Now I know why Lucas was brought back, to tell us that EJ and Sami have feelings for each other. Same shit for YEARS. EJs not IN love with Sami...Sami is not IN love with EJ. Chalk this round of EJ and Sami as unforgettable...like all the other years. What a waste of screen time.

Next week he'll be in love with Nicole.
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